[Mario Maker 2] Final update on 4/22! Frog Suit! Overworld creator! And More!

Enlong

Dr. Chaos wrote: »

Rooting hard for a SMB2 style.

Want Paper Mario more than anything but not sure the chances of that are quite as good.

Super Paper Mario style, with the ability to switch from X/Y perspective to Z/Y perspective.

rahkeesh2000

SMB2 is known as SMB2 US over there for well-known reasons. I bet we get Donkey Kong (arcade) style first, if ever.

Dr. Chaos

rahkeesh2000 wrote: »

SMB2 is known as SMB2 US over there for well-known reasons.

SMB 2 left its own mark on the series like with Birdo and shy guys becoming recurring element. Its not reviled or anything like that.

It has its own unique gameplay mechanics that could switch things up in MM that would make it worthy of being a DLC project of its own.

akThera

Don’t forget getting to play as Peach! Also introduced characters having different jump types.

Floaty Peach Jump 4evah!

Zek

SMB2 as a standalone DLC set is very possible, it's clear that they set up that section to allow for adding more of them and that one is the most obvious choice. In fact I don't even know what else they would do, I don't see Super Mario Land happening. It's not impossible that they could bring in other franchises.

WACriminal

Zek wrote: »

SMB2 as a standalone DLC set is very possible, it's clear that they set up that section to allow for adding more of them and that one is the most obvious choice. In fact I don't even know what else they would do, I don't see Super Mario Land happening. It's not impossible that they could bring in other franchises.

If they really want to go nuts, I can see a 2D Odyssey mode. Basically just make it like 3D World, but with the ability to possess enemies. Include some little hats the level creator can put on enemies to make them immune to capture.

Dr. Chaos

Zek wrote: »

SMB2 as a standalone DLC set is very possible, it's clear that they set up that section to allow for adding more of them and that one is the most obvious choice. In fact I don't even know what else they would do, I don't see Super Mario Land happening. It's not impossible that they could bring in other franchises.

Some people have suggested Galaxy and Odyssey style could be a thing.

King Riptor

rahkeesh2000 wrote: »

SMB2 is known as SMB2 US over there for well-known reasons. I bet we get Donkey Kong (arcade) style first, if ever.

Because it was made for US audiences.

Like that's all. They were already prototyping a lot of that for 3 anyway.

rahkeesh2000

I did forget that SMB2 was actually the first Mario game on the GBA, a form people over there would've actually played it in. Plus in all-stars though not sure how much impact that had. So I'll bet that if SMB2 happens it will be with more SNES style graphics, which would make a second awesome looking style to pick from.

skeldare

This is a cool SML style mockup

https://twitter.com/DetendoBrony/status/1129457270541045760

TDawg

Enlong wrote: »

Dr. Chaos wrote: »

Rooting hard for a SMB2 style.

Want Paper Mario more than anything but not sure the chances of that are quite as good.

Super Paper Mario style, with the ability to switch from X/Y perspective to Z/Y perspective.

Honestly, I just think a reskin only Paper Mario Style, where the mechanics don't change from the base, but every character is a paper cutout etc. would be really fun. I don't even need the shifting perspectives.

King Riptor

It looks like ou can just select Airship/metal parts as semisolid platforms now not tied to the airship theme. They show a tank in the direct but its on the ground. Making machines will be so much easier now

AbsoluteZero

I wish they would put the All Stars versions of SMB1 and 3 in there.

Kai_San

I pray that by the time I finally get a switch for this, yall are still making levels.

I still play the original fairly regularly. Because I don't have a switch yet.

Dirty

Are there any good resources for finding good levels in the original Mario Maker? Just googling "best Mario Maker levels" is mostly turning up; a) "clever" levels that are more about showing off the creators building skills than actually being fun for the player (masturbatory levels, basically); b) puzzle levels (cool, but not at all why I'm playing Mario); and c) super hard levels that are basically "fuck you" levels.

King Riptor

Kai_San wrote: »

I pray that by the time I finally get a switch for this, yall are still making levels.

I still play the original fairly regularly. Because I don't have a switch yet.

Well they are probably gone but heres a few of mine to tide you over . Just randomly found these on my Facebook
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Dr. Chaos

Dirty wrote: »

Are there any good resources for finding good levels in the original Mario Maker? Just googling "best Mario Maker levels" is mostly turning up; a) "clever" levels that are more about showing off the creators building skills than actually being fun for the player (masturbatory levels, basically); b) puzzle levels (cool, but not at all why I'm playing Mario); and c) super hard levels that are basically "fuck you" levels.

Yeah, I never played the original but some people seem to make an awful lot of stuff just to be clever or rage inducing.

Thats the stuff I want to avoid. Particularly the latter.

Alphagaia

Yes! We have a thread for this! I'm gonna have so much making scrolling shoot m ups with this!!!!

Dr. Chaos

I need to be able to put atleast 200 goombas in one stage.

Get a proper goomba apocalypse going. Just weird goomba experiment shit across the board for me.

akThera

I never played the first one, so here’s a dumb question:

What is the “blank slate” like? Just a huge grid? I’m asking cuz I might like doing some planning on paper before actual construction.

Did someone ever make, like, a floorplanner kind of thing for web browser etc?

Wyvern

akjak wrote: »

I never played the first one, so here’s a dumb question:

What is the “blank slate” like? Just a huge grid? I’m asking cuz I might like doing some planning on paper before actual construction.

Did someone ever make, like, a floorplanner kind of thing for web browser etc?

Yeah, it's a blank grid. Or, rather, two separate blank grids connected by pipes, if need be. I forget the maximum dimensions.

Figgy

akjak wrote: »

I never played the first one, so here’s a dumb question:

What is the “blank slate” like? Just a huge grid? I’m asking cuz I might like doing some planning on paper before actual construction.

Did someone ever make, like, a floorplanner kind of thing for web browser etc?

That would just be a recreation of the game itself. It really is very intuitive to just hop in and build, mass delete, etc.

And with the Switch being portable, anything else is just duplicating your efforts.

Enlong

The blank slate is Mario on a nondescript line of ground tiles on the left side of the stage, and the flagpole on the right side, separated by a pit.

AbsoluteZero

I do wonder why they decided to nuke your level if you try to switch over to 3D World? Seems like they could have saved all the compatible stuff, which would at least save the general level design, and delete the incompatible stuff. Maybe give you a warning and an opportunity to save a duplicate of your level before you convert it to 3D World.

I like designing the level first, then choosing the aesthetic. I also like swapping themes, it's part of the fun. Oh well.

akThera

Figgy wrote: »

akjak wrote: »

I never played the first one, so here’s a dumb question:

What is the “blank slate” like? Just a huge grid? I’m asking cuz I might like doing some planning on paper before actual construction.

Did someone ever make, like, a floorplanner kind of thing for web browser etc?

That would just be a recreation of the game itself. It really is very intuitive to just hop in and build, mass delete, etc.

And with the Switch being portable, anything else is just duplicating your efforts.

Not really, since it wouldn't be playable. I just want to sketch out, not place all the hazards/enemies, etc.

WACriminal

akjak wrote: »

Figgy wrote: »

akjak wrote: »

I never played the first one, so here’s a dumb question:

What is the “blank slate” like? Just a huge grid? I’m asking cuz I might like doing some planning on paper before actual construction.

Did someone ever make, like, a floorplanner kind of thing for web browser etc?

That would just be a recreation of the game itself. It really is very intuitive to just hop in and build, mass delete, etc.

And with the Switch being portable, anything else is just duplicating your efforts.

Not really, since it wouldn't be playable. I just want to sketch out, not place all the hazards/enemies, etc.

Yeah, I was looking around for something like those Stardew Valley farm planner sites. Couldn't find one.

LBD_Nytetrayn

Enlong wrote: »

Can we talk about how the night theme turns the 1-up mushroom into a poison mushroom that chases you? They went and made an official version of the green demon challenge.

I really hope that the night features are optional. They're neat, but sometimes I just like to play a level that's set at night, I don't need were-Goombas or anything there every time.

On another note, how nice would it be if you could still download and play SMM1 levels in SMM2? Probably something that will make that unfeasible, perhaps with a debate of whether it was worth it...

TehSpectre

LBD_Nytetrayn wrote: »

Enlong wrote: »

Can we talk about how the night theme turns the 1-up mushroom into a poison mushroom that chases you? They went and made an official version of the green demon challenge.

I really hope that the night features are optional. They're neat, but sometimes I just like to play a level that's set at night, I don't need were-Goombas or anything there every time.

On another note, how nice would it be if you could still download and play SMM1 levels in SMM2? Probably something that will make that unfeasible, perhaps with a debate of whether it was worth it...

I'm pretty sure they had a small line saying night can also just be used as a background tileset.

skeldare

TehSpectre wrote: »

LBD_Nytetrayn wrote: »

Enlong wrote: »

Can we talk about how the night theme turns the 1-up mushroom into a poison mushroom that chases you? They went and made an official version of the green demon challenge.

I really hope that the night features are optional. They're neat, but sometimes I just like to play a level that's set at night, I don't need were-Goombas or anything there every time.

On another note, how nice would it be if you could still download and play SMM1 levels in SMM2? Probably something that will make that unfeasible, perhaps with a debate of whether it was worth it...

I'm pretty sure they had a small line saying night can also just be used as a background tileset.

https://youtu.be/qBFovikIKXU

AbsoluteZero

I wonder how they are going to handle the tool unlocks this time? I remember that being annoying in the first one. Like you gotta play X amount before you can use pipes, etc.

WACriminal

My first goal will be to make some multiplayer Overcooked levels. Players in different rooms, dropping stuff on moving platforms to get them to each other, constructing POW towers to get to item dispensers, hitting ON/OFF switches to switch conveyor directions, etc.

Cruor

I've been thinking of doing an escort type map. Below where Mario spawns is a Super Mushroom that you need to get to the end of the level so that you can grab it, take damage, and then use your invincibility frames to get to the flag.

In order to get the Super Mushroom to the end you have to be proficient in the platforming of the upper level while keeping an eye on the lower level and hitting switches/using cranes/whatever else is needed to make sure you have the Mushroom at the end.

Alphagaia

AbsoluteZero wrote: »

I wonder how they are going to handle the tool unlocks this time? I remember that being annoying in the first one. Like you gotta play X amount before you can use pipes, etc.

Didn't an update change the way the unlocks worked in the first game? I remember it being much less cumbersome.

TehSpectre

Theoretically, it would make sense if you unlocked them by working through the single-player.

That's if they decide to make you unlock things again.

OneAngryPossum

When I saw the trailer for the first game, I wondered if they would let you build levels that required changing game styles mid-level. Say, one part needs a wall-jump, but another part requires Yoshi, and yet another part needs a Tanooki suit. So you have to experiment with the styles and associated tools to puzzle through the level.

Not at all the game they’re building, but still an idea that I’d love to see Nintendo play with.

Zython

skeldare wrote: »

TehSpectre wrote: »

LBD_Nytetrayn wrote: »

Enlong wrote: »

Can we talk about how the night theme turns the 1-up mushroom into a poison mushroom that chases you? They went and made an official version of the green demon challenge.

I really hope that the night features are optional. They're neat, but sometimes I just like to play a level that's set at night, I don't need were-Goombas or anything there every time.

On another note, how nice would it be if you could still download and play SMM1 levels in SMM2? Probably something that will make that unfeasible, perhaps with a debate of whether it was worth it...

I'm pretty sure they had a small line saying night can also just be used as a background tileset.

https://youtu.be/qBFovikIKXU

I hope you can have a day theme in one part of the course, and night in another. I want to have an night "underground" theme above a day ground theme to have some sort of topsy-turvy thing going.

Brainiac 8

If there is a chance we'll get another theme, I really hope it's Super Mario Land 2. That game had some of the best and kooky things going on with it.

Don't really have any interest in a SMB2 theme like many are wanting.

Dehumanized

I just think SMB2's too mechanically different from every other game in Maker to make sense as another theme. If anything, I expect more 3D Mario styles to be brought into 2D Mario, like Sunshine and 64.

skeldare

Dehumanized wrote: »

I just think SMB2's too mechanically different from every other game in Maker to make sense as another theme. If anything, I expect more 3D Mario styles to be brought into 2D Mario, like Sunshine and 64.

Was with you until the end. Sunshine and Mario 64 play completely differently than the 2D Mario games.

Enlong

Dehumanized wrote: »

I just think SMB2's too mechanically different from every other game in Maker to make sense as another theme. If anything, I expect more 3D Mario styles to be brought into 2D Mario, like Sunshine and 64.

Well, Mario 2 is definitely very mechanically different, and would require a good number of unique assets, like diggable sand, Shy Guys, Phantos, and turnips.

On the other hand, the special theme we currently have (3D World) does go all in on being different enough that there's no carry-over if you were building something in one of the original 4 themes. So I think something as wholly different as Mario 2 isn't out of the question.

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Personally, if I were picking a second special theme, I'd go for Galaxy. Altered gravity would be a cool stage gimmick to work with.