I'll !vote for Infidel, if only to make things a little more interesting. TehSpectre is still ahead in the vote count and I'm not really feeling the Rygar bandwagon
Rygar and TS are tied, currently, my friend.
And thus my ulterior motive is revealed: a three-way tie! But seriously, I don't find any of the current bandwagons particularly objectionable, and I am perfectly happy to let Chance have a go at it.
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Chance doesn't really enter into it as the Calculators get involved.
Damnit people, I go play starcraft for a few hours and the thread grows 6 pages.
Theres a lot of plans being tossed about and names being dropped, so I must comment on one that caught my eye. Having the vote tied is a horrible idea, firstly because the calculators could swing it and be revealed(with only 6 people voting for each person it wouldn't be hard to figure out). Secondly because it leaves it open to tampering from the stoners, either to save one of their own or to try and fool us into thinking they saved one of their own so that we bandwagon an innocent the next day.
I still think Tehspectre is giving off the highest "stoner vibe" so I ain't changing my vote unless Infidel and Ryar surpass him in votes and are still tied with each other.
True. Forgot about that. My grand plan falls to pieces.
Man, I really hate vote fixers.
Edit: The only way a vote fixer is revealed is if someone is behind by one vote and they end up dying. If the vote is tied then it could just as easily have been a random selection.
I still think Tehspectre is giving off the highest "stoner vibe" so I ain't changing my vote unless Infidel and Ryar surpass him in votes and are still tied with each other.
As a vanillager, I think it's in our best interest to avoid ties, because this will make the Calculators harder to spot. Since a Calculator has a 50% chance of being allied with me, while a random person has only about a 40% chance of being allied with me, I'd rather make it harder for the stoners to spot the Calculators. Sure, from a personal point of view, it would be fun to play "spot the Calculators", but it's best for us in the long run to keep them hidden.
So, I'm going to place a vote that won't lead to a tie (Don't follow this bandwagon. It is not for following!) and doesn't speak to my faction.
I !vote Thorgot
Chance doesn't really enter into it as the Calculators get involved.
And the Larg Calculator will get involved for Tehspectre, and the Goltana Calculator will try to help Infidel, and neither power will work because they both used it at the same time.
This is what I don't get, why are the people voting for Infidel and Tehspectre so desperate not to have each side get their own network? There is only one faction that doesn't benefit from having a network established. Sure you don't want the other team to be more organized, but if you are more organized as well, you stay on a balance level. The end result is that the only people who lose out are the stoners.
The knights and seers of each respective team just have to get on board and then we can move from there. If this rubs you the wrong way, or somehow "arouses your suspicions" then there is a good chance you are in the vast minority who will be completely screwed by this plan (ie the stoners.)
Following this theory, I am going to !retract my vote for Inquistor since the only reason I voted for him was to protect the fledging factional networks, and make it less likely that my network focus points (Tehspectre or Infidel) ended up dead.
In that spirit, I am going to go ahead and place my vote for Grundlterror, because his logic makes absolutely no sense in the scope of organizing against the stoners, who until the ninjas and oracles mobilize, are the only people we can effectively out by their actions.
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As a vanillager, I think it's in our best interest to avoid ties, because this will make the Calculators harder to spot. Since a Calculator has a 50% chance of being allied with me, while a random person has only about a 40% chance of being allied with me, I'd rather make it harder for the stoners to spot the Calculators. Sure, from a personal point of view, it would be fun to play "spot the Calculators", but it's best for us in the long run to keep them hidden.
So, I'm going to place a vote that won't lead to a tie (Don't follow this bandwagon. It is not for following!) and doesn't speak to my faction.
I !vote Thorgot
That wagon has a beautiful tailgate. I think I'll watch it and maybe see where it go...
Your echo screen or potion or other useless item will be mine. I'm not really comfortable trying to sort out the mess up top. I had slightly unsettling feeling regarding Rygar, but I don't even recall what it was over, so I won't vote for him, just yet at least.
Edit to Rygar-There's the chance that one or both doesn't at all have the best interests of your faction at heart, so it's perhaps best to forget about the whole affair and place your attention elsewhere, or in lieu of simply forgetting, killing one or both, as killing is always a viable alternative to anything in Phalla.
But a tie won't reveal a Calculator. In fact, it basically allows a Calculator to choose who dies without exposing themselves, because we won't know whether it was a Calc or a RNG that decided the outcome.
As a vanillager, I think it's in our best interest to avoid ties, because this will make the Calculators harder to spot. Since a Calculator has a 50% chance of being allied with me, while a random person has only about a 40% chance of being allied with me, I'd rather make it harder for the stoners to spot the Calculators. Sure, from a personal point of view, it would be fun to play "spot the Calculators", but it's best for us in the long run to keep them hidden.
So, I'm going to place a vote that won't lead to a tie (Don't follow this bandwagon. It is not for following!) and doesn't speak to my faction.
I !vote Thorgot
So you rant about how ties are bad for the vanillage, and then immediately proceed to make a vote that maintains the existing tie?
But a tie won't reveal a Calculator. In fact, it basically allows a Calculator to choose who dies without exposing themselves, because we won't know whether it was a Calc or a RNG that decided the outcome.
Exactly, especially if both calculators use their power.
It's not fair for one side to get a network while the other doesn't. Let's not tip the scales in favor of one side over the other the very first round. If we we're allowed to kill two people I'd be all for killing TS and Infidel, but we only have one. Let's leave them to the ninjas and the stoners.
It's not fair for one side to get a network while the other doesn't. Let's not tip the scales in favor of one side over the other the very first round. If we we're allowed to kill two people I'd be all for killing TS and Infidel, but we only have one. Let's leave them to the ninjas and the stoners.
The right idea, but I was hoping perhaps I wouldn't die?
As a vanillager, I think it's in our best interest to avoid ties, because this will make the Calculators harder to spot. Since a Calculator has a 50% chance of being allied with me, while a random person has only about a 40% chance of being allied with me, I'd rather make it harder for the stoners to spot the Calculators. Sure, from a personal point of view, it would be fun to play "spot the Calculators", but it's best for us in the long run to keep them hidden.
So, I'm going to place a vote that won't lead to a tie (Don't follow this bandwagon. It is not for following!) and doesn't speak to my faction.
I !vote Thorgot
Anytime you place the second vote for a given candidate, you are pretty much starting a bandwagon.
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Exactly, especially if both calculators use their power.
I'm uncertain as to why you keep referring to the calculators' power as an optional one. "If" they both use it, and such. We don't have any indication that calculator powers are optional. Plus, the cancel effect you mentioned earlier is more suited for describing the time mages, who, if both use their powers, will end up doing nothing.
It's not fair for one side to get a network while the other doesn't. Let's not tip the scales in favor of one side over the other the very first round. If we we're allowed to kill two people I'd be all for killing TS and Infidel, but we only have one. Let's leave them to the ninjas and the stoners.
The right idea, but I was hoping perhaps I wouldn't die?
The three vote-leaders are Tehspectre, Infidel, and you. What did you expect people to do?
Exactly, especially if both calculators use their power.
I'm uncertain as to why you keep referring to the calculators' power as an optional one. "If" they both use it, and such. We don't have any indication that calculator powers are optional. Plus, the cancel effect you mentioned earlier is more suited for describing the time mages, who, if both use their powers, will end up doing nothing.
And it just says that a calculator's vote counts for two instead of one. Not that they can choose to have it count for two instead of one.
[EDIT] Yeah, that's a response to the thing you had before the ninja edit.
For some reason I kept thinking the calculator could change it by one in either direction, but if this is the case, then we can assume that they each have one more than they really have.
That said, I willing to admit that 60% of the people are on another team than me, but I am actively trying to pull ourselves out of this self-dug trap of giving the Stoners a free night of Larg/Goltana deaths. I really do think we should be concentrating our efforts on those people who dug the hole in the first place, or are actively trying to stop a backtrack. Thats where you will find a stoner.
So, I'm going to place a vote that won't lead to a tie (Don't follow this bandwagon. It is not for following!) and doesn't speak to my faction.
I !vote Thorgot
We're not falling for your cunning plan, WARK!
I !retract my vote for TehSpectre and instead place my !vote for thorgot.
And it just says that a calculator's vote counts for two instead of one. Not that they can choose to have it count for two instead of one.
[EDIT] Yeah, that's a response to the thing you had before the ninja edit.
For some reason I kept thinking the calculator could change it by one in either direction, but if this is the case, then we can assume that they each have one more than they really have.
That said, I willing to admit that 60% of the people are on another team than me, but I am actively trying to pull ourselves out of this self-dug trap of giving the Stoners a free night of Larg/Goltana deaths. I really do think we should be concentrating our efforts on those people who dug the hole in the first place, or are actively trying to stop a backtrack. Thats where you will find a stoner.
You make a good argument, even though you picked a crappy target. Why don't you go for one of the chief architects of the "pile on the exposed guy" strategy instead?
I !retract my vote for Rygar. I !vote for DevoutlyApathetic.
And it just says that a calculator's vote counts for two instead of one. Not that they can choose to have it count for two instead of one.
[EDIT] Yeah, that's a response to the thing you had before the ninja edit.
For some reason I kept thinking the calculator could change it by one in either direction, but if this is the case, then we can assume that they each have one more than they really have.
That said, I willing to admit that 60% of the people are on another team than me, but I am actively trying to pull ourselves out of this self-dug trap of giving the Stoners a free night of Larg/Goltana deaths. I really do think we should be concentrating our efforts on those people who dug the hole in the first place, or are actively trying to stop a backtrack. Thats where you will find a stoner.
You make a good argument, even though you picked a crappy target. Why don't you go for one of the chief architects of the "pile on the exposed guy" strategy instead?
I !retract my vote for Rygar. I !vote for DevoutlyApathetic.
I agree with this reasoning,
!retract Shamus the giovanni !vote DevoutelyApathetic
And damn you, FWD! Like I said before the last game, my suspicio-meter is somehow hypersensitive to DA in every phalla. I've tried hard to suppress the "must... kill... DevoutlyApathetic" urge this time, and here you are starting a legitimate-looking bandwagon I could just hop on.
But I resist. Starting the bandwagon on TehSpectre would be a bold move from a stoner, and I doubt they have the balls for that. Of course, Rygar isn't a terribly good candidate either. Meh.
And damn you, FWD! Like I said before the last game, my suspicio-meter is somehow hypersensitive to DA in every phalla. I've tried hard to suppress the "must... kill... DevoutlyApathetic" urge this time, and here you are starting a legitimate-looking bandwagon I could just hop on.
But I resist. Starting the bandwagon on TehSpectre would be a bold move from a stoner, and I doubt they have the balls for that. Of course, Rygar isn't a terribly good candidate either. Meh.
You do you know you are referring to a person who, as a capitalist, apparently infiltrated Lady Eri's network by impersonating a special who just happened to be inactive? I don't think bold begins to adequately describe the person.
And damn you, FWD! Like I said before the last game, my suspicio-meter is somehow hypersensitive to DA in every phalla. I've tried hard to suppress the "must... kill... DevoutlyApathetic" urge this time, and here you are starting a legitimate-looking bandwagon I could just hop on.
But I resist. Starting the bandwagon on TehSpectre would be a bold move from a stoner, and I doubt they have the balls for that. Of course, Rygar isn't a terribly good candidate either. Meh.
You do you know you are referring to a person who, as a capitalist, apparently infiltrated Lady Eri's network by impersonating a special who just happened to be inactive? I don't think bold begins to adequately describe the person.
I remember that, but I don't see what choice he had at the time. He had been seered as a special, and it was either convince Lady Eri or die.
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Theres a lot of plans being tossed about and names being dropped, so I must comment on one that caught my eye. Having the vote tied is a horrible idea, firstly because the calculators could swing it and be revealed(with only 6 people voting for each person it wouldn't be hard to figure out). Secondly because it leaves it open to tampering from the stoners, either to save one of their own or to try and fool us into thinking they saved one of their own so that we bandwagon an innocent the next day.
I still think Tehspectre is giving off the highest "stoner vibe" so I ain't changing my vote unless Infidel and Ryar surpass him in votes and are still tied with each other.
Man, I really hate vote fixers.
Edit: The only way a vote fixer is revealed is if someone is behind by one vote and they end up dying. If the vote is tied then it could just as easily have been a random selection.
Love and peace my man. Love and peace.
Radical...man.
So, I'm going to place a vote that won't lead to a tie (Don't follow this bandwagon. It is not for following!) and doesn't speak to my faction.
I !vote Thorgot
And the Larg Calculator will get involved for Tehspectre, and the Goltana Calculator will try to help Infidel, and neither power will work because they both used it at the same time.
This is what I don't get, why are the people voting for Infidel and Tehspectre so desperate not to have each side get their own network? There is only one faction that doesn't benefit from having a network established. Sure you don't want the other team to be more organized, but if you are more organized as well, you stay on a balance level. The end result is that the only people who lose out are the stoners.
The knights and seers of each respective team just have to get on board and then we can move from there. If this rubs you the wrong way, or somehow "arouses your suspicions" then there is a good chance you are in the vast minority who will be completely screwed by this plan (ie the stoners.)
Following this theory, I am going to !retract my vote for Inquistor since the only reason I voted for him was to protect the fledging factional networks, and make it less likely that my network focus points (Tehspectre or Infidel) ended up dead.
In that spirit, I am going to go ahead and place my vote for Grundlterror, because his logic makes absolutely no sense in the scope of organizing against the stoners, who until the ninjas and oracles mobilize, are the only people we can effectively out by their actions.
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That wagon has a beautiful tailgate. I think I'll watch it and maybe see where it go...
NO! Must...resist! Nrrrrrrrgh!
Maybe later.
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Your echo screen or potion or other useless item will be mine. I'm not really comfortable trying to sort out the mess up top. I had slightly unsettling feeling regarding Rygar, but I don't even recall what it was over, so I won't vote for him, just yet at least.
Edit to Rygar-There's the chance that one or both doesn't at all have the best interests of your faction at heart, so it's perhaps best to forget about the whole affair and place your attention elsewhere, or in lieu of simply forgetting, killing one or both, as killing is always a viable alternative to anything in Phalla.
So you rant about how ties are bad for the vanillage, and then immediately proceed to make a vote that maintains the existing tie?
Exactly, especially if both calculators use their power.
I !vote Rygar
It's not fair for one side to get a network while the other doesn't. Let's not tip the scales in favor of one side over the other the very first round. If we we're allowed to kill two people I'd be all for killing TS and Infidel, but we only have one. Let's leave them to the ninjas and the stoners.
The right idea, but I was hoping perhaps I wouldn't die?
Anytime you place the second vote for a given candidate, you are pretty much starting a bandwagon.
Just...no, okay?
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The three vote-leaders are Tehspectre, Infidel, and you. What did you expect people to do?
I got the two mixed up apparently.
[EDIT] Yeah, that's a response to the thing you had before the ninja edit.
For some reason I kept thinking the calculator could change it by one in either direction, but if this is the case, then we can assume that they each have one more than they really have.
That said, I willing to admit that 60% of the people are on another team than me, but I am actively trying to pull ourselves out of this self-dug trap of giving the Stoners a free night of Larg/Goltana deaths. I really do think we should be concentrating our efforts on those people who dug the hole in the first place, or are actively trying to stop a backtrack. Thats where you will find a stoner.
I !retract my vote for TehSpectre and instead place my !vote for thorgot.
You make a good argument, even though you picked a crappy target. Why don't you go for one of the chief architects of the "pile on the exposed guy" strategy instead?
I !retract my vote for Rygar.
I !vote for DevoutlyApathetic.
I agree with this reasoning,
!retract Shamus the giovanni
!vote DevoutelyApathetic
Infidel - 5
TehSpectre - 5
thorgot - 3
DevoutlyApathetic - 2
Anaximander - 1
Ardor - 1
Buzz Buzz - 1
cj iwakura - 1
Grundlterror - 1
jdarksun - 1
robothero - 1
Wearingglasses - 1
Zerinan - 1
11 people have yet to vote.
I'm so sorry.
And damn you, FWD! Like I said before the last game, my suspicio-meter is somehow hypersensitive to DA in every phalla. I've tried hard to suppress the "must... kill... DevoutlyApathetic" urge this time, and here you are starting a legitimate-looking bandwagon I could just hop on.
But I resist. Starting the bandwagon on TehSpectre would be a bold move from a stoner, and I doubt they have the balls for that. Of course, Rygar isn't a terribly good candidate either. Meh.
You do you know you are referring to a person who, as a capitalist, apparently infiltrated Lady Eri's network by impersonating a special who just happened to be inactive? I don't think bold begins to adequately describe the person.
I !retract thorgot
I !vote Rygar
I remember that, but I don't see what choice he had at the time. He had been seered as a special, and it was either convince Lady Eri or die.
(Besides him being Rygar of course.)
Do I just PM a mod to get the topic title changed?
And, what's the character limit for a post? XD
EDIT: By going into Advanced edit mode, you get a title box?
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As of this post:
Infidel - 5
TehSpectre - 5
thorgot - 2
DevoutlyApathetic - 2
Anaximander - 1
Ardor - 1
Buzz Buzz - 1
cj iwakura - 1
Grundlterror - 1
Inquisitor - 1
jdarksun - 1
robothero - 1
Wearingglasses - 1
Zerinan - 1
I'm a little busy this week so I won't be around much. Go my side! Yeah.
Also if the moogles can WARK and KWEH at odd moments, can I Kupo kupo! too?
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Hey moogles are instinct in the world of FFT, that must mean that we are dealing with an undead moogle!