That ending kinda went full anime there didn't it? Everybody is getting blasted, you're on your last legs then Ardbert comes in gives you one last push. The main theme kicks in and the game gives you the choice of "I challenge you" or "This ends here!" Finishes off with the WoL just hurling Ardbert's ax through Emet Selch.
I'm gonna be riding this high for the rest of the day.
That ending kinda went full anime there didn't it? Everybody is getting blasted, you're on your last legs then Ardbert comes in gives you one last push. The main theme kicks in and the game gives you the choice of "I challenge you" or "This ends here!" Finishes off with the WoL just hurling Ardbert's ax through Emet Selch.
I'm gonna be riding this high for the rest of the day.
The scenes leading up to the ending and the ending are all great. I've rewatched them several times since beating it.
I also like how when the Crystal Exarch appears, Emet-Selch gets ready to ask him how the fuck he got there, but then decides not too since he's more impressed that the Exarch can still stand at all.
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admanbunionize your workplaceSeattle, WARegistered Userregular
DRK has the best laid-out kit of any class I've played yet.
Full-circle AoE for Sastasha (fuckin' WAR). oGCD AoE at 30. Good expansion of the kit from 31-40 (Blood Weapon is a lot more impactful than you might think). 41-50 is lame but 51-60 really fills out your rotation with a bunch of oGCDs that even have some utility. 61-70 looks rad as well.
it's pretty janky at low levels, the rotation changes completely once you get enochian and fire 4, and the AOE rotation changes completely at 72 or so when you can delete fire 2 from your hotkeys and replace it with flare completely
BLM is borderline unplayable until 45 or so, incredibly not fun till 60 when it becomes alright, and then becomes one the smoothest, most complete, and most powerful jobs in the game from levels 72-80.
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turtleantGunpla Dadis the best.Registered Userregular
Roegadyn
Eh, idk, since freeze gives you 3 stacks of umbrella ice now you can start doing the for real rotation at 35 now.
The thing about BLM is that the rotation changes pretty drastically at like 35 when you stop using transpose except in emergencies, and then completely at 60.
Once you have Fire 4 your whole single target playstyle is all about casting as many of those as possible. All your procs like firestarter and thundercloud you save for when you have to move. Even xenoglossy, your big lvl80 move, you save the first charge for movement.
Somethin' I like about MCH is that it has what feels like most of its late-game gameplan pretty early on. A lot of high-level stuff is just bonuses or retrains.
Somethin' I like about MCH is that it has what feels like most of its late-game gameplan pretty early on. A lot of high-level stuff is just bonuses or retrains.
Mch/Rdm/Sam/Gnb all more or less work fine at 50+.
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admanbunionize your workplaceSeattle, WARegistered Userregular
BRD becomes a real class at 52 which isn’t bad but sure is frustrating with all those level 50 dungeons you queue into. The flip side is that BRD basically stops changing after 60.
DNC is, as far as I can tell, the same at 50 as it is at every other level.
I am now getting introduced to Eulmore's whole thing and gonna make a called shot just off the outfits and aesthetic and whatnot
This is where they do their Kefka riff isn't it
actually the kefka riff is in one of the 8-man raids when you literally fight kefka
Not that they don’t sometimes reference the same thing twice. For example, Hien is the FFXIV version of Shun/Owain Garamonde from FFVI. But when you beat the Phantom Train in the Sigmascape, you see the ghost of the FFVI version of Shun/Owain.
Enlong on
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turtleantGunpla Dadis the best.Registered Userregular
BRD becomes a real class at 52 which isn’t bad but sure is frustrating with all those level 50 dungeons you queue into. The flip side is that BRD basically stops changing after 60.
DNC is, as far as I can tell, the same at 50 as it is at every other level.
Main thing you lose is being able to pick a dance partner below 60.
That ending kinda went full anime there didn't it? Everybody is getting blasted, you're on your last legs then Ardbert comes in gives you one last push. The main theme kicks in and the game gives you the choice of "I challenge you" or "This ends here!" Finishes off with the WoL just hurling Ardbert's ax through Emet Selch.
I'm gonna be riding this high for the rest of the day.
The only thing I thought could use a little re-wording:
Maybe instead of like "Oh I guess you used your light to fight his darkness?" make it more obvious. Like you hoist the ax up and start pouring light into it, you and Ardbert are using your powers you gained through this ordeal TOGETHER and then you toss the ax and its like "Oh man you poured all the Warden light into that ax and since were in the void now the light is in the void!"
Also I was a little confused, that guy in the admin office said you and Ardbert shared a soul, and Emet Selch said some things about you not being whole here or something like that...is the implication that everyone existed in the original world and got split when the world split and you and Ardbert were once one soul?
That ending kinda went full anime there didn't it? Everybody is getting blasted, you're on your last legs then Ardbert comes in gives you one last push. The main theme kicks in and the game gives you the choice of "I challenge you" or "This ends here!" Finishes off with the WoL just hurling Ardbert's ax through Emet Selch.
I'm gonna be riding this high for the rest of the day.
The only thing I thought could use a little re-wording:
Maybe instead of like "Oh I guess you used your light to fight his darkness?" make it more obvious. Like you hoist the ax up and start pouring light into it, you and Ardbert are using your powers you gained through this ordeal TOGETHER and then you toss the ax and its like "Oh man you poured all the Warden light into that ax and since were in the void now the light is in the void!"
Also I was a little confused, that guy in the admin office said you and Ardbert shared a soul, and Emet Selch said some things about you not being whole here or something like that...is the implication that everyone existed in the original world and got split when the world split and you and Ardbert were once one soul?
Yes, the implication is that the Warrior of Light is the partial reincarnation of the Fourteenth, who opposed the plan to create Zodiark and led the opposition.
That ending kinda went full anime there didn't it? Everybody is getting blasted, you're on your last legs then Ardbert comes in gives you one last push. The main theme kicks in and the game gives you the choice of "I challenge you" or "This ends here!" Finishes off with the WoL just hurling Ardbert's ax through Emet Selch.
I'm gonna be riding this high for the rest of the day.
The only thing I thought could use a little re-wording:
Maybe instead of like "Oh I guess you used your light to fight his darkness?" make it more obvious. Like you hoist the ax up and start pouring light into it, you and Ardbert are using your powers you gained through this ordeal TOGETHER and then you toss the ax and its like "Oh man you poured all the Warden light into that ax and since were in the void now the light is in the void!"
Also I was a little confused, that guy in the admin office said you and Ardbert shared a soul, and Emet Selch said some things about you not being whole here or something like that...is the implication that everyone existed in the original world and got split when the world split and you and Ardbert were once one soul?
Yeah, that's the implication, and what Emet-Selch's goal is. When Hydaelyn split the world into 14 shards, she also split the souls of all the denizens of that world. Each time there is a calamity and those people die, the fraction of their souls is either split amongst the remaining fractions, or it is entirely returned to the copy in the Source (ie you) and you become stronger as a result. A 'complete' soul is a member of the 'true' version of the world, and what Emet wants to bring back.
It's basically the plot of The One with Jet Li. There's a multiverse, and everytime a version of someone in any of the other Earths die, the others become stronger, and there's one out there that wants to be the only one.
That ending kinda went full anime there didn't it? Everybody is getting blasted, you're on your last legs then Ardbert comes in gives you one last push. The main theme kicks in and the game gives you the choice of "I challenge you" or "This ends here!" Finishes off with the WoL just hurling Ardbert's ax through Emet Selch.
I'm gonna be riding this high for the rest of the day.
The only thing I thought could use a little re-wording:
Maybe instead of like "Oh I guess you used your light to fight his darkness?" make it more obvious. Like you hoist the ax up and start pouring light into it, you and Ardbert are using your powers you gained through this ordeal TOGETHER and then you toss the ax and its like "Oh man you poured all the Warden light into that ax and since were in the void now the light is in the void!"
Also I was a little confused, that guy in the admin office said you and Ardbert shared a soul, and Emet Selch said some things about you not being whole here or something like that...is the implication that everyone existed in the original world and got split when the world split and you and Ardbert were once one soul?
Shadowbringers msq finale spoilers:
But you using Ardert's power and the Warden light and pouring all of it into the final strike is exactly what happened. Since the light weapon used is Ardert's axe, it's about as clear as it could be without exposition. It was pretty clear to me anyway. I guess the cinematic could've stretched out the windup a bit more to sell it, but I like the speed and strength of the strike in the cutscene as is.
EDIT: The confusion might be coming from Y'shtola's words, but she doesn't have the whole story. So it's not the game giving an explanation, it's her making the best theory she has with incomplete information. None of the other Scions ever knew of Ardbert.
As for the souls, yeah, that's exactly what happened. Earlier on, Emet Selch lays it out in Raktika (I believe), the shards are all split reflections of the source. The calamities that accompany rejoinings are explicitly the Ascian's working to put the Source back together into the whole it was before Hydaelyn shattered it. The WoL ad Ardbert are each part of the same soul. As others have already explained.
That ending kinda went full anime there didn't it? Everybody is getting blasted, you're on your last legs then Ardbert comes in gives you one last push. The main theme kicks in and the game gives you the choice of "I challenge you" or "This ends here!" Finishes off with the WoL just hurling Ardbert's ax through Emet Selch.
I'm gonna be riding this high for the rest of the day.
The only thing I thought could use a little re-wording:
Maybe instead of like "Oh I guess you used your light to fight his darkness?" make it more obvious. Like you hoist the ax up and start pouring light into it, you and Ardbert are using your powers you gained through this ordeal TOGETHER and then you toss the ax and its like "Oh man you poured all the Warden light into that ax and since were in the void now the light is in the void!"
Also I was a little confused, that guy in the admin office said you and Ardbert shared a soul, and Emet Selch said some things about you not being whole here or something like that...is the implication that everyone existed in the original world and got split when the world split and you and Ardbert were once one soul?
it is explicit during the fight
The Light with Her champions grows faint...
Use the power of the Light contained within you!
Active Time Maneuver START
Has the Wardens Light won free?! No...
Damn Her! Damn Her wretched blessing!
That ending kinda went full anime there didn't it? Everybody is getting blasted, you're on your last legs then Ardbert comes in gives you one last push. The main theme kicks in and the game gives you the choice of "I challenge you" or "This ends here!" Finishes off with the WoL just hurling Ardbert's ax through Emet Selch.
I'm gonna be riding this high for the rest of the day.
The only thing I thought could use a little re-wording:
Maybe instead of like "Oh I guess you used your light to fight his darkness?" make it more obvious. Like you hoist the ax up and start pouring light into it, you and Ardbert are using your powers you gained through this ordeal TOGETHER and then you toss the ax and its like "Oh man you poured all the Warden light into that ax and since were in the void now the light is in the void!"
Also I was a little confused, that guy in the admin office said you and Ardbert shared a soul, and Emet Selch said some things about you not being whole here or something like that...is the implication that everyone existed in the original world and got split when the world split and you and Ardbert were once one soul?
Yeah, that's the implication, and what Emet-Selch's goal is. When Hydaelyn split the world into 14 shards, she also split the souls of all the denizens of that world. Each time there is a calamity and those people die, the fraction of their souls is either split amongst the remaining fractions, or it is entirely returned to the copy in the Source (ie you) and you become stronger as a result. A 'complete' soul is a member of the 'true' version of the world, and what Emet wants to bring back.
It's basically the plot of The One with Jet Li. There's a multiverse, and everytime a version of someone in any of the other Earths die, the others become stronger, and there's one out there that wants to be the only one.
My theory is anyone with the echo has a part of an original Ascian soul. Being able to read the soul of other people/creatures is explicitly said to be a part of the power of the echo, and something they show us is fundamental to the Ascian society.
Also, to explain the joining with Ardbert more, keep in mind what Ryne says after the fight. The Light was actually shattering your soul, but after the fight it’s whole again. The only way that really makes sense is if Ardbert helped mend it. There’s also the scene where Emet briefly sees you as an Ascian, because enough of the soul has returned that he perceives your “original”
Finally, I think it’s also implied others characters already in the story are a part of the same soul. Tenzen, for one, is almost certainly the same Ascian soul as the current WoL, just ages past. I think it’s safe to assume Unulakhi or however it is spelled might be a part, too, considering he was the WoL of the 13th and one of the only survivors, explicitly saved by the Ascians.
That ending kinda went full anime there didn't it? Everybody is getting blasted, you're on your last legs then Ardbert comes in gives you one last push. The main theme kicks in and the game gives you the choice of "I challenge you" or "This ends here!" Finishes off with the WoL just hurling Ardbert's ax through Emet Selch.
I'm gonna be riding this high for the rest of the day.
The only thing I thought could use a little re-wording:
Maybe instead of like "Oh I guess you used your light to fight his darkness?" make it more obvious. Like you hoist the ax up and start pouring light into it, you and Ardbert are using your powers you gained through this ordeal TOGETHER and then you toss the ax and its like "Oh man you poured all the Warden light into that ax and since were in the void now the light is in the void!"
Also I was a little confused, that guy in the admin office said you and Ardbert shared a soul, and Emet Selch said some things about you not being whole here or something like that...is the implication that everyone existed in the original world and got split when the world split and you and Ardbert were once one soul?
Yeah, that's the implication, and what Emet-Selch's goal is. When Hydaelyn split the world into 14 shards, she also split the souls of all the denizens of that world. Each time there is a calamity and those people die, the fraction of their souls is either split amongst the remaining fractions, or it is entirely returned to the copy in the Source (ie you) and you become stronger as a result. A 'complete' soul is a member of the 'true' version of the world, and what Emet wants to bring back.
It's basically the plot of The One with Jet Li. There's a multiverse, and everytime a version of someone in any of the other Earths die, the others become stronger, and there's one out there that wants to be the only one.
My theory is anyone with the echo has a part of an original Ascian soul. Being able to read the soul of other people/creatures is explicitly said to be a part of the power of the echo, and something they show us is fundamental to the Ascian society.
Also, to explain the joining with Ardbert more, keep in mind what Ryne says after the fight. The Light was actually shattering your soul, but after the fight it’s whole again. The only way that really makes sense is if Ardbert helped mend it. There’s also the scene where Emet briefly sees you as an Ascian, because enough of the soul has returned that he perceives your “original”
Finally, I think it’s also implied others characters already in the story are a part of the same soul. Tenzen, for one, is almost certainly the same Ascian soul as the current WoL, just ages past. I think it’s safe to assume Unulakhi or however it is spelled might be a part, too, considering he was the WoL of the 13th and one of the only survivors, explicitly saved by the Ascians.
But here’s the thing:
Ramza Beoulve is also a Warrior of Light, and he can’t have reincarnated as you because his soul suck around in the Necrohol.
That ending kinda went full anime there didn't it? Everybody is getting blasted, you're on your last legs then Ardbert comes in gives you one last push. The main theme kicks in and the game gives you the choice of "I challenge you" or "This ends here!" Finishes off with the WoL just hurling Ardbert's ax through Emet Selch.
I'm gonna be riding this high for the rest of the day.
The only thing I thought could use a little re-wording:
Maybe instead of like "Oh I guess you used your light to fight his darkness?" make it more obvious. Like you hoist the ax up and start pouring light into it, you and Ardbert are using your powers you gained through this ordeal TOGETHER and then you toss the ax and its like "Oh man you poured all the Warden light into that ax and since were in the void now the light is in the void!"
Also I was a little confused, that guy in the admin office said you and Ardbert shared a soul, and Emet Selch said some things about you not being whole here or something like that...is the implication that everyone existed in the original world and got split when the world split and you and Ardbert were once one soul?
Yeah, that's the implication, and what Emet-Selch's goal is. When Hydaelyn split the world into 14 shards, she also split the souls of all the denizens of that world. Each time there is a calamity and those people die, the fraction of their souls is either split amongst the remaining fractions, or it is entirely returned to the copy in the Source (ie you) and you become stronger as a result. A 'complete' soul is a member of the 'true' version of the world, and what Emet wants to bring back.
It's basically the plot of The One with Jet Li. There's a multiverse, and everytime a version of someone in any of the other Earths die, the others become stronger, and there's one out there that wants to be the only one.
My theory is anyone with the echo has a part of an original Ascian soul. Being able to read the soul of other people/creatures is explicitly said to be a part of the power of the echo, and something they show us is fundamental to the Ascian society.
Also, to explain the joining with Ardbert more, keep in mind what Ryne says after the fight. The Light was actually shattering your soul, but after the fight it’s whole again. The only way that really makes sense is if Ardbert helped mend it. There’s also the scene where Emet briefly sees you as an Ascian, because enough of the soul has returned that he perceives your “original”
Finally, I think it’s also implied others characters already in the story are a part of the same soul. Tenzen, for one, is almost certainly the same Ascian soul as the current WoL, just ages past. I think it’s safe to assume Unulakhi or however it is spelled might be a part, too, considering he was the WoL of the 13th and one of the only survivors, explicitly saved by the Ascians.
But here’s the thing:
Ramza Beoulve is also a Warrior of Light, and he can’t have reincarnated as you because his soul suck around in the Necrohol.
Warrior of Light is a title, not a name. All of Ardberts companions were also warriors of light, but not part of the same soul. That doesn’t disprove anything. Unulakhi is significant because every other soul (ignoring the one other exception) on the 13th was lost except his, which seems like when they’re introducing Soul Merging as a plot point he will be important in the future. He’s also referenced by name in Shadowbringers.
I think of it as all parts of Your Soul will likely be warriors of light, but not all warriors of light are a part of your soul. Similarly everyone with the echo has an Ascian soul, but not everyone with the echo will be a warrior of light.
That ending kinda went full anime there didn't it? Everybody is getting blasted, you're on your last legs then Ardbert comes in gives you one last push. The main theme kicks in and the game gives you the choice of "I challenge you" or "This ends here!" Finishes off with the WoL just hurling Ardbert's ax through Emet Selch.
I'm gonna be riding this high for the rest of the day.
The only thing I thought could use a little re-wording:
Maybe instead of like "Oh I guess you used your light to fight his darkness?" make it more obvious. Like you hoist the ax up and start pouring light into it, you and Ardbert are using your powers you gained through this ordeal TOGETHER and then you toss the ax and its like "Oh man you poured all the Warden light into that ax and since were in the void now the light is in the void!"
Also I was a little confused, that guy in the admin office said you and Ardbert shared a soul, and Emet Selch said some things about you not being whole here or something like that...is the implication that everyone existed in the original world and got split when the world split and you and Ardbert were once one soul?
Shadowbringers msq finale spoilers:
But you using Ardert's power and the Warden light and pouring all of it into the final strike is exactly what happened. Since the light weapon used is Ardert's axe, it's about as clear as it could be without exposition. It was pretty clear to me anyway. I guess the cinematic could've stretched out the windup a bit more to sell it, but I like the speed and strength of the strike in the cutscene as is.
EDIT: The confusion might be coming from Y'shtola's words, but she doesn't have the whole story. So it's not the game giving an explanation, it's her making the best theory she has with incomplete information. None of the other Scions ever knew of Ardbert.
As for the souls, yeah, that's exactly what happened. Earlier on, Emet Selch lays it out in Raktika (I believe), the shards are all split reflections of the source. The calamities that accompany rejoinings are explicitly the Ascian's working to put the Source back together into the whole it was before Hydaelyn shattered it. The WoL ad Ardbert are each part of the same soul. As others have already explained.
Yeah I think that was my confusion
Y'stola said something like "huh well I guess light vs shadow worked out" which threw me
That ending kinda went full anime there didn't it? Everybody is getting blasted, you're on your last legs then Ardbert comes in gives you one last push. The main theme kicks in and the game gives you the choice of "I challenge you" or "This ends here!" Finishes off with the WoL just hurling Ardbert's ax through Emet Selch.
I'm gonna be riding this high for the rest of the day.
The only thing I thought could use a little re-wording:
Maybe instead of like "Oh I guess you used your light to fight his darkness?" make it more obvious. Like you hoist the ax up and start pouring light into it, you and Ardbert are using your powers you gained through this ordeal TOGETHER and then you toss the ax and its like "Oh man you poured all the Warden light into that ax and since were in the void now the light is in the void!"
Also I was a little confused, that guy in the admin office said you and Ardbert shared a soul, and Emet Selch said some things about you not being whole here or something like that...is the implication that everyone existed in the original world and got split when the world split and you and Ardbert were once one soul?
Yeah, that's the implication, and what Emet-Selch's goal is. When Hydaelyn split the world into 14 shards, she also split the souls of all the denizens of that world. Each time there is a calamity and those people die, the fraction of their souls is either split amongst the remaining fractions, or it is entirely returned to the copy in the Source (ie you) and you become stronger as a result. A 'complete' soul is a member of the 'true' version of the world, and what Emet wants to bring back.
It's basically the plot of The One with Jet Li. There's a multiverse, and everytime a version of someone in any of the other Earths die, the others become stronger, and there's one out there that wants to be the only one.
My theory is anyone with the echo has a part of an original Ascian soul. Being able to read the soul of other people/creatures is explicitly said to be a part of the power of the echo, and something they show us is fundamental to the Ascian society.
Also, to explain the joining with Ardbert more, keep in mind what Ryne says after the fight. The Light was actually shattering your soul, but after the fight it’s whole again. The only way that really makes sense is if Ardbert helped mend it. There’s also the scene where Emet briefly sees you as an Ascian, because enough of the soul has returned that he perceives your “original”
Finally, I think it’s also implied others characters already in the story are a part of the same soul. Tenzen, for one, is almost certainly the same Ascian soul as the current WoL, just ages past. I think it’s safe to assume Unulakhi or however it is spelled might be a part, too, considering he was the WoL of the 13th and one of the only survivors, explicitly saved by the Ascians.
But here’s the thing:
Ramza Beoulve is also a Warrior of Light, and he can’t have reincarnated as you because his soul suck around in the Necrohol.
Warrior of Light is a title, not a name. All of Ardberts companions were also warriors of light, but not part of the same soul. That doesn’t disprove anything. Unulakhi is significant because every other soul (ignoring the one other exception) on the 13th was lost except his, which seems like when they’re introducing Soul Merging as a plot point he will be important in the future. He’s also referenced by name in Shadowbringers.
I think of it as all parts of Your Soul will likely be warriors of light, but not all warriors of light are a part of your soul. Similarly everyone with the echo has an Ascian soul, but not everyone with the echo will be a warrior of light.
then what makes you think Tenzen is our same soul? Suzaku’s comments in her boss fight are her reacting to Aramitama-induced hallucinations. Tenzen himself appears to fight alongside us in the close of the Four Lords story, seemingly having sealed himself in a manner similar to Ramza, so we can’t be a reincarnation. Since he’s also from the Source, he can’t be another shard, either.
That ending kinda went full anime there didn't it? Everybody is getting blasted, you're on your last legs then Ardbert comes in gives you one last push. The main theme kicks in and the game gives you the choice of "I challenge you" or "This ends here!" Finishes off with the WoL just hurling Ardbert's ax through Emet Selch.
I'm gonna be riding this high for the rest of the day.
The only thing I thought could use a little re-wording:
Maybe instead of like "Oh I guess you used your light to fight his darkness?" make it more obvious. Like you hoist the ax up and start pouring light into it, you and Ardbert are using your powers you gained through this ordeal TOGETHER and then you toss the ax and its like "Oh man you poured all the Warden light into that ax and since were in the void now the light is in the void!"
Also I was a little confused, that guy in the admin office said you and Ardbert shared a soul, and Emet Selch said some things about you not being whole here or something like that...is the implication that everyone existed in the original world and got split when the world split and you and Ardbert were once one soul?
Yeah, that's the implication, and what Emet-Selch's goal is. When Hydaelyn split the world into 14 shards, she also split the souls of all the denizens of that world. Each time there is a calamity and those people die, the fraction of their souls is either split amongst the remaining fractions, or it is entirely returned to the copy in the Source (ie you) and you become stronger as a result. A 'complete' soul is a member of the 'true' version of the world, and what Emet wants to bring back.
It's basically the plot of The One with Jet Li. There's a multiverse, and everytime a version of someone in any of the other Earths die, the others become stronger, and there's one out there that wants to be the only one.
My theory is anyone with the echo has a part of an original Ascian soul. Being able to read the soul of other people/creatures is explicitly said to be a part of the power of the echo, and something they show us is fundamental to the Ascian society.
Also, to explain the joining with Ardbert more, keep in mind what Ryne says after the fight. The Light was actually shattering your soul, but after the fight it’s whole again. The only way that really makes sense is if Ardbert helped mend it. There’s also the scene where Emet briefly sees you as an Ascian, because enough of the soul has returned that he perceives your “original”
Finally, I think it’s also implied others characters already in the story are a part of the same soul. Tenzen, for one, is almost certainly the same Ascian soul as the current WoL, just ages past. I think it’s safe to assume Unulakhi or however it is spelled might be a part, too, considering he was the WoL of the 13th and one of the only survivors, explicitly saved by the Ascians.
But here’s the thing:
Ramza Beoulve is also a Warrior of Light, and he can’t have reincarnated as you because his soul suck around in the Necrohol.
Warrior of Light is a title, not a name. All of Ardberts companions were also warriors of light, but not part of the same soul. That doesn’t disprove anything. Unulakhi is significant because every other soul (ignoring the one other exception) on the 13th was lost except his, which seems like when they’re introducing Soul Merging as a plot point he will be important in the future. He’s also referenced by name in Shadowbringers.
I think of it as all parts of Your Soul will likely be warriors of light, but not all warriors of light are a part of your soul. Similarly everyone with the echo has an Ascian soul, but not everyone with the echo will be a warrior of light.
then what makes you think Tenzen is our same soul? Suzaku’s comments in her boss fight are her reacting to Aramitama-induced hallucinations. Tenzen himself appears to fight alongside us in the close of the Four Lords story, seemingly having sealed himself in a manner similar to Ramza, so we can’t be a reincarnation. Since he’s also from the Source, he can’t be another shard, either.
The biggest reason is that it would be narratively cool. Multiple characters throughout the questline remark on your similarity to Tenzen, though, as well. There’s also no real evidence that’s actually him at the end and not just a metaphor, or a manifestation of the part of the soul that remembers that life. Ascians are pretty good at willing things into existence. There’s a million explanations for that part, and they all make as much sense as “yeah he’s just a billion years old or displaced his own soul to keep watch” or whatever
Granted I don’t remember the exact text of that scene because I did it months ago but it’s a fun idea to speculate about
Echo Speculation with Shadowbringers Ending Spoilers
So I was thinking the other day, and every confirmed Echo user that we've seen has been able to circumvent the physical death of their bodies in some way or another. Ascians, Minfilia, Zenos and a random Sahagin all take over another body (and aside from Ascians this almost seems to happen automatically?). Ardbert and Tenzen continue to exist in a sort of spirit form.
The lone exception seems to be Ysayle, assuming her appearance after Nidhogg's defeat was more metaphorical (as Haurchefant also appeared and he didn't have the Echo). Though if the body-hopping is an automatic feature, then it's possible she ended up unintentionally taking over a nearby body...which in her case the closest probably would have been a random Garlean soldier. Which then theoretically could have been taken back to Garlemald with the rest of whatever legion she was with...which is where Estinien is currently hanging out.
It's a long shot, and a bit fanfictiony, but the fact that Zenos seemed to be intending to off himself and ended up body-hopping anyways, that does seem to indicate it could be an automatic feature that happens regardless. It'd also be interesting because if she ended up in a Garlean body she'd be cut off from aether and likely wouldn't be able to transform into Shiva anymore (though Garleans do conscript other races, such as Rhitahtyn sas Arvina, and that random Elezen that Zenos briefly inhabited).
Echo Speculation with Shadowbringers Ending Spoilers
So I was thinking the other day, and every confirmed Echo user that we've seen has been able to circumvent the physical death of their bodies in some way or another. Ascians, Minfilia, Zenos and a random Sahagin all take over another body (and aside from Ascians this almost seems to happen automatically?). Ardbert and Tenzen continue to exist in a sort of spirit form.
The lone exception seems to be Ysayle, assuming her appearance after Nidhogg's defeat was more metaphorical (as Haurchefant also appeared and he didn't have the Echo). Though if the body-hopping is an automatic feature, then it's possible she ended up unintentionally taking over a nearby body...which in her case the closest probably would have been a random Garlean soldier. Which then theoretically could have been taken back to Garlemald with the rest of whatever legion she was with...which is where Estinien is currently hanging out.
It's a long shot, and a bit fanfictiony, but the fact that Zenos seemed to be intending to off himself and ended up body-hopping anyways, that does seem to indicate it could be an automatic feature that happens regardless. It'd also be interesting because if she ended up in a Garlean body she'd be cut off from aether and likely wouldn't be able to transform into Shiva anymore (though Garleans do conscript other races, such as Rhitahtyn sas Arvina, and that random Elezen that Zenos briefly inhabited).
I don't think we're supposed to think body swapping is a normal feature of the echo, the ascians don't have the echo and I don't think we're supposed to assume the random sahagin that summoned leviathan did either. That sahagin doing the body swap thing does seem like a bit of a loose plot end though, he didn't seem to have anything special done to him like Zenos did, he just sort of did the ascian thing on his own. I wonder if that's a forgotten plot thread or what.
One thing in the Eulmore introduction I was surprised by
While it is not great that the first two fat characters I have met in the game are a hedonistic rich lady and the lord of the city who is a monster
I was happy when the apparent fat-shaming of the lady over Alphinaud's portrait was revealed to he her husband being an overbearing shit and she loved being portrayed in an honest light
Echo Speculation with Shadowbringers Ending Spoilers
So I was thinking the other day, and every confirmed Echo user that we've seen has been able to circumvent the physical death of their bodies in some way or another. Ascians, Minfilia, Zenos and a random Sahagin all take over another body (and aside from Ascians this almost seems to happen automatically?). Ardbert and Tenzen continue to exist in a sort of spirit form.
The lone exception seems to be Ysayle, assuming her appearance after Nidhogg's defeat was more metaphorical (as Haurchefant also appeared and he didn't have the Echo). Though if the body-hopping is an automatic feature, then it's possible she ended up unintentionally taking over a nearby body...which in her case the closest probably would have been a random Garlean soldier. Which then theoretically could have been taken back to Garlemald with the rest of whatever legion she was with...which is where Estinien is currently hanging out.
It's a long shot, and a bit fanfictiony, but the fact that Zenos seemed to be intending to off himself and ended up body-hopping anyways, that does seem to indicate it could be an automatic feature that happens regardless. It'd also be interesting because if she ended up in a Garlean body she'd be cut off from aether and likely wouldn't be able to transform into Shiva anymore (though Garleans do conscript other races, such as Rhitahtyn sas Arvina, and that random Elezen that Zenos briefly inhabited).
I don't think we're supposed to think body swapping is a normal feature of the echo, the ascians don't have the echo and I don't think we're supposed to assume the random sahagin that summoned leviathan did either. That sahagin doing the body swap thing does seem like a bit of a loose plot end though, he didn't seem to have anything special done to him like Zenos did, he just sort of did the ascian thing on his own. I wonder if that's a forgotten plot thread or what.
It's been a while, but I'm pretty sure that Sahagin was explicitly stated to have the Echo, and they also compared his body-swapping to Ascians I think. Ascian abilities have also been compared to the Echo a few other times if I remember right.
Echo Speculation with Shadowbringers Ending Spoilers
So I was thinking the other day, and every confirmed Echo user that we've seen has been able to circumvent the physical death of their bodies in some way or another. Ascians, Minfilia, Zenos and a random Sahagin all take over another body (and aside from Ascians this almost seems to happen automatically?). Ardbert and Tenzen continue to exist in a sort of spirit form.
The lone exception seems to be Ysayle, assuming her appearance after Nidhogg's defeat was more metaphorical (as Haurchefant also appeared and he didn't have the Echo). Though if the body-hopping is an automatic feature, then it's possible she ended up unintentionally taking over a nearby body...which in her case the closest probably would have been a random Garlean soldier. Which then theoretically could have been taken back to Garlemald with the rest of whatever legion she was with...which is where Estinien is currently hanging out.
It's a long shot, and a bit fanfictiony, but the fact that Zenos seemed to be intending to off himself and ended up body-hopping anyways, that does seem to indicate it could be an automatic feature that happens regardless. It'd also be interesting because if she ended up in a Garlean body she'd be cut off from aether and likely wouldn't be able to transform into Shiva anymore (though Garleans do conscript other races, such as Rhitahtyn sas Arvina, and that random Elezen that Zenos briefly inhabited).
I don't think we're supposed to think body swapping is a normal feature of the echo, the ascians don't have the echo and I don't think we're supposed to assume the random sahagin that summoned leviathan did either. That sahagin doing the body swap thing does seem like a bit of a loose plot end though, he didn't seem to have anything special done to him like Zenos did, he just sort of did the ascian thing on his own. I wonder if that's a forgotten plot thread or what.
It's been a while, but I'm pretty sure that Sahagin was explicitly stated to have the Echo, and they also compared his body-swapping to Ascians I think. Ascian abilities have also been compared to the Echo a few other times if I remember right.
True, the Sahagin did have the echo, but I don’t think it’s a valid assumption that body swapping is always a power of the Echo. A common one, sure. Maybe even a power that any person with Echo can use but still a power that isn’t automatically used in every case on death.
Echo Speculation with Shadowbringers Ending Spoilers
So I was thinking the other day, and every confirmed Echo user that we've seen has been able to circumvent the physical death of their bodies in some way or another. Ascians, Minfilia, Zenos and a random Sahagin all take over another body (and aside from Ascians this almost seems to happen automatically?). Ardbert and Tenzen continue to exist in a sort of spirit form.
The lone exception seems to be Ysayle, assuming her appearance after Nidhogg's defeat was more metaphorical (as Haurchefant also appeared and he didn't have the Echo). Though if the body-hopping is an automatic feature, then it's possible she ended up unintentionally taking over a nearby body...which in her case the closest probably would have been a random Garlean soldier. Which then theoretically could have been taken back to Garlemald with the rest of whatever legion she was with...which is where Estinien is currently hanging out.
It's a long shot, and a bit fanfictiony, but the fact that Zenos seemed to be intending to off himself and ended up body-hopping anyways, that does seem to indicate it could be an automatic feature that happens regardless. It'd also be interesting because if she ended up in a Garlean body she'd be cut off from aether and likely wouldn't be able to transform into Shiva anymore (though Garleans do conscript other races, such as Rhitahtyn sas Arvina, and that random Elezen that Zenos briefly inhabited).
I don't think we're supposed to think body swapping is a normal feature of the echo, the ascians don't have the echo and I don't think we're supposed to assume the random sahagin that summoned leviathan did either. That sahagin doing the body swap thing does seem like a bit of a loose plot end though, he didn't seem to have anything special done to him like Zenos did, he just sort of did the ascian thing on his own. I wonder if that's a forgotten plot thread or what.
It's been a while, but I'm pretty sure that Sahagin was explicitly stated to have the Echo, and they also compared his body-swapping to Ascians I think. Ascian abilities have also been compared to the Echo a few other times if I remember right.
True, the Sahagin did have the echo, but I don’t think it’s a valid assumption that body swapping is always a power of the Echo. A common one, sure. Maybe even a power that any person with Echo can use but still a power that isn’t automatically used in every case on death.
hmm maybe it's a latent ability of echo-havers that the ascians know how to teach someone to use? I guess that does vaguely leave the door open to Ysale coming back if so, but I think she's pretty dead unless an ascian taught her the trick offscreen or before we met her.
There definitely seems to be a difference between 'The Echo' and the ability for ones aether not to dissipate and become lost in the lifestream upon death.
I don't know if Tenzen was originally intended to be the soul of the WoL in a past life, but if they wanted to go that route it would make sense. Preternaturally strong, with a power to communicate with beings that he didn't know the language
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I'm gonna be riding this high for the rest of the day.
I also like how when the Crystal Exarch appears, Emet-Selch gets ready to ask him how the fuck he got there, but then decides not too since he's more impressed that the Exarch can still stand at all.
Full-circle AoE for Sastasha (fuckin' WAR). oGCD AoE at 30. Good expansion of the kit from 31-40 (Blood Weapon is a lot more impactful than you might think). 41-50 is lame but 51-60 really fills out your rotation with a bunch of oGCDs that even have some utility. 61-70 looks rad as well.
Gonna be rough to go from that to leveling PLD.
The thing about BLM is that the rotation changes pretty drastically at like 35 when you stop using transpose except in emergencies, and then completely at 60.
Once you have Fire 4 your whole single target playstyle is all about casting as many of those as possible. All your procs like firestarter and thundercloud you save for when you have to move. Even xenoglossy, your big lvl80 move, you save the first charge for movement.
Every time I run a roulette and get stuck with like a level 40 dungeon I feel my soul die
Normally DRK wouldn't be my thing but I keep hearing it has a super good story from the lady what now is the lead writer so I wanna see it
Mch/Rdm/Sam/Gnb all more or less work fine at 50+.
FFXIV: Tchel Fay
Nintendo ID: Tortalius
Steam: Tortalius
Stream: twitch.tv/tortalius
DNC is, as far as I can tell, the same at 50 as it is at every other level.
Main thing you lose is being able to pick a dance partner below 60.
I’m not crying, you’re crying.
The only thing I thought could use a little re-wording:
Also I was a little confused, that guy in the admin office said you and Ardbert shared a soul, and Emet Selch said some things about you not being whole here or something like that...is the implication that everyone existed in the original world and got split when the world split and you and Ardbert were once one soul?
It's basically the plot of The One with Jet Li. There's a multiverse, and everytime a version of someone in any of the other Earths die, the others become stronger, and there's one out there that wants to be the only one.
Shadowbringers msq finale spoilers:
EDIT: The confusion might be coming from Y'shtola's words, but she doesn't have the whole story. So it's not the game giving an explanation, it's her making the best theory she has with incomplete information. None of the other Scions ever knew of Ardbert.
As for the souls, yeah, that's exactly what happened. Earlier on, Emet Selch lays it out in Raktika (I believe), the shards are all split reflections of the source. The calamities that accompany rejoinings are explicitly the Ascian's working to put the Source back together into the whole it was before Hydaelyn shattered it. The WoL ad Ardbert are each part of the same soul. As others have already explained.
The Light with Her champions grows faint...
Use the power of the Light contained within you!
Active Time Maneuver START
Has the Wardens Light won free?! No...
Damn Her! Damn Her wretched blessing!
Also, to explain the joining with Ardbert more, keep in mind what Ryne says after the fight. The Light was actually shattering your soul, but after the fight it’s whole again. The only way that really makes sense is if Ardbert helped mend it. There’s also the scene where Emet briefly sees you as an Ascian, because enough of the soul has returned that he perceives your “original”
Finally, I think it’s also implied others characters already in the story are a part of the same soul. Tenzen, for one, is almost certainly the same Ascian soul as the current WoL, just ages past. I think it’s safe to assume Unulakhi or however it is spelled might be a part, too, considering he was the WoL of the 13th and one of the only survivors, explicitly saved by the Ascians.
But here’s the thing:
I think of it as all parts of Your Soul will likely be warriors of light, but not all warriors of light are a part of your soul. Similarly everyone with the echo has an Ascian soul, but not everyone with the echo will be a warrior of light.
Yeah I think that was my confusion
Granted I don’t remember the exact text of that scene because I did it months ago but it’s a fun idea to speculate about
The lone exception seems to be Ysayle, assuming her appearance after Nidhogg's defeat was more metaphorical (as Haurchefant also appeared and he didn't have the Echo). Though if the body-hopping is an automatic feature, then it's possible she ended up unintentionally taking over a nearby body...which in her case the closest probably would have been a random Garlean soldier. Which then theoretically could have been taken back to Garlemald with the rest of whatever legion she was with...which is where Estinien is currently hanging out.
It's a long shot, and a bit fanfictiony, but the fact that Zenos seemed to be intending to off himself and ended up body-hopping anyways, that does seem to indicate it could be an automatic feature that happens regardless. It'd also be interesting because if she ended up in a Garlean body she'd be cut off from aether and likely wouldn't be able to transform into Shiva anymore (though Garleans do conscript other races, such as Rhitahtyn sas Arvina, and that random Elezen that Zenos briefly inhabited).
I was happy when the apparent fat-shaming of the lady over Alphinaud's portrait was revealed to he her husband being an overbearing shit and she loved being portrayed in an honest light
I don't know if Tenzen was originally intended to be the soul of the WoL in a past life, but if they wanted to go that route it would make sense. Preternaturally strong, with a power to communicate with beings that he didn't know the language