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    MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    They've got enough lobbying power to ensure that nobody can run new lines, so really the only hope is wireless internet getting really really good

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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    Stadia is a stupid idea that no one asked for. Literally no one wants this from you, Google. I'd sooner have a desktop Android OS than this useless streaming nonsense!

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    I saw somebody on Twitter speculate that Stadia's success or failure doesn't actually matter to Google because it's just a product being made as an excuse to argue for various ISP regulations and infrastructure changes that benefit Google's plans for future expansion.

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    DelduwathDelduwath Registered User regular
    edited July 2019
    Zxerol wrote: »
    Phil Harrison's interview is even better in that regard:
    In an interview Friday with GameSpot, Google VP Phil Harrison said his confidence stems from US broadband providers' history of treating their customers well.

    As he told GameSpot:
    "ISPs are smart [and] they understand that they're in the business of keeping customers happy and keeping customers with them for a long time," Harrison said.
    ISPs are in the business of running monopolies. Customer happiness is nowhere on the charts. As for keeping customers with them for a long time, yes, naturally; that is what a monopoly does.

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    SyphonBlueSyphonBlue The studying beaver That beaver sure loves studying!Registered User regular
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Stadia is a stupid idea that no one asked for. Literally no one wants this from you, Google. I'd sooner have a desktop Android OS than this useless streaming nonsense!

    I don't agree that it's a stupid idea, but it seems more of a solution in search of a problem. If it works well, I'd love to be able to just play any game on my PC in a browser in 4k and not have to worry about upgrading my PC and video card ever again. But Google is being incredibly obtuse about ISPs and how they operate and how they treat their customers.

    Microsoft is at least being realistic about it, and creating both a streaming platform AND a regular console platform.

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    IoloIolo iolo Registered User regular
    el_vicio wrote: »
    Yeah I just saw that via Day9. Can't believe it. What kind of fucked up illness was that?!

    Also I really hope Anna Prosser is properly shielded from the inevitable garbage from the usual suspects

    Oh is that her husband? He seemed like a genuinely nice dude. Fuuuuck, that is sad. :(

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    PerrsunPerrsun Registered User regular
    I like that the game has more licensed brands than species of fish

    And a lot of the fish shown in that trailer look like... eh... I don’t I’d want to eat the underwater potbelly pig that one of those characters was holding so proudly.

    But I’m guessing the branded merch is modeled perfectly.

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    ZxerolZxerol for the smaller pieces, my shovel wouldn't do so i took off my boot and used my shoeRegistered User regular
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Stadia is a stupid idea that no one asked for. Literally no one wants this from you, Google. I'd sooner have a desktop Android OS than this useless streaming nonsense!

    I don't agree that it's a stupid idea, but it seems more of a solution in search of a problem. If it works well, I'd love to be able to just play any game on my PC in a browser in 4k and not have to worry about upgrading my PC and video card ever again. But Google is being incredibly obtuse about ISPs and how they operate and how they treat their customers.

    Microsoft is at least being realistic about it, and creating both a streaming platform AND a regular console platform.

    And also allowing you to stream from your own console.

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    milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    Brolo wrote: »
    Karl wrote: »
    Ok, so it's not like I'm missing something.

    That dude just didn't answer the question

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    a: I get why you're worried about that. We all love our houses! I personally live in a house, a house is a great place for people to live inside of. Remember, the vast majority of houses haven't burned down yet. So you can rest assured that most houses are not on fire, and you'll always have the option of saving your personal property from your burning down house as long as you're fast enough. It's okay to doubt my words, but also remember that eventually the great flame will cleanse all of us, it will burn the world down until nobody can escape. We are but fuel for its eternal blaze!

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    IronKnuckle's GhostIronKnuckle's Ghost Registered User regular
    Re: Stadia and their non-answer on putting responsibility on ISPs.

    I'm sure I read a thing where one of the Google people talked about ISPs upped their infrastructure and extended data caps as a result of more people getting Netflix subscriptions a few years ago. That certainly sounds like a thing that may have happened, but did it actually?

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    DirtyboyDirtyboy Registered User regular
    Was watching David Brevik stream the other night and he went on a long rant about Stadia. Long story short, said he couldn't see it running at less than 150ms unless you were in a big city near a data center. Pointed out that no matter how good the tech, data can only move so fast back and forth in ideal situations and with their end handling the game it would always have some lag.

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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    edited July 2019
    Re: Stadia and their non-answer on putting responsibility on ISPs.

    I'm sure I read a thing where one of the Google people talked about ISPs upped their infrastructure and extended data caps as a result of more people getting Netflix subscriptions a few years ago. That certainly sounds like a thing that may have happened, but did it actually?

    it made a bunch of isps want to start bundling their own streaming content into their data plans, and zero-rate it so that it didn't count against a cap

    so you can only watch 10 hours of netflix a month without paying for more bandwidth, but you can watch unlimited comcast on-demand video!

    also we've upped your monthly fee by $7/month, but now you get FREE access to our UNLIMITED on demand video service!

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    MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    Re: Stadia and their non-answer on putting responsibility on ISPs.

    I'm sure I read a thing where one of the Google people talked about ISPs upped their infrastructure and extended data caps as a result of more people getting Netflix subscriptions a few years ago. That certainly sounds like a thing that may have happened, but did it actually?

    What I recall happening is ISPs started quietly and illegally throttling bandwidth from Netflix, to which Netflix created a speed test site specifically to test whether your ISP was throttling your Netflix

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    DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    Maddoc wrote: »
    Re: Stadia and their non-answer on putting responsibility on ISPs.

    I'm sure I read a thing where one of the Google people talked about ISPs upped their infrastructure and extended data caps as a result of more people getting Netflix subscriptions a few years ago. That certainly sounds like a thing that may have happened, but did it actually?

    What I recall happening is ISPs started quietly and illegally throttling bandwidth from Netflix, to which Netflix created a speed test site specifically to test whether your ISP was throttling your Netflix

    It was illegal, but isn't any more thanks to net neutrality being killed!

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    ZxerolZxerol for the smaller pieces, my shovel wouldn't do so i took off my boot and used my shoeRegistered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Maddoc wrote: »
    Re: Stadia and their non-answer on putting responsibility on ISPs.

    I'm sure I read a thing where one of the Google people talked about ISPs upped their infrastructure and extended data caps as a result of more people getting Netflix subscriptions a few years ago. That certainly sounds like a thing that may have happened, but did it actually?

    What I recall happening is ISPs started quietly and illegally throttling bandwidth from Netflix, to which Netflix created a speed test site specifically to test whether your ISP was throttling your Netflix

    It was illegal, but isn't any more thanks to net neutrality being killed!

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    el_vicioel_vicio Registered User regular
    Iolo wrote: »
    el_vicio wrote: »
    Yeah I just saw that via Day9. Can't believe it. What kind of fucked up illness was that?!

    Also I really hope Anna Prosser is properly shielded from the inevitable garbage from the usual suspects

    Oh is that her husband? He seemed like a genuinely nice dude. Fuuuuck, that is sad. :(

    Yeah. I remember (back in the day) how Anna was simply "inControl'S girlfriend", who would eventually be on the State of the Game podcast once or twice. He helped her get on the scene and all that, or rather her being around eG and starting to do interviews was her start

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    They divorced in 2018.

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    el_vicioel_vicio Registered User regular
    They divorced in 2018.

    Didn't know that. Either way, that's how she got on the e-sports and now twitch scene

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    WiseManTobesWiseManTobes Registered User regular
    I can't play Fractured But Whole, and solely for a personal bias. I fall asleep to TV, and for a while now I've just defaulted to a bunch of PVR'd south parks, mostly because rarely need to see video and can just listen, and also because pvr will override TV's sleep mode, so it doesn't turn off in the night and wake me up.

    And I've done that for too long now apparently, because I have tried 6 times now to play Fractured, and have passed out hard in the chair within 10 minutes no matter what I do, it's become a subconscious thing it seems rofl.

    South Park is now a Pavlov's bell that makes me sleep.

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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    edited July 2019
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Stadia is a stupid idea that no one asked for. Literally no one wants this from you, Google. I'd sooner have a desktop Android OS than this useless streaming nonsense!

    I don't agree that it's a stupid idea, but it seems more of a solution in search of a problem. If it works well, I'd love to be able to just play any game on my PC in a browser in 4k and not have to worry about upgrading my PC and video card ever again. But Google is being incredibly obtuse about ISPs and how they operate and how they treat their customers.

    Microsoft is at least being realistic about it, and creating both a streaming platform AND a regular console platform.

    It's not something we need or asked for. Because it hinges largely on the notion that American ISPs won't be shitty little pricks about bandwidth caps, throttling, and unethical anti-competitive practices, it's stupid.

    EDIT: Google's non-answers about title ownership, as well, is a huge red flag. If they can't give definitive answers about what, if any, part of the service ensures or protects ownership of titles, that's a bad sign.

    Hacksaw on
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    KadithKadith Registered User regular
    as someone who runs the network operations for an ISP that will soon be offering 1Gbps (via fiber) without datacaps

    you can bet i signed my privileged ass up for stadia

    but it's incredibly stupid, ISPs have no reason to upgrade and most aren't physically capable of offering solutions without significant investment and OSP construction

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    ElaroElaro Apologetic Registered User regular
    Kadith wrote: »
    as someone who runs the network operations for an ISP that will soon be offering 1Gbps (via fiber) without datacaps

    you can bet i signed my privileged ass up for stadia

    but it's incredibly stupid, ISPs have no reason to upgrade and most aren't physically capable of offering solutions without significant investment and OSP construction

    On-Site Procurement, huh?

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    TallahasseerielTallahasseeriel Registered User regular
    oh I guess I won a sweepstakes for a lithograph of a demon from the new Doom

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    DelduwathDelduwath Registered User regular
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    EDIT: Google's non-answers about title ownership, as well, is a huge red flag. If they can't give definitive answers about what, if any, part of the service ensures or protects ownership of titles, that's a bad sign.
    Do they even need to care about this, from a legal point of view? As I understand it (and I can't emphasize enough how much of a lawyer I am not) we don't actually own our games anyway, we're just getting a license to play them. Obviously prospective Stadia customers don't want to hear "Oh, you literally don't any of your digital stuff, servers can go down on a whim and you'll lose everything, so our service will be exactly like all those other services you already use", but from a legal perspective, does Google need to bother about this?

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    TcheldorTcheldor Registered User regular
    Delduwath wrote: »
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    EDIT: Google's non-answers about title ownership, as well, is a huge red flag. If they can't give definitive answers about what, if any, part of the service ensures or protects ownership of titles, that's a bad sign.
    Do they even need to care about this, from a legal point of view? As I understand it (and I can't emphasize enough how much of a lawyer I am not) we don't actually own our games anyway, we're just getting a license to play them. Obviously prospective Stadia customers don't want to hear "Oh, you literally don't any of your digital stuff, servers can go down on a whim and you'll lose everything, so our service will be exactly like all those other services you already use", but from a legal perspective, does Google need to bother about this?

    It's not a legal issue, it's a customers would like to own something and not have to lose everything if google cancels the program, issue.

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    JedocJedoc In the scuppers with the staggers and jagsRegistered User regular
    Delduwath wrote: »
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    EDIT: Google's non-answers about title ownership, as well, is a huge red flag. If they can't give definitive answers about what, if any, part of the service ensures or protects ownership of titles, that's a bad sign.
    Do they even need to care about this, from a legal point of view? As I understand it (and I can't emphasize enough how much of a lawyer I am not) we don't actually own our games anyway, we're just getting a license to play them. Obviously prospective Stadia customers don't want to hear "Oh, you literally don't any of your digital stuff, servers can go down on a whim and you'll lose everything, so our service will be exactly like all those other services you already use", but from a legal perspective, does Google need to bother about this?

    You are correct. Publishers very carefully blew the kneecaps off the first-sale doctrine when they wrote up the licensing agreements for digital media. It's why nobody can stop you from selling your old games on discs, but you can't resell your Steam games once you've played them. And it's why librarians have been fighting tooth and nail over fair licensing for the past decade just so we can lend ebooks like physical books.

    Results so far have been...mixed.

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    captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    Tcheldor wrote: »
    Delduwath wrote: »
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    EDIT: Google's non-answers about title ownership, as well, is a huge red flag. If they can't give definitive answers about what, if any, part of the service ensures or protects ownership of titles, that's a bad sign.
    Do they even need to care about this, from a legal point of view? As I understand it (and I can't emphasize enough how much of a lawyer I am not) we don't actually own our games anyway, we're just getting a license to play them. Obviously prospective Stadia customers don't want to hear "Oh, you literally don't any of your digital stuff, servers can go down on a whim and you'll lose everything, so our service will be exactly like all those other services you already use", but from a legal perspective, does Google need to bother about this?

    It's not a legal issue, it's a customers would like to own something and not have to lose everything if google cancels the program, issue.

    Yeah from a strictly legal standpoint we're all already fucked when it comes to ownership of non-physical media.

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    MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    Honestly the biggest thing, even if ISPs fall in line, is that I don't trust Google to maintain digital library in perpetuity

    I'd need to wait and see until it gets well established, and if too many people are thinking the same way it won't

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    HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    The second it becomes unprofitable, they'll lay down plans to discontinue the service forever.

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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    edited July 2019
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    The second it becomes unprofitable, they'll lay down plans to discontinue the service forever.

    I doubt it will ever be profitable

    but for now they're able to sell shareholders on it, despite it being a money pit

    at some point they'll have to disclose that it's not meeting projections for user growth

    then they'll announce the stadia project and its tech is being folded into "Youtube Gaming+" as part of their game rental service

    and then over the next year or two there will be fewer and fewer games that come to the service

    and eventually they'll announce that the team itself is gone, giving users 18 months to get their remaining saves and shit sorted out, before the service is gone altogether

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    Beef AvengerBeef Avenger Registered User regular
    Brolo wrote: »
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    The second it becomes unprofitable, they'll lay down plans to discontinue the service forever.

    I doubt it will ever be profitable

    but for now they're able to sell shareholders on it, despite it being a money pit

    at some point they'll have to disclose that it's not meeting projections for user growth

    then they'll announce the stadia project and its tech is being folded into "Youtube Gaming+" as part of their game rental service

    and then over the next year or two there will be fewer and fewer games that come to the service

    and eventually they'll announce that the team itself is gone give users 18 months to get their remaining saves and shit sorted out before the service is gone altogether

    The processing farms are going to be so fucking expensive to run, and they're going to have to be constantly upgraded if they actually want to maintain "top of the line settings". And the first time that there's a queue to play during a big game release people are going to lose their shit

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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    yeah the most interesting thing about the tech is if they have a good way of doing incremental scaling for gpu/cpu demand

    is it a separate graphics processor dedicated per user? or is there some novel way of distributing an arbitrary amount of shader cores from multiple processors simultaneously, so they can dynamically split the load between them?

    i've never heard of any way to do the latter option for something that requires low latency like gaming, it would fuck with all kinds of instruction timings and result in a massive amount of wasted cycles

    but buying massive amounts of graphics processors also seems like it couldn't possibly scale economically, particularly as last-year's GPUs go out of date and need to be replaced across the board

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    Crippl3Crippl3 oh noRegistered User regular
    Near A Tomato is currently on an incredibly rare sale, down almost $14 for a price of $26.79: https://store.steampowered.com/app/524220/NieRAutomata/

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    OlivawOlivaw good name, isn't it? the foot of mt fujiRegistered User regular

    After how much I ended up disliking the first one and also Lords of the Fallen I’m probably gonna pass on this

    I just don’t think those folks design good combat

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Olivaw wrote: »

    After how much I ended up disliking the first one and also Lords of the Fallen I’m probably gonna pass on this

    I just don’t think those folks design good combat

    The first one had some neat ideas and designs, but yeah. It didn't feel super great.

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    I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    Follow-up on Geoff, they've announced that it was a pulmonary embolism. He was able to go peacefully and quietly, among friends.

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    BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    Damn. Not surprised it was an embolism, that's the first thing that springs to mind when I think of dying of a sudden illness in your 30s, especially if you sit down at a computer a lot.

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    TaminTamin Registered User regular
    there's definitely something weird about the AI behind the leviathans

    I saw a Ghost Leviathan on the near side of the crater edge and took the opportunity to attack it. After each pass, it retreated farther in, towards the shallows. And, like the reapers before it, got stuck. In possibly the same place? I don't know what that's about.

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