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Penny Arcade - Comic - They Want What You Have

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edited May 2019 in The Penny Arcade Hub

imagePenny Arcade - Comic - They Want What You Have

Videogaming-related online strip by Mike Krahulik and Jerry Holkins. Includes news and commentary.

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  • NekoPanzerNekoPanzer Registered User regular
    I've done a lot of contract work and this is 100% accurate. Read the contract carefully. If anything sticks out, speak up. If they say "Oh, don't worry about that. We can work all that out later.", No, we'll work it out right now. Anything that is dubious or unclear can and will come back to haunt you. Don't be nice or let anything go.

  • Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    This comic makes me wonder whether Omin Dran is Jerry working out some stuff

    [Muffled sounds of gorilla violence]
  • DistantlurkerDistantlurker Registered User regular
    Very curious to know what this is about. Looking forward to the txt.

  • E.CoyoteE.Coyote Registered User regular
    Just going to drop the link to the contract episode of StripSearch here. (for reasons.)
    https://www.penny-arcade.com/strip-search/episode/contractual-obligations

  • Abbe.FariaAbbe.Faria Registered User regular
    NekoPanzer wrote: »
    I've done a lot of contract work and this is 100% accurate. Read the contract carefully. If anything sticks out, speak up. If they say "Oh, don't worry about that. We can work all that out later.", No, we'll work it out right now. Anything that is dubious or unclear can and will come back to haunt you. Don't be nice or let anything go.

    Especially true if you join the military, mother was a recruiter and her number one piece of advice was to make sure stuff is in writing and signed cause them giving their word, verbal contract, or assuring you they'll get you what your asking or trying for means jack all unless it's on paper.

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    This is probably in regards to a streamer tfue(sp?) I think who signed a deal with faze (sp?) its been the story of the minute on the interboobs. Hilariously when I heard about it at first I thought of PA and how they signed away their comic rights once.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

    pleasepaypreacher.net
  • CryptkickerCryptkicker Registered User regular
    Despite the humor, they aren't wrong. Read contracts before signing them. Companies will have their own best interests covered before considering you. I worked at a place for 14 years. I want that to be well understood... I was there for 14 YEARS. I only find out after they let me go that the contract I signed when I first took the job included a clause that had me agree not to say they were my employer in my search for future employment, including company name, position or responsibilities, and that I cannot use coworkers as references, due to "the nature of the work this company does." Essentially, younger naïve me agreed to put a 14-year-gap on my resume and can't say why.

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    That doesn't seem legal? Like you aren't employed there anymore, how can they enforce a tail like that?

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

    pleasepaypreacher.net
  • rembrandtqeinsteinrembrandtqeinstein Registered User regular
    The "Being nice makes you a juice box for vampires" applies to pretty much every aspect of life, not just contacts.

  • Finnish_LineFinnish_Line Registered User regular
    "depends ON them".

    Maybe with more proofreading they wouldn't get in contract trouble so often. :P

  • RottonappleRottonapple Registered User regular
    Considering in the past they have managed to sign away all of their rights to penny-arcade.com and their IP to some web aggregate sight AND signed away the book rights to some rando, I think they know what they are talking about.

  • ZerosumZerosum Registered User new member
    Created an account just to post on this, please have Omen give an 'After School Special' to contract negotiations. With the rise of the gig-economy this will become extremely important to a fast growing segment.

  • DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    So true.

    Also super frustrating when it comes to employment contracts when there are a number of clauses that aren't negotiable and are "industry standard." Sure, you can disagree, but you can also not have a job.

    I'm looking at you binding arbitration agreements, for example.

    What is this I don't even.
  • SyzygySyzygy Registered User regular
    The "Being nice makes you a juice box for vampires" applies to pretty much every aspect of life, not just contacts.

    If there is a God this is why he has in all likelihood abandoned us. Nobody can do anything nice without someone else using it to just take a big shit all over everyone and everything.

    Kinda makes me wonder ho Mr. Rogers survived for so long. Maybe he was TOO nice and the vampires all died of diabetes when they tried to defile his works?

  • dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    Abbe.Faria wrote: »
    NekoPanzer wrote: »
    I've done a lot of contract work and this is 100% accurate. Read the contract carefully. If anything sticks out, speak up. If they say "Oh, don't worry about that. We can work all that out later.", No, we'll work it out right now. Anything that is dubious or unclear can and will come back to haunt you. Don't be nice or let anything go.

    Especially true if you join the military, mother was a recruiter and her number one piece of advice was to make sure stuff is in writing and signed cause them giving their word, verbal contract, or assuring you they'll get you what your asking or trying for means jack all unless it's on paper.

    And going one step further, it is almost definitely that they intend to do that thing which you don't want them to do. It's not even like there's a 50/50 chance or anything.

  • zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    edited May 2019
    Preacher wrote: »
    That doesn't seem legal? Like you aren't employed there anymore, how can they enforce a tail like that?
    If it's cleared work it can be (like you can't identify cleared personnel or agencies for references). Also with certain cleared work you have a lifelong commitment to have your resume reviewed before public posting.

    Honestly though as with NDAs, covenants not to compete, and other restrictions on trade I just ignore it as unenforceable and make it a point to just not tell anyone where I go after I leave. That's the best protection. If nobody knows where you went then they won't be coming for you for violating an agreement. Security through obscurity.

    zepherin on
  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    I mean until recently fucking fast food restaurants were putting in non compete clauses. Like god damn seriously? You're shitty min wage bullshit job wants to make sure I can't work at another place? Fuck you corporate jackals.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

    pleasepaypreacher.net
  • rembrandtqeinsteinrembrandtqeinstein Registered User regular
    Syzygy wrote: »
    The "Being nice makes you a juice box for vampires" applies to pretty much every aspect of life, not just contacts.

    If there is a God this is why he has in all likelihood abandoned us. Nobody can do anything nice without someone else using it to just take a big shit all over everyone and everything.

    Kinda makes me wonder ho Mr. Rogers survived for so long. Maybe he was TOO nice and the vampires all died of diabetes when they tried to defile his works?

    Somewhere along the line western culture confused the idea of "goodness" and "niceness". Where "niceness" is defined as keeping quiet, compromising your interests, and agreeing with things you might find distasteful in order to avoid conflict. That and the perverse idea of looking out for your own interests is somehow a negative, shamed as "selfishness".

    If I had to hypothesize it would be that collective public education emphasizes getting along, to make thing easier on the teachers, more than trying to get the best deal you can for yourself.

    People in general confuse the idea of being liked and being respected. And when those paths diverge they take the easier path of trying to be liked.

    One of my favorite tropes: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GoodIsNotNice

  • SyzygySyzygy Registered User regular
    I prefer Good is Not Soft, if only because they went with one of my favorite Terry Pratchett quotes.

    And is it still considered moral/ethical to seek the best deal for oneself at the expense of everyone and everything else? You gotta draw the line somewhere. 100 people shouldn't get fucked and suffer a shitty deal because 1 person doesn't care that they're screwing them for a better deal for themselves.

  • YoungFreyYoungFrey Registered User regular
    Syzygy wrote: »
    I prefer Good is Not Soft, if only because they went with one of my favorite Terry Pratchett quotes.

    And is it still considered moral/ethical to seek the best deal for oneself at the expense of everyone and everything else? You gotta draw the line somewhere. 100 people shouldn't get fucked and suffer a shitty deal because 1 person doesn't care that they're screwing them for a better deal for themselves.

    I don't think that was ever true unless your name is Ayn Rand.

  • rembrandtqeinsteinrembrandtqeinstein Registered User regular
    Syzygy wrote: »
    I prefer Good is Not Soft, if only because they went with one of my favorite Terry Pratchett quotes.

    And is it still considered moral/ethical to seek the best deal for oneself at the expense of everyone and everything else? You gotta draw the line somewhere. 100 people shouldn't get fucked and suffer a shitty deal because 1 person doesn't care that they're screwing them for a better deal for themselves.

    I'm not sure how that is relevant to contract negotiations. The comic is pointing out how the process is inherently adversarial and "niceness" and "politeness" and "trust" self-imposed handicaps that prevent you from getting the best outcome.

  • pwgcbcpwgcbc Registered User new member
    "Being nice is something stupid people do to hedge their bets." --Rick Sanchez

  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    The point of that speech is that Rick is wrong

  • dennisdennis aka bingley Registered User regular
    Tube wrote: »
    The point of that speech is that Rick is wrong

    Listen to the hedgehog; he knows hedges.

  • WiseManTobesWiseManTobes Registered User regular
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    One of my favorite panels ever

    Steam! Battlenet:Wisemantobes#1508
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