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Dem Primary: There Are Too Many Candidates Nowadays, Please Eliminate Twenty

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  • AstaerethAstaereth In the belly of the beastRegistered User regular
    Sleep wrote: »
    Has Williamson actually dropped out?

    No, only HIckenlooper's gone. But I'm choosing to ignore basically everyone who has no chance of qualifying for the next debate.

    @enlightenedbum I think your OP is confusing people. Maybe just add one line of “these people are polling low but haven’t dropped out yet: (list)”?

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  • TryCatcherTryCatcher Registered User regular
    Fresh from today, Sanders unveils his labor plan:

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  • daveNYCdaveNYC Why universe hate Waspinator? Registered User regular
    From the Bloomberg article.
    Sanders’s labor platform includes ending “at-will” employment, so companies could no longer fire workers without showing they had “just cause”; extending collective bargaining rights to state and local government employees; and allowing federal employees to strike.

    ...

    Sanders’s proposal includes the sweeping labor law reform bill he proposed in 2018, which would require companies to recognize unions once the majority of workers sign cards; abolish state “right-to-work” laws that prohibit mandatory union fees; ban mandatory workplace anti-union meetings; make it harder for companies to claim their workers are independent contractors rather than employees; and protect workers’ jobs during work stoppages.

    All sorts of good stuff in this.

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  • CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
    Democrats would do best to not run on sex worker protections, and then quietly implement them anyway.

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  • a5ehrena5ehren AtlantaRegistered User regular
    Democrats would do best to not run on sex worker protections, and then quietly implement them anyway.

    Yeah. It's not an issue people even on the Left care about that deeply compared to other things at issue in 2020, and it would play rather poorly in the more moderate/socially conservative parts of the Democratic coalition.

    Not to mention the already talked about issues where it isn't really in the federal jurisdiction, etc.

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  • ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    Maybe just go with a lower profile inclusion in other criminal justice reform?

    "thousands of hours of effort wasted prosecuting women who choose to work in the sex industry, rather than committing those resources to finding and supporting actual victims of trafficking, etc"

    It might not be a strong plank to run on heavily, but I'm sure the candidates and their teams are capable of massaging a message that's basically "look, sex work is work, focus on the actual criminals/victims instead of trying to ruin the lives of people with a cam site account" kinda thing.

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  • WACriminalWACriminal Dying Is Easy, Young Man Living Is HarderRegistered User regular
    a5ehren wrote: »
    Democrats would do best to not run on sex worker protections, and then quietly implement them anyway.

    Yeah. It's not an issue people even on the Left care about that deeply compared to other things at issue in 2020, and it would play rather poorly in the more moderate/socially conservative parts of the Democratic coalition.

    Not to mention the already talked about issues where it isn't really in the federal jurisdiction, etc.

    Spoken like someone whose kink isn't "fucking on the Mississippi-Louisiana border". Interstate commerce changes EVERYTHING in bed.

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  • PhasenPhasen Let's Disrupt the 2020 ElectionRegistered User regular
    edited August 21
    Forar wrote: »
    Maybe just go with a lower profile inclusion in other criminal justice reform?

    "thousands of hours of effort wasted prosecuting women who choose to work in the sex industry, rather than committing those resources to finding and supporting actual victims of trafficking, etc"

    It might not be a strong plank to run on heavily, but I'm sure the candidates and their teams are capable of massaging a message that's basically "look, sex work is work, focus on the actual criminals/victims instead of trying to ruin the lives of people with a cam site account" kinda thing.

    Sex work can refer to cam sites and the like but cam sites are not the illegal part of sex work. Otherwise I agree with what you're saying here.

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  • a5ehrena5ehren AtlantaRegistered User regular
    edited August 21
    WACriminal wrote: »
    a5ehren wrote: »
    Democrats would do best to not run on sex worker protections, and then quietly implement them anyway.

    Yeah. It's not an issue people even on the Left care about that deeply compared to other things at issue in 2020, and it would play rather poorly in the more moderate/socially conservative parts of the Democratic coalition.

    Not to mention the already talked about issues where it isn't really in the federal jurisdiction, etc.

    Spoken like someone whose kink isn't "fucking on the Mississippi-Louisiana border". Interstate commerce changes EVERYTHING in bed.

    I can't get off unless we're draped across the Four Corners monument.

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  • zepherinzepherin Registered User regular
    a5ehren wrote: »
    WACriminal wrote: »
    a5ehren wrote: »
    Democrats would do best to not run on sex worker protections, and then quietly implement them anyway.

    Yeah. It's not an issue people even on the Left care about that deeply compared to other things at issue in 2020, and it would play rather poorly in the more moderate/socially conservative parts of the Democratic coalition.

    Not to mention the already talked about issues where it isn't really in the federal jurisdiction, etc.

    Spoken like someone whose kink isn't "fucking on the Mississippi-Louisiana border". Interstate commerce changes EVERYTHING in bed.

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  • PaladinPaladin Registered User regular
    Democrats would do best to not run on sex worker protections, and then quietly implement them anyway.

    I think we tried that with healthcare reform during the Clinton administration. Didn't work too well.

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  • ForarForar #432 Toronto, Ontario, CanadaRegistered User regular
    Phasen wrote: »
    Forar wrote: »
    Maybe just go with a lower profile inclusion in other criminal justice reform?

    "thousands of hours of effort wasted prosecuting women who choose to work in the sex industry, rather than committing those resources to finding and supporting actual victims of trafficking, etc"

    It might not be a strong plank to run on heavily, but I'm sure the candidates and their teams are capable of massaging a message that's basically "look, sex work is work, focus on the actual criminals/victims instead of trying to ruin the lives of people with a cam site account" kinda thing.

    Sex work can refer to cam sites and the like but cam sites are not the illegal part of sex work. Otherwise I agree with what you're saying here.

    I know, but I was more reaching for how some states seem to be busier writing laws that impact willing sex worker ads and have incidental effects on the porn/cam industry than actually focusing on legit issues.

    It has come up in a few articles I've seen here, and I think the Some More News youtube channel did a thing on it as well, with legislation aimed at combating trafficking actually making it worse, and I think that was where some of the 'why is this even being mentioned?' kind of stuff came up as well.

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  • CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
    Paladin wrote: »
    Democrats would do best to not run on sex worker protections, and then quietly implement them anyway.

    I think we tried that with healthcare reform during the Clinton administration. Didn't work too well.

    The difference is that *everyone* cares about healthcare reform, and very few (sex workers and feminists) care about sex worker protection to the point of voting on it.

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  • Viktor WaltersViktor Walters fair enough Registered User regular
    Paladin wrote: »
    Democrats would do best to not run on sex worker protections, and then quietly implement them anyway.

    I think we tried that with healthcare reform during the Clinton administration. Didn't work too well.

    The difference is that *everyone* cares about healthcare reform, and very few (sex workers and feminists) care about sex worker protection to the point of voting on it.

    http://maristpoll.marist.edu/531-should-prostitution-be-legalized/#sthash.m3Ad8vzC.dpbs

    49% of the US is "very few"? Maybe they wouldn't use it as their single voting issue, but you are seriously downplaying the support there is for this.

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  • PantsBPantsB Registered User regular
    Paladin wrote: »
    Democrats would do best to not run on sex worker protections, and then quietly implement them anyway.

    I think we tried that with healthcare reform during the Clinton administration. Didn't work too well.

    Healthcare reform was also a major part of the 1992 campaign.

    www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1995/01/a-triumph-of-misinformation/306231/

    It's just much easier to propose than implement. Everything the candidates propose should be viewed in part through that lens

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  • daveNYCdaveNYC Why universe hate Waspinator? Registered User regular
    I don't think a Democratic administration could roll in and try and pass a law legalizing prostitution (even if those weren't state level laws). Throwing more resources at human trafficking and providing support for the victims instead of prosecution should be doable. Plus they could probably find a way to provide grant money for states and localities that want to go the legalization route, since done properly that'd involve additional health care costs for the STD testing and treatment.

    There are a lot of liberal policies that the federal government can't really implement, but they can provide the financial support to make it easier for cities and states to do so.

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  • SorceSorce Registered User regular
    Also 1992 was 25 years ago.

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  • MonwynMonwyn Registered User regular
    Monwyn wrote: »
    Elki wrote: »
    Like a few other people, I’m on the same place with Bernie and Warren’s plans criminal justice reform. Both are lacking in a plan to decriminalize sex work, and they should be asked about that. They’ve maybe answered some questions about it in a noncommittal way in the past, but their published plans don’t address the issue in any way.

    IDK about Warren but Sanders has weaseled on it with the idea that he's "open to it". Not good enough.

    If you expect a candidate for the President of the United States of America to endorse fucking for money you will be forever disappointed

    I guess forever ended three times this year since three of the current Dem candidates, two of which are in the top 7 in the current polls, have said they'd decriminalize sex work.

    Sorry, a serious candidate

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  • PhasenPhasen Let's Disrupt the 2020 ElectionRegistered User regular
    Monwyn wrote: »
    Monwyn wrote: »
    Elki wrote: »
    Like a few other people, I’m on the same place with Bernie and Warren’s plans criminal justice reform. Both are lacking in a plan to decriminalize sex work, and they should be asked about that. They’ve maybe answered some questions about it in a noncommittal way in the past, but their published plans don’t address the issue in any way.

    IDK about Warren but Sanders has weaseled on it with the idea that he's "open to it". Not good enough.

    If you expect a candidate for the President of the United States of America to endorse fucking for money you will be forever disappointed

    I guess forever ended three times this year since three of the current Dem candidates, two of which are in the top 7 in the current polls, have said they'd decriminalize sex work.

    Sorry, a serious candidate

    Your whole deal around this kinda sucks.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Sorce wrote: »
    Also 1992 was 25 years ago.

    Uhh brosef might want to check your math on this one.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • HenroidHenroid Radio Demon Internet HellRegistered User regular
    Preacher wrote: »
    Sorce wrote: »
    Also 1992 was 25 years ago.

    Uhh brosef might want to check your math on this one.
    Two people agreed with it so here we are with a metaphor for America.

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    Preacher wrote: »
    Sorce wrote: »
    Also 1992 was 25 years ago.

    Uhh brosef might want to check your math on this one.

    You’re right, of course.

    It’s been 12 billion years, according to my math.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular


    So there's an Iowa AFL-CIO event with most of the candidates today. So far Delaney, Warren (standing ovation), and Booker. Next speaker is Bernie at 1 Eastern.

    Booker's speech had all the things that seem like they should be effective and it rose to a stirring conclusion and he sounds like he should be a great orator and it just... didn't connect with me at all.

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  • ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    Raiden333 wrote: »
    I just want to mention EB asked for thread title suggestions and I offered up "Dem Primary: Which Candidate Has 2020 Vision?"

    Because if I'm going to make a pun like that I'm going to nail myself to it and make sure all the world beholds it.

    Dem Primary: "Biden our time until the inevitable."

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  • daveNYCdaveNYC Why universe hate Waspinator? Registered User regular


    So there's an Iowa AFL-CIO event with most of the candidates today. So far Delaney, Warren (standing ovation), and Booker. Next speaker is Bernie at 1 Eastern.

    Booker's speech had all the things that seem like they should be effective and it rose to a stirring conclusion and he sounds like he should be a great orator and it just... didn't connect with me at all.

    Did Warren hit any interesting specifics in her speech?

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. 5386-8443-8937Registered User regular
    That labor law platform from Sanders is extremely good

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited August 21
    Nah, mostly her usual thing. A few more labor specific things, but nothing we haven't seen before. Bernie's is going to be interesting since he just unnveiled his labor platform this morning. That's starting right about now.

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  • daveNYCdaveNYC Why universe hate Waspinator? Registered User regular
    Nah, mostly her usual thing. A few more labor specific things, but nothing we haven't seen before. Bernie's is going to be interested since he just unnveiled his labor platform this morning. That's starting right about now.

    He should probably do very well then. His platform is a hel of a nice union wishlist.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular


    Warren does endorse Brian Fallon's article in The Atlantic saying whoever wins needs to stop nominating corporate lawyers to the courts, instead favoring people who work for the ACLU, or civil rights lawyers, or public defenders.

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    Warren does endorse Brian Fallon's article in The Atlantic saying whoever wins needs to stop nominating corporate lawyers to the courts, instead favoring people who work for the ACLU, or civil rights lawyers, or public defenders.

    Next she’ll be saying that we should nominate people who didn’t go to Yale or Harvard. Crazy talk!

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Guardian is cutting off the mic as soon as the candidate is done, so hard to gauge crowd reaction, but it appeared he also got a standing ovation.

    Bernie himself was kind of surprisingly muted? I think it sounded like he has a cold.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    de Blasio's flight got cancelled. He's appearing via video conference and it's making him sound like a chipmunk. It's great.

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  • Viktor WaltersViktor Walters fair enough Registered User regular
    Monwyn wrote: »
    Monwyn wrote: »
    Elki wrote: »
    Like a few other people, I’m on the same place with Bernie and Warren’s plans criminal justice reform. Both are lacking in a plan to decriminalize sex work, and they should be asked about that. They’ve maybe answered some questions about it in a noncommittal way in the past, but their published plans don’t address the issue in any way.

    IDK about Warren but Sanders has weaseled on it with the idea that he's "open to it". Not good enough.

    If you expect a candidate for the President of the United States of America to endorse fucking for money you will be forever disappointed

    I guess forever ended three times this year since three of the current Dem candidates, two of which are in the top 7 in the current polls, have said they'd decriminalize sex work.

    Sorry, a serious candidate

    Booker and Harris are both serious candidates. They're not favored at the moment, but they do have a chance, as stated in the OP of this very thread. I am not in the minority for viewing them as such.

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    Guardian is cutting off the mic as soon as the candidate is done, so hard to gauge crowd reaction, but it appeared he also got a standing ovation.

    Bernie himself was kind of surprisingly muted? I think it sounded like he has a cold.

    This happens to everybody who is campaigning hard. You can’t just take a day off and recover. Running for office is like one of the worst things you can do for your health.

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  • CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
    Guardian is cutting off the mic as soon as the candidate is done, so hard to gauge crowd reaction, but it appeared he also got a standing ovation.

    Bernie himself was kind of surprisingly muted? I think it sounded like he has a cold.

    This happens to everybody who is campaigning hard. You can’t just take a day off and recover. Running for office is like one of the worst things you can do for your health.

    This is why Hillary went to a memorial service with pneumonia and collapsed.

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  • PriestPriest Registered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    OH HI, IT'S A NEW THREAD

    OVERALL YOU GUYS ARE DOING A REASONABLY GOOD JOB AT NOT BEING GARBAGE MONSTERS

    I feel personally attacked.

    Also - it astonishes me that Biden has maintained this lead. His debates have been.... question marks? Somehow he's gone from the guy we made goofy Obama-bro memes about to someone we're legitimately concerned about being a wolf in sheep's clothing, and not the good kind of wolf, but the sorta-racist and backwards-gender-equality type of wolf.

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  • wanderingwandering Registered User regular
    edited August 21
    Some...bold rhetoric from the Sanders twitter account

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    edit: for context, it's an approximate quote from an AFL-CIO speech he made today:

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    Priest wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    OH HI, IT'S A NEW THREAD

    OVERALL YOU GUYS ARE DOING A REASONABLY GOOD JOB AT NOT BEING GARBAGE MONSTERS

    I feel personally attacked.

    Also - it astonishes me that Biden has maintained this lead. His debates have been.... question marks? Somehow he's gone from the guy we made goofy Obama-bro memes about to someone we're legitimately concerned about being a wolf in sheep's clothing, and not the good kind of wolf, but the sorta-racist and backwards-gender-equality type of wolf.

    People like Obama. A lot.

    And a ton of people buy the electability argument. There's a lot of voters who just want anyone to get rid of Trump and are currently backing Biden on the grounds that they think he's got the best shot.

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  • CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
    I personally "just want to get rid of Trump" but I don't think Biden has the best shot, because his heart doesn't seem 100% in it and his followers are lukewarm. Passion is important.

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  • Viktor WaltersViktor Walters fair enough Registered User regular
    I support the candidates who have greater ambition than "be better than the neo-Nazi". Actually, Warren said it best:
    Donald Trump disgraces the office of president every single day (...) but all problems didn’t start with Donald Trump. Donald Trump is part of a corrupt, rigged system that has helped the wealthy and the well connected and kicked dirt in the faces of everyone else. We’re not going to solve the urgent problems that we face with small ideas and spinelessness. We’re going to solve them by being the Democratic Party of big structural change.

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