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Man, PA messes up their web site A LOT. Especially in the news posts. You've got links to the wrong comic, broken comic links, unclosed HTML tags, switching the comic and the thumbnail... It's like whoever does the coding doesn't even check their work before hitting Publish.
I know this is a posting mistake, but I actually kind of love it. Seriously made me laugh. The choice to have an entire comic just be a close up of a bewildered face juxtaposed by the title text is the kind of avant-garde thing I can imagine Jerry pushing for.
You know, I hear the complaints about how the last few seasons have taken a lot of narrative, logistical, and straight up implausibly convenient shortcuts to just keep the damned story moving.
On the other hand, George RR Martin wrote himself into such an intractable narrative knot, he threw his hands up and walked away to do other projects.
I don't remember who said it or where (it might have been here on PA) and I make no claim to the originality of this statement, but I definitely think it feels true:
The first 5-6 seasons of Game of Thrones feel like they were based off of books and were adaptations of an existing story. By contrast, the last few seasons of GoT feel like they were written off of a bullet point list of high-level plot beats and there's almost no story there at all. It just moves from beat to beat with no transition at all.
Which is probably exactly correct, since Weis and Benioff sat down with GRRM and had him give them exactly that, a high-level bullet point list of where he intended to take the story.
The story as I heard it was that George RR Martin quizzed Weis and Benioff about Jon Snows parentage to see if they were up to the challenge of doing the show justice.
I'm wondering if Martin is wishing he asked a harder question.
I don't remember who said it or where (it might have been here on PA) and I make no claim to the originality of this statement, but I definitely think it feels true:
The first 5-6 seasons of Game of Thrones feel like they were based off of books and were adaptations of an existing story. By contrast, the last few seasons of GoT feel like they were written off of a bullet point list of high-level plot beats and there's almost no story there at all. It just moves from beat to beat with no transition at all.
Which is probably exactly correct, since Weis and Benioff sat down with GRRM and had him give them exactly that, a high-level bullet point list of where he intended to take the story.
It is an unfortunate predicament for those of us who have read the books but really aren't interested in the tv show. I can honestly say I don't care THAT much about GoT's story being spoiled for me, and I assume that the remaining two books won't follow the narrative of the tv show perfectly, but I'm betting many of the high points will be identical in both formats. When that one major character comes back from seeming death? Or when that one major character kills that other major character? Something like that will probably happen in the books too.
So, yeah, I do already potentially know some fairly major spoilers for the remaining two books. But what can you do? I wouldn't want GRRM to rush the rest of the books out just to stay ahead of the tv show. I guess the silver lining is this: By the time he finishes the last book, the tv show will probably be 20 years in the past and I'll have forgotten some of what I know.
"It's just as I've always said. We are being digested by an amoral universe."
I guess the silver lining is this: By the time he finishes the last book, the tv show will probably be 20 years in the past and I'll have forgotten some of what I know.
It's amazing how this one series is considered something that everyone knows, loves, and watches. Inescapable, just like advertisements. High fantasy as a setting is so played out and boring by exposition that I cannot even take anything based in that setting seriously or with any interest (Yeah, that includes Lord of the Rings too Tolkien fans, fight me). How are people not utterly bored to tears the second they reveal this is the backdrop for whatever story is told? I wouldn't mind an accurate middle ages portrayal, if they could do anything besides glamorize it like an old spaghetti western.
It's amazing how this one series is considered something that everyone knows, loves, and watches. Inescapable, just like advertisements. High fantasy as a setting is so played out and boring by exposition that I cannot even take anything based in that setting seriously or with any interest (Yeah, that includes Lord of the Rings too Tolkien fans, fight me). How are people not utterly bored to tears the second they reveal this is the backdrop for whatever story is told? I wouldn't mind an accurate middle ages portrayal, if they could do anything besides glamorize it like an old spaghetti western.
People like different things?
Also, GoT is decidedly not like Tolkien. In the books, anyway, there's only a handful of fantastic elements, and they're portrayed as being frightening if not abhorrent. Most of the series is about people trying to fuck other people over, or trying to survive after getting fucked over.
I just noticed the little "And Amy" addition to the credits on this one. That's cool.
For those who weren't watching the stream, Mike made her take the wheel for a bit while he was eating. Also, they dropped a major Game of Thrones spoiler on her. "Accidentally."
I, for instance, would much rather have a story based on the myths and archetypes that have inspired people for literal millennia than a setting which tries to be new just for novelty's sake. I find myself rolling my metaphorical eyes at settings which feel the need to call what are clearly elves "Zorestrians" and give them cat ears just so they can brag that there are no elves in their story. But people like different things and I don't begrudge them those settings, though I get a bit tired if a setting seems to think that not having elves is some sort of accomplishment.
I read the first GoT book when it came out in 1998, and I was spoiling the first season before I knew there was a TV series in the works.
It broke my own high fantasy malaise by being unpredictable, and the first 3-4 books came out at a steady pace. And then GRRM took like 7 years to write the next book that was release around the first season, and we find out he's apparently spent the bulk of that time inking merchandising deals.
I'll read whatever he puts out, but G "Dirty Santa" RRM has not treated his oldest fans well at all. It's major strike against him as an artist, though clearly he is an astute businessman.
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Shaw's Principle: Build a system even a fool can use, and only a fool would want to use it.
Honestly, I wouldn't mind if Martin never puts out a book again and just enjoyed his money. As someone who stopped watching the show when it parted ways with the books and has been waiting for next novel I wouldn't be happy, but could accept it.
What really drives me up the wall is that Martin is writing other books instead. I appreciate backstory, some of my favourite things in Game of Thrones are the little bits of backstory, like Barristan's exploits when he was younger, the recollections of the Smiling Knight and the fact Valyria just got hit with the Doom. It never mentions what happened there other than some volcanic activity, just that it's a smoking ruin that got Doomed so hard the water around the entire peninsula just boils.
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Only thing missing was a hidden Pat Rothfuss :P
On the other hand, George RR Martin wrote himself into such an intractable narrative knot, he threw his hands up and walked away to do other projects.
So you know, who's really to blame here?
The first 5-6 seasons of Game of Thrones feel like they were based off of books and were adaptations of an existing story. By contrast, the last few seasons of GoT feel like they were written off of a bullet point list of high-level plot beats and there's almost no story there at all. It just moves from beat to beat with no transition at all.
Which is probably exactly correct, since Weis and Benioff sat down with GRRM and had him give them exactly that, a high-level bullet point list of where he intended to take the story.
I'm wondering if Martin is wishing he asked a harder question.
It is an unfortunate predicament for those of us who have read the books but really aren't interested in the tv show. I can honestly say I don't care THAT much about GoT's story being spoiled for me, and I assume that the remaining two books won't follow the narrative of the tv show perfectly, but I'm betting many of the high points will be identical in both formats. When that one major character comes back from seeming death? Or when that one major character kills that other major character? Something like that will probably happen in the books too.
So, yeah, I do already potentially know some fairly major spoilers for the remaining two books. But what can you do? I wouldn't want GRRM to rush the rest of the books out just to stay ahead of the tv show. I guess the silver lining is this: By the time he finishes the last book, the tv show will probably be 20 years in the past and I'll have forgotten some of what I know.
-Tycho Brahe
20 years? Reboot time.
People like different things?
Also, GoT is decidedly not like Tolkien. In the books, anyway, there's only a handful of fantastic elements, and they're portrayed as being frightening if not abhorrent. Most of the series is about people trying to fuck other people over, or trying to survive after getting fucked over.
For those who weren't watching the stream, Mike made her take the wheel for a bit while he was eating. Also, they dropped a major Game of Thrones spoiler on her. "Accidentally."
So glad you said it this time. I get so tired of having to say that.
It broke my own high fantasy malaise by being unpredictable, and the first 3-4 books came out at a steady pace. And then GRRM took like 7 years to write the next book that was release around the first season, and we find out he's apparently spent the bulk of that time inking merchandising deals.
I'll read whatever he puts out, but G "Dirty Santa" RRM has not treated his oldest fans well at all. It's major strike against him as an artist, though clearly he is an astute businessman.
Honestly, I wouldn't mind if Martin never puts out a book again and just enjoyed his money. As someone who stopped watching the show when it parted ways with the books and has been waiting for next novel I wouldn't be happy, but could accept it.
What really drives me up the wall is that Martin is writing other books instead. I appreciate backstory, some of my favourite things in Game of Thrones are the little bits of backstory, like Barristan's exploits when he was younger, the recollections of the Smiling Knight and the fact Valyria just got hit with the Doom. It never mentions what happened there other than some volcanic activity, just that it's a smoking ruin that got Doomed so hard the water around the entire peninsula just boils.
But George, buddy, finish the books please.