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  • AlphaRomeroAlphaRomero Registered User regular
    Kingpin works because he operates as a legitimate businessman. The heroes know he is a criminal but they can't prove it and they can't act against him until they do because they operate within the law and he doesn't.

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  • FANTOMASFANTOMAS Flan ArgentavisRegistered User regular
    Kingpin works because he operates as a legitimate businessman. The heroes know he is a criminal but they can't prove it and they can't act against him until they do because they operate within the law and he doesn't.

    Most heroes, if not all opeate outside the law, since they are mostly vigilantes. I think the difference is in their moral compass and not in the legality of their actions. Like, its probably illegal to just fly around massive cities without permits, or swing from building to building in downtown NY. (or hunting and assaulting criminals)

  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    FANTOMAS wrote: »
    Kingpin works because he operates as a legitimate businessman. The heroes know he is a criminal but they can't prove it and they can't act against him until they do because they operate within the law and he doesn't.

    Most heroes, if not all opeate outside the law, since they are mostly vigilantes. I think the difference is in their moral compass and not in the legality of their actions. Like, its probably illegal to just fly around massive cities without permits, or swing from building to building in downtown NY. (or hunting and assaulting criminals)

    You know, flying around probably falls into a blind spot in the law if you have no machines involved, though web swinging can be caught under vandalism.

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    Polaritie wrote: »
    FANTOMAS wrote: »
    Kingpin works because he operates as a legitimate businessman. The heroes know he is a criminal but they can't prove it and they can't act against him until they do because they operate within the law and he doesn't.

    Most heroes, if not all opeate outside the law, since they are mostly vigilantes. I think the difference is in their moral compass and not in the legality of their actions. Like, its probably illegal to just fly around massive cities without permits, or swing from building to building in downtown NY. (or hunting and assaulting criminals)

    You know, flying around probably falls into a blind spot in the law if you have no machines involved, though web swinging can be caught under vandalism.

    Spidey's webbing dissolves in a couple hours, so it would be about the same as charging kids with vandalism for using chalk on the sidewalk. Even more ridiculous, really, since the webbing doesn't even need rain or snow or something to wash it away.

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  • That_GuyThat_Guy I don't wanna be that guy Registered User regular
    Polaritie wrote: »
    FANTOMAS wrote: »
    Kingpin works because he operates as a legitimate businessman. The heroes know he is a criminal but they can't prove it and they can't act against him until they do because they operate within the law and he doesn't.

    Most heroes, if not all opeate outside the law, since they are mostly vigilantes. I think the difference is in their moral compass and not in the legality of their actions. Like, its probably illegal to just fly around massive cities without permits, or swing from building to building in downtown NY. (or hunting and assaulting criminals)

    You know, flying around probably falls into a blind spot in the law if you have no machines involved, though web swinging can be caught under vandalism.

    Spidey's webbing dissolves in a couple hours, so it would be about the same as charging kids with vandalism for using chalk on the sidewalk. Even more ridiculous, really, since the webbing doesn't even need rain or snow or something to wash it away.

    Oh and we're just going to take his word for it? How do we know that this so-called Super HERO isn't just leaving his webbing for the police to clean up later? How toxic is that freak's webbing anyway? How many cases of cancer can be attributed to Spiderman? He's a menace, I tell you. Not to be trusted.

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  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    Yeah. Kingpin has been semi-super powered for a long time now but I've always thought it stupid and playing to the worst aspects of comic books. Kingpin is not the sort of villain you defeat with a punch. Similarly, you don't really care if he's across the table from you, because physical harm is the very least of his tools. His threat is in the scope of his ability to change your world and undermine the everyday life that anchors you.

    Reducing him to a guy that needs to be punched harder than normal is missing the point entirely.

    This was the biggest weakness of the Netflix shows in general. Luke Cage in particular had a pretty large dissonance because of their need to have a "big bad" that could physically go toe-to-toe with the hero, but all of the shows suffered from this to some degree. Iron Fist was also pretty bad, but Iron Fist was just bad all around, so in that case it's like pointing out that my dog's pubic hairs are brown when he's brown all over.

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  • TOGSolidTOGSolid Drunk sailor Seattle, WashingtonRegistered User regular
    The ideal Iron Man game people keep describing sounds like what we really need is the Armored Core devs to take a crack at it.

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  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
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    I love Armored Core, though the last few haven't been great imo. I miss the days of 2 and 3.

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    Getting offtopic, but Daemon x Machina on the Switch was by a lot of the old AC devs and was received pretty well.

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  • ZekZek Registered User regular
    FANTOMAS wrote: »
    Kingpin works because he operates as a legitimate businessman. The heroes know he is a criminal but they can't prove it and they can't act against him until they do because they operate within the law and he doesn't.

    Most heroes, if not all opeate outside the law, since they are mostly vigilantes. I think the difference is in their moral compass and not in the legality of their actions. Like, its probably illegal to just fly around massive cities without permits, or swing from building to building in downtown NY. (or hunting and assaulting criminals)

    The difference with a "legitimate" villain like Kingpin is that he won't stay arrested. The heroes can go vigilante and bust up his operations, but they have no power over Kingpin if the police won't arrest him or the courts won't convict him.

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  • TOGSolidTOGSolid Drunk sailor Seattle, WashingtonRegistered User regular
    edited November 30
    Yup, what makes him a huge threat is he knows how to cover his tracks and buys/ blackmail off who he has has to.

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  • That_GuyThat_Guy I don't wanna be that guy Registered User regular
    How dare you besmirch the name of Wilson Fisk. He is a philanthropist and community leader. You can't believe the lies the masked CRIMINAL vigilantes tell about this fine upstanding citizen. You guys should read the Daily Bugle instead of the BIG HERO propaganda.

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  • GdiguyGdiguy San Diego, CARegistered User regular
    Black Widow trailer is up:

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  • Dark Raven XDark Raven X Laugh hard, run fast, be kindRegistered User regular
    mirror match fight is cool.

    That skydiving sequence, oof, I dunno man. Was expecting this one to be a little more grounded.

    Hueh.

    Red Guardian looks p.dumb, in a fun way.

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  • HeatwaveHeatwave Come, now, and walk the path of explosions with me!Registered User regular
    A Black Widow movie after Endgame?

    Oh Snap

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  • Dark Raven XDark Raven X Laugh hard, run fast, be kindRegistered User regular
    It's probably set after Civil War, before Infinity War. So we could also get Cap and Falcon cameos...

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  • HappylilElfHappylilElf Registered User regular
    Gdiguy wrote: »
    Black Widow trailer is up:


    Looks great.

    Definitely going to see it.

    Should have been made three years ago.

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  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    If this is where they are heading with Phase 4, I'm onboard 110%. But I agree, it sucks that stupid sexism prevented this from being a P3 movie.

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  • daveNYCdaveNYC Why universe hate Waspinator? Registered User regular
    Athenor wrote: »
    If this is where they are heading with Phase 4, I'm onboard 110%. But I agree, it sucks that stupid sexism prevented this from being a P3 movie.

    I think Phase Two would have been a better spot for it. Put it after Winter Soldier to take advantage of Widow's pretty major role in that movie. Phase Three was pretty crowded (ten movies vs. six in Phase Two, though two of those are IW and Endgame) and a good chunk of them were setting things up for Infinity War, so I think a Black Widow prequel/origin movie would have been a little out of place there.

    Then have a Phase Four movie where Gamora and Widow team up to deal with whatever weirdness happens to people who sacrifice themselves to get the Soul Stone, because continuity be damned I think those two characters working together would make for an entertaining movie.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    daveNYC wrote: »
    Athenor wrote: »
    If this is where they are heading with Phase 4, I'm onboard 110%. But I agree, it sucks that stupid sexism prevented this from being a P3 movie.

    I think Phase Two would have been a better spot for it. Put it after Winter Soldier to take advantage of Widow's pretty major role in that movie. Phase Three was pretty crowded (ten movies vs. six in Phase Two, though two of those are IW and Endgame) and a good chunk of them were setting things up for Infinity War, so I think a Black Widow prequel/origin movie would have been a little out of place there.

    Then have a Phase Four movie where Gamora and Widow team up to deal with whatever weirdness happens to people who sacrifice themselves to get the Soul Stone, because continuity be damned I think those two characters working together would make for an entertaining movie.

    It should absolutely been made right after Winter Soldier.

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  • evilthecatevilthecat Registered User regular
    daveNYC wrote: »
    Athenor wrote: »
    If this is where they are heading with Phase 4, I'm onboard 110%. But I agree, it sucks that stupid sexism prevented this from being a P3 movie.

    I think Phase Two would have been a better spot for it. Put it after Winter Soldier to take advantage of Widow's pretty major role in that movie. Phase Three was pretty crowded (ten movies vs. six in Phase Two, though two of those are IW and Endgame) and a good chunk of them were setting things up for Infinity War, so I think a Black Widow prequel/origin movie would have been a little out of place there.

    Then have a Phase Four movie where Gamora and Widow team up to deal with whatever weirdness happens to people who sacrifice themselves to get the Soul Stone, because continuity be damned I think those two characters working together would make for an entertaining movie.

    They're the same character. It would be dull as fuuuuuuuuck.
    You need someone to offset the grimdark seriousness both those characters exude.

    Also that trailer did nothing for me.

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  • daveNYCdaveNYC Why universe hate Waspinator? Registered User regular
    evilthecat wrote: »
    daveNYC wrote: »
    Athenor wrote: »
    If this is where they are heading with Phase 4, I'm onboard 110%. But I agree, it sucks that stupid sexism prevented this from being a P3 movie.

    I think Phase Two would have been a better spot for it. Put it after Winter Soldier to take advantage of Widow's pretty major role in that movie. Phase Three was pretty crowded (ten movies vs. six in Phase Two, though two of those are IW and Endgame) and a good chunk of them were setting things up for Infinity War, so I think a Black Widow prequel/origin movie would have been a little out of place there.

    Then have a Phase Four movie where Gamora and Widow team up to deal with whatever weirdness happens to people who sacrifice themselves to get the Soul Stone, because continuity be damned I think those two characters working together would make for an entertaining movie.

    They're the same character. It would be dull as fuuuuuuuuck.
    You need someone to offset the grimdark seriousness both those characters exude.

    Also that trailer did nothing for me.

    Same rough origin, a shitty upbringing that trained them as weapons. There's still more than enough difference between them to mine for some good interactions. Widow is a sneaky spy with soft skills, whose never gone off planet, and is burned out from spending five years holding the Earth together, while Gamora is a galactic traveler, punch things in the face warrior, who is still going to be raw at the idea that Thanos can 'love' her while still lobbing her off a cliff.

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  • Shazkar ShadowstormShazkar Shadowstorm Registered User regular
    I mean, I’m in just for David Harbour tbh

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  • Dark Raven XDark Raven X Laugh hard, run fast, be kindRegistered User regular
    People can love tools. Remember that guy in GotG, with his favourite knife? Same deal.

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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    Well, I guess now we know what happened to Jim Hopper in Kamchatka.

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  • Mild ConfusionMild Confusion Smash All Things Registered User regular
    I’m assuming this is an MCU prequel, as in before Iron Man 1, back when Natasha was still an assassin.

    There’s a masked bow and arrow guy that’s gotta be Clint. If it is him, then the movie can’t take place between Ultron and Endgame, since he was either retired, jailed, house arrested, or a vigilante during that period.

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  • reVersereVerse Registered User regular
    Pretty sure this takes places after Civil War.

    The masked guy is Taskmaster.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    I am gonna be severely disappointed if Taskmaster doesn't do weird shit like copy Spider-man's agility or move in fast-forward time.

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  • Dark Raven XDark Raven X Laugh hard, run fast, be kindRegistered User regular
    I assume he's already fought Hawkguy, and is using that against Nat for laughs.

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  • ChaosHatChaosHat HelloooooooooRegistered User regular
    daveNYC wrote: »
    evilthecat wrote: »
    daveNYC wrote: »
    Athenor wrote: »
    If this is where they are heading with Phase 4, I'm onboard 110%. But I agree, it sucks that stupid sexism prevented this from being a P3 movie.

    I think Phase Two would have been a better spot for it. Put it after Winter Soldier to take advantage of Widow's pretty major role in that movie. Phase Three was pretty crowded (ten movies vs. six in Phase Two, though two of those are IW and Endgame) and a good chunk of them were setting things up for Infinity War, so I think a Black Widow prequel/origin movie would have been a little out of place there.

    Then have a Phase Four movie where Gamora and Widow team up to deal with whatever weirdness happens to people who sacrifice themselves to get the Soul Stone, because continuity be damned I think those two characters working together would make for an entertaining movie.

    They're the same character. It would be dull as fuuuuuuuuck.
    You need someone to offset the grimdark seriousness both those characters exude.

    Also that trailer did nothing for me.

    Same rough origin, a shitty upbringing that trained them as weapons. There's still more than enough difference between them to mine for some good interactions. Widow is a sneaky spy with soft skills, whose never gone off planet, and is burned out from spending five years holding the Earth together, while Gamora is a galactic traveler, punch things in the face warrior, who is still going to be raw at the idea that Thanos can 'love' her while still lobbing her off a cliff.

    The problem isn't what their skillset is, it's how their personalities are. They're super straight forward no nonsense characters. It'd be like saying the perfect compliment to your vanilla ice cream is vanilla bean ice cream.

    I mean Widow is a little more jokey and you could play with that some but overall they fulfill similar character niches.

  • XeddicusXeddicus Registered User regular
    Bring Widow back or its all fan fiction, Marvel you hacks!

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  • Brainiac 8Brainiac 8 Don't call me Shirley... Registered User regular
    I’m assuming this is an MCU prequel, as in before Iron Man 1, back when Natasha was still an assassin.

    There’s a masked bow and arrow guy that’s gotta be Clint. If it is him, then the movie can’t take place between Ultron and Endgame, since he was either retired, jailed, house arrested, or a vigilante during that period.

    I'm assuming it takes place either after Winter Soldier or Civil War. The masked guy is Taskmaster and I really cannot wait to see how they do his photographic reflexes ability.

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    Brainiac 8 wrote: »
    I’m assuming this is an MCU prequel, as in before Iron Man 1, back when Natasha was still an assassin.

    There’s a masked bow and arrow guy that’s gotta be Clint. If it is him, then the movie can’t take place between Ultron and Endgame, since he was either retired, jailed, house arrested, or a vigilante during that period.

    I'm assuming it takes place either after Winter Soldier or Civil War. The masked guy is Taskmaster and I really cannot wait to see how they do his photographic reflexes ability.

    If they don't do something like this scene: http://images.flyingstove.com/galleries/munkusmegamayhem/badass.jpg

    Then the movie has failed me.

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  • NinjeffNinjeff Registered User regular
    I......
    Actually wasnt super jazzed at that trailer.

    Which sucks, because ScarJo is my fave, and i genuinely love Black Widow and the spy genre. So I was really really hoping this would be a slam dunk for me.
    It felt a little contrived and I'm curious as to why you'd open with "Before this I had nothing" (speaking about the Avengers) and then proceed to show a sister! and a Dad figure! and is that a Mom?! Wacky super hero costumes! Fun sky dives! Weeeeeeee

    Which.....just isnt what i want from my Black Widow trailer. I want intrigue and spy craft and assassination and twists and i want to see why the Avengers fam is so important to her, and i want to see the red in that ledger.

    Instead it just looked like an action movie.


    I mean, MCU has my faith thus far, and I'll be there opening night with bells on regardless. But i was hoping for more.

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  • ChaosHatChaosHat HelloooooooooRegistered User regular
    The timing of it in the continuity is a little weird. I would have expected it to be the "before I got picked up by SHIELD" story instead of where they did slot it.

  • NinjeffNinjeff Registered User regular
    Co worker brought up that all of this could occur in a different reality. Where she has to put her "family" back together.

  • ZekZek Registered User regular
    Ninjeff wrote: »
    Co worker brought up that all of this could occur in a different reality. Where she has to put her "family" back together.

    I don't think they're going there in the movies. I expect them to maintain a coherent timeline for moviegoers. Alternate universe silliness is what they're doing in D+.

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  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    Zek wrote: »
    Ninjeff wrote: »
    Co worker brought up that all of this could occur in a different reality. Where she has to put her "family" back together.

    I don't think they're going there in the movies. I expect them to maintain a coherent timeline for moviegoers. Alternate universe silliness is what they're doing in D+.

    You mean until the Dr. Strange in the Multiverse of madness (or whatever the title was) confirms that Mysterio's cover story was actually accurate, right? :)

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  • NinjeffNinjeff Registered User regular
    Zek wrote: »
    Ninjeff wrote: »
    Co worker brought up that all of this could occur in a different reality. Where she has to put her "family" back together.

    I don't think they're going there in the movies. I expect them to maintain a coherent timeline for moviegoers. Alternate universe silliness is what they're doing in D+.

    I agree.
    Interesting premise though. Being trapped in the Soul Stone and having to right wrongs to get out.

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  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    Ninjeff wrote: »
    Zek wrote: »
    Ninjeff wrote: »
    Co worker brought up that all of this could occur in a different reality. Where she has to put her "family" back together.

    I don't think they're going there in the movies. I expect them to maintain a coherent timeline for moviegoers. Alternate universe silliness is what they're doing in D+.

    I agree.
    Interesting premise though. Being trapped in the Soul Stone and having to right wrongs to get out. make the leap home.

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