How is it that the Daily Mail can find her, but not the FBI?
They pay better and have better contacts and frankly ignore the law sometimes to get a scoop.
If Ms Maxwell is in the USA, the authorities should charge her with *something* so they can take her passport before she decides to take a trip to France. But I doubt they will. Because whatever she can say will not be something that they want to hear. It's easier on everyone if she moves in next door to Roman Polanski.
Epstein’s death was leaked on 4chan by someone in the correctional facility prior to its public announcement
“[D]ont ask me how I know, but Epstein died an hour ago from hanging, cardiac arrest. Screencap this,” read the post, which was published at 8:16 a.m. alongside an image of Pepe, the green frog that has become a mascot for right-wing internet trolls.
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Epstein’s death was leaked on 4chan by someone in the correctional facility prior to its public announcement
“[D]ont ask me how I know, but Epstein died an hour ago from hanging, cardiac arrest. Screencap this,” read the post, which was published at 8:16 a.m. alongside an image of Pepe, the green frog that has become a mascot for right-wing internet trolls.
Yeah, thats not new. Nor is it inherently nefarious.
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Epstein’s death was leaked on 4chan by someone in the correctional facility prior to its public announcement
“[D]ont ask me how I know, but Epstein died an hour ago from hanging, cardiac arrest. Screencap this,” read the post, which was published at 8:16 a.m. alongside an image of Pepe, the green frog that has become a mascot for right-wing internet trolls.
Yeah, thats not new. Nor is it inherently nefarious.
Probably violates some rule somewhere but it's not like his death was posted before he actually died.
Epstein’s death was leaked on 4chan by someone in the correctional facility prior to its public announcement
“[D]ont ask me how I know, but Epstein died an hour ago from hanging, cardiac arrest. Screencap this,” read the post, which was published at 8:16 a.m. alongside an image of Pepe, the green frog that has become a mascot for right-wing internet trolls.
Yeah, thats not new. Nor is it inherently nefarious.
Especially since news agencies tend to want confirmation of something like that before they publish it, while 4chan... doesn't.
Rachael Denhollander wrote about Epstein and justice.
She's completely and utterly right, but I'm worried that there's too much inertia to make the corrections that she says.
People like Epstein, Weinstein, Nassar, and Kavanaugh have money and social power, their victims intentionally do not. And there are too many people who really don't care enough about the root problems to address them.
Let's assume I'm running a shadowy cabal that wants Epstein dead. Also, I want it declared a suicide, instead of "shot while escaping" or the like.
Can I send in an assassin? No; Hitman 47 is fictional, and jails have security cameras.
Can I pay a guard to do it? No; too many ways for that to go wrong, and then things go very bad for me. (Guard goes to authorities, Epstein fights back and wins, Epstein fights back and loses but leaves a mess, inmate next door overhears, guard talks afterwards, etc. Also, guards can't be assumed to be experts on assassinations.)
I'm basically just stuck making it easy for him to commit suicide.
What that leaves as a conspiracy is that I pay the guard to do their job poorly for a few weeks, or pay the supervisor to overwork the relevant guards. (But not by too much, or it won't look realistic. Also, I still need to worry about the guard/supervisor blabbing. Running a shadowy cabal is hard.)
Most of the conspiracy-supporting news bits are in support of someone going in and murdering Epstein, and I just can't see that as a reasonable course of action. One fuck-up, and suddenly my shadowy cabal is on the evening news and the FBI wants a word with me. Even bribing someone to do their job poorly for a while has a bunch of ways to go wrong, and people will be investigating this death closely.
So, no. I don't see any way that this was a conspiracy, unless you want to count the American criminal justice system as one.
How is it that the Daily Mail can find her, but not the FBI?
They pay better and have better contacts and frankly ignore the law sometimes to get a scoop.
If Ms Maxwell is in the USA, the authorities should charge her with *something* so they can take her passport before she decides to take a trip to France. But I doubt they will. Because whatever she can say will not be something that they want to hear. It's easier on everyone if she moves in next door to Roman Polanski.
i imagine a lot of the people who work in the new york justice system are already fairly corrupt. ideally you'd be working with established relationships, you wouldn't just be going in completely blind and throwing money around to random guards
was there something about the camera in the cell supposedly malfunctioning? or did i make that up
Paying off some financially needy guard is pretty fuckin realistic tbh
Its also an easy sell to someone who wants to take the money : he's a bad guy who the world will be better off without, you don't have to do anything just let him do the last useful thing he wants to. Bette for everyone really.
People do actually keep secrets. People do actually participate in corruption. People do actually conspire. More commonly, people simply nudge things in the right direction.
We should not *assume* this was anything corrupt, but we should investigate as appropriate.
Let's assume I'm running a shadowy cabal that wants Epstein dead. Also, I want it declared a suicide, instead of "shot while escaping" or the like.
Can I send in an assassin? No; Hitman 47 is fictional, and jails have security cameras.
Can I pay a guard to do it? No; too many ways for that to go wrong, and then things go very bad for me. (Guard goes to authorities, Epstein fights back and wins, Epstein fights back and loses but leaves a mess, inmate next door overhears, guard talks afterwards, etc. Also, guards can't be assumed to be experts on assassinations.)
I'm basically just stuck making it easy for him to commit suicide.
What that leaves as a conspiracy is that I pay the guard to do their job poorly for a few weeks, or pay the supervisor to overwork the relevant guards. (But not by too much, or it won't look realistic. Also, I still need to worry about the guard/supervisor blabbing. Running a shadowy cabal is hard.)
Most of the conspiracy-supporting news bits are in support of someone going in and murdering Epstein, and I just can't see that as a reasonable course of action. One fuck-up, and suddenly my shadowy cabal is on the evening news and the FBI wants a word with me. Even bribing someone to do their job poorly for a while has a bunch of ways to go wrong, and people will be investigating this death closely.
So, no. I don't see any way that this was a conspiracy, unless you want to count the American criminal justice system as one.
even the kind of "reasonable" (heaviest possible air quotes) conspiracy that involves guards being bribed to let epstein kill himself still presupposes some wealthy person with like, a rolodex of prison staff and knowledge of who would be on duty at what times. Even if you assume there's some administrator who can finesse the schedule or whatever without being noticed, you'd still have no guarantee that epstein would try to off himself that particular night and time.
it's far more plausible that the system is just generally negligent; so much so that if this were anyone but epstein it would barely be remarked upon
it was the smallest on the list but
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What in the nine bloody blue hells was this ever supposed to be about?
It looks like some sort of improvised drama thing. Presumably a fundraiser for the synagogue?
Probably. I can’t imagine “what Joseph’s bros did was ok” being the final message, because its presented as a pretty shit thing to have done in the Bible.
Let's assume I'm running a shadowy cabal that wants Epstein dead. Also, I want it declared a suicide, instead of "shot while escaping" or the like.
Can I send in an assassin? No; Hitman 47 is fictional, and jails have security cameras.
Can I pay a guard to do it? No; too many ways for that to go wrong, and then things go very bad for me. (Guard goes to authorities, Epstein fights back and wins, Epstein fights back and loses but leaves a mess, inmate next door overhears, guard talks afterwards, etc. Also, guards can't be assumed to be experts on assassinations.)
I'm basically just stuck making it easy for him to commit suicide.
What that leaves as a conspiracy is that I pay the guard to do their job poorly for a few weeks, or pay the supervisor to overwork the relevant guards. (But not by too much, or it won't look realistic. Also, I still need to worry about the guard/supervisor blabbing. Running a shadowy cabal is hard.)
Most of the conspiracy-supporting news bits are in support of someone going in and murdering Epstein, and I just can't see that as a reasonable course of action. One fuck-up, and suddenly my shadowy cabal is on the evening news and the FBI wants a word with me. Even bribing someone to do their job poorly for a while has a bunch of ways to go wrong, and people will be investigating this death closely.
So, no. I don't see any way that this was a conspiracy, unless you want to count the American criminal justice system as one.
even the kind of "reasonable" (heaviest possible air quotes) conspiracy that involves guards being bribed to let epstein kill himself still presupposes some wealthy person with like, a rolodex of prison staff and knowledge of who would be on duty at what times. Even if you assume there's some administrator who can finesse the schedule or whatever without being noticed, you'd still have no guarantee that epstein would try to off himself that particular night and time.
it's far more plausible that the system is just generally negligent; so much so that if this were anyone but epstein it would barely be remarked upon
I mean, this is the same system where a guy who was supposed to be released was left to starve to death and only checked on when the smell hit the front offices.
Prosecutors have a history of wanting defendants alive because to them it's more about the next defendant or conspirators, prosecutors have stats like baseball players and any chance to pad them.
But police and prison guards have quite a history of, "lol he ded," being as good as a guilty verdict, they don't really deal in the outcomes.
I think it's more than a little squicky that so many people will go to bat when a rich white guy has died because of this system when its been a meat grinder for the poor and minorities for all of living memory.
I do not see how Epstein’s enemies could have got an assassin into a locked cell where he was alone. When mob assassinations happen in prison it’s usually another prisoner who does it, and he was alone in protective custody.
The first time he tried to kill himself he had a huge psycho brute of a cell mate who claimed to have saved him but could just as easily been the one who roughed him up as a warning. But this time he had no cell mate.
Let's assume I'm running a shadowy cabal that wants Epstein dead. Also, I want it declared a suicide, instead of "shot while escaping" or the like.
Can I send in an assassin? No; Hitman 47 is fictional, and jails have security cameras.
Can I pay a guard to do it? No; too many ways for that to go wrong, and then things go very bad for me. (Guard goes to authorities, Epstein fights back and wins, Epstein fights back and loses but leaves a mess, inmate next door overhears, guard talks afterwards, etc. Also, guards can't be assumed to be experts on assassinations.)
I'm basically just stuck making it easy for him to commit suicide.
What that leaves as a conspiracy is that I pay the guard to do their job poorly for a few weeks, or pay the supervisor to overwork the relevant guards. (But not by too much, or it won't look realistic. Also, I still need to worry about the guard/supervisor blabbing. Running a shadowy cabal is hard.)
Most of the conspiracy-supporting news bits are in support of someone going in and murdering Epstein, and I just can't see that as a reasonable course of action. One fuck-up, and suddenly my shadowy cabal is on the evening news and the FBI wants a word with me. Even bribing someone to do their job poorly for a while has a bunch of ways to go wrong, and people will be investigating this death closely.
So, no. I don't see any way that this was a conspiracy, unless you want to count the American criminal justice system as one.
even the kind of "reasonable" (heaviest possible air quotes) conspiracy that involves guards being bribed to let epstein kill himself still presupposes some wealthy person with like, a rolodex of prison staff and knowledge of who would be on duty at what times. Even if you assume there's some administrator who can finesse the schedule or whatever without being noticed, you'd still have no guarantee that epstein would try to off himself that particular night and time.
it's far more plausible that the system is just generally negligent; so much so that if this were anyone but epstein it would barely be remarked upon
I mean, this is the same system where a guy who was supposed to be released was left to starve to death and only checked on when the smell hit the front offices.
Prosecutors have a history of wanting defendants alive because to them it's more about the next defendant or conspirators, prosecutors have stats like baseball players and any chance to pad them.
But police and prison guards have quite a history of, "lol he ded," being as good as a guilty verdict, they don't really deal in the outcomes.
I think it's more than a little squicky that so many people will go to bat when a rich white guy has died because of this system when its been a meat grinder for the poor and minorities for all of living memory.
Different system. MCC's are Federal Bureau of Prisons, Riker's is NYC-DOC.
Let's assume I'm running a shadowy cabal that wants Epstein dead. Also, I want it declared a suicide, instead of "shot while escaping" or the like.
Can I send in an assassin? No; Hitman 47 is fictional, and jails have security cameras.
Can I pay a guard to do it? No; too many ways for that to go wrong, and then things go very bad for me. (Guard goes to authorities, Epstein fights back and wins, Epstein fights back and loses but leaves a mess, inmate next door overhears, guard talks afterwards, etc. Also, guards can't be assumed to be experts on assassinations.)
I'm basically just stuck making it easy for him to commit suicide.
What that leaves as a conspiracy is that I pay the guard to do their job poorly for a few weeks, or pay the supervisor to overwork the relevant guards. (But not by too much, or it won't look realistic. Also, I still need to worry about the guard/supervisor blabbing. Running a shadowy cabal is hard.)
Most of the conspiracy-supporting news bits are in support of someone going in and murdering Epstein, and I just can't see that as a reasonable course of action. One fuck-up, and suddenly my shadowy cabal is on the evening news and the FBI wants a word with me. Even bribing someone to do their job poorly for a while has a bunch of ways to go wrong, and people will be investigating this death closely.
So, no. I don't see any way that this was a conspiracy, unless you want to count the American criminal justice system as one.
even the kind of "reasonable" (heaviest possible air quotes) conspiracy that involves guards being bribed to let epstein kill himself still presupposes some wealthy person with like, a rolodex of prison staff and knowledge of who would be on duty at what times. Even if you assume there's some administrator who can finesse the schedule or whatever without being noticed, you'd still have no guarantee that epstein would try to off himself that particular night and time.
it's far more plausible that the system is just generally negligent; so much so that if this were anyone but epstein it would barely be remarked upon
I mean, this is the same system where a guy who was supposed to be released was left to starve to death and only checked on when the smell hit the front offices.
Prosecutors have a history of wanting defendants alive because to them it's more about the next defendant or conspirators, prosecutors have stats like baseball players and any chance to pad them.
But police and prison guards have quite a history of, "lol he ded," being as good as a guilty verdict, they don't really deal in the outcomes.
I think it's more than a little squicky that so many people will go to bat when a rich white guy has died because of this system when its been a meat grinder for the poor and minorities for all of living memory.
You think people are up in arms about the Epstein thing because it’s an outrage that a rich white man was treated that way? LOL, no. It’s a mix between conspiracy theories and anger that he will never face justice.
That can be said about multiple other deaths just this year. Thousands of deaths if you want to go back far enough in time. Child predators, drug dealers, murderers, innocents alike, from the days when being Irish was enough to when being Black was enough. Hell, even being white isn't all that unique, the only thing unusual about Epstein is that he's rich.
That can be said about multiple other deaths just this year. Thousands of deaths if you want to go back far enough in time. Child predators, drug dealers, murderers, innocents alike, from the days when being Irish was enough to when being Black was enough. Hell, even being white isn't all that unique, the only thing unusual about Epstein is that he's rich.
The only thing unusual about him was that his conviction held the possibility of bringing other rich and powerful people down with him.
Let's assume I'm running a shadowy cabal that wants Epstein dead. Also, I want it declared a suicide, instead of "shot while escaping" or the like.
Can I send in an assassin? No; Hitman 47 is fictional, and jails have security cameras.
Can I pay a guard to do it? No; too many ways for that to go wrong, and then things go very bad for me. (Guard goes to authorities, Epstein fights back and wins, Epstein fights back and loses but leaves a mess, inmate next door overhears, guard talks afterwards, etc. Also, guards can't be assumed to be experts on assassinations.)
I'm basically just stuck making it easy for him to commit suicide.
What that leaves as a conspiracy is that I pay the guard to do their job poorly for a few weeks, or pay the supervisor to overwork the relevant guards. (But not by too much, or it won't look realistic. Also, I still need to worry about the guard/supervisor blabbing. Running a shadowy cabal is hard.)
Most of the conspiracy-supporting news bits are in support of someone going in and murdering Epstein, and I just can't see that as a reasonable course of action. One fuck-up, and suddenly my shadowy cabal is on the evening news and the FBI wants a word with me. Even bribing someone to do their job poorly for a while has a bunch of ways to go wrong, and people will be investigating this death closely.
So, no. I don't see any way that this was a conspiracy, unless you want to count the American criminal justice system as one.
even the kind of "reasonable" (heaviest possible air quotes) conspiracy that involves guards being bribed to let epstein kill himself still presupposes some wealthy person with like, a rolodex of prison staff and knowledge of who would be on duty at what times. Even if you assume there's some administrator who can finesse the schedule or whatever without being noticed, you'd still have no guarantee that epstein would try to off himself that particular night and time.
it's far more plausible that the system is just generally negligent; so much so that if this were anyone but epstein it would barely be remarked upon
I mean, this is the same system where a guy who was supposed to be released was left to starve to death and only checked on when the smell hit the front offices.
Prosecutors have a history of wanting defendants alive because to them it's more about the next defendant or conspirators, prosecutors have stats like baseball players and any chance to pad them.
But police and prison guards have quite a history of, "lol he ded," being as good as a guilty verdict, they don't really deal in the outcomes.
I think it's more than a little squicky that so many people will go to bat when a rich white guy has died because of this system when its been a meat grinder for the poor and minorities for all of living memory.
You think people are up in arms about the Epstein thing because it’s an outrage that a rich white man was treated that way? LOL, no. It’s a mix between conspiracy theories and anger that he will never face justice.
Plus all the people who might not face justice because he can't name names.
Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
That can be said about multiple other deaths just this year. Thousands of deaths if you want to go back far enough in time. Child predators, drug dealers, murderers, innocents alike, from the days when being Irish was enough to when being Black was enough. Hell, even being white isn't all that unique, the only thing unusual about Epstein is that he's rich.
The only thing unusual about him was that his conviction held the possibility of bringing other rich and powerful people down with him.
Yeah, if he'd hanged himself in shame after giving sworn testimony against all his co-conspiritors, no-one would have cared very much.
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Paying off some financially needy guard is pretty fuckin realistic tbh
Literally how most of the contraband is smuggled into the prison.
"We'll pay you 300 bucks to bring a carton of smokes in and give it to "Jimmy the Murderer.""
And it's not long before going from that which would just get you fired to
1500 bucks to bring in a package (which has H in it)
Maybe turn off a camera or two for a bit
For someone making 28k a year that kind of money is reeeal tempting.
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That can be said about multiple other deaths just this year. Thousands of deaths if you want to go back far enough in time. Child predators, drug dealers, murderers, innocents alike, from the days when being Irish was enough to when being Black was enough. Hell, even being white isn't all that unique, the only thing unusual about Epstein is that he's rich.
The only thing unusual about him was that his conviction held the possibility of bringing other rich and powerful people down with him.
Yeah, if he'd hanged himself in shame after giving sworn testimony against all his co-conspiritors, no-one would have cared very much.
I would have
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That can be said about multiple other deaths just this year. Thousands of deaths if you want to go back far enough in time. Child predators, drug dealers, murderers, innocents alike, from the days when being Irish was enough to when being Black was enough. Hell, even being white isn't all that unique, the only thing unusual about Epstein is that he's rich.
The only thing unusual about him was that his conviction held the possibility of bringing other rich and powerful people down with him.
Yeah, if he'd hanged himself in shame after giving sworn testimony against all his co-conspiritors, no-one would have cared very much.
I would have
I here what you are saying, but he is a convicted child molester, and he had a mountain of damning evidence against him.
Let's assume I'm running a shadowy cabal that wants Epstein dead. Also, I want it declared a suicide, instead of "shot while escaping" or the like.
Can I send in an assassin? No; Hitman 47 is fictional, and jails have security cameras.
Can I pay a guard to do it? No; too many ways for that to go wrong, and then things go very bad for me. (Guard goes to authorities, Epstein fights back and wins, Epstein fights back and loses but leaves a mess, inmate next door overhears, guard talks afterwards, etc. Also, guards can't be assumed to be experts on assassinations.)
I'm basically just stuck making it easy for him to commit suicide.
What that leaves as a conspiracy is that I pay the guard to do their job poorly for a few weeks, or pay the supervisor to overwork the relevant guards. (But not by too much, or it won't look realistic. Also, I still need to worry about the guard/supervisor blabbing. Running a shadowy cabal is hard.)
Most of the conspiracy-supporting news bits are in support of someone going in and murdering Epstein, and I just can't see that as a reasonable course of action. One fuck-up, and suddenly my shadowy cabal is on the evening news and the FBI wants a word with me. Even bribing someone to do their job poorly for a while has a bunch of ways to go wrong, and people will be investigating this death closely.
So, no. I don't see any way that this was a conspiracy, unless you want to count the American criminal justice system as one.
even the kind of "reasonable" (heaviest possible air quotes) conspiracy that involves guards being bribed to let epstein kill himself still presupposes some wealthy person with like, a rolodex of prison staff and knowledge of who would be on duty at what times. Even if you assume there's some administrator who can finesse the schedule or whatever without being noticed, you'd still have no guarantee that epstein would try to off himself that particular night and time.
it's far more plausible that the system is just generally negligent; so much so that if this were anyone but epstein it would barely be remarked upon
It would not be hard to have a private investigator determine staffing schedules at a federal building.
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That can be said about multiple other deaths just this year. Thousands of deaths if you want to go back far enough in time. Child predators, drug dealers, murderers, innocents alike, from the days when being Irish was enough to when being Black was enough. Hell, even being white isn't all that unique, the only thing unusual about Epstein is that he's rich.
The only thing unusual about him was that his conviction held the possibility of bringing other rich and powerful people down with him.
Yeah, if he'd hanged himself in shame after giving sworn testimony against all his co-conspiritors, no-one would have cared very much.
I would have
I here what you are saying, but he is a convicted child molester, and he had a mountain of damning evidence against him.
Still very speculative, but WaPo and other outlets are reporting that aspects of Epstein’s autopsy are more common in homicides by strangulation, though not inconsistent with suicide by hanging. Specifically certain broken bones.
An autopsy found that financier Jeffrey Epstein suffered multiple breaks in his neck bones, according to two people familiar with the findings, deepening the mystery about the circumstances around his death.
Among the bones broken in Epstein’s neck was the hyoid bone, which in men is near the Adam’s apple. Such breaks can occur in those who hang themselves, particularly if they are older, according to forensics experts and studies on the subject. But they are more common in victims of homicide by strangulation, the experts said.
Edit: And I hate playing online forensics, so I’m mostly noting this, not attempting to start armchair autopsy-ing.
I think if we are entertaining the notion that Epstein was murdered by strangulation we also need to entertain the notion that a murderer was summoned to do it because unless you just have very fortuitously hired a murderer as a prison guard I don't think you could pay a regular person enough money to do a strangle murder on a full grown man that is not a minor proposition that is a proposition fraught with peril of many sorts
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They pay better and have better contacts and frankly ignore the law sometimes to get a scoop.
If Ms Maxwell is in the USA, the authorities should charge her with *something* so they can take her passport before she decides to take a trip to France. But I doubt they will. Because whatever she can say will not be something that they want to hear. It's easier on everyone if she moves in next door to Roman Polanski.
Epstein’s death was leaked on 4chan by someone in the correctional facility prior to its public announcement
Yeah, thats not new. Nor is it inherently nefarious.
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Rachael Denhollander wrote about Epstein and justice.
Probably violates some rule somewhere but it's not like his death was posted before he actually died.
Especially since news agencies tend to want confirmation of something like that before they publish it, while 4chan... doesn't.
Ben Jacobs is a reporter.
It feels like he's just taunting us now.
She's completely and utterly right, but I'm worried that there's too much inertia to make the corrections that she says.
People like Epstein, Weinstein, Nassar, and Kavanaugh have money and social power, their victims intentionally do not. And there are too many people who really don't care enough about the root problems to address them.
What in the nine bloody blue hells was this ever supposed to be about?
"If I did it in Biblical times"
It looks like some sort of improvised drama thing. Presumably a fundraiser for the synagogue?
Which is obviously the worst possible thing.
Precisely. It doesn't actually determine anything, just flames the conspiracy talk.
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Can I send in an assassin? No; Hitman 47 is fictional, and jails have security cameras.
Can I pay a guard to do it? No; too many ways for that to go wrong, and then things go very bad for me. (Guard goes to authorities, Epstein fights back and wins, Epstein fights back and loses but leaves a mess, inmate next door overhears, guard talks afterwards, etc. Also, guards can't be assumed to be experts on assassinations.)
I'm basically just stuck making it easy for him to commit suicide.
What that leaves as a conspiracy is that I pay the guard to do their job poorly for a few weeks, or pay the supervisor to overwork the relevant guards. (But not by too much, or it won't look realistic. Also, I still need to worry about the guard/supervisor blabbing. Running a shadowy cabal is hard.)
Most of the conspiracy-supporting news bits are in support of someone going in and murdering Epstein, and I just can't see that as a reasonable course of action. One fuck-up, and suddenly my shadowy cabal is on the evening news and the FBI wants a word with me. Even bribing someone to do their job poorly for a while has a bunch of ways to go wrong, and people will be investigating this death closely.
So, no. I don't see any way that this was a conspiracy, unless you want to count the American criminal justice system as one.
France might not be that safe for her.
https://hollywoodreporter.com/news/france-investigating-jeffrey-epstein-ties-1231122
was there something about the camera in the cell supposedly malfunctioning? or did i make that up
Its also an easy sell to someone who wants to take the money : he's a bad guy who the world will be better off without, you don't have to do anything just let him do the last useful thing he wants to. Bette for everyone really.
Epstein bodyguard/driver seems spooked.
I guess I would be too.
We should not *assume* this was anything corrupt, but we should investigate as appropriate.
even the kind of "reasonable" (heaviest possible air quotes) conspiracy that involves guards being bribed to let epstein kill himself still presupposes some wealthy person with like, a rolodex of prison staff and knowledge of who would be on duty at what times. Even if you assume there's some administrator who can finesse the schedule or whatever without being noticed, you'd still have no guarantee that epstein would try to off himself that particular night and time.
it's far more plausible that the system is just generally negligent; so much so that if this were anyone but epstein it would barely be remarked upon
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Probably. I can’t imagine “what Joseph’s bros did was ok” being the final message, because its presented as a pretty shit thing to have done in the Bible.
I mean, this is the same system where a guy who was supposed to be released was left to starve to death and only checked on when the smell hit the front offices.
Prosecutors have a history of wanting defendants alive because to them it's more about the next defendant or conspirators, prosecutors have stats like baseball players and any chance to pad them.
But police and prison guards have quite a history of, "lol he ded," being as good as a guilty verdict, they don't really deal in the outcomes.
I think it's more than a little squicky that so many people will go to bat when a rich white guy has died because of this system when its been a meat grinder for the poor and minorities for all of living memory.
The first time he tried to kill himself he had a huge psycho brute of a cell mate who claimed to have saved him but could just as easily been the one who roughed him up as a warning. But this time he had no cell mate.
Different system. MCC's are Federal Bureau of Prisons, Riker's is NYC-DOC.
You think people are up in arms about the Epstein thing because it’s an outrage that a rich white man was treated that way? LOL, no. It’s a mix between conspiracy theories and anger that he will never face justice.
The only thing unusual about him was that his conviction held the possibility of bringing other rich and powerful people down with him.
Plus all the people who might not face justice because he can't name names.
Yeah, if he'd hanged himself in shame after giving sworn testimony against all his co-conspiritors, no-one would have cared very much.
"We'll pay you 300 bucks to bring a carton of smokes in and give it to "Jimmy the Murderer.""
And it's not long before going from that which would just get you fired to
1500 bucks to bring in a package (which has H in it)
Maybe turn off a camera or two for a bit
For someone making 28k a year that kind of money is reeeal tempting.
I would have
I would trade him for a dog.
It would not be hard to have a private investigator determine staffing schedules at a federal building.
I don't care about him per se
I care about justice
and he evaded justice not once, but twice
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/autopsy-finds-broken-bones-in-jeffrey-epsteins-neck-deepening-questions-around-his-death/2019/08/14/d09ac934-bdd9-11e9-b873-63ace636af08_story.html
Edit: And I hate playing online forensics, so I’m mostly noting this, not attempting to start armchair autopsy-ing.