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American Carnage - 31 Killed Between Mass Shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Dayton victim demographics: 6 black, 3 white. Shooter's sister was one of the 3 white victims, obviously.

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  • HenroidHenroid Radio Demon Internet HellRegistered User regular
    Dayton victim demographics: 6 black, 3 white. Shooter's sister was one of the 3 white victims, obviously.
    Wait, does that mean her boyfriend wasn't white?

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar Audio Game Developer Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    Tyson started getting cancelled quite some time ago for the sexual assault allegations and some other stuff.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/08/04/three-mass-shootings-this-year-began-with-hateful-screed-chan-its-founder-calls-it-terrorist-refuge-plain-sight/
    “Once again, a terrorist used 8chan to spread his message as he knew people would save it and spread it,” Fredrick Brennan, who founded 8chan in 2013 but stopped working with the site’s owners in December, told The Washington Post. “The board is a receptive audience for domestic terrorists.”
    The site has survived, extremism experts said, in part due to a reluctance from some law-enforcement and intelligence officials to categorize white-supremacist and far-right movements as terrorism threats. The site has for years been shielded by U.S. laws that limit websites’ legal liability for what their users post and has been further protected by an Internet infrastructure that makes it difficult to take sites down.
    It is probably not helpful how many white supremacist law enforcement officials there are.

    I mean, they took over law enforcement actively and intentionally.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Police are now saying 30 seconds to neutralize the asshole in Dayton. And he still had 36 victims.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited August 4
    Henroid wrote: »
    Dayton victim demographics: 6 black, 3 white. Shooter's sister was one of the 3 white victims, obviously.
    Wait, does that mean her boyfriend wasn't white?

    We don't know yet. The other white victims were young men, there were also black men her age among the deceased.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    Tyson started getting cancelled quite some time ago for the sexual assault allegations and some other stuff.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/08/04/three-mass-shootings-this-year-began-with-hateful-screed-chan-its-founder-calls-it-terrorist-refuge-plain-sight/
    “Once again, a terrorist used 8chan to spread his message as he knew people would save it and spread it,” Fredrick Brennan, who founded 8chan in 2013 but stopped working with the site’s owners in December, told The Washington Post. “The board is a receptive audience for domestic terrorists.”
    The site has survived, extremism experts said, in part due to a reluctance from some law-enforcement and intelligence officials to categorize white-supremacist and far-right movements as terrorism threats. The site has for years been shielded by U.S. laws that limit websites’ legal liability for what their users post and has been further protected by an Internet infrastructure that makes it difficult to take sites down.
    It is probably not helpful how many white supremacist law enforcement officials there are.

    I mean, they took over law enforcement actively and intentionally.

    Take over implies that it wasn't the original point, to some degree

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  • Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    Police are now saying 30 seconds to neutralize the asshole in Dayton. And he still had 36 victims.

    This sounds like bullshit. I don't see how you neutralize someone in 30 seconds after that many victims *and* take them alive. Barring his weapon jamming and the cops being surprisingly lenient like they always fucking seem to be toward these assholes.

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Phoenix-D wrote: »
    Police are now saying 30 seconds to neutralize the asshole in Dayton. And he still had 36 victims.

    This sounds like bullshit. I don't see how you neutralize someone in 30 seconds after that many victims *and* take them alive. Barring his weapon jamming and the cops being surprisingly lenient like they always fucking seem to be toward these assholes.

    Dayton suspect is dead. They have video of THAT, which the Dayton police just showed at a press conference. And they showed separated surveillance footage where the whole thing is about 30 seconds, yeah.

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar Audio Game Developer Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    Phoenix-D wrote: »
    Police are now saying 30 seconds to neutralize the asshole in Dayton. And he still had 36 victims.

    This sounds like bullshit. I don't see how you neutralize someone in 30 seconds after that many victims *and* take them alive. Barring his weapon jamming and the cops being surprisingly lenient like they always fucking seem to be toward these assholes.

    Honestly, if that's how they want to play it *it only takes 30 seconds for these folks to have 36 victims* so even if the police are right freaking there they're still not stopping massacres.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Phoenix-D wrote: »
    Police are now saying 30 seconds to neutralize the asshole in Dayton. And he still had 36 victims.

    This sounds like bullshit. I don't see how you neutralize someone in 30 seconds after that many victims *and* take them alive. Barring his weapon jamming and the cops being surprisingly lenient like they always fucking seem to be toward these assholes.

    The Dayton shooter wasn't taken alive.

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  • Mild ConfusionMild Confusion Smash All Things Registered User regular
    edited August 4
    It was the El Paso shooter that survived.

    It’s so easy to confuse our mass shootings, since there’s so many of them.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Police clarifying: the man the sister was with is NOT one of the deceased, but he was shot. They also say she was not the first victim, but an "early victim."

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  • MortiousMortious The Nightmare Begins Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    At least the 8chan connection is getting more traction this time around. It popped up in some of the previous mass shootings, and due it popping up again and again it'll give people an easy target which might actually get law enforcement to do something.

    And here's the NZ political cartoon take if anyone's interested.
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  • TheBigEasyTheBigEasy Registered User regular
    Just out of curiosity - when was the last of these incidents in the US carried out by a non-white person? 9/11?

    Other than thoughts and prayers, nothing will happen - but I do hope the Democrats finally wake up a bit and make McConnell's life hell for the next few weeks with every little procedural fuckery they can conjure up.

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Basically it seems like we are tremendously lucky that there were a ton of police stationed (I think I saw at least six on the surveillance tape) in that area, he was killed just as he was trying to enter a pretty crowded bar.

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  • MortiousMortious The Nightmare Begins Move to New ZealandRegistered User regular
    TheBigEasy wrote: »
    Just out of curiosity - when was the last of these incidents in the US carried out by a non-white person? 9/11?

    Other than thoughts and prayers, nothing will happen - but I do hope the Democrats finally wake up a bit and make McConnell's life hell for the next few weeks with every little procedural fuckery they can conjure up.

    There was a military base shooting and a work place party shooting that I recall off-hand.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    TheBigEasy wrote: »
    Just out of curiosity - when was the last of these incidents in the US carried out by a non-white person? 9/11?

    Other than thoughts and prayers, nothing will happen - but I do hope the Democrats finally wake up a bit and make McConnell's life hell for the next few weeks with every little procedural fuckery they can conjure up.

    San Bernardino, I think.

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  • Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    TheBigEasy wrote: »
    Just out of curiosity - when was the last of these incidents in the US carried out by a non-white person? 9/11?

    Pulse Nightclub is the one that springs to mind

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  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    My wife used to go that bar in Dayton when she was a student there :(

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    I'm kind of confused by something the Dayton police chief was saying. I think it sounded like the shooter, his sister, and the "companion" who was wounded all came to the area together, separated, and then he started shooting and killed her early in the attack. But then CNN cut away because Trump landed back in DC.

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  • HenroidHenroid Radio Demon Internet HellRegistered User regular
    I'm kind of confused by something the Dayton police chief was saying. I think it sounded like the shooter, his sister, and the "companion" who was wounded all came to the area together, separated, and then he started shooting and killed her early in the attack. But then CNN cut away because Trump landed back in DC.
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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    He said "hate has no place in our country" in another example of a case where cognitive dissonance melting the human brain would be so useful.

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  • TheBigEasyTheBigEasy Registered User regular
    edited August 4
    Yeah, both San Bernadino and Pulse were perpetrated by non-white people. I was just wondering, cause everytime after an incident like this people go "imagine if this was a muslim/black/brown person doing this" and I went "wait, when actually did a non-white person commit something like this?".

    I have nothing else. I wrote a few comments and deleted them again. It just - I am sorry, you guys have to go through this with such regularity. I am 41 years old and never in my life have I touched a proper gun, let alone fired one (except maybe an air gun). Or have been in the presence of a gun being fired. To think that in a supposedly civilized country, people are perpetually afraid to go about their everyday lives, is mind-boggling.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    He said "hate has no place in our country" in another example of a case where cognitive dissonance melting the human brain would be so useful.

    Watching the difference between this president and his empty platitudes, and Obama with his "why the fuck does this keep happening?" sadness is like night and day. What won't be night and day is the nothing our government does. Probably ban video games.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    He said "hate has no place in our country" in another example of a case where cognitive dissonance melting the human brain would be so useful.

    Watching the difference between this president and his empty platitudes, and Obama with his "why the fuck does this keep happening?" sadness is like night and day. What won't be night and day is the nothing our government does. Probably ban video games.

    Safe to say Trump won't be singing "Amazing Grace."

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Oh he also did the mental illness bullshit.

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  • SyphonBlueSyphonBlue Registered User regular
    It is long past time we do what the right wing gun nuts have always been so scared of us doing: take the guns

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  • Doctor DetroitDoctor Detroit Registered User regular
    Oh he also did the mental illness bullshit.

    With Trump, I’m not sure what way to interpret this statement.

  • mrpakumrpaku Registered User regular
    Trace wrote: »
    Stick to talking about black holes Neil.

    Shut up and dribble?

    Frankly I don't think this is comparable at all to Laura Ingram telling LeBron James not to criticize the president

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    Oh he also did the mental illness bullshit.

    With Trump, I’m not sure what way to interpret this statement.

    The real problem is mental illness, nothing else. Which we will do exactly nothing to help with, which is how you know I am just saying this to dodge the gun issue.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Yeah even when liberals agree and are like "ok lets do something about that!" They go "Umm well no we can't do that either..."

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  • Stabbity StyleStabbity Style Warning: Mothership Reporting Richland, WARegistered User regular
    mrpaku wrote: »
    Trace wrote: »
    Stick to talking about black holes Neil.

    Shut up and dribble?

    Frankly I don't think this is comparable at all to Laura Ingram telling LeBron James not to criticize the president

    Why? You're telling a black entertainer to stay in their lane instead of talk about politics.

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  • XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    edited August 4
    mrpaku wrote: »
    Trace wrote: »
    Stick to talking about black holes Neil.

    Shut up and dribble?

    Frankly I don't think this is comparable at all to Laura Ingram telling LeBron James not to criticize the president

    Why? You're telling a black entertainer to stay in their lane instead of talk about politics.

    I'd tell a white genius to stop saying stupid things outside of their field too

    hell, anyone really.

    edit: or rather, I guess say what you want, but you're wrong and sound like an ass. (not you, Tyson (in this case))

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  • klemmingklemming Registered User regular
    The problem can't be guns, and it certainly can't possibly be the hate-filled rhetoric the President of the United States has been spouting on a daily basis. Maybe it was immigratio- oh wait, the shooters were white.

    It was probably videogames to blame. We should tax them more.

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  • CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    Yeah even when liberals agree and are like "ok lets do something about that!" They go "Umm well no we can't do that either..."

    “Sure, let’s do something about mental illness. Let’s create universal healthcare, and get these guys the care they need!”

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  • GnizmoGnizmo Registered User regular
    mrpaku wrote: »
    Trace wrote: »
    Stick to talking about black holes Neil.

    Shut up and dribble?

    Frankly I don't think this is comparable at all to Laura Ingram telling LeBron James not to criticize the president

    Why? You're telling a black entertainer to stay in their lane instead of talk about politics.

    There are substantive arguments to make as to why guns aren't the problem, or even that mass shootings aren't as terrible as we might think. I have never found the arguments compelling, but I have seen people offer data to support their argument. That is not what's being offered in that tweet. It is a blanket dismissal of 36 murders as not a big deal cause people die all the time. The most charitable read I can imagine is that he is being tone deaf and didn't mean to minimize the massive suffering the families of the victims and survivors are going through.

    I am going to have to check out the new DSM. My copy doesn't seem to include Randomly Shoots A Bunch Of People For No Reason as a diagnosis. Maybe it is in the back. Until then I think I am going to stick with my assertion that being super racist isn't mental illness. It's being an awful human being. Therapy can help with that, but it requires admitting what the problem actually is.

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  • HenroidHenroid Radio Demon Internet HellRegistered User regular
    "Video games are to blame because they promote guns, btw guns are good actually," says Republicans.

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  • mrpakumrpaku Registered User regular
    mrpaku wrote: »
    Trace wrote: »
    Stick to talking about black holes Neil.

    Shut up and dribble?

    Frankly I don't think this is comparable at all to Laura Ingram telling LeBron James not to criticize the president

    Why? You're telling a black entertainer to stay in their lane instead of talk about politics.

    No, I'm expecting a scientist to not misrepresent statistics to try and rationalize away another national tragedy, especially when the benefit to society to do so is seemingly nonexistent (LeBron was there to talk about his school and the good it was doing for his community and got asked a question, Tyson seemingly is whatabouting insensitively for clicks)

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  • NSDFRandNSDFRand FloridaRegistered User regular
    edited August 4

    This is absolutely dumb. American citizens are murdered in Mexico (between Jun2017 and Jun2018 half of all AMCITS murdered outside of the US were murdered in Mexico) and it would be just as dumb for the SecState to announce that the US was taking "legal action against Mexico for failing to protect US citizens in Mexico".

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