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[Game of Thrones] And Now Our Watch Has Ended [open spoilers]

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    she wears the title "chain-breaker" with pride, and is consistently hyped as a destroyer of tyrants

    the writers have no clue if they want her to be a good guy, angry, complicated, a hypocritical targaryen, or they're just being fucking lazy

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    also, somehow varys is the only character who has consistently been reasonable and practical

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  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    she wears the title "chain-breaker" with pride, and is consistently hyped as a destroyer of tyrants

    the writers have no clue if they want her to be a good guy, angry, complicated, a hypocritical targaryen, or they're just being fucking lazy

    Her wearing that makes sense. She did free the slaves. It’s good PR. It helped her personal goal of winning the throne.

    Slavery is wrong but her ruling people is correct from her perspective. It all checks out.

    I mean as an aspiring tyrant I would definitely have my PR team spinning up how good I am and how you will be free under my benevolent rule, etc etc.

    She is caught up in her own hype, some of her advisors are. Varys was, but isn’t now. I think that is what the show is going for but their writing sucks.

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  • JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    edited May 2019
    Dany's recent flashes of mercy and good nature are but interludes in her somewhat obvious descent into lust for power/borderline madness

    how anyone could be shocked at this point that she's seriously entertaining just torching King's Landing is.... way beyond me

    If you've been rooting for her as the good guy this whole time, sorry, but it looks like you picked the wrong horse, and that should have been clear since Mareen, when she learned that nice guys don't win

    at the same time, this could all be moot 7 minutes into the next episode. This wouldn't be the first time the showrunners flash a lot of weird/uncomfortable character shit at the audience, and then pull the rug out... remember the joy that was the Arya/Sansa reunion when they framed Arya as a psycho killer for no reason? Weeeee

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  • GrisloGrislo Registered User regular
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    Can Jon warg? HAS he warged in the show? I honestly cannot remember

    Oh my God, Karen, you can't just ask someone if they've warged.

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  • TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
    I wonder if all this shitty writing will motivate GRRM to finish the books.

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    TheStig wrote: »
    I wonder if all this shitty writing will motivate GRRM to finish the books.

    that's a good one

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  • mrpakumrpaku Registered User regular
    TheStig wrote: »
    I wonder if all this shitty writing will motivate GRRM to finish the books.

    It sure will! Another history of the Targareans, maybe a dunk and egg prequel, a detailed exploration of the 2018-19 football season

    Oh you meant these books

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  • JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    i felt the ultimate lack of really any detail whatsoever about what the nightking really is, and the possibility that we learn nothing about Bran is maybe intentional to bait people into getting stoked for the mythical unwritten books

  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    If Dany was a capital G Good Person she would have stayed in Essos and kept making things better than and not bounced for her “birthright” in Westeros

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  • Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
    Daenerys is basically Tommy Carcetti and I would like to get to see Emilia Clarke play Carcetti but also, in fairness, also let Aidan Gillen play Daenerys

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  • XeddicusXeddicus Registered User regular
    Inquisitor wrote: »
    If Dany was a capital G Good Person she would have stayed in Essos and kept making things better than and not bounced for her “birthright” in Westeros


    And then the world would have died. So it's a wash.

    Dany is losing her marbles for sure probably, but that twitter post is a bit overstating it for now with the "Genocide". It's more she doesn't care about collateral damage at all, especially when it's being used as a shield specifically to stop her.

    Which is pretty flimsy on it's own, which has been mentioned. You don't need to raze the city to get to Cersei.

  • Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
    they're not particularly selling me on the idea of they would've lost to the Night King if Daenerys wasn't there

    all it took was a knife trick

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  • KingofMadCowsKingofMadCows Registered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    also, somehow varys is the only character who has consistently been reasonable and practical

    Ah yes, Varys. The guy who wanted Viserys to sit on the Iron Throne.

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  • Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    Jasconius wrote: »
    i felt the ultimate lack of really any detail whatsoever about what the nightking really is, and the possibility that we learn nothing about Bran is maybe intentional to bait people into getting stoked for the mythical unwritten books

    I don't think there's any bigger plan behind this and I certainly don't think Martin and the showrunners have been coordinating on literally anything for a while (as the Night King is their creation and he's never indicated anything like him exists in the books)

    I think hoss is just having trouble moving things forward! It's an honestly hard thing to do well, as we can see, but very easy to do poorly, as we can also see. And hell, maybe he's just fucking tired of it. I sure would be

    But I don't think there's any baiting going on here. People have been on the hook for this series forever now already

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  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    Mr. G wrote: »
    they're not particularly selling me on the idea of they would've lost to the Night King if Daenerys wasn't there

    all it took was a knife trick

    And her dragon is what let the night king south of the wall.

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  • Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    also, somehow varys is the only character who has consistently been reasonable and practical

    Ah yes, Varys. The guy who wanted Viserys to sit on the Iron Throne.

    Hey look it was basically Calvinball in those early days, you had to back that particular horse and see if something better came along in the meantime

  • admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    also, somehow varys is the only character who has consistently been reasonable and practical

    Ah yes, Varys. The guy who wanted Aerys Viserys Daenerys Jon to sit on the Iron Throne.

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  • bsjezzbsjezz Registered User regular
    the problem with varys is he has no remaining hint of the menace that made him interesting for an episode or two back there

    the whole point of the character was that he was an 'ironic' eunuch, whereas now he's a literal handmaid

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  • mrpakumrpaku Registered User regular
    The Night's King definitely came up first in the books, Brandon Stark heard tales of it from (the nanny? Whoever told them all the stories growing up). A former night's watchmen, and almost definitely a former Stark

  • KingofMadCowsKingofMadCows Registered User regular
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    also, somehow varys is the only character who has consistently been reasonable and practical

    Ah yes, Varys. The guy who wanted Viserys to sit on the Iron Throne.

    Hey look it was basically Calvinball in those early days, you had to back that particular horse and see if something better came along in the meantime

    He could have helped Robert be a better king instead of undermining him.

  • Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
    mrpaku wrote: »
    The Night's King definitely came up first in the books, Brandon Stark heard tales of it from (the nanny? Whoever told them all the stories growing up). A former night's watchmen, and almost definitely a former Stark

    that's not particularly close to what they've done with it though, it's pretty much in name only

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    also, somehow varys is the only character who has consistently been reasonable and practical

    Ah yes, Varys. The guy who wanted Viserys to sit on the Iron Throne.

    Hey look it was basically Calvinball in those early days, you had to back that particular horse and see if something better came along in the meantime

    He could have helped Robert be a better king instead of undermining him.

    He did both.

    Varys was playing all sides.

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  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    edited May 2019
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    also, somehow varys is the only character who has consistently been reasonable and practical

    Ah yes, Varys. The guy who wanted Viserys to sit on the Iron Throne.

    Hey look it was basically Calvinball in those early days, you had to back that particular horse and see if something better came along in the meantime

    He could have helped Robert be a better king instead of undermining him.

    He did both.

    Varys was playing all sides.

    Something the books, again, make more clear. Varys has plans within plans and backups to those plans.

    Edit: Or he was full of shit and improvising constantly, with no real convictions. He's very enigmatic about the whole thing of course.

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  • admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    bsjezz wrote: »
    the problem with varys is he has no remaining hint of the menace that made him interesting for an episode or two back there

    the whole point of the character was that he was an 'ironic' eunuch, whereas now he's a literal handmaid

    I don't think that's inherently a problem. You can do a lot of work with characters who have a form of power, lose it, then transition into a different form of power.

  • InquisitorInquisitor Registered User regular
    The night’s king and the night king basically aren’t the same thing.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    captaink wrote: »
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    also, somehow varys is the only character who has consistently been reasonable and practical

    Ah yes, Varys. The guy who wanted Viserys to sit on the Iron Throne.

    Hey look it was basically Calvinball in those early days, you had to back that particular horse and see if something better came along in the meantime

    He could have helped Robert be a better king instead of undermining him.

    He did both.

    Varys was playing all sides.

    Something the books, again, make more clear. Varys has plans within plans and backups to those plans.

    Varys in the books has super knowledge and insight and has a thousand spies in the fuckin walls of the Red Keep.

    Varys’ main plot is to get Aegon, which is either a Blackfyre pretender or Illirio’s bastage on the throne.

    His secondary one is Viserys/Dany.

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  • KingofMadCowsKingofMadCows Registered User regular
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    also, somehow varys is the only character who has consistently been reasonable and practical

    Ah yes, Varys. The guy who wanted Viserys to sit on the Iron Throne.

    Hey look it was basically Calvinball in those early days, you had to back that particular horse and see if something better came along in the meantime

    He could have helped Robert be a better king instead of undermining him.

    He did both.

    Varys was playing all sides.

    But he didn't. He basically stood by as everyone plotted against Robert.

  • Raijin QuickfootRaijin Quickfoot I'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Jasconius wrote: »
    i felt the ultimate lack of really any detail whatsoever about what the nightking really is, and the possibility that we learn nothing about Bran is maybe intentional to bait people into getting stoked for the mythical unwritten books

    Nah. It's just bad writing

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    also, somehow varys is the only character who has consistently been reasonable and practical

    Ah yes, Varys. The guy who wanted Viserys to sit on the Iron Throne.

    Hey look it was basically Calvinball in those early days, you had to back that particular horse and see if something better came along in the meantime

    He could have helped Robert be a better king instead of undermining him.

    He did both.

    Varys was playing all sides.

    But he didn't. He basically stood by as everyone plotted against Robert.

    I mean, he explicitly didn’t. He gave Robert good advice and tried to lead Ned down the right path.

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  • Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    mrpaku wrote: »
    The Night's King definitely came up first in the books, Brandon Stark heard tales of it from (the nanny? Whoever told them all the stories growing up). A former night's watchmen, and almost definitely a former Stark

    The Night's King of the books was a human Watchman in the Age of Heroes who married a female Other, ruled as a human sacrificing tyrant for a few years, and was put down by a Stark-Wildling alliance. None of the stories describe him being or becoming an Other

    The Night King of the show was a man in the much more distant pre-Wall, pre-Watch time period of the Dawn Age before becoming a White Walker

    The time periods and general descriptions of the two don't line up in any way that makes me think they didn't just take a name they thought was cool and a general association with the Others/Walkers

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  • Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    I see we've covered this

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  • Mr. GMr. G Registered User regular
    One of Ned's final chapters in A Game of Thrones is basically, immediately after Robert dies, he is walked down a parade of three people (I think Littlefinger, Varys, and Renly?) who pretty much say to him "this is my plan of how we can keep shit running and Joffrey off the throne, it's a little underhanded, but it will work and it will be the best for the realm" and he says ME HONOR and it becomes clear he should've done literally any of them and maybe do a little bad to do some good

    Varys couldn't really do much to keep Robert from being killed but he did make an attempt to lead things down the right way after it happened, it was Ned who wouldn't budge

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Mr. G wrote: »
    One of Ned's final chapters in A Game of Thrones is basically, immediately after Robert dies, he is walked down a parade of three people (I think Littlefinger, Varys, and Renly?) who pretty much say to him "this is my plan of how we can keep shit running and Joffrey off the throne, it's a little underhanded, but it will work and it will be the best for the realm" and he says ME HONOR and it becomes clear he should've done literally any of them and maybe do a little bad to do some good

    Varys couldn't really do much to keep Robert from being killed but he did make an attempt to lead things down the right way after it happened, it was Ned who wouldn't budge

    Robert got killed pretty much because Ned told Cersei that he knew about the kids.

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  • mrpakumrpaku Registered User regular
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    I see we've covered this

    Thanks for clearing that up! Although now I think even less of the show's writing, so that's disappointing but not unexpected

  • chromdomchromdom Who? Where?Registered User regular
    Wait, wait, wait...
    The Night King and the Night's King aren't the same thing?
    Can someone explain that to me please?

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  • bsjezzbsjezz Registered User regular
    admanb wrote: »
    bsjezz wrote: »
    the problem with varys is he has no remaining hint of the menace that made him interesting for an episode or two back there

    the whole point of the character was that he was an 'ironic' eunuch, whereas now he's a literal handmaid

    I don't think that's inherently a problem. You can do a lot of work with characters who have a form of power, lose it, then transition into a different form of power.

    i mean, you can see it that way. but i reckon it's symptomatic of the condensation of the entire world into two powers, personified in two or three individuals

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  • ShortyShorty touching the meat Intergalactic Cool CourtRegistered User regular
    no, it's a mystery

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    chromdom wrote: »
    Wait, wait, wait...
    The Night King and the Night's King aren't the same thing?
    Can someone explain that to me please?

    The Night’s King is the Burger King mascot,

    The Night King is from the Mack the Knife commercials by McDonald’s

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  • PsykomaPsykoma Registered User regular
    chromdom wrote: »
    Wait, wait, wait...
    The Night King and the Night's King aren't the same thing?
    Can someone explain that to me please?

    The show's writers thought the name sounded cool so they created a new character with the same name who's basically different in every way.

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