Did it ever get out that Olenna was responsible for poisoning Joffrey? Or did Jaime keep that one to himself?
If so it's kinda hilarious that Tyrion ends up hand again.
In the books it's somewhat hinted at that LF actually meant to poison Tyrion, but rolled with it as a happy accident once it ended up being Joffrey with Tyrion getting blamed anyway
"and the morning stars I have seen
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
Did it ever get out that Olenna was responsible for poisoning Joffrey? Or did Jaime keep that one to himself?
If so it's kinda hilarious that Tyrion ends up hand again.
In the books it's somewhat hinted at that LF actually meant to poison Tyrion, but rolled with it as a happy accident once it ended up being Joffrey with Tyrion getting blamed anyway
I don't remember that.
I also don't know why Olenna would have wanted to kill Tyrion?
Sorry guys, I have a confession to make. This last season was interactive for me. I thought it was for everyone, so I just kept making the worst choices on purpose for funzies. I didn't know that my interactive copy actually impact the show for everyone...
Did it ever get out that Olenna was responsible for poisoning Joffrey? Or did Jaime keep that one to himself?
If so it's kinda hilarious that Tyrion ends up hand again.
In the books it's somewhat hinted at that LF actually meant to poison Tyrion, but rolled with it as a happy accident once it ended up being Joffrey with Tyrion getting blamed anyway
I don't remember that.
I also don't know why Olenna would have wanted to kill Tyrion?
I could believe Olenna intending Oberyn to be suspected, but it's landing at Tyrion's feet being the happy accident.
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My frustration with Sansa's character is that her coronation and rule is based entirely on her Stark name. I wish they'd given a better reason.
I don't know what a better reason would look like, though I think they dropped the ball on underlining the fact that female heads of households has become acceptable at the end of the war. Danearys would have fully legitimized the break with primogeniture though, that being the base of her claim.
That said the Starks have been lords of Winterfel and the North for much longer than any other house, so it makes sense that the Stark name itself is enough for acceptance.
Olenna in the show outright confesses a couple times but the text is much more vague about whether she knew about the plot at all.
Obviously the tinfoil theory is that every single person at the wedding put their own poison into the wine goblet
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"and the morning stars I have seen
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
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Did it ever get out that Olenna was responsible for poisoning Joffrey? Or did Jaime keep that one to himself?
If so it's kinda hilarious that Tyrion ends up hand again.
In the books it's somewhat hinted at that LF actually meant to poison Tyrion, but rolled with it as a happy accident once it ended up being Joffrey with Tyrion getting blamed anyway
I don't remember that.
I also don't know why Olenna would have wanted to kill Tyrion?
I could believe Olenna intending Oberyn to be suspected, but it's landing at Tyrion's feet being the happy accident.
No, that was engineered. He hired the dwarf performers specifically to rile up Joffrey and Tyrion.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
Sorry guys, I have a confession to make. This last season was interactive for me. I thought it was for everyone, so I just kept making the worst choices on purpose for funzies. I didn't know that my interactive copy actually impact the show for everyone...
The net increase in wheels ruling Westeros should have been a dead giveaway.
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JuliusCaptain of Serenityon my shipRegistered Userregular
Sansa has the North leave the seven kingdoms in order to not bend the knee even though a Stark sits on the Iron Throne and she could have exerted far more influence and control and better the conditions of the North by staying involved politically.
Just... what?
I'm not sure that would have gone down too well, though!
Sansa: ... so, long story short, I know we've been fighting for our independence since like halfway through the first season, but I bent the knee to the King of the Seven Kingdoms. Northern Lords: ... S: But it's okay because he's my brother! NL: Ah, very good. He was commander of the Night's Watch. He knows the north and will be a fine ruler. S: What? No, Jon went north to play with his dog. I'm talking about my other brother, Bran ... the Broken. NL: Ah. Well, he may be defenceless, but at least he'll have the finest assassin known in the world on hand to protect him. S: Arya? No, she's taking her gap year and went off in a boat somewhere. Possibly with Gendry. NL: ... OK. Well, at least the Lannisters have all been destroyed. S: ... Tyrion is still alive and is serving as Hand of the King. NL: ... Right, well, at least there aren't any sell swords with low morals who have proven time and again that their loyalty can be bought. S: ... I don't know how to tell you this ...
What? No. Bronn is done with the sell sword shit, and is perfectly content where he is. There are only, what, two positions higher than his? Dude wants neither. And he has the fairest castle of them all. Dude has gone legit. No more backstabbing to get gold coins for him.
I mean, fuck with his money you'll end up getting got. But that's on anyone dumb enough to mess with his money.
Yeah anyone buying him would have to offer more than Lord of Highgarden and Master of Coin, which is pretty hard.
Also I doubt there will be much enthusiasm for plotting against the guy who can see the past and see through animals.
Sure, if they want to buy him wholesale.
But if all you want is for him to do one specific thing for you, you can just go to him with a sack full of gold coins and there's a pretty decent chance he'll do it.
A sack of gold is really not that much to him now, and I don't know to what extent it would matter.
like, yeah bribing and doing favours will work with him, but that's not really a break with tradition. That's just the little game all nobles play.
Sorry guys, I have a confession to make. This last season was interactive for me. I thought it was for everyone, so I just kept making the worst choices on purpose for funzies. I didn't know that my interactive copy actually impact the show for everyone...
The net increase in wheels ruling Westeros should have been a dead giveaway.
Is this a reference to my Christmas art?
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JuliusCaptain of Serenityon my shipRegistered Userregular
Did it ever get out that Olenna was responsible for poisoning Joffrey? Or did Jaime keep that one to himself?
If so it's kinda hilarious that Tyrion ends up hand again.
In the books it's somewhat hinted at that LF actually meant to poison Tyrion, but rolled with it as a happy accident once it ended up being Joffrey with Tyrion getting blamed anyway
I don't remember that.
I also don't know why Olenna would have wanted to kill Tyrion?
Yeah the whole point is having her granddaughter not marrying a psycho. And Tyrion getting the blame was also the point.
iirc the explanation is where Littlefinger also does his "chaos is a ladder" bit pointing out that any outcome would have been to his advantage. A dead Tyrion is also fine.
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The Littlefinger 3-dimensional chess move of marrying Sansa off to Ramsay never made sense to me.
It wasn’t supposed to be her and does that stupid thing visual media sometimes does when it cuts out a book character and replacing them with an already established character so we don’t need to waste dialogue telling us who X is.
Not saying it was done well, but that happens often when books with bajillions of characters are adopted to visual mediums.
In the books it was an Arya look-alike or something, correct?
Not even, just a common Northern girl, one of Sansa's friends and the daughter of one of Ned's retainers that came south that Littlefinger scooped up in the aftermath of Ned's death
They specifically had to have Theon on hand to say "yep it's Arya" to lend it legitimacy
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
The text is really clear about the purple wedding. Littlefinger talked a big game to sell the Tyrells on the marriage while at the same time creating rumors about the truth of how monsterous Joffrey was. He also put forth the whole Loras on the kingsguard to make the whole implication about a second kingslayer in the works if Loras saw Joff mistreat Margaery.
So he used Dontos to set up the hairnet and Olenna pulled the trigger. He got Joffrey to OK the dwarf performers because he knew that Joffrey was a petty little shit and the whole thing would spark a conflict between Tyrion and Joffrey at the critical moment.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
Did it ever get out that Olenna was responsible for poisoning Joffrey? Or did Jaime keep that one to himself?
If so it's kinda hilarious that Tyrion ends up hand again.
yes she told Jaime and Jaime told Cercei
Yup. And given Cersei's hatred for Tyrion, and that the actual perpetrator already faced justice, there's an almost zero percent chance that she told anyone else, and zero that she'd have told anyone she knows wouldn't keep the secret.
That's what I meant in my earlier post, about people outside of the small group that trusted Tyrion, that noone else likely would.
While we, the audience, know better, to most of the people in Westeros, Tyrion is responsible for, at the very least...
- Killing a king (who was also his nephew).
- Convicted in a trial by combat.
- Killing his father.
- With Varys, responsible for bringing Dany to their shores. Varys was already punished.
- Let her and her troops go bananas.
- Broke his faith with his liege-lady (hey, if Jaime had to live under a shit reputation regardless of the nutsiness of his liege-lord, you can bet the nobles and commonfolk will hold it against Tyrion) and conspired to have her killed.
- is a dwarf/imp/demon monkey (not an issue to us, but definitely an issue to them).
I just don't buy people accepting Tyrion as someone worth saving. If Jon's not going to be the superficial scapegoat execution for the destruction of King's Landing, then it was going to be Tyrion.
Also, still don't buy Drogon or Grey Worm not offing, or at least making a determined effort, to off Jon. Doesn't have to be successful if they want to give Jon a happy ending.
Sorry guys, I have a confession to make. This last season was interactive for me. I thought it was for everyone, so I just kept making the worst choices on purpose for funzies. I didn't know that my interactive copy actually impact the show for everyone...
The net increase in wheels ruling Westeros should have been a dead giveaway.
Is this a reference to my Christmas art Master-Class in Reindeer Anatomy?
Indeed
My biggest disappointment this season was never getting to land a solid "Master of Wheels" joke.
I think this show is now both “problematic” and artistically bad. It’s not the first show to really have problems with endings. Battlestar Galactica comes to mind - what an incoherent mess that was. Endings are the hardest part of any story.
They really arent. So long as you understand your story and theme.
Like; the ending should write itself really. Youve got characters that, by that point, have known motivations and capabilities and goals and desires abd you simply pick and choose based on your theme. Its getting there that is the hard part.
Danys heel turn is fine really.(ignoring how badly it was done) So long as the person who “wins” does it with ruthlessness and guile. This is because the Theme of GoT has been three things 1)the small folk do not care about the game (and suffer, but not as a result) 2) honesty and truthfulness and loyalty and love lose you the game 3) the game never ends, there is no end of history. Every winter ends and so does every summer (but you still have to plan if you want to make it through)
This last bit is the core metaphor. Winters last an indeterminate amount of time. You prepare for the winter so as to endure it in the same way you should have been preparing for the game of thrones in order to endure because you dont know how long its going to last or when its going to arrive.
If Cercei had won or Dany had won or if no one had won and the land was split into warring factions fending for themselves it would have been fine. So long as it didnt end with a “good person” on the Throne, because you cannot advance while being honest in competition with people who arent. Because if you didnt plan for the winter you will not sustain through it.
Of course... this requires the show writers to like... understand the show thry run
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Holy shit, Edmure over the Iron Islands, that's cruel even for Westeros. Bran is a monster.
And of course Drogon would go full Trogdor.
The iron islands are already under the rule of the Riverlands though.
They aren't one of the seven kingdoms.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Did it ever get out that Olenna was responsible for poisoning Joffrey? Or did Jaime keep that one to himself?
If so it's kinda hilarious that Tyrion ends up hand again.
yes she told Jaime and Jaime told Cercei
Yup. And given Cersei's hatred for Tyrion, and that the actual perpetrator already faced justice, there's an almost zero percent chance that she told anyone else, and zero that she'd have told anyone she knows wouldn't keep the secret.
That's what I meant in my earlier post, about people outside of the small group that trusted Tyrion, that noone else likely would.
While we, the audience, know better, to most of the people in Westeros, Tyrion is responsible for, at the very least...
- Killing a king (who was also his nephew).
- Convicted in a trial by combat.
- Killing his father.
- With Varys, responsible for bringing Dany to their shores. Varys was already punished.
- Let her and her troops go bananas.
- Broke his faith with his liege-lady (hey, if Jaime had to live under a shit reputation regardless of the nutsiness of his liege-lord, you can bet the nobles and commonfolk will hold it against Tyrion) and conspired to have her killed.
- is a dwarf/imp/demon monkey (not an issue to us, but definitely an issue to them).
I just don't buy people accepting Tyrion as someone worth saving. If Jon's not going to be the superficial scapegoat execution for the destruction of King's Landing, then it was going to be Tyrion.
Also, still don't buy Drogon or Grey Worm not offing, or at least making a determined effort, to off Jon. Doesn't have to be successful if they want to give Jon a happy ending.
Two things, both ending at Bran
Being Hand is a punishment for Tyrion
Bran knows who killed Joff and everyone believes Bran
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Holy shit, Edmure over the Iron Islands, that's cruel even for Westeros. Bran is a monster.
And of course Drogon would go full Trogdor.
The iron islands are already under the rule of the Riverlands though.
They aren't one of the seven kingdoms.
Eh, that's an oversimplification. The Iron Islands were never under the rule of the Riverlands. It was the other way around. Taking the most recent history before the Targaryen War of Conquest, at one point House Hoare, who were ironborn, ruled over the Iron Islands and conquered the Riverlands (which were always a distinct cultural and social entity), and built Harrenhal as their capital.
When Harrenhal was destroyed during Aegon's Conquest, the Iron Islands and the Riverlands were split by the Targaryens, with each having their own Great Houses. House Tully, which was elevated to a Great House for that reason, never ruled over the Iron Islands. By the time of Robert's Rebellion, the Iron Islands were always considered a separate region, distinct from the Riverlands or the North. It's for this reason that Theon is kept as a ward in Winterfell - to keep House Greyjoy (the Great House of the Iron Islands) in check.
The "Seven Kingdoms" are an ancient historical artifact that haven't aligned with the feudal power structure in Westeros for centuries (and in some cases, millenia).
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I'm curious to see how GoT ages in the next few years
Having binged the entire series before this season, Game of Throne's will age just as I'd expect it to. The first 5 seasons will be great. Amazing acting, mostly coherent plotting, and not an over reliance on special effects. Season 6 was still mostly great but you could start to see the cracks. Season 7 and 8, will continue to be bad. It's not like time and distance is going to make the writing better.
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In the books it's somewhat hinted at that LF actually meant to poison Tyrion, but rolled with it as a happy accident once it ended up being Joffrey with Tyrion getting blamed anyway
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
I don't remember that.
I also don't know why Olenna would have wanted to kill Tyrion?
I could believe Olenna intending Oberyn to be suspected, but it's landing at Tyrion's feet being the happy accident.
I don't know what a better reason would look like, though I think they dropped the ball on underlining the fact that female heads of households has become acceptable at the end of the war. Danearys would have fully legitimized the break with primogeniture though, that being the base of her claim.
That said the Starks have been lords of Winterfel and the North for much longer than any other house, so it makes sense that the Stark name itself is enough for acceptance.
22 minutes but w/e
Olenna in the show outright confesses a couple times but the text is much more vague about whether she knew about the plot at all.
Obviously the tinfoil theory is that every single person at the wedding put their own poison into the wine goblet
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
No, that was engineered. He hired the dwarf performers specifically to rile up Joffrey and Tyrion.
The net increase in wheels ruling Westeros should have been a dead giveaway.
A sack of gold is really not that much to him now, and I don't know to what extent it would matter.
like, yeah bribing and doing favours will work with him, but that's not really a break with tradition. That's just the little game all nobles play.
Is this a reference to my Christmas art?
Yeah the whole point is having her granddaughter not marrying a psycho. And Tyrion getting the blame was also the point.
iirc the explanation is where Littlefinger also does his "chaos is a ladder" bit pointing out that any outcome would have been to his advantage. A dead Tyrion is also fine.
They specifically had to have Theon on hand to say "yep it's Arya" to lend it legitimacy
So he used Dontos to set up the hairnet and Olenna pulled the trigger. He got Joffrey to OK the dwarf performers because he knew that Joffrey was a petty little shit and the whole thing would spark a conflict between Tyrion and Joffrey at the critical moment.
maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
Yup. And given Cersei's hatred for Tyrion, and that the actual perpetrator already faced justice, there's an almost zero percent chance that she told anyone else, and zero that she'd have told anyone she knows wouldn't keep the secret.
That's what I meant in my earlier post, about people outside of the small group that trusted Tyrion, that noone else likely would.
While we, the audience, know better, to most of the people in Westeros, Tyrion is responsible for, at the very least...
- Killing a king (who was also his nephew).
- Convicted in a trial by combat.
- Killing his father.
- With Varys, responsible for bringing Dany to their shores. Varys was already punished.
- Let her and her troops go bananas.
- Broke his faith with his liege-lady (hey, if Jaime had to live under a shit reputation regardless of the nutsiness of his liege-lord, you can bet the nobles and commonfolk will hold it against Tyrion) and conspired to have her killed.
- is a dwarf/imp/demon monkey (not an issue to us, but definitely an issue to them).
I just don't buy people accepting Tyrion as someone worth saving. If Jon's not going to be the superficial scapegoat execution for the destruction of King's Landing, then it was going to be Tyrion.
Also, still don't buy Drogon or Grey Worm not offing, or at least making a determined effort, to off Jon. Doesn't have to be successful if they want to give Jon a happy ending.
Indeed
My biggest disappointment this season was never getting to land a solid "Master of Wheels" joke.
Sounds like she really doesn’t want to be famous anymore
maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
I am Arya of House Stark. You will board my boat, sail across the ocean, and restore the heart of Valyria.
And now our thread has ended
and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
And of course Drogon would go full Trogdor.
~ Buckaroo Banzai
They really arent. So long as you understand your story and theme.
Like; the ending should write itself really. Youve got characters that, by that point, have known motivations and capabilities and goals and desires abd you simply pick and choose based on your theme. Its getting there that is the hard part.
Danys heel turn is fine really.(ignoring how badly it was done) So long as the person who “wins” does it with ruthlessness and guile. This is because the Theme of GoT has been three things 1)the small folk do not care about the game (and suffer, but not as a result) 2) honesty and truthfulness and loyalty and love lose you the game 3) the game never ends, there is no end of history. Every winter ends and so does every summer (but you still have to plan if you want to make it through)
This last bit is the core metaphor. Winters last an indeterminate amount of time. You prepare for the winter so as to endure it in the same way you should have been preparing for the game of thrones in order to endure because you dont know how long its going to last or when its going to arrive.
If Cercei had won or Dany had won or if no one had won and the land was split into warring factions fending for themselves it would have been fine. So long as it didnt end with a “good person” on the Throne, because you cannot advance while being honest in competition with people who arent. Because if you didnt plan for the winter you will not sustain through it.
Of course... this requires the show writers to like... understand the show thry run
The iron islands are already under the rule of the Riverlands though.
They aren't one of the seven kingdoms.
http://chrysreviews.com/index.php/2019/05/21/game-of-thrones-season-8-episode-6-review/
Truly this has been a game of thrones.
Two things, both ending at Bran
Being Hand is a punishment for Tyrion
Bran knows who killed Joff and everyone believes Bran
Eh, that's an oversimplification. The Iron Islands were never under the rule of the Riverlands. It was the other way around. Taking the most recent history before the Targaryen War of Conquest, at one point House Hoare, who were ironborn, ruled over the Iron Islands and conquered the Riverlands (which were always a distinct cultural and social entity), and built Harrenhal as their capital.
When Harrenhal was destroyed during Aegon's Conquest, the Iron Islands and the Riverlands were split by the Targaryens, with each having their own Great Houses. House Tully, which was elevated to a Great House for that reason, never ruled over the Iron Islands. By the time of Robert's Rebellion, the Iron Islands were always considered a separate region, distinct from the Riverlands or the North. It's for this reason that Theon is kept as a ward in Winterfell - to keep House Greyjoy (the Great House of the Iron Islands) in check.
The "Seven Kingdoms" are an ancient historical artifact that haven't aligned with the feudal power structure in Westeros for centuries (and in some cases, millenia).
Like fine wine.
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Moldering in a cellar while turning to vinegar?
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Depends on how HBO manages the Bran.
Example:
Iron Man 3 was widely panned by internet nerds due to things and everyone was sure it would always be horrible like Thor 2.
Fast forward to now and quite a few people like it just fine, much to the surprise of those who could've sworn the internet already passed judgment.
Yeah
It's also about people only watching it so they can speed off and get the next viral meme before anyone else
Edit: As well as a portion of people who have openly admitted they hated the show and have for years
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