Captain [MARVEL] Vs. The Evil Avengers

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Teen Cable has entertained me more in his like 3 DoX appearances than Old Cable did in the 15 years since Cable and Deadpool ended

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  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    Cable was never that good a character.

    But "edgy teen _____" is automatically worse.

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  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    Teen Cable isn't really any edgier than Cable was.

    If anything, he's less edgy!

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Teen Cable is like

    The opposite of edgy

    He literally asked his mom for permission to trade laser guns and was told he had to set the table first

    And he is gonna be starring in what appears to be a goofy adventure book

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  • WhippyWhippy Moderator, Admin Emeritus Admin Emeritus
    yeah it’s 2020 welcome to wholesome teen cable

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  • WeedLordVegetaWeedLordVegeta Registered User regular
    Teen Cable has yet to bust out Orange Justice so I don't buy it

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  • SnicketysnickSnicketysnick The Greatest Hype Man in WesterosRegistered User regular
    What year is Ultra Gritty Future Cable from originally because we've got to be getting close now and that seems like a layup

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    What year is Ultra Gritty Future Cable from originally because we've got to be getting close now and that seems like a layup

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  • StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    What year is Ultra Gritty Future Cable from originally because we've got to be getting close now and that seems like a layup

    Okay well

    He was born in 1986

    Sister Askani took him into the future in 1991

    Sister Askani was a member of the Askani, who were founded by Rachel Summers/Grey in roughly 3994

    He was raised for 12 years in this future by Slym and Redd, who are mind copies of Scott and Jean in clone bodies

    And then he hung around in the future for a while before eventually coming back to the present, because presumably he got old at some point

    So uhh, we got some time left

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Slym

    Christ

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  • SnicketysnickSnicketysnick The Greatest Hype Man in WesterosRegistered User regular
    Straightzi wrote: »
    What year is Ultra Gritty Future Cable from originally because we've got to be getting close now and that seems like a layup

    Okay well

    He was born in 1986

    Sister Askani took him into the future in 1991

    Sister Askani was a member of the Askani, who were founded by Rachel Summers/Grey in roughly 3994

    He was raised for 12 years in this future by Slym and Redd, who are mind copies of Scott and Jean in clone bodies

    And then he hung around in the future for a while before eventually coming back to the present, because presumably he got old at some point

    So uhh, we got some time left

    Neat

    I'd assumed it was a horrific far flung future of 2025ish situation like the original Terminator

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  • StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    Oh I should also note that all of this happens essentially out of order because time travel

    Like, Cable first starts showing up in 1990, before baby Nathan was whisked away by Sister Askani

    But the idea that Rachel is Mother Askani isn't introduced until 1994, when she switches places with a time-displaced Captain Britain during some Excalibur shenanigans

    Which then leads to her establishing the Askani cult and sending Sister Askani back to 1991 to save young Nathan's life (because Apocalypse has infected him with the techno-organic virus)

    And that's also when we find out the stuff about Cable being raised by time displaced clone bodies of Scott and Jean, which Rachel also did because she got put into a coma by Apocalypse's minions but could still use her immense psychic powers while she was on life support or whatever

    Anyways, when Cable finally defeats Apocalypse, that fractures that whole future timeline and he's able to bring Rachel back to the present (where she lived in secret for a bit for some reason)

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  • RingoRingo HE KEEPS REPEATING THE LINE I'M GONNA CRY BLEASE LET HIM LIVE YOU MADE ME WATCH SO MUCH KISSING IN THIS FILM LET INIGO LIVERegistered User regular
    Also don't forget the 15 or so years Cable spent raising Hope (though he had already been an old, de-aged, then re-aged by then)

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  • ElderlycrawfishElderlycrawfish Registered User regular
    One touch I really appreciated, was that after Scott and Jean's minds were returned from their Slym and Redd trip, Cable's telepathy recognized who they were they had a really nice family moment.

    (I'm 95% sure that happened and I didn't just imagine it.)

    Too bad the world went all Age of Apocalypse like a minute later.

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  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    What year is Ultra Gritty Future Cable from originally because we've got to be getting close now and that seems like a layup

    He was actually from like two thousand years in the future, iirc.

  • akajaybayakajaybay Registered User regular
    I like how out of place Wolverine looks in that promo.

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Yeah I have

    No idea what Logan is doing there

    Unless it is gonna get into that short time that a Skrull was impersonating him, I guess?

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    The Wolverine Everywhere System activates once again.

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  • never dienever die Registered User regular
    edited January 15
    I wish they had Kept the cuckoos being slightly independent

    It's also interesting because that's pretty much their original characterization from Morrison as well. From what I remember, while they present a hive mind to everyone else, they actually all have pretty distinct personalities that come out. Like Esme being pretty rebellious, arrogant, and wanting to move away from the group. Sophie, by contrast, was much more into the traditional superhero idea and wanted to help people (which is what lead to her original death in the riot on the campus). They were minor, but the intention was always they had more individuality then what was let on.

    Then Phoenix Warsong happened and they all lost their emotions for like, six years before, oddly enough, it was Bendis who brought back out the individuality aspects of the characters. And was played up very well in the most recent X-23 story arc with them.

    I am very curious to see how this goes though (because as BlankZoe said, the cover does hint that not everyone is cool with this). It could be a lot of fun; it could be lame. Duggan is a pretty good writer so I have some high hopes for it.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    The Wolverine Everywhere System activates once again.

    Kiryu-bub~

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  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    Straightzi wrote: »
    Oh I should also note that all of this happens essentially out of order because time travel

    Like, Cable first starts showing up in 1990, before baby Nathan was whisked away by Sister Askani

    But the idea that Rachel is Mother Askani isn't introduced until 1994, when she switches places with a time-displaced Captain Britain during some Excalibur shenanigans

    Which then leads to her establishing the Askani cult and sending Sister Askani back to 1991 to save young Nathan's life (because Apocalypse has infected him with the techno-organic virus)

    And that's also when we find out the stuff about Cable being raised by time displaced clone bodies of Scott and Jean, which Rachel also did because she got put into a coma by Apocalypse's minions but could still use her immense psychic powers while she was on life support or whatever

    Anyways, when Cable finally defeats Apocalypse, that fractures that whole future timeline and he's able to bring Rachel back to the present (where she lived in secret for a bit for some reason)

    ah, okay.

    I don't know why some people say comics continuity is hard to follow. That all seems perfectly simple and straightforward.

    *reaches for bottle*

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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    On a more serious "comics are impenetrable!" note, the real trick is that none of it matters and it is largely a problem of perception because comic stories these days are more serialized than ever and you can basically just start reading almost whenever and be fine

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  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    I was talking to someone just the other day who was saying they think they'd like to watch Doctor Who but they can't because "I have to start from the beginning!" like it's some kind of compulsion, and I just don't understand it at all.

  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    mostly I'm riffing on the soap-operatic absurdity that the X-books, in particular, have always had.

    like, I'm pretty sure the full Summers family tree can no longer be rendered in 2 or even 3 dimensions.

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  • MaddocMaddoc I'm Bobbin Threadbare, are you my mother? Registered User regular
    I just take any opportunity possible to rail against the perception that comics are difficult to get into

    I mean the only writer you need a flowchart to follow these days is Hickman

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  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    and he helpfully provides his own!

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  • RingoRingo HE KEEPS REPEATING THE LINE I'M GONNA CRY BLEASE LET HIM LIVE YOU MADE ME WATCH SO MUCH KISSING IN THIS FILM LET INIGO LIVERegistered User regular
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    Teen Cable is like

    The opposite of edgy

    He literally asked his mom for permission to trade laser guns and was told he had to set the table first

    And he is gonna be starring in what appears to be a goofy adventure book

    He also murdered himself? so I think the read of edgy teen version is not uncommon even if they're going a different direction now

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  • DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    Between skrulls and LMDs, there should be plenty of imposter characters running around, hypothetical no-prize ways at least, right

  • StraightziStraightzi Here we may reign secure, and in my choice, To reign is worth ambition though in HellRegistered User regular
    I was talking to someone just the other day who was saying they think they'd like to watch Doctor Who but they can't because "I have to start from the beginning!" like it's some kind of compulsion, and I just don't understand it at all.

    I was thinking about this recently, and I know I personally have a weird mix of things which I feel compelled to watch sequentially and things which I don't.

    Like, comics are an easy one - I'm not going to read everything that comes before. I'll prefer to start at the beginning of a creator's run, but I've absolutely read some stuff out of that order for like, big stories that got collected weird or whatever. Fun anecdote - my first comic series was Sandman, which I was buying the trades of at my poorly stocked bookstore, resulting in me reading the first trade and then immediately after it the tenth one. It honestly works, although I wouldn't recommend it.

    But I'm also not going to watch movies out of order. I've been told that the Fast and the Furious movies get good eventually, but having watched the first couple it feels like it'll be a real slog to get to that point, and so I haven't watched the ones that people like a lot more.

    Television is somewhere in between for me, and it depends on the content of the show. Sitcoms you can watch fairly out of order, for instance. I've never felt compelled to watch Dr. Who, as the one episode I saw was terrible, but if I did I imagine I would go with my comics policy and start at the beginning of an actor's run on it.

    I don't really read books that come in series anymore, but when I did, I know I started at the beginning with Discworld and The Dresden Files, two series where that is often not highly recommended (and two series I never got into, perhaps as a result).

  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Editorial confirmed that there will be an X-Men centric summer crossover this year, starting with their Free Comic Book Day issue

    Additionally, there is gonna be a new class of X-Kids soon, presumably from the many mutant children on Krakoa

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  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    edited January 15
    also, I was thinking a bit more on the whole thing where people keep telling me,
    "No, this teenager who fronts/is fronted as edgy and cool is actually a huge dork, so that's funny and sympathetic!"
    and what I came up with was
    "Yeah, that's actually all kids that age, and I don't find it amusing or engaging, or have much patience for it. Usually I just disengage and leave them to grow out of it, if they ever do."
    (This is comics, so they probably won't ever be allowed to.)

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    X-Men #10 is going to tie into Empyre, but it seems like it will do so in a way that lets it still be its own thing.

    With the new Kree and Skrull armada parking itself in Earth's orbit, the Summers clan's home on the moon suddenly becomes a much more important location and Scott, Logan and Jean go to see what's what.

    ...along with Vulcan, Sway and Petra. The latter of which haven't been seen since they were introduced as part of Xavier's secret team in Deadly Genesis, who were super dead.

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  • Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    edited January 15
    Vulcan was a focus character of the "Rise and Fall of the Shiar Empire" arc of Uncanny X-Men and the main villain in the War of Kings arc of D&A's cosmic odyssy.

    That said, he totally died at the end of the arc, so him coming back is news.

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  • TransporterTransporter Registered User regular
    Hey isn’t it super weird that Hickman’s involved with Marvel again and their overall quality has taken a bump up that’s totally strange.

    (I swear to god Marvel if you lean on that man too hard I will cut you)

  • Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    Vulcan was a focus character of the "Rise and Fall of the Shiar Empire" arc of Uncanny X-Men and the main villain in the War of Kings arc of D&A's cosmic odyssy.

    That said, he totally died at the end of the arc, so him coming back is news.

    we already saw him back in the first issue of Hickman's X-Men!

    HoXPoX introduced an infinite resurrection machine, it's not so much surprising that anyone is alive again, it's surprising that certain characters are being remembered enough to bring them back

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  • SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Registered User regular
    edited January 15
    I thought Sway and Petra came back by the end of Deadly Genesis too, along with Darwyn.

    I'm probably misremembering though.

    edit: NM they were totally dead. Granted I also forgot we can just crank out resurrected mutants in the new status quo.

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
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    ...huh!

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    Getting Cho and Rayes would've been neat.

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Oh yeah I get the reference, its just unexpected

    I actually think the black and Blue color schemes work well on both Spidey and Logan

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