Omega Weapon is the best part of Dirge of Cerberus, IMO. It's a natural fit with the lore of the main game, that a planet's last defence is to pack up it's lifestream and leave. Carried a nice implication that JENOVA is just the Omega Weapon from another planet, conflicting lifestreams...
They use that theme alot but I don't mind it.
The Final Fantasy The Spirits Within movie used it and even FF9 uses it some.
I mean, that's practically Lavos as well.
You know what? Nanowrimo's cancelled on account of the world is stupid.
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Omega Weapon is the best part of Dirge of Cerberus, IMO. It's a natural fit with the lore of the main game, that a planet's last defence is to pack up it's lifestream and leave. Carried a nice implication that JENOVA is just the Omega Weapon from another planet, conflicting lifestreams...
They use that theme alot but I don't mind it.
The Final Fantasy The Spirits Within movie used it and even FF9 uses it some.
I mean, that's practically Lavos as well.
Nah, Lavos is more like what we're lead to believe Jenova is in the original FFVII (major spoilers for several different FFs):
planet destroying parasites: Lavos, FFVII Jenova
dying world willing to kill another to survive: Spirits Within's Phantoms, Terrans in FFIX, Dirge's Omega Weapon, possibly Compilation Jenova?
Vincent is too much of a story black hole NOT to include something. Or rewrite it, I don't care, but he has far too little backstory in the original game.
Vincent's backstory is there, and if it was included as non-optional content it'd be fine. I'm doubting they'll keep him and Yuffie as optional this time around.
And honestly, he still gets more backstory than Cait Sith.
I would be more than happy if they quietly forgot everything related to the Compilation.
All the stuff that just expanded on what was already in 7 was fine (read: the stuff in Crisis Core that was just Cloud/Zack/Aeris related), but all the new stuff they added was terrible. Genesis is a garbage character that reads like some 12 year old's fanfic OC.
Angeal sounds like a medical condition.
God all the original story stuff in Crisis Core was so fucking bad. Even in 2007 it was awful, I can't even imagine how bad it would be now in 2020.
I would be more than happy if they quietly forgot everything related to the Compilation.
All the stuff that just expanded on what was already in 7 was fine (read: the stuff in Crisis Core that was just Cloud/Zack/Aeris related), but all the new stuff they added was terrible. Genesis is a garbage character that reads like some 12 year old's fanfic OC.
Angeal sounds like a medical condition.
God all the original story stuff in Crisis Core was so fucking bad. Even in 2007 it was awful, I can't even imagine how bad it would be now in 2020.
I don't mind them adding other interesting soldier characters, but they don't all need to be sephiroth clones.
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I would be more than happy if they quietly forgot everything related to the Compilation.
All the stuff that just expanded on what was already in 7 was fine (read: the stuff in Crisis Core that was just Cloud/Zack/Aeris related), but all the new stuff they added was terrible. Genesis is a garbage character that reads like some 12 year old's fanfic OC.
Angeal sounds like a medical condition.
God all the original story stuff in Crisis Core was so fucking bad. Even in 2007 it was awful, I can't even imagine how bad it would be now in 2020.
I don't mind them adding other interesting soldier characters, but they don't all need to be sephiroth clones.
Found the problem.
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Yeah, I don't get the Vincent hate at all. You have to do some actual digging to get his backstory, but man, it's some pretty rough shit when you find it and actually explains why he's not a normal human and why he just wanted to be left alone.
Cait Sith's backstory is so thin it's very nearly a backstory by implication rather than exposition. And then we have that bit where
he's going to activate the the Temple to turn it into materia, and he's trying to drum up some drama over it. It's literally just a robot controlled remotely and we get this whole "remember me!" sequence, when the replacement shows up in practically the very same scene that the original is destroyed. Always thought that sequence was really dumb.
Not to mention why the heck some random remote-controlled toy-thing is able to get stronger than Sephiroth and whatnot over the course of the game.
Yeah, I don't get the Vincent hate at all. You have to do some actual digging to get his backstory, but man, it's some pretty rough shit when you find it and actually explains why he's not a normal human and why he just wanted to be left alone.
Cait Sith's backstory is so thin it's very nearly a backstory by implication rather than exposition. And then we have that bit where
he's going to activate the the Temple to turn it into materia, and he's trying to drum up some drama over it. It's literally just a robot controlled remotely and we get this whole "remember me!" sequence, when the replacement shows up in practically the very same scene that the original is destroyed. Always thought that sequence was really dumb.
Not to mention why the heck some random remote-controlled toy-thing is able to get stronger than Sephiroth and whatnot over the course of the game.
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Cait Sith's robot body isn't actually a robot but a biological creation that's cybernetically enslaved to Reeve. It's not Reeve that's saying 'remember me', but the actual creature that's sacrificing its life. As to why it's stronger than Sephiroth? It's clearly made from Jenova cells.
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Yeah, I don't get the Vincent hate at all. You have to do some actual digging to get his backstory, but man, it's some pretty rough shit when you find it and actually explains why he's not a normal human and why he just wanted to be left alone.
Cait Sith's backstory is so thin it's very nearly a backstory by implication rather than exposition. And then we have that bit where
he's going to activate the the Temple to turn it into materia, and he's trying to drum up some drama over it. It's literally just a robot controlled remotely and we get this whole "remember me!" sequence, when the replacement shows up in practically the very same scene that the original is destroyed. Always thought that sequence was really dumb.
Not to mention why the heck some random remote-controlled toy-thing is able to get stronger than Sephiroth and whatnot over the course of the game.
Maybe
Cait Sith's robot body isn't actually a robot but a biological creation that's cybernetically enslaved to Reeve. It's not Reeve that's saying 'remember me', but the actual creature that's sacrificing its life. As to why it's stronger than Sephiroth? It's clearly made from Jenova cells.
Ok but that's horrifying and I don't like it.
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Not to get too much into mobile gacha game stuff, but in Opera Omnia, they lampshade the whole Cait Sith/Reeve thing. A few of the VII cast are like "wait, what does it mean that you are here in this new world" and Cait's response is basically "shhhh don't think about it too hard"
I'm looking forward to the game pronouncing Cait's name and everybody potentially freaking out again.
"What the fuck do you mean it's pronounced 'Seh-sull'?!"
I can't really remember if the various stuff since then have actually tried or not. I think the actual cat part has all of 2 lines in AC, and they were both "Shut up". And it was Reeve himself mostly in DoC.
"The sausage of Green Earth explodes with flavor like the cannon of culinary delight."
I'm looking forward to the game pronouncing Cait's name and everybody potentially freaking out again.
"What the fuck do you mean it's pronounced 'Seh-sull'?!"
I can't really remember if the various stuff since then have actually tried or not. I think the actual cat part has all of 2 lines in AC, and they were both "Shut up". And it was Reeve himself mostly in DoC.
Nah, he had three lines.
The first was "We can't handle this!" when they were fighting Bahamut. Before they, you know, handled it.
The last two were telling Yuffie to shut up, which I can appreciate.
If anything from the original game deserves to be cut, it would be cait sith.
No, we just need way more Reeve earlier. He's the one who would have been most directly responsible for dealing with the damage that Avalanche caused, after all, and I can see that playing very heavily into his initial willingness to infiltrate them.
There's soooo much that can be done with Cait / Reeve - a cool cyberpunkish dive into him controlling it with augmented reality, implications of Shin-ra having remote control dolls that can fully wield Materia even better than most people (Cait is the late-game "mage" of the group), maybe even a Vivi-like thing where there's a bunch of bad ones the players have to deal with.
It's a gold mine, and since it was so barebones before (mostly just being a nod and subversion of the mascot trope, down to the intentionally-ludicrous false sacrifice and associated masturbatory monologue), it can be done without fans crying about character assassination or whatnot. Not much there to rewrite to begin with.
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Ehhhh, I'm sure they'll probably just lean more into the fact that this straight-laced business man likes to act out as this wacky cat thing.
More seriously, I'm hoping and expecting that we'll see more from his end in the control room (or whatever). Maybe seehim reflect more on things such as using Marlene as a hostage, or being complicit in a lot of Shinra's bullshit in general. One issue in the original is that Reeve is such a non-entity in the game that when Cait Sith reveals who he is I remember just thinking "who?" on my first playthrough
Ehhhh, I'm sure they'll probably just lean more into the fact that this straight-laced business man likes to act out as this wacky cat thing.
More seriously, I'm hoping and expecting that we'll see more from his end in the control room (or whatever). Maybe seehim reflect more on things such as using Marlene as a hostage, or being complicit in a lot of Shinra's bullshit in general. One issue in the original is that Reeve is such a non-entity in the game that when Cait Sith reveals who he is I remember just thinking "who?" on my first playthrough
Only in this conversation am I finally realizing that Reeve is someone we had met before
Ehhhh, I'm sure they'll probably just lean more into the fact that this straight-laced business man likes to act out as this wacky cat thing.
More seriously, I'm hoping and expecting that we'll see more from his end in the control room (or whatever). Maybe seehim reflect more on things such as using Marlene as a hostage, or being complicit in a lot of Shinra's bullshit in general. One issue in the original is that Reeve is such a non-entity in the game that when Cait Sith reveals who he is I remember just thinking "who?" on my first playthrough
Only in this conversation am I finally realizing that Reeve is someone we had met before
LOL yeah. He's a rather non-descriptive exec who gives a few lines of dissent during Shinra's exposition-filled board meetings in the early game. Other than that we barely even see him!
He's the one executive who isn't clearly batshit insane and/or cartoonishly evil (well, Palmer's mostly just greedy I guess), so he naturally fades into the background. Which ironically enough makes him a good spy in reverse, as he escapes notice and suspicion.
Ehhhh, I'm sure they'll probably just lean more into the fact that this straight-laced business man likes to act out as this wacky cat thing.
I'm now imagining they go the opposite direction with this and it's not a robot but is Reeve in a costume, as the first major-production positive example of a furry character.
I wish they'd use the Sidhe spelling instead of Sith.
That might be the most petty gripe out of all of them. It's not that important.
But I'd still like it!
They should change the spelling of mako while they're at. Hearing it as mah-ko in the trailer sounds so bizarre
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Just having literally one scene showing Reeve controlling Cait Sith would go a long way towards reminding the player a) who the hell Reeve even is and b) Cait Sith is there because a Shin-Ra guy is coercing you.
Thankfully, the game is expanding, rather than contracting, the story. I definitely hope to see more development of Reeve and Cait Sith, as Reeve is clearly one of the only near-non-monsters at Shin-Ra but is still horrible enough to use a kid for leverage. Yeah, it's leverage to help save the world, but there's complexity there that the original never even touches beyond having Cait Sith be fluffy and cute.
So I just got FFXV because it was the first thing recomended when I googled PC games like Kingdom Hearts, because those don't have a PC release of any kind, and it is certainly something. Apparently in this world personal unions are formed by sending your prince to drive down Route 66 with his royal guard who's official uniforms make them look like a boy band while they kill random mobs and do fetch quests to afford expenses.
This is so bizarre it's actually kind of amazing.
While racing light mechs, your Urbanmech comes in second place, but only because it ran out of ammo.
So I just got FFXV because it was the first thing recomended when I googled PC games like Kingdom Hearts, because those don't have a PC release of any kind, and it is certainly something. Apparently in this world personal unions are formed by sending your prince to drive down Route 66 with his royal guard who's official uniforms make them look like a boy band while they kill random mobs and do fetch quests to afford expenses.
This is so bizarre it's actually kind of amazing.
I think, technically, they're all plainclothes, which is actually not uncommon in personal bodyguards.
I'm enjoying the descriptions, except for the fact the "What it says about you" doesn't have anything to do with disliking the game, which is kind of the whole point of the article.
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Yeah, "fuck you, Tidus" just means I'm a generic human being.
Because seriously, fuck you, Tidus. Boo fucking hoo, your superstar dad disappeared and you live the life of a sports god. Really feel a lot of sympathy for you as you tag along with the girl literally raised as a human sacrifice for her entire life but still loves everyone around her. Oh, and her dad died doing the same job she does. And she lives in a world of misery and pain if somebody doesn't manage to make this sacrifice every generation. And her last request is to have all her friends and family with her for her final journey.
So I just got FFXV because it was the first thing recomended when I googled PC games like Kingdom Hearts, because those don't have a PC release of any kind, and it is certainly something. Apparently in this world personal unions are formed by sending your prince to drive down Route 66 with his royal guard who's official uniforms make them look like a boy band while they kill random mobs and do fetch quests to afford expenses.
This is so bizarre it's actually kind of amazing.
I think, technically, they're all plainclothes, which is actually not uncommon in personal bodyguards.
That's not what the item description says in the menu.
While racing light mechs, your Urbanmech comes in second place, but only because it ran out of ammo.
I'm enjoying the descriptions, except for the fact the "What it says about you" doesn't have anything to do with disliking the game, which is kind of the whole point of the article.
Yeah, "fuck you, Tidus" just means I'm a generic human being.
Because seriously, fuck you, Tidus. Boo fucking hoo, your superstar dad disappeared and you live the life of a sports god. Really feel a lot of sympathy for you as you tag along with the girl literally raised as a human sacrifice for her entire life but still loves everyone around her. Oh, and her dad died doing the same job she does. And she lives in a world of misery and pain if somebody doesn't manage to make this sacrifice every generation. And her last request is to have all her friends and family with her for her final journey.
But that’s his arc. Like, Tidus acknowledges this and commits fully to the cause because of Yuna’s Heroism. Tidus is one of my favorite Final Fantasy characters, and I think the success of FFX is largely due to his character arc. I get that he’s kinda whiny and immature, but good characters need flaws in order to have development.
Yeah, "fuck you, Tidus" just means I'm a generic human being.
Because seriously, fuck you, Tidus. Boo fucking hoo, your superstar dad disappeared and you live the life of a sports god. Really feel a lot of sympathy for you as you tag along with the girl literally raised as a human sacrifice for her entire life but still loves everyone around her. Oh, and her dad died doing the same job she does. And she lives in a world of misery and pain if somebody doesn't manage to make this sacrifice every generation. And her last request is to have all her friends and family with her for her final journey.
But that’s his arc. Like, Tidus acknowledges this and commits fully to the cause because of Yuna’s Heroism. Tidus is one of my favorite Final Fantasy characters, and I think the success of FFX is largely due to his character arc. I get that he’s kinda whiny and immature, but good characters need flaws in order to have development.
Also he found out he doesn't actually exist which is pretty high on the list as far as existential crises go.
Reading this and what I'm really getting is Jeez, Barret's dialogue has always been kind of cringey, hasn't it? going by his dialogue in the screenshot in there.
...Also, as someone who considers FFVIII one of their favorite FFs, that description is still fucking spot on.
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Yo @HamHamJ don't rush the early game, especially Chapter 3. Take your sweet time messing around. Also if ya wanna break things later on, slap on the no-levelling-up item, I think it's a ring, and don't cash in your XP until you get to a x3 hotel much later on. You'll have a harder time early on and an easy time later. ;D
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Yeah, "fuck you, Tidus" just means I'm a generic human being.
Because seriously, fuck you, Tidus. Boo fucking hoo, your superstar dad disappeared and you live the life of a sports god. Really feel a lot of sympathy for you as you tag along with the girl literally raised as a human sacrifice for her entire life but still loves everyone around her. Oh, and her dad died doing the same job she does. And she lives in a world of misery and pain if somebody doesn't manage to make this sacrifice every generation. And her last request is to have all her friends and family with her for her final journey.
But that’s his arc. Like, Tidus acknowledges this and commits fully to the cause because of Yuna’s Heroism. Tidus is one of my favorite Final Fantasy characters, and I think the success of FFX is largely due to his character arc. I get that he’s kinda whiny and immature, but good characters need flaws in order to have development.
The guy was thirty hours of power drill straight in my ear, even when he gets "better". "Unlikeable little shit" just does not fly for me when the arc changes him to "unlikeable little shit who should've started changing a couple dozen hours ago instead of in the last couple hours of the story".
He doesn't even try to actually understand the world he's in, he just whines and complains until reality finally beats him over the head enough to pay attention to anyone else for five seconds.
Honestly, Yuna was better off with the guy disappearing into nothing because there's no way she did anything awful enough to deserve getting stuck with Tidus.
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I mean, that's practically Lavos as well.
Nah, Lavos is more like what we're lead to believe Jenova is in the original FFVII (major spoilers for several different FFs):
And honestly, he still gets more backstory than Cait Sith.
God all the original story stuff in Crisis Core was so fucking bad. Even in 2007 it was awful, I can't even imagine how bad it would be now in 2020.
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I don't mind them adding other interesting soldier characters, but they don't all need to be sephiroth clones.
Found the problem.
Cait Sith's backstory is so thin it's very nearly a backstory by implication rather than exposition. And then we have that bit where
Not to mention why the heck some random remote-controlled toy-thing is able to get stronger than Sephiroth and whatnot over the course of the game.
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Ok but that's horrifying and I don't like it.
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"What the fuck do you mean it's pronounced 'Seh-sull'?!"
I can't really remember if the various stuff since then have actually tried or not. I think the actual cat part has all of 2 lines in AC, and they were both "Shut up". And it was Reeve himself mostly in DoC.
yeah, like banshee
That might be the most petty gripe out of all of them. It's not that important.
But I'd still like it!
Nah, he had three lines.
The first was "We can't handle this!" when they were fighting Bahamut. Before they, you know, handled it.
The last two were telling Yuffie to shut up, which I can appreciate.
No, we just need way more Reeve earlier. He's the one who would have been most directly responsible for dealing with the damage that Avalanche caused, after all, and I can see that playing very heavily into his initial willingness to infiltrate them.
It's a gold mine, and since it was so barebones before (mostly just being a nod and subversion of the mascot trope, down to the intentionally-ludicrous false sacrifice and associated masturbatory monologue), it can be done without fans crying about character assassination or whatnot. Not much there to rewrite to begin with.
More seriously, I'm hoping and expecting that we'll see more from his end in the control room (or whatever). Maybe seehim reflect more on things such as using Marlene as a hostage, or being complicit in a lot of Shinra's bullshit in general. One issue in the original is that Reeve is such a non-entity in the game that when Cait Sith reveals who he is I remember just thinking "who?" on my first playthrough
Only in this conversation am I finally realizing that Reeve is someone we had met before
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LOL yeah. He's a rather non-descriptive exec who gives a few lines of dissent during Shinra's exposition-filled board meetings in the early game. Other than that we barely even see him!
I'm now imagining they go the opposite direction with this and it's not a robot but is Reeve in a costume, as the first major-production positive example of a furry character.
They should change the spelling of mako while they're at. Hearing it as mah-ko in the trailer sounds so bizarre
Thankfully, the game is expanding, rather than contracting, the story. I definitely hope to see more development of Reeve and Cait Sith, as Reeve is clearly one of the only near-non-monsters at Shin-Ra but is still horrible enough to use a kid for leverage. Yeah, it's leverage to help save the world, but there's complexity there that the original never even touches beyond having Cait Sith be fluffy and cute.
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This is so bizarre it's actually kind of amazing.
I think, technically, they're all plainclothes, which is actually not uncommon in personal bodyguards.
I'm enjoying the descriptions, except for the fact the "What it says about you" doesn't have anything to do with disliking the game, which is kind of the whole point of the article.
Because seriously, fuck you, Tidus. Boo fucking hoo, your superstar dad disappeared and you live the life of a sports god. Really feel a lot of sympathy for you as you tag along with the girl literally raised as a human sacrifice for her entire life but still loves everyone around her. Oh, and her dad died doing the same job she does. And she lives in a world of misery and pain if somebody doesn't manage to make this sacrifice every generation. And her last request is to have all her friends and family with her for her final journey.
That's not what the item description says in the menu.
Its the "hate is really projection" angle.
But that’s his arc. Like, Tidus acknowledges this and commits fully to the cause because of Yuna’s Heroism. Tidus is one of my favorite Final Fantasy characters, and I think the success of FFX is largely due to his character arc. I get that he’s kinda whiny and immature, but good characters need flaws in order to have development.
Damn. I'm going to have to steal that line.
Also he found out he doesn't actually exist which is pretty high on the list as far as existential crises go.
Reading this and what I'm really getting is Jeez, Barret's dialogue has always been kind of cringey, hasn't it? going by his dialogue in the screenshot in there.
...Also, as someone who considers FFVIII one of their favorite FFs, that description is still fucking spot on.
The guy was thirty hours of power drill straight in my ear, even when he gets "better". "Unlikeable little shit" just does not fly for me when the arc changes him to "unlikeable little shit who should've started changing a couple dozen hours ago instead of in the last couple hours of the story".
He doesn't even try to actually understand the world he's in, he just whines and complains until reality finally beats him over the head enough to pay attention to anyone else for five seconds.
Honestly, Yuna was better off with the guy disappearing into nothing because there's no way she did anything awful enough to deserve getting stuck with Tidus.