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Help me get started investing online

TreelootTreeloot Registered User regular
edited May 2007 in Help / Advice Forum
I want to get started buying stocks. For various reasons I don't want to deal with a real life broker. I want to use the internet to purchase and sell stocks, but I'm not sure what site to use.

The only site I know of for online investing is E*Trade, but it can't be the only one out there. Are there any better sites out there? Is there anything special I need to know before I get involved in stocks online?

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Yeah, you need to know about stocks.

    Get a subscription to the Wall Street Journal, and start reading. Cover to cover, every day. After about a month, you should be ready to start investing.

    Don't trade with anything you can't afford to lose. Expect the money you invest like this to be going down the toilet, because at least your first few investments are likely to come out that way. If you're playing with less than $10,000 or so, you'd be better off sticking it in a savings account, where trading fees aren't going to eat it all up. And really, $10,000 is a ridiculously small amount to be trading stocks with on your own; $50,000 is a more reasonable figure.

    Or, you could just talk to a financial planner, and stick your money into a mutual fund, or an index fund, and not have to go through all that.

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  • racyrefinedrajracyrefinedraj Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Thanatos wrote: »
    stick your money into a mutual fund, or an index fund, and not have to go through all that.

    Many mutual funds (read: professionals who are paid to pick stocks) do not beat the market
    Amateurs who pick stocks in their free time tend to do even worse

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  • TreelootTreeloot Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Yeah, you need to know about stocks.

    Get a subscription to the Wall Street Journal, and start reading. Cover to cover, every day. After about a month, you should be ready to start investing.

    Don't trade with anything you can't afford to lose. Expect the money you invest like this to be going down the toilet, because at least your first few investments are likely to come out that way. If you're playing with less than $10,000 or so, you'd be better off sticking it in a savings account, where trading fees aren't going to eat it all up. And really, $10,000 is a ridiculously small amount to be trading stocks with on your own; $50,000 is a more reasonable figure.

    Or, you could just talk to a financial planner, and stick your money into a mutual fund, or an index fund, and not have to go through all that.

    I've been reading through books on investing, so I already know a bit about stocks. I'll definitely consider a Wall Street Journal subscription.

    I've got about $5000 want to stick in stocks instead of in my savings account, because in the long run stocks are usually the most profitable investment.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Treeloot wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Yeah, you need to know about stocks.

    Get a subscription to the Wall Street Journal, and start reading. Cover to cover, every day. After about a month, you should be ready to start investing.

    Don't trade with anything you can't afford to lose. Expect the money you invest like this to be going down the toilet, because at least your first few investments are likely to come out that way. If you're playing with less than $10,000 or so, you'd be better off sticking it in a savings account, where trading fees aren't going to eat it all up. And really, $10,000 is a ridiculously small amount to be trading stocks with on your own; $50,000 is a more reasonable figure.

    Or, you could just talk to a financial planner, and stick your money into a mutual fund, or an index fund, and not have to go through all that.
    I've been reading through books on investing, so I already know a bit about stocks. I'll definitely consider a Wall Street Journal subscription.

    I've got about $5000 want to stick in stocks instead of in my savings account, because in the long run stocks are usually the most profitable investment.
    Mutual funds and index funds can be made up of stocks. Mutual funds are well-diversified portfolios of investments, usually with some sort of theme. There are biotech mutual funds, sin mutual funds (they invest in alcohol, gambling, tobacco, etc.; they're actually a solid investment, since they tend to go up even in declining markets), "responsible" mutual funds (investing in companies that do good things), green mutual funds, etc., etc., etc. Pretty much anything you can imagine. Mutual funds can also include bonds, treasury bills, money market funds, etc.

    Index funds take an index (like the S&P 500) and invest equally in every stock in that index, then sell shares in the fund which move exactly like that index does. They're a type of mutual fund that's great in a market that's going up.

    With $5000, realistically speaking, you aren't going to make any money trading the market on your own. Hell, the Wall Street Journal subscription is going to eat into your investment considerably.

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  • Chaotic DescentChaotic Descent Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    What's the highest interest you can get guaranteed? I've heard some guarantee you make money, while the higher risk / higher potential profit ones obviously do not.

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  • kaliyamakaliyama Left to find less-moderated fora Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Investing in stocks as a high risk/reward option is unwise when you have little savings. You should be thinking of this as a home down payment/retirement nest egg. Put $$ into an IRA and more into a mutual fund, and just try to beat inflation by a modest amount. Better to have savings grow slowly over time than be wiped out overnight.

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  • TreelootTreeloot Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    What's the highest interest you can get guaranteed? I've heard some guarantee you make money, while the higher risk / higher potential profit ones obviously do not.

    Probably around 6 percent from a savings account, some bonds, or CDs. If it's government bond or FDIC insured, I think your money is pretty much guaranteed safe. Once inflation is figured in your money isn't worth 6% more every year though.

    While stocks can be riskier, in the long run they usually give better returns which is why I want to buy some.
    kaliyama wrote: »
    Investing in stocks as a high risk/reward option is unwise when you have little savings. You should be thinking of this as a home down payment/retirement nest egg. Put $$ into an IRA and more into a mutual fund, and just try to beat inflation by a modest amount. Better to have savings grow slowly over time than be wiped out overnight.

    Even in the unlikely event I lose all my money buying stocks, I've got plenty of backup money.

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  • Chaotic DescentChaotic Descent Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Treeloot wrote: »
    What's the highest interest you can get guaranteed? I've heard some guarantee you make money, while the higher risk / higher potential profit ones obviously do not.

    Probably around 6 percent from a savings account, some bonds, or CDs. If it's government bond or FDIC insured, I think your money is pretty much guaranteed safe. Once inflation is figured in your money isn't worth 6% more every year though.
    I'm not sure what you mean, but I've heard that at a high interest savings account of around 4%, your money only keeps up with inflation. Is that what you mean? If another 2% still isn't enough, then what the hell does even 10% matter?
    kaliyama wrote: »
    Investing in stocks as a high risk/reward option is unwise when you have little savings. You should be thinking of this as a home down payment/retirement nest egg. Put $$ into an IRA and more into a mutual fund, and just try to beat inflation by a modest amount. Better to have savings grow slowly over time than be wiped out overnight.

    Even in the unlikely event I lose all my money buying stocks, I've got plenty of backup money.
    they're saying you have too little spare money to make it worth bothering with. better to watch from the sidelines.

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  • TreelootTreeloot Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Treeloot wrote: »
    What's the highest interest you can get guaranteed? I've heard some guarantee you make money, while the higher risk / higher potential profit ones obviously do not.

    Probably around 6 percent from a savings account, some bonds, or CDs. If it's government bond or FDIC insured, I think your money is pretty much guaranteed safe. Once inflation is figured in your money isn't worth 6% more every year though.
    I'm not sure what you mean, but I've heard that at a high interest savings account of around 4%, your money only keeps up with inflation. Is that what you mean? If another 2% still isn't enough, then what the hell does even 10% matter?
    kaliyama wrote: »
    Investing in stocks as a high risk/reward option is unwise when you have little savings. You should be thinking of this as a home down payment/retirement nest egg. Put $$ into an IRA and more into a mutual fund, and just try to beat inflation by a modest amount. Better to have savings grow slowly over time than be wiped out overnight.

    Even in the unlikely event I lose all my money buying stocks, I've got plenty of backup money.
    they're saying you have too little spare money to make it worth bothering with. better to watch from the sidelines.

    I was just pointing out that while you might have 6% more money, with inflation it's not worth quite as much.

    I don't see why $5,000 is too little to start investing in stocks. I'm not going to pulling get rich quick trades all the time, I'm going to make a few initial investments and leave them be for awhile. Trading fees shouldn't hurt me too badly.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Treeloot wrote: »
    I was just pointing out that while you might have 6% more money, with inflation it's not worth quite as much.

    I don't see why $5,000 is too little to start investing in stocks. I'm not going to pulling get rich quick trades all the time, I'm going to make a few initial investments and leave them be for awhile. Trading fees shouldn't hurt me too badly.
    Well, if you know anything about stocks, you know that diversification is the key to a good portfolio. So, say you invest $500 in 10 different stocks (which, frankly, probably isn't diversified enough). Say you pay $7 per transaction. You just spent $70. That eats up 1.5% of your initial investment. So, now, in order to make the same amount you could have in a CD, pulling in 5.25% interest, you have to pull in 7% interest, as a relatively new investor. Now, 7% certainly isn't unreasonable, but for someone who has never invested before, it's a gamble. You're taking on a lot more risk than your return warrants. Basically, you're making a bad investment right from the get-go. And I'm not saying that you won't pull in 7%, or even 20% your first year doing it; it's just not statistically likely at all.

    But if you really want to do it, just do what I said in the first post. Start picking up the Wall Street Journal. Read some of the myriad books on investing in stocks that are out there (though most of them will tell you exactly what I have, here).

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  • supabeastsupabeast Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    What's the highest interest you can get guaranteed? I've heard some guarantee you make money, while the higher risk / higher potential profit ones obviously do not.

    Guaranteed investments don’t pay off enough to make it worthwhile. Hell, usually they won’t beat inflation.

    Treeloot wrote:
    I don't see why $5,000 is too little to start investing in stocks. I'm not going to pulling get rich quick trades all the time, I'm going to make a few initial investments and leave them be for awhile. Trading fees shouldn't hurt me too badly.

    $5000 isn’t bad if you plan to buy and hold for a long time, especially since you aren’t trying to get rich and you don’t plan to trade often. I encourage you to go for it–I can’t tell you how many $5000 chunks I wish I had dropped on stocks to hold onto. Christ, I knew what Apple and Nvidia were really worth when they were $10 a share, and if every $10 worth of beer and wine had just gone into Apple and Nvidia I’d be retired already. So keep your wits about you, invest the money, batten down the hatches and you’ll appreciate it later.

    Cheap trades can be found at Scottrade.com and they’re happy to handle small sums like yours.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    supabeast wrote: »
    What's the highest interest you can get guaranteed? I've heard some guarantee you make money, while the higher risk / higher potential profit ones obviously do not.
    Guaranteed investments don’t pay off enough to make it worthwhile. Hell, usually they won’t beat inflation.
    Bullshit. I'm pulling in 4.5% in my ING Orange account right now, and inflation hasn't broken 3% this year. Not even close to 3%. I'd be pulling in 5.25% if I stuck it in a 9-month CD through them.

    supabeast wrote: »
    Treeloot wrote:
    I don't see why $5,000 is too little to start investing in stocks. I'm not going to pulling get rich quick trades all the time, I'm going to make a few initial investments and leave them be for awhile. Trading fees shouldn't hurt me too badly.
    $5000 isn’t bad if you plan to buy and hold for a long time, especially since you aren’t trying to get rich and you don’t plan to trade often. I encourage you to go for it–I can’t tell you how many $5000 chunks I wish I had dropped on stocks to hold onto. Christ, I knew what Apple and Nvidia were really worth when they were $10 a share, and if every $10 worth of beer and wine had just gone into Apple and Nvidia I’d be retired already. So keep your wits about you, invest the money, batten down the hatches and you’ll appreciate it later.

    Cheap trades can be found at Scottrade.com and they’re happy to handle small sums like yours.
    Yeah, and for every Apple or Nvidia, there are 100 Pets.coms, or Enrons. And Scottrade, in fact, charge $7 per transaction, just like my above post.

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