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  • KorrorKorror Registered User regular
    milski wrote: »
    Gadwick is a very solid card in the weird Simic pile I play, but I'm not sure if a 4x of makes sense or not.

    I've just played 5-6 matches with that deck (-1 quench, +1 royal scions) and Gadwick feels like one of the best cards in that list. He's the card I'm happiest to topdeck and isn't too bad even in his 3/3 for 3 mode. All the creatures in that deck are good through I'm not completely sold on the quenches and the ral's outbursts which feel like the weaker cards in that deck.

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  • ChaosHatChaosHat HelloooooooooRegistered User regular
    edited December 2
    Korror wrote: »
    milski wrote: »
    Gadwick is a very solid card in the weird Simic pile I play, but I'm not sure if a 4x of makes sense or not.

    I've just played 5-6 matches with that deck (-1 quench, +1 royal scions) and Gadwick feels like one of the best cards in that list. He's the card I'm happiest to topdeck and isn't too bad even in his 3/3 for 3 mode. All the creatures in that deck are good through I'm not completely sold on the quenches and the ral's outbursts which feel like the weaker cards in that deck.

    I feel like you need the quenches against Teferi alone and there are some early game threats that are punishing and it's not really a dead card until pretty late in the game against most decks. I really love quenching Fires of Invention.

    The Ral's I'm 100% with you on though. 3 damage is kind of an awkward amount, it feels often like one too many or one too few, and it's pretty expensive overall. It is money when you top deck it late so you can just get deeper. I just don't know what to replace it with. Maybe scorching dragonfire? Same damage but cheaper and has some upside against cat?

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  • KorrorKorror Registered User regular
    edited December 2
    ChaosHat wrote: »
    Korror wrote: »
    milski wrote: »
    Gadwick is a very solid card in the weird Simic pile I play, but I'm not sure if a 4x of makes sense or not.

    I've just played 5-6 matches with that deck (-1 quench, +1 royal scions) and Gadwick feels like one of the best cards in that list. He's the card I'm happiest to topdeck and isn't too bad even in his 3/3 for 3 mode. All the creatures in that deck are good through I'm not completely sold on the quenches and the ral's outbursts which feel like the weaker cards in that deck.

    I feel like you need the quenches against Teferi alone and there are some early game threats that are punishing and it's not really a dead card until pretty late in the game against most decks. I really love quenching Fires of Invention.

    The Ral's I'm 100% with you on though. 3 damage is kind of an awkward amount, it feels often like one too many or one too few, and it's pretty expensive overall. It is money when you top deck it late so you can just get deeper. I just don't know what to replace it with. Maybe scorching dragonfire? Same damage but cheaper and has some upside against cat?

    I mostly agree with you. Quench looks so bad but it's been decent when I'm on the play, I mainly wonder if we can do better than decent. Negate and mystical dispute do almost the same thing and are better later. I'm not going to cut the quenches completely but I'm going to make sure I have negates/lava coils in the sideboard to replace them when I'm on the draw.

    Spectral sailor is also a card I'm thinking of running, maybe even cutting the ral's outbursts for it. It gives you something to play on turn 1 besides opt and gives you a mana sink later. There's been quite a few games where my removal has been mostly dead and ral's outburst reads 4 mana: draw a card which I can get from the sailor. It's also the best card you can play against U/W control as you can just play it turn one and grind them out in the long game. Even if they use removal on it, you either get a mana advantage or a card advantage if you activate it's ability.

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  • SokpuppetSokpuppet You only yoyo once Registered User regular
    I just played against a reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally cool White/Blue deck!

    They leveraged Teferi in to Smothering Tithe, and then used the Tithe mana to jam Emergency Powers - which set off Tithe seven more times.

  • VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    Sokpuppet wrote: »
    I just played against a reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally cool White/Blue deck!

    They leveraged Teferi in to Smothering Tithe, and then used the Tithe mana to jam Emergency Powers - which set off Tithe seven more times.

    Usually they work in a Nissa somewhere...

  • SokpuppetSokpuppet You only yoyo once Registered User regular
    Don't we all.

  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    and/or Narset

    Emergency Powers + Narset is just rude

  • milskimilski UNTZ UNTZ UNTZ UNTZ Registered User regular
    I think Teferi's time experiments on Ravnica have gone poorly

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    You can't write me off like that! You're just a voice, pal! You don't know a DAMN THING ABOUT RACING!!
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  • VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    edited December 3
    KalTorak wrote: »
    and/or Narset

    Emergency Powers + Narset is just rude

    Narset's what I meant. Got my obnoxious "N" planeswalkers confused there.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    Oh, I thought Nissa was a backup ramp method

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    I finished in Diamond 4 and I got placed in Gold 2? What the what

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  • ChaosHatChaosHat HelloooooooooRegistered User regular
    Korror wrote: »
    ChaosHat wrote: »
    Korror wrote: »
    milski wrote: »
    Gadwick is a very solid card in the weird Simic pile I play, but I'm not sure if a 4x of makes sense or not.

    I've just played 5-6 matches with that deck (-1 quench, +1 royal scions) and Gadwick feels like one of the best cards in that list. He's the card I'm happiest to topdeck and isn't too bad even in his 3/3 for 3 mode. All the creatures in that deck are good through I'm not completely sold on the quenches and the ral's outbursts which feel like the weaker cards in that deck.

    I feel like you need the quenches against Teferi alone and there are some early game threats that are punishing and it's not really a dead card until pretty late in the game against most decks. I really love quenching Fires of Invention.

    The Ral's I'm 100% with you on though. 3 damage is kind of an awkward amount, it feels often like one too many or one too few, and it's pretty expensive overall. It is money when you top deck it late so you can just get deeper. I just don't know what to replace it with. Maybe scorching dragonfire? Same damage but cheaper and has some upside against cat?

    I mostly agree with you. Quench looks so bad but it's been decent when I'm on the play, I mainly wonder if we can do better than decent. Negate and mystical dispute do almost the same thing and are better later. I'm not going to cut the quenches completely but I'm going to make sure I have negates/lava coils in the sideboard to replace them when I'm on the draw.

    Spectral sailor is also a card I'm thinking of running, maybe even cutting the ral's outbursts for it. It gives you something to play on turn 1 besides opt and gives you a mana sink later. There's been quite a few games where my removal has been mostly dead and ral's outburst reads 4 mana: draw a card which I can get from the sailor. It's also the best card you can play against U/W control as you can just play it turn one and grind them out in the long game. Even if they use removal on it, you either get a mana advantage or a card advantage if you activate it's ability.

    Spectral Sailor I could see as a 1 or 2 of. I wouldn't even see it as a threat on turn 1 to play along side/instead of Opt as much as the card draw like you mentioned, so I wouldn't want to see it except for late when I could cast and activate it at the same time at the end of their turn and at least get one use out of it. If I have the 1/1, play it at end of turn 1 and it swings for 1 and then they stomp it on turn 2 I'm not really ahead or any better off than I was before. Even if it's 1 for 1 (trades with say, Shock), playing the more controlling deck I'm still not where I want to be.

    I've thought about cutting the Ral's for Chemister's Insight. Or maybe doing 2 and 2? My instincts are to lean towards a more control footing though and maybe I'm not being aggressive enough.

  • DemonStaceyDemonStacey TTODewback's Daughter In love with the TaySwayRegistered User regular
    I finished in Diamond 4 and I got placed in Gold 2? What the what

    It's a set spot you get soft reset to based on your last rank. It will never be a surprise, you can look up the chart.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    My God, the computer drafter is an honest to God idiot.

    It passed me the 2/2 knight with menance and draw a card in the first fuckin pack.

    Then it passed me fires of invention and like, two other rare black/red knights and an ogre stomper

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Seriously guys
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    Almost every rare here was passed to me

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  • ChaosHatChaosHat HelloooooooooRegistered User regular
    Drafting is definitely the worst thing about arena. They're still supposed to put in real player pods as an option, right? The fact that I could stop mid draft and do something else has been nice with an infant, but I also think that in general asking someone to set aside 30 minutes to pick cards isn't that totally unreasonable. Let them finish the matches at their own pace, I don't think you need to play against the people you drafted against, but at least the decks would make more sense and be better training for real paper drafts.

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  • SniperGuySniperGuy Also known as Dohaeris Registered User regular
    ChaosHat wrote: »
    Drafting is definitely the worst thing about arena. They're still supposed to put in real player pods as an option, right? The fact that I could stop mid draft and do something else has been nice with an infant, but I also think that in general asking someone to set aside 30 minutes to pick cards isn't that totally unreasonable. Let them finish the matches at their own pace, I don't think you need to play against the people you drafted against, but at least the decks would make more sense and be better training for real paper drafts.

    I don't think they've ever said they're going to do that. It'd be nice as an option, but I doubt it'll happen.

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  • VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    ChaosHat wrote: »
    Drafting is definitely the worst thing about arena. They're still supposed to put in real player pods as an option, right? The fact that I could stop mid draft and do something else has been nice with an infant, but I also think that in general asking someone to set aside 30 minutes to pick cards isn't that totally unreasonable. Let them finish the matches at their own pace, I don't think you need to play against the people you drafted against, but at least the decks would make more sense and be better training for real paper drafts.

    I don't think they've ever said they're going to do that. It'd be nice as an option, but I doubt it'll happen.

    Even if they do, bot drafting will probably still be the only way to convert coins to gems.

  • DemonStaceyDemonStacey TTODewback's Daughter In love with the TaySwayRegistered User regular
    Plus 30min seems kinda hopeful. You would definitely have drafts taking longer than that. All it takes is 1 person per pack to be taking their time and researching each card to hold the whole thing up. I see streamers taking 30+ minutes by themselves against bots with less to consider.

    And whatever timer they place has to be lenient enough to reasonably allow for a disconnected person to reconnect and pick and not be screwed over.

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  • SniperGuySniperGuy Also known as Dohaeris Registered User regular
    You can do drafts against real people in MTGO and it takes a while

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  • ChaosHatChaosHat HelloooooooooRegistered User regular
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    ChaosHat wrote: »
    Drafting is definitely the worst thing about arena. They're still supposed to put in real player pods as an option, right? The fact that I could stop mid draft and do something else has been nice with an infant, but I also think that in general asking someone to set aside 30 minutes to pick cards isn't that totally unreasonable. Let them finish the matches at their own pace, I don't think you need to play against the people you drafted against, but at least the decks would make more sense and be better training for real paper drafts.

    I don't think they've ever said they're going to do that. It'd be nice as an option, but I doubt it'll happen.

    It says this on the last roadmap post I could find.
    And the features on the roadmap are the ones we're ready to talk about. We're always working internally on lots of additional features we want in the game (which includes many of the features you want too!). Pod Drafts, Spectating, Data API, four-player formats, and lots of other, crazier things come up all the time.

    I assume pod drafts are actual humans. You could maybe limit real human drafts to a certain ranking in limited so it would minimize people who have to actually look up and research each and every card.

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    I mean, drafting against actual humans is one thing.

    Drafting and then playing against those humans is another thing.

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  • ChaosHatChaosHat HelloooooooooRegistered User regular
    I mean, drafting against actual humans is one thing.

    Drafting and then playing against those humans is another thing.

    Like I said, I don't think you need to play against those humans.

  • VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    ChaosHat wrote: »
    I mean, drafting against actual humans is one thing.

    Drafting and then playing against those humans is another thing.

    Like I said, I don't think you need to play against those humans.

    You should, IMO. When I draft I want it to only be against the people who saw the same packs and sent/received the same signals I did. I don't want to navigate my way through trash in a pod of sharks only to be paired up against someone who opened god packs at a table of stuffed animals. If I wanted that I'd play Sealed.

  • rahkeesh2000rahkeesh2000 Registered User regular
    edited December 3
    Eternal already did this right with asynchronous drafting, where AI plays a minimal role. I don't know why they thought bots were the better route.

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  • ChaosHatChaosHat HelloooooooooRegistered User regular
    Vyolynce wrote: »
    ChaosHat wrote: »
    I mean, drafting against actual humans is one thing.

    Drafting and then playing against those humans is another thing.

    Like I said, I don't think you need to play against those humans.

    You should, IMO. When I draft I want it to only be against the people who saw the same packs and sent/received the same signals I did. I don't want to navigate my way through trash in a pod of sharks only to be paired up against someone who opened god packs at a table of stuffed animals. If I wanted that I'd play Sealed.

    I mean you're already doing the second part. Human drafters would be a step up in that they would at least read signals, adapt to the meta and would prevent the mill meta.

  • VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    ChaosHat wrote: »
    Vyolynce wrote: »
    ChaosHat wrote: »
    I mean, drafting against actual humans is one thing.

    Drafting and then playing against those humans is another thing.

    Like I said, I don't think you need to play against those humans.

    You should, IMO. When I draft I want it to only be against the people who saw the same packs and sent/received the same signals I did. I don't want to navigate my way through trash in a pod of sharks only to be paired up against someone who opened god packs at a table of stuffed animals. If I wanted that I'd play Sealed.

    I mean you're already doing the second part. Human drafters would be a step up in that they would at least read signals, adapt to the meta and would prevent the mill meta.

    Yeah but the difference is that everybody is at the stuffed animals table right now.

  • YiliasYilias Registered User regular
    If you have Twitch Prime there's a code up for a free Dimir deck:

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  • SnicketysnickSnicketysnick The Greatest Hype Man in WesterosRegistered User regular
    I will absolutely take a free extra Liliana yes, anything else is just bonus

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  • DemonStaceyDemonStacey TTODewback's Daughter In love with the TaySwayRegistered User regular
    Does this one actually give you copies of each or does it only give you what you don't have?

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  • admanbadmanb unionize your workplace Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    Does this one actually give you copies of each or does it only give you what you don't have?

    Dunno about vault progress but I only had two Lili and now I have three.

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  • ElbasunuElbasunu Registered User regular
    Is fires even good in draft?

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  • SnicketysnickSnicketysnick The Greatest Hype Man in WesterosRegistered User regular
    Can confirm it gives copies of stuff you may have

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  • DemonStaceyDemonStacey TTODewback's Daughter In love with the TaySwayRegistered User regular
    admanb wrote: »
    Does this one actually give you copies of each or does it only give you what you don't have?

    Dunno about vault progress but I only had two Lili and now I have three.

    Awesome! That's what i like to hear.

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  • WyvernWyvern Registered User regular
    Dang, free Liliana and Enter the God-Eternals would have been pretty sweet for the kinds of decks I've been interested in lately, but I've never had any use for Prime.

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  • VyolynceVyolynce Registered User regular
    The recent patch fixed/updated the Eldraine draft bots, so it's no longer Millfest 2019.

    Unrelated, my first 7-2 in ELD!

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    This deck was hilarious. Lost to RG enormous monsters (Grumgully helped) and monogreen Adventures (they found their Innkeeper and I didn't).

  • SkutSkutSkutSkut Registered User regular
    edited December 4
    While Orhzov is technically the best to draft in Allegiance draft I went 7-0 with Simic. Zeguna does not care about your Ill-Gotten Inheritance.

    I almost have the whole allegiance set now too.

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  • AntoshkaAntoshka Miauen Oil Change LazarusRegistered User regular
    Oh, eldraine draft may actually be playable again, then. I so loved facing merfolk mill every time.

    I've been grinding to a ridiculous degree, practicing with the deck that I'm taking to Brisbane tommorow, and I think I may get through about half of my first game at my first GP before giving up, due to excessive cat-ovening.

    I have cooked so many cats, at this point.

    I remember, in the distant days of eldraine spoilers, where I thought it would be a fun little mechanic to maybe use in draft for value.

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  • SokpuppetSokpuppet You only yoyo once Registered User regular
    At least we know why the Carnarium is crying...

    all those onions.

  • WyvernWyvern Registered User regular
    Antoshka wrote: »
    Oh, eldraine draft may actually be playable again, then. I so loved facing merfolk mill every time.
    Yeah, it's a totally different meta. Red aggro decks in particular seem to do well now that every game isn't an endless field of 4-toughness blockers.

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