You will one day.
It's like hearing about how Switch cartridges are specially made to taste foul. It's like, why would you even try to taste them? How bad can it possibly be?
Oh.
Except Voyager isn't that bad, it's mostly the pain of missed opportunities.
Then you figure that since that wasn't nearly as bad as you'd been led to believe, you may as well try Enterprise...
Nobody remembers the singer. The song remains.
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IMO, every single episode of every single Star Trek series up to and including STD is worth watching. You may not like all of it and it may not all be very good, but it's still worth watching.
IMO, every single episode of every single Star Trek series up to and including STD is worth watching. You may not like all of it and it may not all be very good, but it's still worth watching.
I want to agree with you so bad, but
Spock's Brain, Code of Honor, Profit and Lace, Threshold, A Night in Sickbay
No.
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What was the Enterprise episode that completely bungled the idea of religious radicalism in a really offensive way? I remember it being during the start of the Xindi season, and it basically boiled the schism down to something stupid like the color of clothing or facial markings or whatever. Which was really quite a take not so long after 9-11.
I hold that you have to take the good with the bad. But that's just me. I like the Discovery characters, but I can't stand Discovery's premise, at all. Especially after they ripped off the idea from that guy's tartigrades game. I'm cautiously optimistic about Picard and it will be good to see the old characters again, but I'm still worried the show is going to be a shitshow. ...still going to watch it though.
IMO, every single episode of every single Star Trek series up to and including STD is worth watching. You may not like all of it and it may not all be very good, but it's still worth watching.
I want to agree with you so bad, but
Spock's Brain, Code of Honor, Profit and Lace, Threshold, A Night in Sickbay
No.
Even the most problematic episodes are still worth watching. They are a microcosm of popular culture of their era. You shouldn't ignore something just because it makes you uncomfortable. The fact that one of the most progressive TV shows to ever hit airwaves still has identifiable areas for improvement means we've come a long ways and have generally improved as a society. Even with all the regressive elements holding us back we're still making progress.
What was the Enterprise episode that completely bungled the idea of religious radicalism in a really offensive way? I remember it being during the start of the Xindi season, and it basically boiled the schism down to something stupid like the color of clothing or facial markings or whatever. Which was really quite a take not so long after 9-11.
To be fair, Babylon 5 did something similar with the whole "green/purple" thing. A lot of SF does.
Mostly because to nerds*, a lot of -ism just looks stupid, over stupid petty little things, and tends to get portrayed/ridiculed as such. "This? This is what you're fighting about?"
And then, of course, we proceed to get passionately involved in our own arguments over the stupidest and pettiest things... but that's totally different, really.
Yeah, I don't judge people based on their religion or skin colour, but how they rank the Star Wars movies.
What do you mean, you thought Solo was okay? You heretic.
Yeah, I don't judge people based on their religion or skin colour, but how they rank the Star Wars movies.
What do you mean, you thought Solo was okay? You heretic.
I will defend Solo to my dying breath. It wasn't a perfect movie by any stretch of the imagination but it was perfectly serviceable. It was a good film and Ecart did a good job as Han Solo. I only wish it didn't come so hot on the heels of such a controversial (though I would argue still great) film as The Last Jedi. If they'd swapped Solo and Rogue One in the spinoff lineup, I think it would have gone over a lot better. Even with Han dying in EP7.
IMO, every single episode of every single Star Trek series up to and including STD is worth watching. You may not like all of it and it may not all be very good, but it's still worth watching.
I want to agree with you so bad, but
Spock's Brain, Code of Honor, Profit and Lace, Threshold, A Night in Sickbay
No.
Even the most problematic episodes are still worth watching. They are a microcosm of popular culture of their era. You shouldn't ignore something just because it makes you uncomfortable. The fact that one of the most progressive TV shows to ever hit airwaves still has identifiable areas for improvement means we've come a long ways and have generally improved as a society. Even with all the regressive elements holding us back we're still making progress.
True for the likes of "Code of Honor", I guess; but my urge to not watch "Spock's Brain" or "Threshold" (again) isn't because they're problematic, but because they're dumb and bad.
IMO, every single episode of every single Star Trek series up to and including STD is worth watching. You may not like all of it and it may not all be very good, but it's still worth watching.
I want to agree with you so bad, but
Spock's Brain, Code of Honor, Profit and Lace, Threshold, A Night in Sickbay
No.
Even the most problematic episodes are still worth watching. They are a microcosm of popular culture of their era. You shouldn't ignore something just because it makes you uncomfortable. The fact that one of the most progressive TV shows to ever hit airwaves still has identifiable areas for improvement means we've come a long ways and have generally improved as a society. Even with all the regressive elements holding us back we're still making progress.
IMO, every single episode of every single Star Trek series up to and including STD is worth watching. You may not like all of it and it may not all be very good, but it's still worth watching.
I want to agree with you so bad, but
Spock's Brain, Code of Honor, Profit and Lace, Threshold, A Night in Sickbay
No.
Even the most problematic episodes are still worth watching. They are a microcosm of popular culture of their era. You shouldn't ignore something just because it makes you uncomfortable. The fact that one of the most progressive TV shows to ever hit airwaves still has identifiable areas for improvement means we've come a long ways and have generally improved as a society. Even with all the regressive elements holding us back we're still making progress.
Let He Who is without Sin...
/checkmate
Well, I'm not prepared to tell you who I've decided Keith Richards is playing in Picard just yet.
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ENT's "These Are the Voyages..." is hands down the worst star trek episode period...worse than Threshold...fight me. Or at the very least, the worst finale.
I prefer to think of the Riker sections as him having a particularly bad trip off whatever they smoke on Risa.
One of the most stressful moments of his life paired with what had to be a particularly mind-numbing section of history class. I imagine he woke up screaming loud enough that Worf grabbed his bat'leth.
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Regarding transport credits, I'd assume it's more of an academy thing to keep cadets from going home every second like Sisko insinuates.
Essentially like a day pass for an active duty US military cadet.
What was the Enterprise episode that completely bungled the idea of religious radicalism in a really offensive way? I remember it being during the start of the Xindi season, and it basically boiled the schism down to something stupid like the color of clothing or facial markings or whatever. Which was really quite a take not so long after 9-11.
To be fair, Babylon 5 did something similar with the whole "green/purple" thing. A lot of SF does.
Mostly because to nerds*, a lot of -ism just looks stupid, over stupid petty little things, and tends to get portrayed/ridiculed as such. "This? This is what you're fighting about?"
And then, of course, we proceed to get passionately involved in our own arguments over the stupidest and pettiest things... but that's totally different, really.
Ninja Snarl PMy helmet is my burden.Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered Userregular
For double-irony, the Drazi color thing looks stupid at first glance ("they're just fighting over colors? How dumb is that?"), but the system rids them of internal warfare and has limits to prevent loss of life. And when the conflict is over, it's over. It's a random selection, so no blood feuds between opposing sides because there are no sides after the fight plays out.
So it's actually the humans doing things the dumb way, because the humans regularly fight each other and go all-fucking-out in civil wars, throwing the rules out the window because they're just so right that they can't be bothered with petty "rules".
The humans might laugh at the Drazi color fight, but the Drazi probably think it's too sad to laugh when Earth is being rebuilt for the third or fourth time because humans won't stop blowing themselves up because they don't do the color fight.
Sometimes you just don't want to be subtle when you're hammering a point home.
These aliens hate each other because that one is white on his left side and the other is white on his right side? What an absurd reason to fight oh wait a sec.
Yeah. I think the original O'Brien died in the time travel episode.
Much like how Harry Kim is a quantum duplicate and the original is drifting in space.
like an entire season of Voyager is all of their duplicates and then they all die the end no moral
You mean one episode, and it was a good episode.
No, I seriously mean an entire season of Voyager.
S4.E24: Demon: Voyager sets down on a "Demon-class" planet where Harry Kim and Tom Paris are duplicated by a sentient slime made out of deuterium (which they presumably also just use in their engines I guess?) and at the end of the episode the entire crew agrees to be duplicated so that the slime can live a more fulfilling life.
S5.E17: Course: Oblivion: Voyager undergoes mysterious malfunctions and diseases, culminating in their attempted return to the original planet, but unfortunately the ship just dissolves in space before they can make it. The "real" voyager happens upon the scene after they're all dead.
It's left ambiguous whether the intervening episodes were with the duplicate crew or the "real" crew, but I feel like they make nods to the events depicted between the two episodes in S5.E17, like To'llana's relationship status matches what had been happening in S5 so far, etc.
Haha, is this a real thing? Or just a creative interpretation of a run of episodes?
What was the Enterprise episode that completely bungled the idea of religious radicalism in a really offensive way? I remember it being during the start of the Xindi season, and it basically boiled the schism down to something stupid like the color of clothing or facial markings or whatever. Which was really quite a take not so long after 9-11.
To be fair, Babylon 5 did something similar with the whole "green/purple" thing. A lot of SF does.
Mostly because to nerds*, a lot of -ism just looks stupid, over stupid petty little things, and tends to get portrayed/ridiculed as such. "This? This is what you're fighting about?"
And then, of course, we proceed to get passionately involved in our own arguments over the stupidest and pettiest things... but that's totally different, really.
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It's clearly Drazi Green, for they lack the individual yellow and blue photoreceptors and so any combination of the two comes out as a primary color for them.
What was the Enterprise episode that completely bungled the idea of religious radicalism in a really offensive way? I remember it being during the start of the Xindi season, and it basically boiled the schism down to something stupid like the color of clothing or facial markings or whatever. Which was really quite a take not so long after 9-11.
To be fair, Babylon 5 did something similar with the whole "green/purple" thing. A lot of SF does.
Mostly because to nerds*, a lot of -ism just looks stupid, over stupid petty little things, and tends to get portrayed/ridiculed as such. "This? This is what you're fighting about?"
And then, of course, we proceed to get passionately involved in our own arguments over the stupidest and pettiest things... but that's totally different, really.
I watched Paradise, which was a pretty legit episode. Definitely gave an “oh shit” when Sisko got back in the box. It gave the crazy cult leader lady a fairer shake in the end than I expected, with everyone choosing to stay and leaving it ambiguous as to whether they were simply brainwashed or saw fundamental value in what she offered them, which I appreciated as an aspiring crazy cult leader.
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Sisko getting back in the box was an homage to Bridge on the River Kwai.
“I was quick when I came in here, I’m twice as quick now”
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
I just watched the episode where quark cheats the gamma quadrant aliens so they suck the senior staff into a mystical death game and then in the end there was no real point to any of it and people are like explain this and the aliens are like bye so I guess that was a way to kill an hour
I just watched the episode where quark cheats the gamma quadrant aliens so they suck the senior staff into a mystical death game and then in the end there was no real point to any of it and people are like explain this and the aliens are like bye so I guess that was a way to kill an hour
I watched Paradise, which was a pretty legit episode. Definitely gave an “oh shit” when Sisko got back in the box. It gave the crazy cult leader lady a fairer shake in the end than I expected, with everyone choosing to stay and leaving it ambiguous as to whether they were simply brainwashed or saw fundamental value in what she offered them, which I appreciated as an aspiring crazy cult leader.
That ending kind of pissed me off. You're telling me not one person had a problem with that lady lying to them for years, stranding them in the wilderness and directly getting a bunch of them killed?
You're telling that the Starfleet found out that someone had kidnapped Federation citizens, murdered several of them or got them killed through criminal disregard, and kidnapped/attempted to murder Starfleet officers...and didn't immediately task a ship to arrest the leader and put the rest into counseling?
I watched Paradise, which was a pretty legit episode. Definitely gave an “oh shit” when Sisko got back in the box. It gave the crazy cult leader lady a fairer shake in the end than I expected, with everyone choosing to stay and leaving it ambiguous as to whether they were simply brainwashed or saw fundamental value in what she offered them, which I appreciated as an aspiring crazy cult leader.
That ending kind of pissed me off. You're telling me not one person had a problem with that lady lying to them for years, stranding them in the wilderness and directly getting a bunch of them killed?
You're telling that the Starfleet found out that someone had kidnapped Federation citizens, murdered several of them or got them killed through criminal disregard, and kidnapped/attempted to murder Starfleet officers...and didn't immediately task a ship to arrest the leader and put the rest into counseling?
They did end it by arresting her and her son, though.
I did find it unrealistic that not a single other person wanted to leave, but the way the guy says it, it seems like the people were going to talk it over and figure out what to do next. I’m sure a few of them would’ve ended up leaving, but I’m not sure removing any of them from the planet against their will would’ve been the right thing to do.
My memory of the episode has gone faulty with time and rage. I guess I wanted her punished more, so my brain slowly corrupted that into "She wasn't punished at all! Aren't I so right all the time forever?"
I don't think it would be right to leave them there.
If the FBI found a bunch of kidnap victims at some compound, it would not be okay to leave them to their own devices as if they had agency when they demonstrably did not.
Did anyone in the episode point out that the Federation is open to alternative lifestyles, so her whole thing was definitely just a power fantasy?
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It's like hearing about how Switch cartridges are specially made to taste foul. It's like, why would you even try to taste them? How bad can it possibly be?
Oh.
Except Voyager isn't that bad, it's mostly the pain of missed opportunities.
Then you figure that since that wasn't nearly as bad as you'd been led to believe, you may as well try Enterprise...
I want to agree with you so bad, but
Spock's Brain, Code of Honor, Profit and Lace, Threshold, A Night in Sickbay
No.
Comedic masterpieces, the lot of them.
...well, maybe not Code of Honor.
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Even the most problematic episodes are still worth watching. They are a microcosm of popular culture of their era. You shouldn't ignore something just because it makes you uncomfortable. The fact that one of the most progressive TV shows to ever hit airwaves still has identifiable areas for improvement means we've come a long ways and have generally improved as a society. Even with all the regressive elements holding us back we're still making progress.
To be fair, Babylon 5 did something similar with the whole "green/purple" thing. A lot of SF does.
Mostly because to nerds*, a lot of -ism just looks stupid, over stupid petty little things, and tends to get portrayed/ridiculed as such. "This? This is what you're fighting about?"
And then, of course, we proceed to get passionately involved in our own arguments over the stupidest and pettiest things... but that's totally different, really.
* privileged white ones, at least.
What do you mean, you thought Solo was okay? You heretic.
I will defend Solo to my dying breath. It wasn't a perfect movie by any stretch of the imagination but it was perfectly serviceable. It was a good film and Ecart did a good job as Han Solo. I only wish it didn't come so hot on the heels of such a controversial (though I would argue still great) film as The Last Jedi. If they'd swapped Solo and Rogue One in the spinoff lineup, I think it would have gone over a lot better. Even with Han dying in EP7.
True for the likes of "Code of Honor", I guess; but my urge to not watch "Spock's Brain" or "Threshold" (again) isn't because they're problematic, but because they're dumb and bad.
Let He Who is without Sin...
/checkmate
Well, I'm not prepared to tell you who I've decided Keith Richards is playing in Picard just yet.
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There's a universe somewhere that got a Sulu series and a Worf series.
It taints The Pegasus, a far better TNG episode, due to it.
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One of the most stressful moments of his life paired with what had to be a particularly mind-numbing section of history class. I imagine he woke up screaming loud enough that Worf grabbed his bat'leth.
Essentially like a day pass for an active duty US military cadet.
Arch,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_goGR39m2k
The Great Maker twitted about this just recently.
So it's actually the humans doing things the dumb way, because the humans regularly fight each other and go all-fucking-out in civil wars, throwing the rules out the window because they're just so right that they can't be bothered with petty "rules".
The humans might laugh at the Drazi color fight, but the Drazi probably think it's too sad to laugh when Earth is being rebuilt for the third or fourth time because humans won't stop blowing themselves up because they don't do the color fight.
These aliens hate each other because that one is white on his left side and the other is white on his right side? What an absurd reason to fight oh wait a sec.
Haha, is this a real thing? Or just a creative interpretation of a run of episodes?
But, green isn't a primary color...
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Of light. RGB, Red Green Blue.
Pigments swap green (which is yellow + blue) out for yellow. But in light, yellow is made by combining red and green.
oh yeah? Well purple isn't even a colour.
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Iz only game. Y u heff to be mad?
That ending kind of pissed me off. You're telling me not one person had a problem with that lady lying to them for years, stranding them in the wilderness and directly getting a bunch of them killed?
You're telling that the Starfleet found out that someone had kidnapped Federation citizens, murdered several of them or got them killed through criminal disregard, and kidnapped/attempted to murder Starfleet officers...and didn't immediately task a ship to arrest the leader and put the rest into counseling?
They did end it by arresting her and her son, though.
I did find it unrealistic that not a single other person wanted to leave, but the way the guy says it, it seems like the people were going to talk it over and figure out what to do next. I’m sure a few of them would’ve ended up leaving, but I’m not sure removing any of them from the planet against their will would’ve been the right thing to do.
I don't think it would be right to leave them there.
If the FBI found a bunch of kidnap victims at some compound, it would not be okay to leave them to their own devices as if they had agency when they demonstrably did not.
Did anyone in the episode point out that the Federation is open to alternative lifestyles, so her whole thing was definitely just a power fantasy?