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QUILTBAG: It’s Pride Time

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  • PeenPeen tw1tch0rz occasionallyRegistered User regular
    facetious wrote: »
    A friend who makes and sells reproductions of an 18th century dildo gave me one as a gift.

    You run with a weird cool crew, I'm a little jealous.

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  • facetiousfacetious a wit so dry it shits sandRegistered User regular
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  • Brovid HasselsmofBrovid Hasselsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
    Been rewatching the Naked Gun films recently and we watched the 3rd one yesterday. Had totally forgotten that it ends on a big Ace-Ventura-style trans joke, so that was a fun surprise. Fucking 90s films, man.

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  • King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    Been rewatching the Naked Gun films recently and we watched the 3rd one yesterday. Had totally forgotten that it ends on a big Ace-Ventura-style trans joke, so that was a fun surprise. Fucking 90s films, man.

    That was a reference to the Crying game specifically which admittedly is still not a great look

    But really OJ inadvertently killing those films longevity was probably the most good hes ever done

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  • GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    Man there will still tons of tons of mean spirited trans jokes through most of the 00s! I feel like it wasn't till the end of the decade that even some popular television/movie media decided "uh maybe just saying 'trans people are gross let's point and laugh'" was maybe not kosher.

    Like many oughts sitcoms had at least one episode where a character meets a person they like, they really hit it off, and then they discover the character is trans and they bail immediately. And that's the joke in its entirety.

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  • SeidkonaSeidkona Had an upgrade Registered User regular
    Next step towards orchi+scrotechtimy today.


    So excited!

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  • SeidkonaSeidkona Had an upgrade Registered User regular
    Gundi wrote: »
    Man there will still tons of tons of mean spirited trans jokes through most of the 00s! I feel like it wasn't till the end of the decade that even some popular television/movie media decided "uh maybe just saying 'trans people are gross let's point and laugh'" was maybe not kosher.

    Like many oughts sitcoms had at least one episode where a character meets a person they like, they really hit it off, and then they discover the character is trans and they bail immediately. And that's the joke in its entirety.

    It only served to confirm my family was right and that it was such a shunned and terrible thing to be...

    Fuck the media and my parents as i t is actually resplendent and beautiful!

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  • PirateQueenPirateQueen Registered User regular
    With awesome actors like Elliot Page and awesome actresses like Abigail Thorne, I hope some much better media representation of trans characters is coming....

    For me as a cis bi poly person - I really wish friends and romantic partners didn't compare me to TV/movie characters when I came out to them. I know they were probably just trying to get to grips with stuff, but... I'm a real person, not a character from their favourite sitcom : /

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  • JarsJars Registered User regular
    most people don't think I even exist

  • PirateQueenPirateQueen Registered User regular
    Jars wrote: »
    most people don't think I even exist
    : ( For real?

    Hang in there @Jars

    Trying to figure out ways to raise QUILTBAG visibility and inclusivity in some of our classes (through accurate representations like )...
    if there are some groups you all feel specially need more visibility pls let me know (I think most of our students understand terms like gay, bi and pan; also trans and nonbinary; but far fewer have awareness of agender people, asexual or demisexual people, intersex people....)

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  • JarsJars Registered User regular
    yeah, men can't be bi. you're just gay

    which my extremely **mature** response is that I'm straight enough to fuck their mother

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  • ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    Jars wrote: »
    yeah, men can't be bi. you're just gay

    which my extremely **mature** response is that I'm straight enough to fuck their mother

    My oldest memory of a good queer joke insult was from the late 80s and it was someone talking about finally standing up to their bully by saying, "I'm more of a man than you'll ever be and more of a woman than you'll ever get." and I still think about that sometimes.

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  • credeikicredeiki Registered User regular
    Tox wrote: »
    Jars wrote: »
    yeah, men can't be bi. you're just gay

    which my extremely **mature** response is that I'm straight enough to fuck their mother

    My oldest memory of a good queer joke insult was from the late 80s and it was someone talking about finally standing up to their bully by saying, "I'm more of a man than you'll ever be and more of a woman than you'll ever get." and I still think about that sometimes.

    I love this
    it's very old school and takes so much panache to deliver

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  • JarsJars Registered User regular
    and also gay enough to fuck your dad

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  • TefTef Registered User regular
    Jars wrote: »
    yeah, men can't be bi. you're just gay

    which my extremely **mature** response is that I'm straight enough to fuck their mother

    furiously Takes notes
    Jars wrote: »
    and also gay enough to fuck your dad

    Furiously takes further notes

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  • SorceSorce Not ThereRegistered User regular
    Bi-Furious, you say?

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  • TefTef Registered User regular
    Sorce wrote: »
    Bi-Furious, you say?

    And fast!

    Well maybe not so much anymore on that one

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  • AnzekayAnzekay Registered User regular
    god if I ever get an opportunity to use that insult I 100% am gonna do it

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  • PirateQueenPirateQueen Registered User regular
    Jars wrote: »
    yeah, men can't be bi. you're just gay

    which my extremely **mature** response is that I'm straight enough to fuck their mother
    LOL
    Yup, I get that as a bi woman too...
    ("you're straight/gay and just going through a phase" - a phase that's been going on for over 10 years now)
    Can't use your awesome comeback as it's from friends whose parents I know so X )

    Bi representation - at least we get Hamilton now and not just 2 sitcoms and a bunch of porn!

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  • JarsJars Registered User regular
    I've always heard it the other way where "all women are bi" because it plays into men's fantasies

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  • PirateQueenPirateQueen Registered User regular
    Oof - that too
    Reminds me of a time when (spoilered for sensitive content)
    a New Year's kiss with a female friend elicited an applause from a bar full of sleezy older guys. They thought it was a performance, y'know, for them. Yuck : (
    Been much more careful where I go out since then...

  • 3cl1ps33cl1ps3 I will build a labyrinth to house the cheese Registered User regular
    Oof - that too
    Reminds me of a time when (spoilered for sensitive content)
    a New Year's kiss with a female friend elicited an applause from a bar full of sleezy older guys. They thought it was a performance, y'know, for them. Yuck : (
    Been much more careful where I go out since then...

    UGH

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  • JarsJars Registered User regular
    something I've always wondered, since it's a big thing among men, do women like it when men do gay things with each other?

  • SeidkonaSeidkona Had an upgrade Registered User regular
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  • PirateQueenPirateQueen Registered User regular
    TY for the empathy @eclipse

    For @Jars - I'd like it if it was two of my consenting male partners who enjoyed being watched, otherwise I think it's as creepy and intrusive as when men watch women uninvited...

  • Kayne Red RobeKayne Red Robe Master of Magic ArcanusRegistered User regular
    Jars wrote: »
    something I've always wondered, since it's a big thing among men, do women like it when men do gay things with each other?

    Unfortunate experiences at anime conventions in the early aughts say that yes, there are gross women also.

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  • CalicaCalica Registered User regular
    edited February 23
    Jars wrote: »
    something I've always wondered, since it's a big thing among men, do women like it when men do gay things with each other?

    This is a whole thing in fanfiction and fanart, but it's been observed that M/M porn and relationship stories are, among other things, a way for women to explore sexual fantasies free of the implicit gendered power imbalance that exists in hetero pairings because of the shitty sexist culture we all live in. This includes exploring power dynamics other than gender, without a gender difference mucking things up. (See also: A/B/O* dynamics, which are, at their core, a way to divorce gender and gender roles from sex and biology. 95% of everything is shite, but the other ~5% of A/B/O fanfiction contains some very thoughtful social commentary.)

    Also, male characters tend to be 1) much more numerous and 2) better developed than female characters (because of the aforementioned sexist culture), so in any given fandom there are a lot more potential M/M relationships between interesting characters than F/F or M/F.

    So, while there are certainly women who just like watching men do gay things... it's complicated.

    *just in case, to spare a NSFW google search: A/B/O is a genre of fanfiction in which people have a biological alpha, beta, or omega disposition in addition to their sex. Betas are what we think of as normal humans. Omegas are submissive (usually) and can get pregnant and bear children, regardless of whether they are male or female. Alphas are dominant and have a strong drive to claim and protect omegas. The best examples of the genre use the framework to explore and subvert gender roles and gender essentialism.

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  • Satanic JesusSatanic Jesus Hi, I'm Liam! Registered User regular
    I just want a hug, is that so much to ask?

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  • PirateQueenPirateQueen Registered User regular
    edited February 23
    I'll can give you a virtual hug @Satanic Jesus - would that help? *

    That is so interesting @Calica , have never thought about fanfics in that way

    Though, aren't A/B/O dynamics kind of based on secondary genders as fixed and biological?
    (though I'm not an expert on this & hope this isn't a super prejudiced and ignorant question)

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  • CalicaCalica Registered User regular
    I'll can give you a virtual hug @Satanic Jesus - would that help? *

    That is so interesting @Calica , have never thought about fanfics in that way

    Though, aren't A/B/O dynamics kind of based on secondary genders as fixed and biological?
    (though I'm not an expert on this & hope this isn't a super prejudiced and ignorant question)

    Pretty much. The idea is that you can take a male character that your audience is already familiar with - Tony Stark, say - and give them a biological trait that gives them the same kinds of disadvantages in society that women have in real life, while sidestepping the gendered stereotypes that a reader would automatically apply to a female character. So writers can show an omega Tony Stark who is constantly underestimated, devalued, and treated like an object in the same way that women are in real life, and for the same reasons (ability to bear children, perceived physical and/or mental weakness), in spite of his actual accomplishments. And because it's happening to a male character, it emphasizes how incredibly messed up it is that we have these stereotypes that have nothing to do with the biological differences on which they're supposedly based.

    Of course, an awful lot of A/B/O fanfic is straight-up kinky porn (and there's nothing wrong with that!).

    Also, I'm hardly an expert either; just interested. I certainly have no grounds to get offended by questions about made-up biology :biggrin:

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  • PirateQueenPirateQueen Registered User regular
    Calica wrote: »
    you can take a male character that your audience is already familiar with - Tony Stark, say - and give them a biological trait that gives them the same kinds of disadvantages in society that women have in real life, while sidestepping the gendered stereotypes that a reader would automatically apply to a female character.
    So rather than being sexist A/B/O stories actually expose sexism in our society?
    I feel like I just entered the Matrix and finally understand what this genre is actually about (aside from the kinky porn), TY @Calica !

  • MichaelLCMichaelLC In what furnace was thy brain? ChicagoRegistered User regular
    Just to briefly unlurk, a friend works at a company that recently classified gender dysphoria as a physical condition - not mental - where treatment is often surgery.

    That...sounds like a good thing?

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  • CalicaCalica Registered User regular
    edited February 24
    Calica wrote: »
    you can take a male character that your audience is already familiar with - Tony Stark, say - and give them a biological trait that gives them the same kinds of disadvantages in society that women have in real life, while sidestepping the gendered stereotypes that a reader would automatically apply to a female character.
    So rather than being sexist A/B/O stories actually expose sexism in our society?
    I feel like I just entered the Matrix and finally understand what this genre is actually about (aside from the kinky porn), TY @Calica !

    To be fair, it really, really depends on the specific story and author.

    edit: but yeah, a running theme is that biology isn't an excuse. Like, your Alpha hormones are no excuse to be an overbearing jerk; just because an Omega is in heat doesn't mean they consent to sex; etc.

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  • ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    MichaelLC wrote: »
    Just to briefly unlurk, a friend works at a company that recently classified gender dysphoria as a physical condition - not mental - where treatment is often surgery.

    That...sounds like a good thing?

    I mean

    All conditions are ultimately physical in the end and I really wish there wasn’t a distinction made.

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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    The distinction is fine, as not every mental issue has a direct physical pathology.

    The issue is that one is treated as lesser than the other, which yeah that really sucks.

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  • GnizmoGnizmo Registered User regular
    MichaelLC wrote: »
    Just to briefly unlurk, a friend works at a company that recently classified gender dysphoria as a physical condition - not mental - where treatment is often surgery.

    That...sounds like a good thing?

    Hum. I am trying to think through this as it relates to my personal and professional stuff. I can't sort my thoughts on this perfectly personally. I think I like it? It appears to be moving in the direction I generally like. Treating it as a physical condition rather than mental one makes sense to me at least. My problem doesn't lie in my brain being wrong, but my body having developed in ways I dislike.

    I am pretty sure I like this from my stand point as a therapist as well. Even the best intentioned therapists I have met will have elements of "are you trans enough" strewn throughout some of their stuff. Not because of a desire to test people but out of a desire to protect their license which is just cowardice to me. Moving it away from a mental state at all moves it out of the realm of shit we should have on our professional plate which makes me happy.

    I see zero reason to treat it any differently than typical plastic surgery. You don't need a therapists to sign off on a typical boob job so why the fuck are we suddenly pulled in for this? Don't get me wrong, I get why for the individual it is a much bigger deal than like a typical nose job. Clinically it really doesn't register though in a much different way. At best you could compare it to a vasectomy. I would say hysterectomy as well but that opens up a similar but distinctly different type of bullshit.

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  • MichaelLCMichaelLC In what furnace was thy brain? ChicagoRegistered User regular
    Gnizmo wrote: »
    MichaelLC wrote: »
    Just to briefly unlurk, a friend works at a company that recently classified gender dysphoria as a physical condition - not mental - where treatment is often surgery.

    That...sounds like a good thing?

    Hum. I am trying to think through this as it relates to my personal and professional stuff. I can't sort my thoughts on this perfectly personally. I think I like it? It appears to be moving in the direction I generally like. Treating it as a physical condition rather than mental one makes sense to me at least. My problem doesn't lie in my brain being wrong, but my body having developed in ways I dislike.

    I am pretty sure I like this from my stand point as a therapist as well. Even the best intentioned therapists I have met will have elements of "are you trans enough" strewn throughout some of their stuff. Not because of a desire to test people but out of a desire to protect their license which is just cowardice to me. Moving it away from a mental state at all moves it out of the realm of shit we should have on our professional plate which makes me happy.

    I see zero reason to treat it any differently than typical plastic surgery. You don't need a therapists to sign off on a typical boob job so why the fuck are we suddenly pulled in for this? Don't get me wrong, I get why for the individual it is a much bigger deal than like a typical nose job. Clinically it really doesn't register though in a much different way. At best you could compare it to a vasectomy. I would say hysterectomy as well but that opens up a similar but distinctly different type of bullshit.

    Yeah I think considering it a physical condition means the brain is 'right' but your body is 'wrong' - just like any cosmetic or other surgery.

    Just wanted to share, thought it was a good clinical way to look at it. This is for insurance purposes, so probably the real reason is a few surgeries are cheaper than a lifetime of therapy .

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  • initiatefailureinitiatefailure Registered User regular
    My introduction to a/b/o was watching several hours of Lindsey Ellis videos explaining some frankly absurd legal drama stemming from omegaverse authors that seemed to be building up to a major scotus copywrite case and then died off because the person behind all the drama just never actually showed up to court.

    But really, by main problem with that whole genre is it propping up debunked wolf science and I won't stand for it!

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  • ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    Meanwhile my only real interactions with A/B/O has been either furry stuff (okay, well, specifically Werewolf, but technically that was my LARP character) ... and PUA bullshit.

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  • PirateQueenPirateQueen Registered User regular
    When you put it like that, it makes perfect sense @Gnizmo
    I wish mental health experts like you were heard and listened to in the Bell v Tavistock case and we wouldn't be in this mess...
    MichaelLC wrote: »
    the brain is 'right' but your body is 'wrong'
    I really like that summary - I think that should go in the DSM!

    My introduction to a/b/o was watching several hours of Lindsey Ellis videos explaining some frankly absurd legal drama stemming from omegaverse authors that seemed to be building up to a major scotus copywrite case and then died off because the person behind all the drama just never actually showed up to court.
    Wait... Lindsay Ellis is no longer getting sued by that omegaverse chick?
    Aww.... but that was so hilarious to watch....
    But really, by main problem with that whole genre is it propping up debunked wolf science and I won't stand for it!
    LOL
    Next time a friend sends me an A/B/O fic I don't want to read, I'll be like "This is unscientific! How dare you!" : D

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