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  • WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    Were Zelda 2 to be remade, it would need the Resident Evil 2 treatment rather than the Link's Awakening treatment

    Nintendo will of course never do that; given this, Zelda 2 should remain a weird, janky, frustrating NES game

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  • The Escape GoatThe Escape Goat of course Registered User regular
    remake Zelda 2 but it's a Quake clone

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  • ShortyShorty JUDGE BROSEF Registered User regular
    Zelda 2 does a lot of cool shit and it's a really neat iteration on the first game

    but it's also held back by the hardware and, yeah, lack of experience designing games

    imo the biggest problem, other than the punishing difficulty, is the same one that the original Metroid had, which was that rooms with the same tileset were basically impossible to tell apart, and the decision not to have an in-game dungeon map is pretty indefensible because of that

    ultimately I wouldn't say it holds up well, not in any absolute sense, but I would say that I'd rather play it than damn near any of its contemporaries

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  • ShortyShorty JUDGE BROSEF Registered User regular
    Wyborn wrote: »
    Were Zelda 2 to be remade, it would need the Resident Evil 2 treatment rather than the Link's Awakening treatment

    Nintendo will of course never do that; given this, Zelda 2 should remain a weird, janky, frustrating NES game

    hmmmm I dunno

    I think the more apt comparison is Metroid: Zero Mission, and I don't think that's impossible

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  • WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    I've never gotten further than two dungeons deep on Zelda 2 and I don't suspect I'll ever have occasion to. I've played a lot of NES games, including ones older and younger, and I don't think Adventure of Link compares well to contemporaneous texts. It tries to do too much, between the RPG elements and the punishing platforming and the combat that feels arbitrary at first blush and the exploration being like its predecessor only everything takes 5 times longer to do or check or travel between

    It's a game that is overshadowed by its forebear and its successor, and rightfully so. I want to like it--hell I want desperately to like it--but it is a thorny, stand-offish game that doesn't realize when its reach is exceeding its grasp.

    I would very much like a good Zelda platformer, though. Including one with good RPG elements. Let an indie studio handle that; have them make a game that's like Adventure of Link, only with better signposting and better combat and better platforming, and I think it could be a real gem

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  • WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    edited December 2
    Shorty wrote: »
    Wyborn wrote: »
    Were Zelda 2 to be remade, it would need the Resident Evil 2 treatment rather than the Link's Awakening treatment

    Nintendo will of course never do that; given this, Zelda 2 should remain a weird, janky, frustrating NES game

    hmmmm I dunno

    I think the more apt comparison is Metroid: Zero Mission, and I don't think that's impossible

    You know, that is pretty apt, I had forgotten about Zero Mission (though that was 15 years ago and Nintendo's never really done anything like it since).

    Still, take that central thesis, and you're left with a problem. Zero Mission was, "What if the original Metroid played like Super?" RE2Make was, "What if RE2 played like a scarier RE4?" We're left with a question: what would Adventure of Link look like? It would be a new game, more or less. I just don't know that we could expect that out of the team, especially since Zelda doesn't have a Sakamoto who's obsessed with bringing the lore of the series in line

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  • ShortyShorty JUDGE BROSEF Registered User regular
    yes that is fair

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  • Kevin CristKevin Crist I make the devil hit his knees and say the 'our father'Registered User regular
    Remake Zelda 2 and get the team behind Guilty Gear Xrd/DBZF

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  • Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    I just can't really do games as old as Zelda 1 or 2
    I wasn't raised on them and it's hard for me to navigate them and stay engaged

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Zelda 1 is fine and playable still.

    Zelda 2 is a fuckin nightmare.

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  • MorivethMoriveth ESCA FLOWNERegistered User regular
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    I just can't really do games as old as Zelda 1 or 2
    I wasn't raised on them and it's hard for me to navigate them and stay engaged

    Same, I appreciate the games for what they are and what they became but dang, they're tough to play now.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Moriveth wrote: »
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    I just can't really do games as old as Zelda 1 or 2
    I wasn't raised on them and it's hard for me to navigate them and stay engaged

    Same, I appreciate the games for what they are and what they became but dang, they're tough to play now.

    Zelda one is perfectly fine! It's got very simple controls and simple goals and isn't like, turbo bullshit like Zelda 2.

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  • Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    Zelda 1 is playable until the 4th or so dungeon when the game turns into "I dunno try every item on every tile of the map until you get lucky"

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  • KwoaruKwoaru Registered User regular
    edited December 2
    Zelda 1 has no map and every screen looks exactly the same

    Edit plus all the hidden shit you have to find with no actual clues

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  • ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    Zelda 2 is in my top 3 zelda games

    I fucking love that game and would do anything for a sequel

    My caveat is you absolutely must use a wallthrough

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    Moriveth wrote: »
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    I just can't really do games as old as Zelda 1 or 2
    I wasn't raised on them and it's hard for me to navigate them and stay engaged

    Same, I appreciate the games for what they are and what they became but dang, they're tough to play now.

    Zelda one is perfectly fine! It's got very simple controls and simple goals and isn't like, turbo bullshit like Zelda 2.
    Man if someone says "yeah I can't play those games but I respect them" you don't have to reply back with "no they're totally playable and fine"

    I also cannot play those games and get any sort of enjoyment out of them but I understand how important they are

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  • MorivethMoriveth ESCA FLOWNERegistered User regular
    If I put the work in I could probably play Zelda fine

    But like

    There are so many games to play that build off what Zelda started I don’t feel the need to do so

    It’s like how I don’t care much about Seinfeld despite it being the inspiration for a lot of modern comedy

  • I needed a gnome to post.I needed a gnome to post. i did meet some of the most insufferable people but, they also met meRegistered User regular
    zelda???? more like "no thank you i don't have any particular desire to play that in 2019"!!!!

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Zelda 1 was designed so that you'd make a map with people and talk about the secrets you found.

    So like, using a guide that tells you which tiles to do what with is actually doing the game a solid.

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  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    I actually feel like Zelda 2 is more of a "necessary"* experience for a Zelda fan than Zelda 1, because it's one of the most unique of the whole series. A majority of the series is either Zelda 1-esque or Ocarina of Time-esque. Zelda 2 kind of sits on its own.

    I'm definitely in the "Zelda 2 is pretty damned awesome" camp and it is of my favorites of the series, though, so take my opinion for what it is.

    *I mean, nothing is necessary here, but if someone asked me if it was better to play Zelda 1 or Zelda 2, I would argue Zelda 2, since Zelda 1's feel and formula has been approximated and improved upon so many times already.

  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    The best version of zelda 1 is the adventure mode map in hyrule warriors

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  • MorivethMoriveth ESCA FLOWNERegistered User regular
    Despite having very little affection for Zelda lore, I enjoy the occasional round of Hyrule Warriors.

  • The Escape GoatThe Escape Goat of course Registered User regular
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    I just can't really do games as old as Zelda 1 or 2
    I wasn't raised on them and it's hard for me to navigate them and stay engaged

    this, but OoT

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  • GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    Zelda 1 is just as weird as Zelda 2 is in hindsight, it's just Zelda 2 has more of mechanical barrier and is way more visually distinct from the rest of the series

  • turtleantturtleant Gunpla Dad is the best.Registered User regular
    If people want a somewhat more friendly version of Zelda 1 they should look into BS Zelda no Densetsu for the SNES.

    BS stands for Broadcast Satellite. The game was for a weird add on for the SNES that downloaded things off of radio signals, and the game had events that triggered off broadcasts that went out at certain times.

    A couple years ago folk managed to compile the thing, translate it, and release it as a ROM, and made the broadcast events trigger from dungeon completions.

    IDK how hard it is to find now a days since Nintendo went scorched earth on the emulation scene.

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  • ShortyShorty JUDGE BROSEF Registered User regular
    I played a version of that way back in...I'm not sure, like 1999 or 2000, somewhere in there

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 3
    Gundi wrote: »
    Zelda 1 is just as weird as Zelda 2 is in hindsight, it's just Zelda 2 has more of mechanical barrier and is way more visually distinct from the rest of the series

    Eh, Zelda 2 has a lot of really esoteric secrets that aren't intuitive and way more "mandatory item X to progress" and ways to accidentally get fucked. And also the fact that you have to go through Death Fucking Mountain at the start of the game is a hamper on it.

    But really the issue to me is that it uses way to many bad systems (XP, magic, stats) that were incredibly unrefined on the NES compared to Zelda 1, which has very few elements that while unrefined can still work well because the core is still good.

    EDIT: If anything Zelda 2 is more of a metroidvania prototype than anything else.

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  • turtleantturtleant Gunpla Dad is the best.Registered User regular
    Yeah I think a modern Zelda 2 would end up being pretty similar to a Metroid game. Or Castlevania more like.

    Which, uh, yes please.

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  • DonnictonDonnicton Hey it's me, your old pal Movie Sonic - let me in. LEMME IN. Registered User regular
    turtleant wrote: »
    If people want a somewhat more friendly version of Zelda 1 they should look into BS Zelda no Densetsu for the SNES.
    BS stands for Broadcast Satellite. The game was for a weird add on for the SNES that downloaded things off of radio signals, and the game had events that triggered off broadcasts that went out at certain times.

    BS Zelda was broadcast in I believe four separate parts, each part during one week increments within a period of a month for a total of about four months between late 1995 and early 1997, not ever as a single full game. The Satellaview only kept a broadcast in memory until the next one, which meant that finding a Satellaview with a specific broadcast in memory that hadn't been overwritten by the next week's broadcast was exceedingly rare(it basically had to have never been turned used again since that broadcast), moreso when you're trying to track down specific parts of four total. Not going to really go into this for obvious reasons but as you can probably guess, many years of hunting by retro hounds eventually turned up all four broadcasts in some form or another and the game was pieced together into a full experience. It's basically a full SNES quality remake of the original game and is really quite gorgeous for what it is, it's a shame we never got it.

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  • EnlongEnlong Registered User regular
    edited December 3
    turtleant wrote: »
    If people want a somewhat more friendly version of Zelda 1 they should look into BS Zelda no Densetsu for the SNES.

    BS stands for Broadcast Satellite. The game was for a weird add on for the SNES that downloaded things off of radio signals, and the game had events that triggered off broadcasts that went out at certain times.

    A couple years ago folk managed to compile the thing, translate it, and release it as a ROM, and made the broadcast events trigger from dungeon completions.

    IDK how hard it is to find now a days since Nintendo went scorched earth on the emulation scene.

    Pretty sure it’s still real easy.

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    Having teenaged RPG leads is really cool until you stop being a teenager yourself. Do you remember being seventeen? You're a dumbass at seventeen! I wanna be saved by the guy who's twenty-seven. He's at least payed taxes. He knows how to do shit. He can drive.
  • -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    Zelda 1 never really got a sequel until breath of the wild

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  • WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    Zelda 1 is approachable in a way that Zelda 2 is not, he says as a person who made an overworld map for Zelda 1 by hand when he first played it about a decade ago on the Wii Virtual Console. The dungeons don't necessarily make intuitive sense, but they are about 95% of the time full of problems that you can solve by staring at the map and looking for gaps in it (the remaining 5% mostly takes place in Death Mountain, which stumped me a little when I replayed the game last year)

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  • WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    Every Zelda game from 1991 until 2015 were different variations on the formula set down by Zelda 3

    Zelda 19 was, finally, a sequel to Zelda 1; we have yet to get a sequel to Zelda 2, and I suspect that we never will

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    Puerile is the right word; it’s not so much the sexualization so much as the dialogue sounds better suited to 15 year olds, not characters in their 30s.

    ...I retract my statement

    Also I guess whatever the issue was with my Switch it wasn’t easy to fix, because they just sent back a whole new one.

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  • ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    Wyborn wrote: »
    Every Zelda game from 1991 until 2015 were different variations on the formula set down by Zelda 3

    Zelda 19 was, finally, a sequel to Zelda 1; we have yet to get a sequel to Zelda 2, and I suspect that we never will

    What

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  • EnlongEnlong Registered User regular
    Wyborn wrote: »
    Every Zelda game from 1991 until 2015 were different variations on the formula set down by Zelda 3

    Zelda 19 was, finally, a sequel to Zelda 1; we have yet to get a sequel to Zelda 2, and I suspect that we never will

    What

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    YggiDee wrote: »
    Having teenaged RPG leads is really cool until you stop being a teenager yourself. Do you remember being seventeen? You're a dumbass at seventeen! I wanna be saved by the guy who's twenty-seven. He's at least payed taxes. He knows how to do shit. He can drive.
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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Wyborn wrote: »
    Zelda 1 is approachable in a way that Zelda 2 is not, he says as a person who made an overworld map for Zelda 1 by hand when he first played it about a decade ago on the Wii Virtual Console. The dungeons don't necessarily make intuitive sense, but they are about 95% of the time full of problems that you can solve by staring at the map and looking for gaps in it (the remaining 5% mostly takes place in Death Mountain, which stumped me a little when I replayed the game last year)

    Skull Rock is a fucking terrible map. I got through to ganon once and then got through to the silver arrow another time, then I gave up on getting back to ganon because despite having the entire map explored I couldn't figure out where the fuck to go

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  • The Escape GoatThe Escape Goat of course Registered User regular
    edited December 3
    Wyborn wrote: »
    Zelda 1 is approachable in a way that Zelda 2 is not, he says as a person who made an overworld map for Zelda 1 by hand when he first played it about a decade ago on the Wii Virtual Console. The dungeons don't necessarily make intuitive sense, but they are about 95% of the time full of problems that you can solve by staring at the map and looking for gaps in it (the remaining 5% mostly takes place in Death Mountain, which stumped me a little when I replayed the game last year)

    The best possible Zelda 1 tutorial for the Modern Gamer is Binding of Isaac, if it's made explicitly clear that "no, everything in Isaac is from this game. Everything."

    Reading this post I thought "oh, so like secret rooms in Isa--oh I'm fuckin' idiot"

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Binding of Issac is a nice Zelda Ruglike yesh

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  • shoeboxjeddyshoeboxjeddy Registered User regular
    Wyborn wrote: »
    Every Zelda game from 1991 until 2015 were different variations on the formula set down by Zelda 3

    Zelda 19 was, finally, a sequel to Zelda 1; we have yet to get a sequel to Zelda 2, and I suspect that we never will

    What

    They're just counting the Zeldas as numbered sequels. So they're calling Botw as Zelda 19 (Link to the Past as Zelda 3, etc.)

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