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Captain [MARVEL] Vs. The Evil Avengers

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  • -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    Those bad russian accents are going to get annoying

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  • Dizzy DDizzy D NetherlandsRegistered User regular
    Sabretooth is usually more muscular than that (but it can be the angle). I think Feral was a good guess.

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    -Tal wrote: »
    Those bad russian accents are going to get annoying
    I played enough TF2 to be utterly immune to bad Russian accents

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  • cursedkingcursedking Registered User regular
    Yeah i think that is Feral

  • SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    Yeah, that looks too slim to be sabertooth

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  • FearghaillFearghaill If there is nothing but what we make in this world let us make goodRegistered User regular
    also I don't think Sabretooth is coming back out of the hole that quickly, and I really don't think he's going to be even remotely friendly when he does

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    I think it could very easily just be a wonky angle on the silhouette and Sabretooth has a very well established angle to be a "troublemaker" in the current status quo

    But it could be Feral! We'll find out

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  • StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    I'm currently still enamored with the idea of it being Penance, but it looks like the twins are Penancing separately from one another at the moment, so that wouldn't really make sense

  • SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Registered User regular
    BlankZoe wrote: »


    Okay yeah it looks like Fallen Angels might have been either quietly scrapped or planned to be a mini, judging by Psylocke being here

    The blurb also makes it sound like the rest of the team are gonna be villains/antiheroes/general miscreants

    Gonna guess the top right is Sabretooth, with that context? Freed from his prison for whatever mission statement this group has

    I'm going with Feral at the top. Nanny in the middle (though I hope it's No-Girl as it would be interesting to tackle a mutant like her in the post POX/HOX world with resurrection). I'm betting Vulcan at the bottom (maybe Namor), Sinister with the big ole cape, second guy from the bottom I have no clue. Clearly the person with the horns is the Night King from Game of Thrones.

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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    So far I gotta say

    I've seen teams of mutants like that before

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Wait I thought Psylocke wasn't in that body anymore

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Wait I thought Psylocke wasn't in that body anymore
    Betsy Braddock is Captain Britain now and in her original body

    Psylocke is Kwannon, who has been brought back and is once more in her original body

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    That is not confusing at all.

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    It is much better than the alternative?

    Betsy is a white lady again and has a new identity in line with her heritage

    And Kwannon gets to, y'know, be alive and an actual character

    And one of Marvel's most recognizable Asian characters isn't actually a white lady in an asian lady's body any more

    It is one of the smartest decisions Marvel has made in a while

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  • Kayne Red RobeKayne Red Robe Master of Magic ArcanusRegistered User regular
    Nothing about Psylocke has ever been simple, why start now?

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  • FearghaillFearghaill If there is nothing but what we make in this world let us make goodRegistered User regular
    correct, it's not!

    Becky has been given her own title that she already has history with, and the person that looks like Psylocke and still does psychic ninja stuff still goes by that name

    and in doing so, it corrects the issue of Marvel's most prominent asian woman hero actually being a posh british lady in a stolen body, without erasing said prominent asian woman hero in the process.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    I mean I just wouldn't have uh Kwannon using the name Psylocke since that is associated with uh Betsy's personality.

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    I would say it is associated with the look more than Betsy's personality

    She was called Psylocke back when she was cheery and bubbly with purple hair and kept the name through all of her ups and downs over the years

    If you say Psylocke folks aren't gonna say "oh yes the fancy british lady who is Captain Britain's sister" they're gonna say the ninja with psychic knives who wears a swimsuit

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    I mean, you're not wrong.

    It's just kinda confusing as a result.

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  • FearghaillFearghaill If there is nothing but what we make in this world let us make goodRegistered User regular
    I'd say it's confusing for the very small percentage of readership that is familiar with Psylocke's full history but isn't up to date on recent events, but much more clear for everyone else, especially casual fans and new readers just jumping in now.

    And the benefits of keeping the character with the look/name people recognize while correcting the weirdly problematic aspects is worth it, especially if it results in two rad characters for the price of one.

    Also it's not like they aren't explaining it at all, people actually reading the books are given some information to help them get used to it.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    I am uncomfortable with a Native American/ First Nations Character immediately dismissing even the concept that a group of people can have quality schools.

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    I am uncomfortable with a Native American/ First Nations Character immediately dismissing even the concept that a group of people can have quality schools.
    She was dismissing because of her own personal experiences?

    Like they are reminiscing about their time as X-Men and Dani Moonstar had a ROUGH FUCKIN TIME as a New Mutant and also in life before she joined the X-Men (brief looks into her past involve being bullied by kids who she was friends with at school for being Native and watching one of them die in her arms)

    I absolutely buy her being cynical about education as an institution rather than a small scale personal thing

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  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    Also the implication that humans and mutants are completely different psychologically and socially, when the evidence suggests they're far more similar than different.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Also the implication that humans and mutants are completely different psychologically and socially, when the evidence suggests they're far more similar than different.

    I would say there is no functional difference at all, in fact

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    I am uncomfortable with a Native American/ First Nations Character immediately dismissing even the concept that a group of people can have quality schools.
    She was dismissing because of her own personal experiences?

    Like they are reminiscing about their time as X-Men and Dani Moonstar had a ROUGH FUCKIN TIME as a New Mutant and also in life before she joined the X-Men (brief looks into her past involve being bullied by kids who she was friends with at school for being Native and watching one of them die in her arms)

    I absolutely buy her being cynical about education as an institution rather than a small scale personal thing

    No, she's dismissing the concept of Human education as a whole. At least, that's what it looks like to me.

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    I would argue mutants have an inherent difference in their education/upbringing than humans due to the nature of their abilities

    If someone has an extremely low-key, minor power like extremely weak telepathy, sure, they will have largely the same needs

    But I do not buy for a second that characters like Glob Herman or No-Girl or Beak or Shark Girl or Velocidad or any of the dozens of others would be completely fine receiving the same education and also therapeutic support as human kids

    A 13 year old being able to bend steel or shoot lasers from their eyes or have their skin turn into a gelatinous blob of organs is gonna have ISSUES that require specialized care

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    I am uncomfortable with a Native American/ First Nations Character immediately dismissing even the concept that a group of people can have quality schools.
    She was dismissing because of her own personal experiences?

    Like they are reminiscing about their time as X-Men and Dani Moonstar had a ROUGH FUCKIN TIME as a New Mutant and also in life before she joined the X-Men (brief looks into her past involve being bullied by kids who she was friends with at school for being Native and watching one of them die in her arms)

    I absolutely buy her being cynical about education as an institution rather than a small scale personal thing

    No, she's dismissing the concept of Human education as a whole. At least, that's what it looks like to me.
    I have read the issue.

    You are reading a panel out of context.

    I know what I am saying, here.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    I would argue mutants have an inherent difference in their education/upbringing than humans due to the nature of their abilities

    If someone has an extremely low-key, minor power like extremely weak telepathy, sure, they will have largely the same needs

    But I do not buy for a second that characters like Glob Herman or No-Girl or Beak or Shark Girl or Velocidad or any of the dozens of others would be completely fine receiving the same education and also therapeutic support as human kids

    A 13 year old being able to bend steel or shoot lasers from their eyes or have their skin turn into a gelatinous blob of organs is gonna have ISSUES that require specialized care

    That is not what that panel is talking about at all.

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    I would argue mutants have an inherent difference in their education/upbringing than humans due to the nature of their abilities

    If someone has an extremely low-key, minor power like extremely weak telepathy, sure, they will have largely the same needs

    But I do not buy for a second that characters like Glob Herman or No-Girl or Beak or Shark Girl or Velocidad or any of the dozens of others would be completely fine receiving the same education and also therapeutic support as human kids

    A 13 year old being able to bend steel or shoot lasers from their eyes or have their skin turn into a gelatinous blob of organs is gonna have ISSUES that require specialized care

    That is not what that panel is talking about at all.
    No but it is what this is talking about:
    Also the implication that humans and mutants are completely different psychologically and socially, when the evidence suggests they're far more similar than different.

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  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    Pretty sure that panel explicitly states that I'm the new president of marvel

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Pretty sure that panel explicitly states that I'm the new president of marvel
    Hell yeah, let me write a Ka-Zar book

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  • StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    Man I know a lot of folks with that lack of faith in the current way that schools are structured

    That's uhh, that's not an uncommon sentiment

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    I would argue mutants have an inherent difference in their education/upbringing than humans due to the nature of their abilities

    If someone has an extremely low-key, minor power like extremely weak telepathy, sure, they will have largely the same needs

    But I do not buy for a second that characters like Glob Herman or No-Girl or Beak or Shark Girl or Velocidad or any of the dozens of others would be completely fine receiving the same education and also therapeutic support as human kids

    A 13 year old being able to bend steel or shoot lasers from their eyes or have their skin turn into a gelatinous blob of organs is gonna have ISSUES that require specialized care

    That is not what that panel is talking about at all.
    No but it is what this is talking about:
    Also the implication that humans and mutants are completely different psychologically and socially, when the evidence suggests they're far more similar than different.

    All that shit can happen to nonmutants, though.

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  • StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    Maybe ability inclusive educational models would be good for nonmutants too then

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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    If the apex of this run isn't "Oh no, we have fucked up by removing ourselves further from humanity", then they fucked up.

    But then I'm still of the opinion that they just made them Inhumans.

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Yeah, education veering as hard as possible from specialized programs and care for students who either don't fit the "standard" mold or have had personal issues that are affecting their schooling is one of the worst problems with modern education, especially in America

    Hell, I would say that our human education system as-is should be thrown in the trash and rebuilt and I'm a white person who didn't have an upbringing full of life or death situations and psychological scars like Dani

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  • SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    I am uncomfortable with a Native American/ First Nations Character immediately dismissing even the concept that a group of people can have quality schools.
    She was dismissing because of her own personal experiences?

    Like they are reminiscing about their time as X-Men and Dani Moonstar had a ROUGH FUCKIN TIME as a New Mutant and also in life before she joined the X-Men (brief looks into her past involve being bullied by kids who she was friends with at school for being Native and watching one of them die in her arms)

    I absolutely buy her being cynical about education as an institution rather than a small scale personal thing

    No, she's dismissing the concept of Human education as a whole. At least, that's what it looks like to me.

    Dani, being indigenous, would also have a certain cultural pov on the concept of schooling as it relates to smaller populations in North America what with the whole residential schooling situation in NA's past.

  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    I am uncomfortable with a Native American/ First Nations Character immediately dismissing even the concept that a group of people can have quality schools.
    She was dismissing because of her own personal experiences?

    Like they are reminiscing about their time as X-Men and Dani Moonstar had a ROUGH FUCKIN TIME as a New Mutant and also in life before she joined the X-Men (brief looks into her past involve being bullied by kids who she was friends with at school for being Native and watching one of them die in her arms)

    I absolutely buy her being cynical about education as an institution rather than a small scale personal thing

    No, she's dismissing the concept of Human education as a whole. At least, that's what it looks like to me.

    Dani, being indigenous, would also have a certain cultural pov on the concept of schooling as it relates to smaller populations in North America what with the whole residential schooling situation in NA's past.

    This is exactly my position, yes.

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  • ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    I would argue mutants have an inherent difference in their education/upbringing than humans due to the nature of their abilities

    If someone has an extremely low-key, minor power like extremely weak telepathy, sure, they will have largely the same needs

    But I do not buy for a second that characters like Glob Herman or No-Girl or Beak or Shark Girl or Velocidad or any of the dozens of others would be completely fine receiving the same education and also therapeutic support as human kids

    A 13 year old being able to bend steel or shoot lasers from their eyes or have their skin turn into a gelatinous blob of organs is gonna have ISSUES that require specialized care

    That is not what that panel is talking about at all.
    No but it is what this is talking about:
    Also the implication that humans and mutants are completely different psychologically and socially, when the evidence suggests they're far more similar than different.

    All that shit can happen to nonmutants, though.

    Dude you'd think after the 15th time that you got mad about a contextless panel without reading the comic in question and then someone told you thats not how it is in the comic youd stop doing this

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited December 3
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    I would argue mutants have an inherent difference in their education/upbringing than humans due to the nature of their abilities

    If someone has an extremely low-key, minor power like extremely weak telepathy, sure, they will have largely the same needs

    But I do not buy for a second that characters like Glob Herman or No-Girl or Beak or Shark Girl or Velocidad or any of the dozens of others would be completely fine receiving the same education and also therapeutic support as human kids

    A 13 year old being able to bend steel or shoot lasers from their eyes or have their skin turn into a gelatinous blob of organs is gonna have ISSUES that require specialized care

    That is not what that panel is talking about at all.
    No but it is what this is talking about:
    Also the implication that humans and mutants are completely different psychologically and socially, when the evidence suggests they're far more similar than different.

    All that shit can happen to nonmutants, though.

    Dude you'd think after the 15th time that you got mad about a contextless panel without reading the comic in question and then someone told you thats not how it is in the comic youd stop doing this

    I think if you read the quote tree you would find we aren't talking about the panel at all!

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