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E3 is over. Start your GOTY speculation

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  • MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    I don't think FF7 Remake gets finished

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  • el_vicioel_vicio Registered User regular
    https://www.wired.com/story/e3-2019-female-representation-videogames/

    I would really like to know more about their method and datapoints, but as a general thing this might be interesting to people

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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    MegaMan001 wrote: »
    I don't think FF7 Remake gets finished

    If nothing else, Square Enix will finish a project even when they probably shouldn't

    It may take them like twelve years, but goddamnit they'll do it

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    they'll finish the first one but the rest of it is definitely in question

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Simultaneously proving how completely inept the presentation was while also making the game seem like less of a complete disaster in terms of what it actually is:

    Crystal Dynamics has confirmed that the main story campaign of Avengers is entirely single player with no online capabilities.

    The multiplayer is available in side stories and separate missions that will follow their own storylines, but not be necessary for the core story of the game.

    Which is not at ALL what that presentation was presenting but sounds a lot more reasonable as a project

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  • el_vicioel_vicio Registered User regular
    That makes the game look even worse imo, assuming it was the campaign they were showing off

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  • OlivawOlivaw good name, isn't it? the foot of mt fujiRegistered User regular
    That sounds a lot like a Mass Effect/Dragon Age approach to multiplayer, which is what I wanted to begin with and would play a lot of

    So sure

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  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    just throw in the following line before you start talking about the multiplayer: "But we know that the best stories are about heroes working together to overcome incredible odds. That's why, in addition to the incredible singleplayer campaign, we will have a fully-featured multiplayer experience for you and four friends to blah blah blah"

    makes it very clear that even if that game isn't actually coming in hot, that presentation sure was

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    Veldrin wrote: »
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    Athenor wrote: »
    Yeah
    What I gathered was that it was the second biggest tonal dissonance between public trailer and actual game ( with #1 being murder twins' European Tour). I don't know if that is a faith thing or what.

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    Yeah. You can see it on Jeff's face during the conference, and then when he talks about it after the embargo lifts, but the actual game's tone is what you would expect from an 80s romp through Europe, killing nazis. In other words, very over the top and funny, unlike the press conference.

    Maybe I missed something, but the trailer stuff they showed in the Bethesda conference seemed pretty upbeat and goofy to me??

    The E3 trailer felt very generic action game trailer to me, especially compared to the story trailer they put out a few months ago.

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  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    Jeff was not alone in saying that what they showed of the game at the show was incongruous with that trailer on several levels

  • VeldrinVeldrin Sham bam bamina Registered User regular
    Huh, ok yeah, I have no idea what I was remembering then

  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    This month on Words and Deeds, Brooks and Eddy try to determine which members of FOXHOUND have seen Austin Powers by the time of the Shadow Moses Incident

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  • TheStigTheStig Registered User regular
    FF7r prediction: the game be liked and sell well, but it will fail to sell 3 billion copies as SE predicts and they will deem it a failure. They will massively cut back the funding for the remaining parts and what would be 2-3 more parts will now be 1 with a low budget reusing a ton of assets and blitzing through the story.

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  • LasbrookLasbrook It takes a lot to make a stew When it comes to me and youRegistered User regular
    I didn’t even go to E3 but staying up for the night shows still caused me to do into an Odin sleep last night for like 12-13 hours.

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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    TheStig wrote: »
    FF7r prediction: the game be liked and sell well, but it will fail to sell 3 billion copies as SE predicts and they will deem it a failure. They will massively cut back the funding for the remaining parts and what would be 2-3 more parts will now be 1 with a low budget reusing a ton of assets and blitzing through the story.

    SE only does that to it's Western studios

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  • Death of RatsDeath of Rats Registered User regular
    FFVIIr is pretty much exactly what I've wanted them to do for a remake. But I've also pretty much ignored all their games besides Kingdom Hearts since FF8, so it really doesn't bother me that they're not working on anything else.

    No I don't.
  • Werewolf2000adWerewolf2000ad Suckers, I know exactly what went wrong. Registered User regular
    Still laughing every time I remember how everyone pre-E3 was expecting Avengers to be the blockbuster of the show and FFVII to be a massive disappointment.

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    Also, holy shit they showed off a Blair Witch game in 2019. Remember that?
    It's weird because there's people who are definitely adults now but born after Blair Witch Project came out and they'd never heard of it, but there was a Blair Witch film in 2016.

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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    My expectations for FF7R were
    1) They would ditch the episodic structure because I think pretty much every publisher has declared that concept a dead end
    2) It would totally miss the PS4 and end up on the next generation
    3) It would have bad gameplay like literally every other SE action RPG

    So, in fairness, they kind of did ditch the episodic model, insofar as they are just selling multiple full games.

    The other two points I will take an L on, though.
    Maybe, it's still not out yet and it could get delayed into god knows when. By all accounts the combat feels very good though, which is frankly astonishing to me.

  • HobnailHobnail Registered User regular
    Henroid wrote: »
    Also, holy shit they showed off a Blair Witch game in 2019. Remember that?
    It's weird because there's people who are definitely adults now but born after Blair Witch Project came out and they'd never heard of it, but there was a Blair Witch film in 2016.

    A notably terrible film disavowed even by its director, HOWEVER it made 42 million domestically on a 5 million budget so fuck it let er rip I spose

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    Maddoc wrote: »
    TheStig wrote: »
    FF7r prediction: the game be liked and sell well, but it will fail to sell 3 billion copies as SE predicts and they will deem it a failure. They will massively cut back the funding for the remaining parts and what would be 2-3 more parts will now be 1 with a low budget reusing a ton of assets and blitzing through the story.

    SE only does that to it's Western studios
    It's even more sinister than that. Some years ago during a share holder conference thinger, Square disclosed how they handle sales projections. Say they expect a game to sell 3.5 million copies in x amount of time. The game will hit and even 2 million; not only will they deem it a failure, but then the 1.5 million gap will get tacked on to the sales expectations of the NEXT game.

    They did this to the Tomb Raider reboot. It launched at the start of March 2013, and by the end of March it sold over 3 million copies (the first million were like the first day or so). It was a pretty big success by conventional reasoning and for the series it was the highest selling title, but Square actually had the balls to say it was not a success and didn't reach internal projections. If memory serves right, they expected 7 million copies sold in the first month. All because of how they handle internal projections.

    It's been some years and I dunno if they still operate this way. I hope to hell not.

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  • GustavGustav Friend of Goats Somewhere in the OzarksRegistered User regular
    I thought Wingard and Barrett stood by Blair Witch despite the response

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  • HobnailHobnail Registered User regular
    I thought I recalled an interview with Wingard where the interviewer mocked the terribleness of the Blair Witch and he just nods sadly but I think lots of stuff

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    The first season of Marble Hornets is, IMO, the pinnacle of the amateur found-footage genre.

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  • WACriminalWACriminal Dying Is Easy, Young Man Living Is HarderRegistered User regular
    Man, how did I miss the Griftlands announcement? New Klei game!

  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    I don't think I'm taking a huge risk by saying that I expect the FF7 Remake to be a pretty huge success. If they don't follow it up, I very much doubt that it'll be because the first episode didn't sell.

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  • KarlKarl Registered User regular
    How much of ff7r is the first episode going to be?

  • SnicketysnickSnicketysnick The Greatest Hype Man in WesterosRegistered User regular
    Dunno yet but speculation puts it ending at the Midgar escape/before Kalm

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  • NeveronNeveron HellValleySkyTree SwedenRegistered User regular
    Karl wrote: »
    How much of ff7r is the first episode going to be?

    Probably just Midgar.

  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    I think they stated it would all be Midgar

  • wanderingwandering Russia state-affiliated media Registered User regular
    Blair Witch Project is a good movie tho

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  • MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    I like the FF7 Remake strategy. The combat looks like FXV which I had a lot of fun with but I hope there's a big emphasis on special attacks and materia junctions because I don't just want to be melee and dodging I wanna use summons all the time and magic and death blow.

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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    You attack when you hit the button, so it's definitely not FFXV combat

    Also people said it feels good, so that's more evidence

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    They have shown nothing from the latter part of Midgar is what worries me.

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  • ph blakeph blake Registered User regular
    They have shown nothing from the latter part of Midgar is what worries me.

    They showed the Shinra building lobby, which was pretty late in midgar iirc.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    yeah they showed bits in the sewers after wall market and a scene in the shinra building in the E3 footage tifa was in

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  • Care Free BombCare Free Bomb Registered User regular
    Karl wrote: »
    How much of ff7r is the first episode going to be?



    I'm guessing it'll end with the party leaving Midgar and a sweeping prerendered cutscene of the outside world

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  • SiliconStewSiliconStew Registered User regular

    The game has already suffered a complete failure of project management. Got it.

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  • ChicoBlueChicoBlue Registered User regular
    Perhaps the real Final Fantasy is the fantasy of VII remake's completion.

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  • augustaugust where you come from is gone Registered User regular
    My prediction:

    The first game comes out and it’s good. A significant amount of people feel burned because they didn’t know it was episodic, because they don’t follow game news and nothing in the game’s title or packaging indicates such.

    Three years later the next episode comes out and it’s mediocre and people don’t care anymore and it sells poorly.

    Then episode three never gets made, although they keep on saying they’re working on it for like a decade.

    But then again they managed to make three damn FFXIII games so what the fuck do I know.

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