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[EU]ropean democracies thread

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  • UrsusUrsus Registered User regular
    Echo wrote: »
    • V (left party): "We think it would be nice if pensioners don't have to eat cat food."
    • SD: "We're literally founded by Nazis."
    • C: "These parties are the same, also we'll vote for SD's budget, and V are extremists and we demand they never have any power."

    I seriously want C to just... go the hell away. They're chaos agents, just doing random shit and constantly siding with the right, despite claiming that they're oh so centered.

    That's what centrists do though: they always side with the far right over the left all the while decrying how they oppose extremism. C isn't the first ones to do this, won't be the last.

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  • FiendishrabbitFiendishrabbit Registered User regular
    There are so many parties in the government that I just wish they would go away.

    I wish L would go away, because while they're party is named the Liberals they're becoming more neoliberal with every year that passes. I want them and their conservative batongliberalism (lit: Nightstick-liberalism) gone.
    I wish C would go away, because after they've spent years going "We'll never cooperate with SD" they cooperate with SD.
    I wish SD would go away, because they're fucking cryptonazis in a party founded by nazis pretending to not be nazis.
    I wish S would go away because they've spent so long desperately clinging to power that forgotten what it means to be a socialdemocrat. They have no vision of what the future should be, except that they want it to be one where S is in power.

    On a sidenote. I want to thank Belgium. If it wasn't for the madhouse that Belgian politics used to be (and perhaps still is) I would be in despair right now. But Belgium has proven that no matter how fucked up and indecisive your parliament is (and with no government for like 600 days) the nation will go on..

    "The western world sips from a poisonous cocktail: Polarisation, populism, protectionism and post-truth"
    -Antje Jackelén, Archbishop of the Church of Sweden
  • AldoAldo Hippo Hooray Registered User regular
    Belgium went on fine because only the federal government could not be formed. The states still had stable coalitions.

    Here in the Netherlands we don't have a government for over half a year now and it is an utter shitshow and I worry 24/7 about the future of our democracy, health and safety.

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  • AbsalonAbsalon Registered User regular
    edited November 25
    The dumbest part of all of this is that the changes in the right-wing budget alternative are pretty uncontroversial and low-priority all things considered and only a few percent of the total sum are affected.

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  • SanderJKSanderJK Crocodylus Pontifex Sinterklasicus Madrid, 3000 ADRegistered User regular
    That's the same behavior that sunk the CDA and VVD in NL for me. In 2010 they had a choice between negotiations with labor, or the racist Geert Wilders. They chose the latter because 'the gaps towards the left are too big'

    Being nice to people = inconceivable
    Being racist = negotiable

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  • FiendishrabbitFiendishrabbit Registered User regular
    Absalon wrote: »
    The dumbest part of all of this is that the changes in the right-wing budget alternative are pretty uncontroversial and low-priority all things considered and only a few percent of the total sum are affected.

    A few percent of the total budget, but 25% of non-obligatory spending.

    "The western world sips from a poisonous cocktail: Polarisation, populism, protectionism and post-truth"
    -Antje Jackelén, Archbishop of the Church of Sweden
  • CornucopiistCornucopiist Registered User regular
    edited November 25
    SanderJK wrote: »
    That's the same behavior that sunk the CDA and VVD in NL for me. In 2010 they had a choice between negotiations with labor, or the racist Geert Wilders. They chose the latter because 'the gaps towards the left are too big'

    Being nice to people = inconceivable
    Being racist = negotiable

    Wasn't it really about taxation? Taxation is what makes up most of the divide between the liberals and the left here in Belgium. There's never-ending agitprop about 'tax governments'. Which is funny because since 1966 Belgium has had only two socialist ministers of finance.
    Whereas the real cost to the Belgian taxpayer is that they have to make up all of the tax-dodging enabled by the non-socialist ministers of finance, in particular one I can't name because he's now in a high position in the supranational organization I'm a consultant at. But he's behind the ruling that allowed Belgium to not tax French fossil fuel imported from Caribbean island nations into the port of Antwerps. Before you go look at google maps, none of that fuel ever came close to the Carribean, this was purely a tax evasion thing.

    Edit: and the 'moderate' right has embraced identitarian (fascist) propaganda as a way to fight the left, but really it's completely hollowed them out and reinforced the Flemish far-right. They should have stuck with taxes as a rallying cry.

    Cornucopiist on
  • SanderJKSanderJK Crocodylus Pontifex Sinterklasicus Madrid, 3000 ADRegistered User regular
    SanderJK wrote: »
    That's the same behavior that sunk the CDA and VVD in NL for me. In 2010 they had a choice between negotiations with labor, or the racist Geert Wilders. They chose the latter because 'the gaps towards the left are too big'

    Being nice to people = inconceivable
    Being racist = negotiable

    Wasn't it really about taxation? Taxation is what makes up most of the divide between the liberals and the left here in Belgium. There's never-ending agitprop about 'tax governments'. Which is funny because since 1966 Belgium has had only two socialist ministers of finance.
    Whereas the real cost to the Belgian taxpayer is that they have to make up all of the tax-dodging enabled by the non-socialist ministers of finance, in particular one I can't name because he's now in a high position in the supranational organization I'm a consultant at. But he's behind the ruling that allowed Belgium to not tax French fossil fuel imported from Caribbean island nations into the port of Antwerps. Before you go look at google maps, none of that fuel ever came close to the Carribean, this was purely a tax evasion thing.

    Edit: and the 'moderate' right has embraced identitarian (fascist) propaganda as a way to fight the left, but really it's completely hollowed them out and reinforced the Flemish far-right. They should have stuck with taxes as a rallying cry.

    If they had made a centrist government, they wouldn't have been able to cut as hard on welfare. The short-lived Rutte I cabinet laid the foundation for a lot of problems that still exist today. 10 years late, and on the eve of Rutte IV. They set in motion a 18B (~10% of total) budget cut that was intensified during the euro-debt crisis.

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