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  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    I read manga almost exclusively, only watching anime once in a blue moon. I just have no time to be going through 20 minute segments for every series I follow

  • JayKaosJayKaos Registered User regular
    I'll usually watch whatever's available of a new series I'm interested in and once I run out of anime jump to the manga cause I'm terrible at not knowing what happens next.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    It is interesting to look at ONE's manga and the anime they spawned and note all the differences. MPO has a LOT of Sakuga and is extremely well done, while the comic has a little better comedic timing on occasion (particularly I think of the joke about Reigen walking up and punching a dude who is super focused on detecting spiritual pressure. It works so much better on the page than on the screen)

    And of course OPM season 2 is kinda weak in terms of animation quality, but even in season 1 you'll see things that fly by in an instant (i.e. Sonic dashing around Saitama) that are AMAZING in the Manga because the pages are essentially keyframes for the episode. Like, the zooming in on the ship....when you see in the Manga that Murata drew all that shit out it's nuts! But in the show it's just like, kinda neat for a second.

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  • l_gl_g Registered User regular
    Isorn wrote: »
    l_g wrote: »
    Isorn wrote: »
    I also probably prefer anime because I can't visualize things very well. I know some people can read books and scenes play out in their mind as a movie. Even if an author describes a character in detail I can't picture it at all. Just a vague idea of what the person would look like. In my mind it is more a group of words that I assign to a character rather than a visual image.

    It kinda sucks.

    There's definitely a wide spectrum of aphantasia, and though it is a very hard thing to study it's very much a thing that some powerful creatives attest to. One of the greatest artists in Disney history, Glen Keane, says he cannot actually "see" any of the characters he draws in his mind! Ed Catmull feels the same way, but he absolutely has a top-notch understanding of spatial relationships given the mathematics that he helped invent.
    One article on it: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/shortcuts/2019/apr/10/aphantasia-why-a-disney-animator-draws-a-blank-on-his-own-creations

    One thing I'm really curious about is that for people who report aphantasiatic-ness, is how well do they get a sense of "motion" from still images that are designed to convey a sense of motion or moving action. Like, in that Mob Psycho page Jragghen posted, what sense of motion do you get from what is happening in the panels?


    Basically no sense of motion for me personally. I get what panels are trying to convey but it doesn't play out in my mind that way. It is just a set of still images.

    Interesting!

    I hope you'll indulge another question about your perceptions:
    What about comedic timing in paneled comics? The generally linear way in which we parse sequential and written things forces a bit of a delay in the rate at which we arrive at the punchline, but the bit of delay or the suddenness of the jump is something which I don't know if we perceive the same way.

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    See, for me, one of the best things about that set of last panels is the switch of my normal reading left-right and my reading manga right-left.

    In the last page, with the swirl, my unconscious brain sees it as the wind blowing them away, then as I start reading "correctly" I see him reaching across the panel and the same exact panel then indicates them coming back together. Which I recognize is actually a lucky happenstance more than anything else, but it really "adds" to that page for me, and I get the impact within just a few seconds, as opposed to waiting for the animation to play out.

  • Casually HardcoreCasually Hardcore Once an Asshole. Trying to be better. Registered User regular
    Anime has OP and ED songs. Checkmate manga.

  • PaladinPaladin Registered User regular
    You can watch anime without using your hands, which is nice for people who eat like slobs while engaging in passive entertainment. Also anime has music which is hype

    If the anime sucks or ends, you can transition to the manga source no problem and pick up where you quit. If the manga or light novel sucks, then at least I know that once I watch the anime, I'm done.

    If it's a comedy, case by case basis since you only get one shot.

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  • AtomicTofuAtomicTofu She's a straight-up supervillain, yo Registered User regular
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  • IsornIsorn Registered User regular
    l_g wrote: »
    Isorn wrote: »
    l_g wrote: »
    Isorn wrote: »
    I also probably prefer anime because I can't visualize things very well. I know some people can read books and scenes play out in their mind as a movie. Even if an author describes a character in detail I can't picture it at all. Just a vague idea of what the person would look like. In my mind it is more a group of words that I assign to a character rather than a visual image.

    It kinda sucks.

    There's definitely a wide spectrum of aphantasia, and though it is a very hard thing to study it's very much a thing that some powerful creatives attest to. One of the greatest artists in Disney history, Glen Keane, says he cannot actually "see" any of the characters he draws in his mind! Ed Catmull feels the same way, but he absolutely has a top-notch understanding of spatial relationships given the mathematics that he helped invent.
    One article on it: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/shortcuts/2019/apr/10/aphantasia-why-a-disney-animator-draws-a-blank-on-his-own-creations

    One thing I'm really curious about is that for people who report aphantasiatic-ness, is how well do they get a sense of "motion" from still images that are designed to convey a sense of motion or moving action. Like, in that Mob Psycho page Jragghen posted, what sense of motion do you get from what is happening in the panels?


    Basically no sense of motion for me personally. I get what panels are trying to convey but it doesn't play out in my mind that way. It is just a set of still images.

    Interesting!

    I hope you'll indulge another question about your perceptions:
    What about comedic timing in paneled comics? The generally linear way in which we parse sequential and written things forces a bit of a delay in the rate at which we arrive at the punchline, but the bit of delay or the suddenness of the jump is something which I don't know if we perceive the same way.

    I guess it sometimes takes me a bit longer to recognize the punchline if it is a visual thing. I decided to read a few comics just now to confirm something I never really thought about. But when I read a comic/manga I tend to read the first thought/text bubble before really looking at the image that goes with it. Might make the timing a bit weird at times?

  • rhylithrhylith Death Rabbits HoustonRegistered User regular
    Anime has also adapted to the modern marketplace much more smoothly and now delivers virtually every series worth seeing affordably, quickly, and high quality to the west.

    Manga has a couple services like Shonen Jump that do this and are absolutely worthwhile. Unfortunately for the most part you’re either having to wait months after the Japanese releases for overpriced printed volumes or you’re having to lurk through the shadows and read shitty fan translations that are either too literal, broken English, or lean too heavily on memes.

  • l_gl_g Registered User regular
    rhylith wrote: »
    Anime has also adapted to the modern marketplace much more smoothly and now delivers virtually every series worth seeing affordably, quickly, and high quality to the west.

    Manga has a couple services like Shonen Jump that do this and are absolutely worthwhile. Unfortunately for the most part you’re either having to wait months after the Japanese releases for overpriced printed volumes or you’re having to lurk through the shadows and read shitty fan translations that are either too literal, broken English, or lean too heavily on memes.

    Bookwalker has made huge strides in making niche series that no fan translations are around for available in English, and in a timely fashion!

    Did you know there's a series about cooking things while living with a giant pokemon-like arachnid?
    https://global.bookwalker.jp/de1c7b96e1-7bc5-4536-ba10-880a319f7ee2/giant-spider-me-a-post-apocalyptic-tale-vol-1/

    Or a series about the morphology of animals from the perspective of what if the animals were designed, and why some designs don't work?
    https://global.bookwalker.jp/series/162481/heavens-design-team/

    I do agree that the ease and availability of anime is greater, but I also think part of it has to do with the sheer volume of manga that is published, including manga published by smaller publishers. There's just too much stuff!

    Cole's Law: "Thinly sliced cabbage."
  • Andy JoeAndy Joe We claim the land for the highlord! The AdirondacksRegistered User regular
    Fire Force 10

    It's not uncommon in anime for Japan to have adopted Western naming order in the future and/or an alternate universe, but this is the first I can recall seeing a character insist upon family name-first order as a matter of atavistic national pride.

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  • rhylithrhylith Death Rabbits HoustonRegistered User regular
    l_g wrote: »
    rhylith wrote: »
    Anime has also adapted to the modern marketplace much more smoothly and now delivers virtually every series worth seeing affordably, quickly, and high quality to the west.

    Manga has a couple services like Shonen Jump that do this and are absolutely worthwhile. Unfortunately for the most part you’re either having to wait months after the Japanese releases for overpriced printed volumes or you’re having to lurk through the shadows and read shitty fan translations that are either too literal, broken English, or lean too heavily on memes.

    Bookwalker has made huge strides in making niche series that no fan translations are around for available in English, and in a timely fashion!

    Did you know there's a series about cooking things while living with a giant pokemon-like arachnid?
    https://global.bookwalker.jp/de1c7b96e1-7bc5-4536-ba10-880a319f7ee2/giant-spider-me-a-post-apocalyptic-tale-vol-1/

    Or a series about the morphology of animals from the perspective of what if the animals were designed, and why some designs don't work?
    https://global.bookwalker.jp/series/162481/heavens-design-team/

    I do agree that the ease and availability of anime is greater, but I also think part of it has to do with the sheer volume of manga that is published, including manga published by smaller publishers. There's just too much stuff!

    This site is actually a great example of my issue with manga’s release and pricing structure.

    Most of the top series’ manga and light novels are ten dollars per volume digitally and are released about a year after their Japanese release. Their coin reward stuff looks like it helps a little bit not THAT much with only 1-18% cash back essentially.

    The fact that they’re also putting out some niche series at the same prices doesn’t fix that.

    This probably makes it sound like I’m saying “I want every manga free and instantly” but I’m not actually. It’s just that looking through a bunch of these series it would cost about what I pay for an entire years’ worth of crunchyroll just to pick up the back catalog of like one or two series, and the US release may be 5+ volumes behind Japan. I get that they’re just now finally figuring out how to sell this stuff in the west but right now it’s just not competitive.

  • l_gl_g Registered User regular
    rhylith wrote: »
    l_g wrote: »
    rhylith wrote: »
    Anime has also adapted to the modern marketplace much more smoothly and now delivers virtually every series worth seeing affordably, quickly, and high quality to the west.

    Manga has a couple services like Shonen Jump that do this and are absolutely worthwhile. Unfortunately for the most part you’re either having to wait months after the Japanese releases for overpriced printed volumes or you’re having to lurk through the shadows and read shitty fan translations that are either too literal, broken English, or lean too heavily on memes.

    Bookwalker has made huge strides in making niche series that no fan translations are around for available in English, and in a timely fashion!

    Did you know there's a series about cooking things while living with a giant pokemon-like arachnid?
    https://global.bookwalker.jp/de1c7b96e1-7bc5-4536-ba10-880a319f7ee2/giant-spider-me-a-post-apocalyptic-tale-vol-1/

    Or a series about the morphology of animals from the perspective of what if the animals were designed, and why some designs don't work?
    https://global.bookwalker.jp/series/162481/heavens-design-team/

    I do agree that the ease and availability of anime is greater, but I also think part of it has to do with the sheer volume of manga that is published, including manga published by smaller publishers. There's just too much stuff!

    This site is actually a great example of my issue with manga’s release and pricing structure.

    Most of the top series’ manga and light novels are ten dollars per volume digitally and are released about a year after their Japanese release. Their coin reward stuff looks like it helps a little bit not THAT much with only 1-18% cash back essentially.

    The fact that they’re also putting out some niche series at the same prices doesn’t fix that.

    This probably makes it sound like I’m saying “I want every manga free and instantly” but I’m not actually. It’s just that looking through a bunch of these series it would cost about what I pay for an entire years’ worth of crunchyroll just to pick up the back catalog of like one or two series, and the US release may be 5+ volumes behind Japan. I get that they’re just now finally figuring out how to sell this stuff in the west but right now it’s just not competitive.

    I agree that its pricing is not competitive with streaming video services. It's still following a traditional ebook pricing model, it's still far behind the releases of the original timing-wise, and the coin reward isn't even worth mentioning. It's not quite as far behind timing-wise as we were with printed manga volumes, but it's nowhere near the simulcast that anime streaming enjoys.

    Marvel's vault service is an insane amount of value for the volume of comics you get, and I wonder if that kind of buffet-style service similar to Netflix is in the future for these. Shounen Jump basically gives you all-you-can-read of the latest stuff for free.

    I think books in general are... expensive, compared to television. Comixology has an all-you-can-read buffet subscription option, but it doesn't have full coverage of all the niche titles, which you still effectively buy at full print price. I don't know of any "Netflix for books" service yet outside of public libraries, and I agree that such a thing would definitely change mainstream consumption of foreign comics.

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  • Moth 13Moth 13 Registered User regular
    It is interesting to look at ONE's manga and the anime they spawned and note all the differences. MPO has a LOT of Sakuga and is extremely well done, while the comic has a little better comedic timing on occasion (particularly I think of the joke about Reigen walking up and punching a dude who is super focused on detecting spiritual pressure. It works so much better on the page than on the screen)

    And of course OPM season 2 is kinda weak in terms of animation quality, but even in season 1 you'll see things that fly by in an instant (i.e. Sonic dashing around Saitama) that are AMAZING in the Manga because the pages are essentially keyframes for the episode. Like, the zooming in on the ship....when you see in the Manga that Murata drew all that shit out it's nuts! But in the show it's just like, kinda neat for a second.

    Worth noting that the keyframes sections in OPM are mostly exlusive to the online release. The volume releases are more similar to how the anime handles it.

  • MysstMysst King Monkey of Hedonism IslandRegistered User regular
    Andy Joe wrote: »
    Fire Force 10

    It's not uncommon in anime for Japan to have adopted Western naming order in the future and/or an alternate universe, but this is the first I can recall seeing a character insist upon family name-first order as a matter of atavistic national pride.

    That guy's great

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    Now, if you want to know a manga that has only had inferior anime adaptatioms, allow me to introduce you to BLAME!

  • augustaugust where you come from is gone Registered User regular
    edited September 2019
  • MorivethMoriveth BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWNRegistered User regular
    Oh my god

    Oh my god how are they so bad at this

  • MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    And like a judge the rattlesnake will teach you respect for entering its territory

  • augustaugust where you come from is gone Registered User regular
    edited September 2019
    Moriveth wrote: »
    Oh my god

    Oh my god how are they so bad at this

    We luck out once and a while when narcissistic shitheads turn out to be just dumb as dirt.

    Dunford's analysis and commentary starts with this tweet:



    I can't find the tweet but at some point both Vic's original lawyer and a new guy they hired to help him out are both standing and talking and the Judge is like "Any more of ya'll want to stand up over there?"

    august on
  • augustaugust where you come from is gone Registered User regular
    edited September 2019
    august on
  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    Jump posted manga early this week, fyi

  • Beef AvengerBeef Avenger Registered User regular
    There's a lot of fun stuff in that tweet chain

    I'm a fan of this bit of commentary:

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  • manwiththemachinegunmanwiththemachinegun METAL GEAR?! Registered User regular
    What was the legal thing again?

  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited September 2019
    Vic Mignogna, formerly a voice actor working for Funimation, was fired for being a serial sexual harasser, and is currently attempting to win a lawsuit against them for wrongful termination or defamation or something. The only lawyers that would take his case are apparently very incompetent though.

    BahamutZERO on
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  • Beef AvengerBeef Avenger Registered User regular
    edited September 2019
    Vic Mignogna, formerly a voice actor working for Funimation, was fired for being a serial sexual harasser, and is currently attempting to win a lawsuit against them for wrongful termination or defamation or something. The only lawyers that would take his case are apparently very incompetent though.

    Trying to sue funimation and his accusers

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  • TNTrooperTNTrooper Registered User regular
    It's going very very badly for him. It would probably help if he had hired a real lawyer instead of a guy who just bills him to shitposts on Tweeter so weebs would send him booze and anime goods.

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  • manwiththemachinegunmanwiththemachinegun METAL GEAR?! Registered User regular
    Cells at work is a delight. Probably the Best joke is Basophil being a cryptic, nonsense spouting mysterious " that man" type. Because beyond a few broad inferences, nobody really knows what the hell that cell does for the immune system.

  • MorivethMoriveth BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWNRegistered User regular
    Goddamn sweetness & lightning is cute as fuck

  • HeatwaveHeatwave Come, now, and walk the path of explosions with me!Registered User regular
    Cells at work is a delight. Probably the Best joke is Basophil being a cryptic, nonsense spouting mysterious " that man" type. Because beyond a few broad inferences, nobody really knows what the hell that cell does for the immune system.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnTpl93q3Bc

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  • KelorKelor Registered User regular
    This week’s Haikyuu was stellar.

  • RadiusRadius Registered User regular
    edited September 2019
    "Go bleach your roots, creep"

    And some of y'all trying to say she's not top tier.

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  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    I don't know, I'd like to see Emilia Clarke do Sailor Mercury

  • LasbrookLasbrook It takes a lot to make a stew When it comes to me and youRegistered User regular
    Demon Slayer 24:
    Oh shit we’re getting to the training montage where Tanjiro works to make super saiyan his natural state.
    Also Zenitsu was a lot this episode.
    I wonder if Inosuke’s voice actor is actually doing that voice or if they just got Tomoaki Honma to do a guest bit.

  • BeastehBeasteh THAT WOULD NOT KILL DRACULARegistered User regular
    we got the legendary ARA ARA SAYONARA from shinobu

  • King RiptorKing Riptor Registered User regular
    Dr. Stone Manga
    We see the petrification device. Im curious now if after this arc they head back home and heal Tsukasa or keep going.

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  • SorceSorce Not ThereRegistered User regular
    Lasbrook wrote: »
    Demon Slayer 24:
    Oh shit we’re getting to the training montage where Tanjiro works to make super saiyan his natural state.
    Also Zenitsu was a lot this episode.
    I wonder if Inosuke’s voice actor is actually doing that voice or if they just got Tomoaki Honma to do a guest bit.
    I'd say Zenitsu was too much this episode. Though him winning the teacup thing was funny.

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  • BeastehBeasteh THAT WOULD NOT KILL DRACULARegistered User regular
    Off-model inosuke is my fav

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