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  • ElvenshaeElvenshae Registered User regular
    Nah, he probably took it out of something nobody in the military needs, like the medical services or retirement.

    ... or fixing the mold problems in on-base housing.

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    Elvenshae wrote: »
    Nah, he probably took it out of something nobody in the military needs, like the medical services or retirement.

    ... or fixing the mold problems in on-base housing.

    Eh, what's the worst that could happen, someone gets a headache?

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  • Man in the MistsMan in the Mists Registered User regular
    New York Times: Border Patrol Will Deploy Elite Tactical Agents to Sanctuary Cities

    Yet another "Oh shit" moment caused by an unchained Trump.

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  • Metzger MeisterMetzger Meister Registered User regular
    Well that sounds ominous.

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    New York Times: Border Patrol Will Deploy Elite Tactical Agents to Sanctuary Cities

    Yet another "Oh shit" moment caused by an unchained Trump.

    I wonder when they're gonna start simply murdering people they think are illegals

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  • MeeqeMeeqe Lord of the pants most fancy Someplace amazingRegistered User regular
    Approximately 2 years ago.

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  • autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    Meeqe wrote: »
    Approximately 2 years ago.

    Well, the concentration camp murder had started, but Gestapo wasn't running around murdering people in the streets in broad daylight yet.

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  • SiliconStewSiliconStew Registered User regular
    Meeqe wrote: »
    Approximately 2 years ago.

    Well, the concentration camp murder had started, but Gestapo wasn't running around murdering people in the streets in broad daylight yet.

    Yeah, murdering unarmed people in the streets is the police's job.

    Just remember that half the people you meet are below average intelligence.
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  • Monkey Ball WarriorMonkey Ball Warrior A collection of mediocre hats Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited February 15
    What gets my goat is that they are purporting to penalize localities and justify it simply by them not wanting to spend resources doing the federal government's job for them.

    It would be like suing a city because it refused to perform the census. Not for blocking census workers or something, but just for not spending the resources and manhours to perform the census itself. Because of course a city or state isn't going to do that; it isn't their responsibility and they have more pressing issues to attend to.

    I don't know how someone can profess to be conservative and then be totally okay with such a heavy hand by the federal government. I mean I do get it, they're being completely hypocritical. But this whole mess is just astounding.

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  • HydropoloHydropolo Registered User regular

    Yeah, murdering unarmed people in the streets is the police's job.

    Why do you think the cops wanted ICE to stop wearing the POLICE badge on their stuff.

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar Audio Game Developer Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    What gets my goat is that they are purporting to penalize localities and justify it simply by them not wanting to spend resources doing the federal government's job for them.

    It would be like suing a city because it refused to perform the census. Not for blocking census workers or something, but just for not spending the resources and manhours to perform the census itself. Because of course a city or state isn't going to do that; it isn't their responsibility and they have more pressing issues to attend to.

    I don't know how someone can profess to be conservative and then be totally okay with such a heavy hand by the federal government. I mean I do get it, they're being completely hypocritical. But this whole mess is just astounding.

    Conservatives have never cared about states rights.

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  • Monkey Ball WarriorMonkey Ball Warrior A collection of mediocre hats Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited February 15
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    What gets my goat is that they are purporting to penalize localities and justify it simply by them not wanting to spend resources doing the federal government's job for them.

    It would be like suing a city because it refused to perform the census. Not for blocking census workers or something, but just for not spending the resources and manhours to perform the census itself. Because of course a city or state isn't going to do that; it isn't their responsibility and they have more pressing issues to attend to.

    I don't know how someone can profess to be conservative and then be totally okay with such a heavy hand by the federal government. I mean I do get it, they're being completely hypocritical. But this whole mess is just astounding.

    Conservatives have never cared about states rights.

    If there's one thing that has been driven home to me in the past few years, is that my definition of that term, and the way most people who continue to self describe as such seem to define it, are almost completely different.

    EDIT: I'm talking about "conservative" not "state's rights". The latter term is super loaded and I refuse to use it in a sentence because it is basically a dogwhistle. I prefer to say "Municipal Autonomy" because I care more about the state staying out of the city's business than I care about the feds staying out of the state's business... though in the end I care about both quite a bit.

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus premium Registered User regular
    "States rights" has always been a euphemism for "we should be able to oppress those we don't like regardless of what you say."

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar Audio Game Developer Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    "States rights" has always been a euphemism for "we should be able to oppress those we don't like regardless of what you say."

    It basically comes down to the desire for a pyramidal power structure where they happen to be on the upper half.

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    Okay, going to cut slightly against the thrust of the thread here. This is the point of sanctuary cities. Local law enforcement will not spend money doing immigration enforcement, so the natural step would be for the federal government to do their own jobs, which will mean more funding for enforcement in those cities.

    Now, sending in the task force intended to deal with smugglers is a misappropriation of resources, and that also doesn't forgive other tactics used (going into courthouses, etc), but like... sending more enforcers to those areas is the EXPECTED reaction to local police not policing federal immigration laws.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited February 15
    The Point of sanctuary city policy is you can’t police a population where no one will talk to you

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited February 15
    The Point of sanctuary city policy is you can’t police a population where no one will talk to you

    It also doesn't prevent the deportation of convicted violent criminals. It mostly just makes traffic stops and witness reports easier because people don't have to worry about losing their livelihood if they interact with a beat cop.

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    moniker wrote: »
    The Point of sanctuary city policy is you can’t police a population where no one will talk to you

    It also doesn't prevent the deportation of convicted violent criminals. It mostly just makes traffic stops and witness reports easier because people don't have to worry about losing their livelihood if they interact with a bear cop.

    I realize you probably meant to type "beat cop", but that is one heck of an image.

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    moniker wrote: »
    The Point of sanctuary city policy is you can’t police a population where no one will talk to you

    It also doesn't prevent the deportation of convicted violent criminals. It mostly just makes traffic stops and witness reports easier because people don't have to worry about losing their livelihood if they interact with a bear cop.

    I realize you probably meant to type "beat cop", but that is one heck of an image.

    Though not the one I expected! y64e4d37msdb.jpg

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  • KetBraKetBra FISTS OF JUSTICE! Registered User regular
    The US to begin using SWAT teams for routine deportations.

    New York Times reporter:

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  • Martini_PhilosopherMartini_Philosopher Registered User regular
    KetBra wrote: »
    The US to begin using SWAT teams for routine deportations.

    New York Times reporter:

    Totally normal behavior here. Just go on your way, citizen. Nothing to see. ICE is your friend. You will report any communists or socialists. Stay away from foreign nationals. They will infect you.

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  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    When do the inevitable shootouts between ICE and local police because one pulled a gun on the other?

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    When the local cop is not white

    Possibly plainclothes

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    I know my last visit to my grandpa on his deathbed was to find out how the whole Nazi werewolf thing turned out.
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  • MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    You know what? I'm beginning to think that this Administration might not be completely sincere about it's immigration policy.


    ""We are desperate -- desperate -- for more people," Mulvaney said during private speech in London. "We are running out of people to fuel the economic growth that we’ve had in our nation over the last four years. We need more immigrants.” w/@nickmiroff:"
    *link to a WaPo article*
    - Josh Dawsey (and Nick Miroff) is a reporter for the Washington Post.

    Seems like they're NOT opposed to all immigration. Just certain types of immigration. From certain countries.

    If I didn't know any better, I'd think that this Administration is a touch racist.

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    MorganV wrote: »
    You know what? I'm beginning to think that this Administration might not be completely sincere about it's immigration policy.


    ""We are desperate -- desperate -- for more people," Mulvaney said during private speech in London. "We are running out of people to fuel the economic growth that we’ve had in our nation over the last four years. We need more immigrants.” w/@nickmiroff:"
    *link to a WaPo article*
    - Josh Dawsey (and Nick Miroff) is a reporter for the Washington Post.

    Seems like they're NOT opposed to all immigration. Just certain types of immigration. From certain countries.

    If I didn't know any better, I'd think that this Administration is a touch racist.

    Except they've cut legal immigration, even for the 'right' kind of people, waaaaaaay down too, so, no. They really are just xenophobic dickweeds.

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  • Marty81Marty81 Registered User regular
    Is there audio? Please tell me there's audio.

  • VishNubVishNub Registered User regular
    MorganV wrote: »
    You know what? I'm beginning to think that this Administration might not be completely sincere about it's immigration policy.


    ""We are desperate -- desperate -- for more people," Mulvaney said during private speech in London. "We are running out of people to fuel the economic growth that we’ve had in our nation over the last four years. We need more immigrants.” w/@nickmiroff:"
    *link to a WaPo article*
    - Josh Dawsey (and Nick Miroff) is a reporter for the Washington Post.

    Seems like they're NOT opposed to all immigration. Just certain types of immigration. From certain countries.

    If I didn't know any better, I'd think that this Administration is a touch racist.

    I just can't imagine why immigration might be down over the last four years. What could possibly have caused that?????

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    https://www.newsweek.com/judge-says-conditions-us-border-holding-cells-violated-constitution-monumental-ruling-1488281
    A federal judge in Arizona has ruled that conditions at U.S. border holding cells operated by the U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency violated the Constitution.

    In a case first launched in 2015 over conditions at Tucson sector holding facilities, U.S. District Judge David Bury said on Wednesday that the conditions migrants and asylum seekers have had to face under CBP custody have been "substantially worse than detainees face upon commitment to either a civil immigration detention facility or even a criminal detention facility, like a jail or prison."

    "The Court finds that the conditions of detention in CBP holding cells, especially those that preclude sleep over several nights, are presumptively punitive and violate the Constitution," he said.

    The court, Bury noted, heard how plaintiffs complained of overcrowding, with cold, hard concrete floors and bench surfaces, cold temperatures, no blankets or mats and unsanitary cell conditions, precluding sleeping.

    It also heard that cell conditions were unsanitary, with a lack of waste receptacles, "insufficient housekeeping," a lack of personal hygiene products and shower facilities, as well as insufficient access to food and water.

    Bury also said the court was concerned about the lack of a universal medical questionnaire designed by medical professionals, particularly since medical screenings were being "performed by agents without any medical training."

    Noting that migrants and asylum seekers had been held in overcrowded and unsanitary conditions for longer than 12 hours, Bury said CBP was not to hold migrants and asylum seekers for more than 48 hours at its Tucson sector going forward.

    Condemning CBP for allowing migrants and asylum seekers to be forced to sleep in bathrooms in overcrowded holding areas, Bury said the practice was "unsanitary and degrading" and banned CBP from allowing it to happen again.

    "The evidence is undisputed that conditions of confinement at Tucson Sector CBP stations are substantially worse than conditions afforded criminal detainees at the Santa Cruz County jail or other jail facilities, where detainees are medically screened by medical professionals; have a bed with cloth sheets, blankets, and pillows, and an opportunity for uninterrupted sleep; have clean clothing, including second layers for warmth; showers, toothbrushes and toothpaste, and warm meals with a variety of food choices, including fruits and vegetables, accommodating food allergies and religious beliefs," Bury wrote.

    "Likewise, the conditions of confinement for civil immigration detainees similarly improve once they are transferred from CBP holding cells to detention centers operated by the United States Marshals, ICE, ERO, Health and Human Services (HHS), and other immigration detention agencies and organization," he said.

    The conditions at Tucson Sector facilities, he said, fail to meet the same standards. As such, he said, "there is a presumption that the conditions of extended confinement at the Tucson Sector facilities violate the Plaintiffs' constitutional rights."

    Note this isn't all detention centers, it's one specifically egregious case where the judge basically said "this is so bad, you either need to get them out of those conditions within 48 hours or let them go at the end of that time." However, it's also precedent that "worse than prison is violating the Constitution," at least.

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    edited February 20
    Jragghen wrote: »
    https://www.newsweek.com/judge-says-conditions-us-border-holding-cells-violated-constitution-monumental-ruling-1488281
    A federal judge in Arizona has ruled that conditions at U.S. border holding cells operated by the U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency violated the Constitution.

    In a case first launched in 2015 over conditions at Tucson sector holding facilities, U.S. District Judge David Bury said on Wednesday that the conditions migrants and asylum seekers have had to face under CBP custody have been "substantially worse than detainees face upon commitment to either a civil immigration detention facility or even a criminal detention facility, like a jail or prison."

    "The Court finds that the conditions of detention in CBP holding cells, especially those that preclude sleep over several nights, are presumptively punitive and violate the Constitution," he said.

    The court, Bury noted, heard how plaintiffs complained of overcrowding, with cold, hard concrete floors and bench surfaces, cold temperatures, no blankets or mats and unsanitary cell conditions, precluding sleeping.

    It also heard that cell conditions were unsanitary, with a lack of waste receptacles, "insufficient housekeeping," a lack of personal hygiene products and shower facilities, as well as insufficient access to food and water.

    Bury also said the court was concerned about the lack of a universal medical questionnaire designed by medical professionals, particularly since medical screenings were being "performed by agents without any medical training."

    Noting that migrants and asylum seekers had been held in overcrowded and unsanitary conditions for longer than 12 hours, Bury said CBP was not to hold migrants and asylum seekers for more than 48 hours at its Tucson sector going forward.

    Condemning CBP for allowing migrants and asylum seekers to be forced to sleep in bathrooms in overcrowded holding areas, Bury said the practice was "unsanitary and degrading" and banned CBP from allowing it to happen again.

    "The evidence is undisputed that conditions of confinement at Tucson Sector CBP stations are substantially worse than conditions afforded criminal detainees at the Santa Cruz County jail or other jail facilities, where detainees are medically screened by medical professionals; have a bed with cloth sheets, blankets, and pillows, and an opportunity for uninterrupted sleep; have clean clothing, including second layers for warmth; showers, toothbrushes and toothpaste, and warm meals with a variety of food choices, including fruits and vegetables, accommodating food allergies and religious beliefs," Bury wrote.

    "Likewise, the conditions of confinement for civil immigration detainees similarly improve once they are transferred from CBP holding cells to detention centers operated by the United States Marshals, ICE, ERO, Health and Human Services (HHS), and other immigration detention agencies and organization," he said.

    The conditions at Tucson Sector facilities, he said, fail to meet the same standards. As such, he said, "there is a presumption that the conditions of extended confinement at the Tucson Sector facilities violate the Plaintiffs' constitutional rights."

    Note this isn't all detention centers, it's one specifically egregious case where the judge basically said "this is so bad, you either need to get them out of those conditions within 48 hours or let them go at the end of that time." However, it's also precedent that "worse than prison is violating the Constitution," at least.

    That's good for now, but that precedent will never last past the Supreme Court.

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  • Monkey Ball WarriorMonkey Ball Warrior A collection of mediocre hats Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited February 20
    The deeply shameful, entirely avoidable humanitarian crisis aside, it's just bad policy. We have an aging population, we need more workers. This xenophobic nonsense is coming at an enormous opportunity cost that an entire generation is going to be forced to pay.

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  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    edited February 21
    The deeply shameful, entirely avoidable humanitarian crisis aside, it's just bad policy. We have an aging population, we need more workers. This xenophobic nonsense is coming at an enormous opportunity cost that an entire generation is going to be forced to pay.

    ... but not their generation, so fuck everyone who comes after them, right?

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    The deeply shameful, entirely avoidable humanitarian crisis aside, it's just bad policy. We have an aging population, we need more workers. This xenophobic nonsense is coming at an enormous opportunity cost that an entire generation is going to be forced to pay.

    ... but not their generation, so fuck everyone who comes after them, right?

    It will be their generation, as they go into the understaffed nursing homes in a few years and are left to sit hopelessly in filth as there are not enough workers to tend to them.

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  • RaijuRaiju regular Registered User regular
    The deeply shameful, entirely avoidable humanitarian crisis aside, it's just bad policy. We have an aging population, we need more workers. This xenophobic nonsense is coming at an enormous opportunity cost that an entire generation is going to be forced to pay.

    ... but not their generation, so fuck everyone who comes after them, right?

    It will be their generation, as they go into the understaffed nursing homes in a few years and are left to sit hopelessly in filth as there are not enough workers to tend to them.

    The rich ones certainly have nothing to worry about. The middle class and poor Trumpers can just crap into their MAGA hats when their Depends undergarments start overflowing, I guess, all the while refusing to accept any blame for their part in the labor shortage.

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    Jragghen wrote: »
    https://www.newsweek.com/judge-says-conditions-us-border-holding-cells-violated-constitution-monumental-ruling-1488281
    A federal judge in Arizona has ruled that conditions at U.S. border holding cells operated by the U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency violated the Constitution.

    In a case first launched in 2015 over conditions at Tucson sector holding facilities, U.S. District Judge David Bury said on Wednesday that the conditions migrants and asylum seekers have had to face under CBP custody have been "substantially worse than detainees face upon commitment to either a civil immigration detention facility or even a criminal detention facility, like a jail or prison."

    "The Court finds that the conditions of detention in CBP holding cells, especially those that preclude sleep over several nights, are presumptively punitive and violate the Constitution," he said.

    The court, Bury noted, heard how plaintiffs complained of overcrowding, with cold, hard concrete floors and bench surfaces, cold temperatures, no blankets or mats and unsanitary cell conditions, precluding sleeping.

    It also heard that cell conditions were unsanitary, with a lack of waste receptacles, "insufficient housekeeping," a lack of personal hygiene products and shower facilities, as well as insufficient access to food and water.

    Bury also said the court was concerned about the lack of a universal medical questionnaire designed by medical professionals, particularly since medical screenings were being "performed by agents without any medical training."

    Noting that migrants and asylum seekers had been held in overcrowded and unsanitary conditions for longer than 12 hours, Bury said CBP was not to hold migrants and asylum seekers for more than 48 hours at its Tucson sector going forward.

    Condemning CBP for allowing migrants and asylum seekers to be forced to sleep in bathrooms in overcrowded holding areas, Bury said the practice was "unsanitary and degrading" and banned CBP from allowing it to happen again.

    "The evidence is undisputed that conditions of confinement at Tucson Sector CBP stations are substantially worse than conditions afforded criminal detainees at the Santa Cruz County jail or other jail facilities, where detainees are medically screened by medical professionals; have a bed with cloth sheets, blankets, and pillows, and an opportunity for uninterrupted sleep; have clean clothing, including second layers for warmth; showers, toothbrushes and toothpaste, and warm meals with a variety of food choices, including fruits and vegetables, accommodating food allergies and religious beliefs," Bury wrote.

    "Likewise, the conditions of confinement for civil immigration detainees similarly improve once they are transferred from CBP holding cells to detention centers operated by the United States Marshals, ICE, ERO, Health and Human Services (HHS), and other immigration detention agencies and organization," he said.

    The conditions at Tucson Sector facilities, he said, fail to meet the same standards. As such, he said, "there is a presumption that the conditions of extended confinement at the Tucson Sector facilities violate the Plaintiffs' constitutional rights."

    Note this isn't all detention centers, it's one specifically egregious case where the judge basically said "this is so bad, you either need to get them out of those conditions within 48 hours or let them go at the end of that time." However, it's also precedent that "worse than prison is violating the Constitution," at least.

    I find it especially distressing that this is a case from 2015, not even part of the new wave of Trump-endorsed abuses.

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