It stops being pure politics when it's a government that does things like openly harvest organs as part of their ethnic cleansing system, and murdering civilians openly for speaking out against the regime.
You can't support that and hide behind capitalism.
I feel that's unfair. In no way they ever said they support the politics. They are providing a game to play.
They have an open platform suddenly used for politics without their permission, forcing them to lose whatever side of the political side they decide to back.
They don't have to back any of them. They don't have to endorse him. They can disavow endorsing what he said, even. There are miles of measures they could have taken way before you get to taking his prize winnings, banning him for a year, and firing two people.
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and stripped his Hearthstone winnings because they care about money more than freedom. We will pay for ALL his lost winnings and a ticket to our $500k tournament: no player should be punished for their beliefs. #freegaming
They are a digital tcg that trades cards using the same architecture as cryptocurrency. (I'm not a compsci person so I'm not super confident in saying more)
It stops being pure politics when it's a government that does things like openly harvest organs as part of their ethnic cleansing system, and murdering civilians openly for speaking out against the regime.
You can't support that and hide behind capitalism.
I feel that's unfair. In no way they ever said they support the politics. They are providing a game to play.
They have an open platform suddenly used for politics without their permission, forcing them to lose whatever side of the political side they decide to back.
Again, this isn't core politics. This is fundamental human rights. There does come a time when the line needs to be perceived. General political speech can perhaps be filtered, slippery slope as that is. Opposition to the literal definition of fascism, not the over use of the word, and to mass human rights atrocities is not "politics" though.
I feel my point still stands though. You can't blaim a gameprovider for not wanting either of those popping up in their streams, which are meant for the entertainment of their entire public.
In a perfect world no other business should work together with China because of how they treat their people, but here we are, completely entangled and we all buy stuff from there.
I don't feel you can blaim Blizzard for the solution they had to provide, because outside forces made a stream for entertainment something completely different. And while I agree with the streamers sentiment, I feel this outburst wasn't needed as the streamer and casters weren't saying anything new, and the News is already all over this, and yes it needs to change.
They just unfairly pulled Blizzard into a very hard decision with no good outs and the public seems to blaim the company as if Blizzard is the only company/individual that has business in China.
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The entire point of non-violent protest is to get punished for doing something innocuous. It gets people to talk about and notice 'the thing', whereas if you don't get punished people just move on.
It stops being pure politics when it's a government that does things like openly harvest organs as part of their ethnic cleansing system, and murdering civilians openly for speaking out against the regime.
You can't support that and hide behind capitalism.
I feel that's unfair. In no way they ever said they support the politics. They are providing a game to play.
They have an open platform suddenly used for politics without their permission, forcing them to lose whatever side of the political side they decide to back.
Again, this isn't core politics. This is fundamental human rights. There does come a time when the line needs to be perceived. General political speech can perhaps be filtered, slippery slope as that is. Opposition to the literal definition of fascism, not the over use of the word, and to mass human rights atrocities is not "politics" though.
I feel my point still stands though. You can't blaim a gameprovider for not wanting either of those popping up in their streams, which are meant for the entertainment of their entire public.
In a perfect world no other business should work together with China because of how they treat their people, but here we are, completely entangled and we all buy stuff from there.
I don't feel you can blaim Blizzard for the solution they had to provide, because outside forces made a stream for entertainment something completely different. And while I agree with the streamers sentiment, I feel this outburst wasn't needed as the streamer and casters weren't saying anything new, and the News is already all over this, and yes it needs to change.
They just unfairly pulled Blizzard into a very hard decision with no good outs and the public seems to blaim the company as if Blizzard is the only company/individual that has business in China.
If they had suspended the player and stated they have no stance - fine. They took his prize money after he won and fired the casters. That's clearly taking a side themselves, so now it's up to people if they agree with Blizzard and China or agree with the player.
Anyone who runs any level of thing with a live component or freeform input knows this is a possibility, people using platforms for other reasons is nothing new.
You can't blaim a gameprovider for not wanting either of those popping up in their streams, which are meant for the entertainment of their entire public.
It stops being pure politics when it's a government that does things like openly harvest organs as part of their ethnic cleansing system, and murdering civilians openly for speaking out against the regime.
You can't support that and hide behind capitalism.
I feel that's unfair. In no way they ever said they support the politics. They are providing a game to play.
They have an open platform suddenly used for politics without their permission, forcing them to lose whatever side of the political side they decide to back.
Again, this isn't core politics. This is fundamental human rights. There does come a time when the line needs to be perceived. General political speech can perhaps be filtered, slippery slope as that is. Opposition to the literal definition of fascism, not the over use of the word, and to mass human rights atrocities is not "politics" though.
I feel my point still stands though. You can't blaim a gameprovider for not wanting either of those popping up in their streams, which are meant for the entertainment of their entire public.
In a perfect world no other business should work together with China because of how they treat their people, but here we are, completely entangled and we all buy stuff from there.
I don't feel you can blaim Blizzard for the solution they had to provide, because outside forces made a stream for entertainment something completely different. And while I agree with the streamers sentiment, I feel this outburst wasn't needed as the streamer and casters weren't saying anything new, and the News is already all over this, and yes it needs to change.
They just unfairly pulled Blizzard into a very hard decision with no good outs and the public seems to blaim the company as if Blizzard is the only company/individual that has business in China.
If they had suspended the player and stated they have no stance - fine. They took his prize money after he won and fired the casters. That's clearly taking a side themselves, so now it's up to people if they agree with Blizzard and China or agree with the player.
Anyone who runs any level of thing with a live component or freeform input knows this is a possibility, people using platforms for other reasons is nothing new.
Is it really supporting China or banning the three people who made a Blizzard stream a cause without permission so they cannot do it again on said streams?
Again, I agree with the sentiment of the guys, I just don't think that was the time and place.
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Hey, it turns out that if you build a Tavern Brawl six-shooter deck with Ice Block, Reno Jackson, Rotten Applebaum, N'Zoth, and two other support cards of your choice, you too can make each game last an hour!
I'm basically 100% trolling people with this deck. The best part is that because it takes so long, I only pay half-attention to the game while multitasking on a second game, so I rope sometimes before playing my one Reno or Ice Block for the turn. :rotate:
every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
i consider this the same situation as if he had said any other viewpoint that is not popular with the chinese government, like "gay people deserve basic human rights"
At least you can use it to finish class quests and sometimes play Bees
I've been having more fun with this brawl than I have had with HS in a very long time.
A few times I've let my opponent live (for multiple turns) so they could finish their grand-scheme of whatever crazy stuff they were going for, just to see it.
Like that 20-20 guy that does 20 dmg to all enemies, etc..
I mostly see Tavern Brawl as a way to complete quests that I can't complete in Wild, like class quests for classes I don't have good decks in.
So while I think this Tavern Brawl is actually really really bad, I'm thankful that it's a brawl that has deckbuilding & class selection, rather than shit like last week's zombeast brawl.
every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
It stops being pure politics when it's a government that does things like openly harvest organs as part of their ethnic cleansing system, and murdering civilians openly for speaking out against the regime.
You can't support that and hide behind capitalism.
I feel that's unfair. In no way they ever said they support the politics. They are providing a game to play.
They have an open platform suddenly used for politics without their permission, forcing them to lose whatever side of the political side they decide to back.
At first I think I'm having fun with Hearthstone adventures again and then Gorebite does 15 damage in turn 4 (hint: you only have 15 max health at this stage) and then I'm reminded why I don't.
That legitimately sucks, but keep in mind 1) enemies are semi-randomly ordered, so it is possible to face Gorebite with more than 15 health, 2) some heroes can make armor (Elise, notably), 3) it's meant to be a roguelite so sometimes you just get fucked by RNG, and 4) it's Hearthstone so sometimes you just get fucked by RNG
I totally get that losing to a bad dice roll feels bad and if you don't like roguelites then maybe, yeah, the adventures are probably not for you.
every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
It stops being pure politics when it's a government that does things like openly harvest organs as part of their ethnic cleansing system, and murdering civilians openly for speaking out against the regime.
You can't support that and hide behind capitalism.
I feel that's unfair. In no way they ever said they support the politics. They are providing a game to play.
They have an open platform suddenly used for politics without their permission, forcing them to lose whatever side of the political side they decide to back.
Again, this isn't core politics. This is fundamental human rights. There does come a time when the line needs to be perceived. General political speech can perhaps be filtered, slippery slope as that is. Opposition to the literal definition of fascism, not the over use of the word, and to mass human rights atrocities is not "politics" though.
I feel my point still stands though. You can't blaim a gameprovider for not wanting either of those popping up in their streams, which are meant for the entertainment of their entire public.
In a perfect world no other business should work together with China because of how they treat their people, but here we are, completely entangled and we all buy stuff from there.
You can totally blame them for banning a player for expressing a truthful and sincere statement. You just can't be very surprised by it. It has nothing to do with them sincerely desiring to have a space purely for entertainment, it has to do with China bringing in a huge amount of money to the company.
For the record, China is bad and all that but Blizzard would just as easily ban any player in the West if it came to it. Senior management is solely concerned with increasing profit.
It stops being pure politics when it's a government that does things like openly harvest organs as part of their ethnic cleansing system, and murdering civilians openly for speaking out against the regime.
You can't support that and hide behind capitalism.
I feel that's unfair. In no way they ever said they support the politics. They are providing a game to play.
They have an open platform suddenly used for politics without their permission, forcing them to lose whatever side of the political side they decide to back.
Again, this isn't core politics. This is fundamental human rights. There does come a time when the line needs to be perceived. General political speech can perhaps be filtered, slippery slope as that is. Opposition to the literal definition of fascism, not the over use of the word, and to mass human rights atrocities is not "politics" though.
I feel my point still stands though. You can't blaim a gameprovider for not wanting either of those popping up in their streams, which are meant for the entertainment of their entire public.
In a perfect world no other business should work together with China because of how they treat their people, but here we are, completely entangled and we all buy stuff from there.
I don't feel you can blaim Blizzard for the solution they had to provide, because outside forces made a stream for entertainment something completely different. And while I agree with the streamers sentiment, I feel this outburst wasn't needed as the streamer and casters weren't saying anything new, and the News is already all over this, and yes it needs to change.
They just unfairly pulled Blizzard into a very hard decision with no good outs and the public seems to blaim the company as if Blizzard is the only company/individual that has business in China.
If they had suspended the player and stated they have no stance - fine. They took his prize money after he won and fired the casters. That's clearly taking a side themselves, so now it's up to people if they agree with Blizzard and China or agree with the player.
Anyone who runs any level of thing with a live component or freeform input knows this is a possibility, people using platforms for other reasons is nothing new.
Is it really supporting China or banning the three people who made a Blizzard stream a cause without permission so they cannot do it again on said streams?
Again, I agree with the sentiment of the guys, I just don't think that was the time and place.
Yes. By taking action beyond future suspension, you generally cross the line into "we're taking a side". If it's their only platform, they're going to use it. This is more on Blizzard for skimping on production crews as if you thought it through and knew it was a risk, you'd time-delay the interview. League of Legends did just that when a Hong Kong team won a champ qualifier. This is Blizzard planning poorly, getting punished for it then making it worse by overreacting to the player/people involved.
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I'm not about to delete all of my game info and data from Blizzard's servers, I'm just not supporting their games with my money until I hear some reason to.
Also note, Blizzard's subreddit is moderated by Blizzard. It's currently closed because of the backlash.
What is Gods Unchained? Because I may be a big fan now
I would hesitate to back anyone who is using this fiasco as a means of marketing
Shrug. They did good things, I'm pretty OK with that even if they may also be trying to make money from it.
Making money is OK (or at least, I don't feel like arguing that now lol), making money by being unethical is icky
Yep, I'd be totally ok with companies trying to out-good each other. "Oh yeah, we're replacing the prize money AND giving 1 million to fighting cancer" "Oh yeah, we also just funded 13 homeless shelters for 2 years" etc.
I'm not clear on how they do it but the Communists don't allow American games to be sold by Americans in China. American companies have to go through a Chinese publisher so all those WoW and Hearthstone players in China wouldn't be counted in that graph, yes?
which goes in line with what i've been saying for a very long time in that the people making the games aren't the ones running the company anymore, but
1,765 million for 'online game services' across all franchises not just Blizz's. Even if all of that were for Blizz franchises and Blizz got 100% of it, it would still be under 20% of total revenue.
So interesting that this and NBA's China debacles are happening at the same time. And after trying to tread lightly and appease China for a few days, today the NBA commissioner came out and flat out defended the offender's right of expression, jeopardizing over a billion dollars in existing business relations. Acti-Blizzard, on the other hand...
It stops being pure politics when it's a government that does things like openly harvest organs as part of their ethnic cleansing system, and murdering civilians openly for speaking out against the regime.
You can't support that and hide behind capitalism.
I feel that's unfair. In no way they ever said they support the politics. They are providing a game to play.
They have an open platform suddenly used for politics without their permission, forcing them to lose whatever side of the political side they decide to back.
Again, this isn't core politics. This is fundamental human rights. There does come a time when the line needs to be perceived. General political speech can perhaps be filtered, slippery slope as that is. Opposition to the literal definition of fascism, not the over use of the word, and to mass human rights atrocities is not "politics" though.
I feel my point still stands though. You can't blaim a gameprovider for not wanting either of those popping up in their streams, which are meant for the entertainment of their entire public.
In a perfect world no other business should work together with China because of how they treat their people, but here we are, completely entangled and we all buy stuff from there.
I don't feel you can blaim Blizzard for the solution they had to provide, because outside forces made a stream for entertainment something completely different. And while I agree with the streamers sentiment, I feel this outburst wasn't needed as the streamer and casters weren't saying anything new, and the News is already all over this, and yes it needs to change.
They just unfairly pulled Blizzard into a very hard decision with no good outs and the public seems to blaim the company as if Blizzard is the only company/individual that has business in China.
If they had suspended the player and stated they have no stance - fine. They took his prize money after he won and fired the casters. That's clearly taking a side themselves, so now it's up to people if they agree with Blizzard and China or agree with the player.
Anyone who runs any level of thing with a live component or freeform input knows this is a possibility, people using platforms for other reasons is nothing new.
Is it really supporting China or banning the three people who made a Blizzard stream a cause without permission so they cannot do it again on said streams?
Again, I agree with the sentiment of the guys, I just don't think that was the time and place.
Yes. By taking action beyond future suspension, you generally cross the line into "we're taking a side".
I don't feel they are taking a side, I feel they just don't want this type of speak in their gaming streams. If they allow this, it will just spread and more people will turn a HS stream political for good and bad intentions. It's not the time and place.
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It stops being pure politics when it's a government that does things like openly harvest organs as part of their ethnic cleansing system, and murdering civilians openly for speaking out against the regime.
You can't support that and hide behind capitalism.
I feel that's unfair. In no way they ever said they support the politics. They are providing a game to play.
They have an open platform suddenly used for politics without their permission, forcing them to lose whatever side of the political side they decide to back.
Again, this isn't core politics. This is fundamental human rights. There does come a time when the line needs to be perceived. General political speech can perhaps be filtered, slippery slope as that is. Opposition to the literal definition of fascism, not the over use of the word, and to mass human rights atrocities is not "politics" though.
I feel my point still stands though. You can't blaim a gameprovider for not wanting either of those popping up in their streams, which are meant for the entertainment of their entire public.
In a perfect world no other business should work together with China because of how they treat their people, but here we are, completely entangled and we all buy stuff from there.
I don't feel you can blaim Blizzard for the solution they had to provide, because outside forces made a stream for entertainment something completely different. And while I agree with the streamers sentiment, I feel this outburst wasn't needed as the streamer and casters weren't saying anything new, and the News is already all over this, and yes it needs to change.
They just unfairly pulled Blizzard into a very hard decision with no good outs and the public seems to blaim the company as if Blizzard is the only company/individual that has business in China.
If they had suspended the player and stated they have no stance - fine. They took his prize money after he won and fired the casters. That's clearly taking a side themselves, so now it's up to people if they agree with Blizzard and China or agree with the player.
Anyone who runs any level of thing with a live component or freeform input knows this is a possibility, people using platforms for other reasons is nothing new.
Is it really supporting China or banning the three people who made a Blizzard stream a cause without permission so they cannot do it again on said streams?
Again, I agree with the sentiment of the guys, I just don't think that was the time and place.
Yes. By taking action beyond future suspension, you generally cross the line into "we're taking a side".
I don't feel they are taking a side, I feel they just don't want this type of speak in their gaming streams. If they allow this, it will just spread and more people will turn a HS stream political for good and bad intentions. It's not the time and place.
Sometimes humanitarian causes are more important than time and place. It's a video game tournament, not a funeral.
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They don't have to back any of them. They don't have to endorse him. They can disavow endorsing what he said, even. There are miles of measures they could have taken way before you get to taking his prize winnings, banning him for a year, and firing two people.
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They are somewhat shady according to an article on them I read a bit ago: https://www.a-space-games.com/gods-unchained
I feel my point still stands though. You can't blaim a gameprovider for not wanting either of those popping up in their streams, which are meant for the entertainment of their entire public.
In a perfect world no other business should work together with China because of how they treat their people, but here we are, completely entangled and we all buy stuff from there.
I don't feel you can blaim Blizzard for the solution they had to provide, because outside forces made a stream for entertainment something completely different. And while I agree with the streamers sentiment, I feel this outburst wasn't needed as the streamer and casters weren't saying anything new, and the News is already all over this, and yes it needs to change.
They just unfairly pulled Blizzard into a very hard decision with no good outs and the public seems to blaim the company as if Blizzard is the only company/individual that has business in China.
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I would hesitate to back anyone who is using this fiasco as a means of marketing
So I guess esports have leveled up?
If they had suspended the player and stated they have no stance - fine. They took his prize money after he won and fired the casters. That's clearly taking a side themselves, so now it's up to people if they agree with Blizzard and China or agree with the player.
Anyone who runs any level of thing with a live component or freeform input knows this is a possibility, people using platforms for other reasons is nothing new.
This kind of protest is still brand new to esports, right?
hell yeah i can!!!
Is it really supporting China or banning the three people who made a Blizzard stream a cause without permission so they cannot do it again on said streams?
Again, I agree with the sentiment of the guys, I just don't think that was the time and place.
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I'm basically 100% trolling people with this deck. The best part is that because it takes so long, I only pay half-attention to the game while multitasking on a second game, so I rope sometimes before playing my one Reno or Ice Block for the turn. :rotate:
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
I mostly see Tavern Brawl as a way to complete quests that I can't complete in Wild, like class quests for classes I don't have good decks in.
So while I think this Tavern Brawl is actually really really bad, I'm thankful that it's a brawl that has deckbuilding & class selection, rather than shit like last week's zombeast brawl.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
... and they picked the wrong one.
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That legitimately sucks, but keep in mind 1) enemies are semi-randomly ordered, so it is possible to face Gorebite with more than 15 health, 2) some heroes can make armor (Elise, notably), 3) it's meant to be a roguelite so sometimes you just get fucked by RNG, and 4) it's Hearthstone so sometimes you just get fucked by RNG
I totally get that losing to a bad dice roll feels bad and if you don't like roguelites then maybe, yeah, the adventures are probably not for you.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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You can totally blame them for banning a player for expressing a truthful and sincere statement. You just can't be very surprised by it. It has nothing to do with them sincerely desiring to have a space purely for entertainment, it has to do with China bringing in a huge amount of money to the company.
For the record, China is bad and all that but Blizzard would just as easily ban any player in the West if it came to it. Senior management is solely concerned with increasing profit.
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Yes. By taking action beyond future suspension, you generally cross the line into "we're taking a side". If it's their only platform, they're going to use it. This is more on Blizzard for skimping on production crews as if you thought it through and knew it was a risk, you'd time-delay the interview. League of Legends did just that when a Hong Kong team won a champ qualifier. This is Blizzard planning poorly, getting punished for it then making it worse by overreacting to the player/people involved.
Also note, Blizzard's subreddit is moderated by Blizzard. It's currently closed because of the backlash.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/269665/activison-blizzards-revenue-by-region/
Shrug. They did good things, I'm pretty OK with that even if they may also be trying to make money from it.
Making money is OK (or at least, I don't feel like arguing that now lol), making money by being unethical is icky
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Yep, I'd be totally ok with companies trying to out-good each other. "Oh yeah, we're replacing the prize money AND giving 1 million to fighting cancer" "Oh yeah, we also just funded 13 homeless shelters for 2 years" etc.
I'm not clear on how they do it but the Communists don't allow American games to be sold by Americans in China. American companies have to go through a Chinese publisher so all those WoW and Hearthstone players in China wouldn't be counted in that graph, yes?
which goes in line with what i've been saying for a very long time in that the people making the games aren't the ones running the company anymore, but
good for them, man
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1,765 million for 'online game services' across all franchises not just Blizz's. Even if all of that were for Blizz franchises and Blizz got 100% of it, it would still be under 20% of total revenue.
The HS reddit is just wall to wall "Fuck this I'm out", I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet, unless Blizz isn't moderating it
the hearthstone reddit is not moderated by blizzard employees
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I don't feel they are taking a side, I feel they just don't want this type of speak in their gaming streams. If they allow this, it will just spread and more people will turn a HS stream political for good and bad intentions. It's not the time and place.
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Sometimes humanitarian causes are more important than time and place. It's a video game tournament, not a funeral.