wow i see cj is trying to ressurect his day 1 bandwagon on me. Sorry, i'm not going to hand Larg a victory, and i hope my fellow goltana don't want to do the same. !vote bliss101
Wow, this is bad. Not a single Lucavi died. And now both Ninja's died.
There are 6 larg left, 2 of you are Lucavi. That is to say there is a 1 in 3 chance of any Larg member being Lucavi. That is to also say that due to the death of Tofu there is a 1 in 3 chance of the Ninja role being passed on to a Lucavi. Goltana on the other hand now has 4 people left, and 1 lucavi. Our ninja also died, so there was a 1 in 4 chance of the Ninja going over to the Lucavi.
Great. Voting for frandelgearslip was a great idea. Instead of trying to cut the killing power of the Lucavi in half the Larg decided to possibly hand the Lucavi ANOTHER kill a night, and possibly even a fourth kill. If the Lucavi have both ninja we are pretty much screwed. But, we don't know if that is the case, so for now we much push on.
Larg, you need to look closely internally. A lucavi needs to die and soon so they can stop killing two of us a night. There is a 1 in 3 chance that any member of your organization is a Lucavi. 1 in 3! I urge Goltana to do the same. Hopefully our Ninja has not fallen into Lucavi hands. You have a 1 in 4 chance of killing Lucavi.
cj iwakura, voting for fander was a terrible idea. Killing our ninja, the only point of that would be possibly handing the killing power to the Lucavi. The ninja role never disapears, so killing the ninja is pointless unless you want to shuffle power around. I said earlier, Larg doesn't have the killing power to stop the Lucavi, especially because Holy Stone kills take place before Ninja kills. I think cj knows this well, I think cj is Lucavi, because for certain his actions last night have put them closer to a win than ever before. Either your a lucavi cj, or you don't know what your doing. You always name someone to vote for, never giving good reasons why, people bandwaggon after you and bad things happen.
So, once again:
!vote cj iwakura
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cj iwakuraThe Rhythm RegentBears The Name FreedomRegistered Userregular
edited May 2007
I've been basing my votes off what the network wants. My innocence has already been confirmed by them via our knight. Whether you want to trust me as well is up to you, but I'm not the one you should be after.
That said, I suspected frandel and I was wrong, but he was the one who tried to kill me, so I can't say I'm entirely remorseful about his death.
At any rate, whoever the new ninjas are, we still have a chance of keeping the odds on our side, especially if we can actually work together to put the odds back in our favor.
Alright guys, reveal time. As CJ already knows, I'm one of the last Goltana family members. My partner is the ninja, so don't worry about the Lucavi having an extra stabby power. Since we have a 50% chance of hitting our Lucavi, I would ask that the Larg work on weeding the Lucavi out of their group while we deal with ours.
If what Gnasty says is true, then Mazlo is your family member and Bliss is your knight. This leaves you with the same 50% chance of killing the Lucavi, provided they don't kill your ninja first. I know CJ found out from our network that I was a Goltana family member, then tried to turn on me as an inactive, but beyond that, I have no leads as far as who might be Lucavi on the Larg side.
I'm sure I'm dead this round, but I was probably dead either way. Hopefully it's not too late to win this for at least one prince.
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cj iwakuraThe Rhythm RegentBears The Name FreedomRegistered Userregular
edited May 2007
I honestly did not know that.
However, for the moment, we're sure our network is secure, as far as who's in it.
Also, the ninja is on our side as well, and I was considering you as a target. I'm glad to know that won't be necessary.
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I'm not sure it is secure, since Mazlo told me that there were two infiltrators (me being one of them).
I just can't decide if I should vote for you or Bliss.
You were pretty good at not hitting any Lucavi while you were network head (well, I guess you still are network head. And you were planning on killing another Goltana).
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edited May 2007
We still don't know who all the Larg are, so finding the Larg Lucavi means we have to go after one of the four inactives, so for the moment, it's easier to go after an outed Goltana, especially since there are two Lucavi in that faction.
Can we agree to have our ninjas target the inactives? Because I think that's for the best.
We still don't know who all the Larg are, so finding the Larg Lucavi means we have to go after one of the four inactives, so for the moment, it's easier to go after an outed Goltana, especially since there are two Lucavi in that faction.
Can we agree to have our ninjas target the inactives? Because I think that's for the best.
Ummm
No.
There are two Lucavi in the LARG FACTION.
There is one Lucavi in the goltana faction.
Should you really be the leader of your network if you can't get such basic facts right?
Additionally, cj iwakura was tied in second place for votes last night. That means had the lucavi decided to kill fander, the vote would have slipped down and had a fifty fifty chance of killing iwakura. The vote kill obviously gets by the knight shield (as shown by B:L) and this would have been one of their best shots at killing the gaurded iwakura easily. The fact that they did NOT take this course of action implies that one or possibly both of the people that were tied in second place for votes last night are Lucavi.
The tied people were cj iwakura and gnasty, and between the two of you, and the fact that gnasty is now voting for you cj iwakura, this leads me to only further believe you are Lucavi.
So far, what you have thought is best has resulted in 9 dead goltana.
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cj iwakuraThe Rhythm RegentBears The Name FreedomRegistered Userregular
edited May 2007
That's hardly a bad thing for our side.
Which reminds me: we still have two members who we don't know the identities of. Being made aware of them would be nice, though one of them is a Lucavi, so I highly doubt both will come forward.
cj iwakuraThe Rhythm RegentBears The Name FreedomRegistered Userregular
edited May 2007
Well, trust this.
Rather than get myself killed and waste your vote on an innocent, I'll make the gamble.
I am the Larg Ninja.
As a show of faith, I'll kill whoever the majority believes should truly die. Whether or not you want to kill me by the vote is up to you, but I'd hope the innocents amongst you would rather have me on your side.
And if you vote me to die, one of you will still be first. If you want to stop me, you'll have to kill me through other means.
So, I'm offering my talents to eliminate a more mutual threat. Before tonight, I was merely a noble with a dagger. (I don't know if my having had an item eliminates my suspicion or not, but that was the case from the beginning.)
And one last thing to bear in mind: if you kill me, my role has a 50% chance of going to a real Lucavi. I don't think you want that.
*shrugs* Killing me, or even threatening to kill me only furthers the fact you want the Lucavi to win.
It's clear at this point that I am not Lucavi, thanks to the slip up in narration and me not putting up a good enough front on denying the fact I was a Goltana noble.
We need to kill a Lucavi tonight, if you waste your ninja kill on me, your just helping the Lucavi.
Besides, if you really are a Ninja and not a Lucavi at all you just threw your kill away, seeing as Lucavi kills go first if you are not Lucavi they are going to kill you before your attack can even go off, on the off chance your not targeting me. So really, threaten me all you want.
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cj iwakuraThe Rhythm RegentBears The Name FreedomRegistered Userregular
edited May 2007
Then, again, put forth a better suspect.
You can either kill me and let me take someone at random with me, or have my kill at your disposal and have the chance of actually taking out a Lucavi.
Bandwagoning the ninja is very dangerous. I'm pretty confident that CJ isn't Lucavi, but if he dies, odds are very high that the Lucavi get the ninja ability, which I reckon leads to almost certain victory for them.
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cj iwakuraThe Rhythm RegentBears The Name FreedomRegistered Userregular
edited May 2007
Well, at this point, it's only going to take one of you to change your mind.
(If I'm not mistaken, I have three, and robothero has two.)
As long as the bandwagon turns away, my kill is left to the council's discretion.
Again, I'm a person of my word, and this applies to my role as well.
If CJ is what he claims, killing him his a huge risk, as the odds of a ninja kill going to the Lucavi are quite high.
*sigh* This is really hard.
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cj iwakuraThe Rhythm RegentBears The Name FreedomRegistered Userregular
edited May 2007
If I'm lying, you'll easily know tomorrow, and can just kill me then. I think you stand to lose far more from not trusting me if I'm telling the truth than trusting me if I'm lying.
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!vote robothero
If this is to be our faction's last night, I'll see our final suspicion through to the end.
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According to the order of actions, the Lucavi killed tofu before his ninja action could go off.
I !vote robothero
There are 6 larg left, 2 of you are Lucavi. That is to say there is a 1 in 3 chance of any Larg member being Lucavi. That is to also say that due to the death of Tofu there is a 1 in 3 chance of the Ninja role being passed on to a Lucavi. Goltana on the other hand now has 4 people left, and 1 lucavi. Our ninja also died, so there was a 1 in 4 chance of the Ninja going over to the Lucavi.
Great. Voting for frandelgearslip was a great idea. Instead of trying to cut the killing power of the Lucavi in half the Larg decided to possibly hand the Lucavi ANOTHER kill a night, and possibly even a fourth kill. If the Lucavi have both ninja we are pretty much screwed. But, we don't know if that is the case, so for now we much push on.
Larg, you need to look closely internally. A lucavi needs to die and soon so they can stop killing two of us a night. There is a 1 in 3 chance that any member of your organization is a Lucavi. 1 in 3! I urge Goltana to do the same. Hopefully our Ninja has not fallen into Lucavi hands. You have a 1 in 4 chance of killing Lucavi.
cj iwakura, voting for fander was a terrible idea. Killing our ninja, the only point of that would be possibly handing the killing power to the Lucavi. The ninja role never disapears, so killing the ninja is pointless unless you want to shuffle power around. I said earlier, Larg doesn't have the killing power to stop the Lucavi, especially because Holy Stone kills take place before Ninja kills. I think cj knows this well, I think cj is Lucavi, because for certain his actions last night have put them closer to a win than ever before. Either your a lucavi cj, or you don't know what your doing. You always name someone to vote for, never giving good reasons why, people bandwaggon after you and bad things happen.
So, once again:
!vote cj iwakura
That said, I suspected frandel and I was wrong, but he was the one who tried to kill me, so I can't say I'm entirely remorseful about his death.
At any rate, whoever the new ninjas are, we still have a chance of keeping the odds on our side, especially if we can actually work together to put the odds back in our favor.
Your sides oracle has been dead for a long, long time. Nothing is proven, just believed.
Also, basing your vote off what your network wants, a network very likely to contain two Lucavi, doesn't seem like the best plan ever.
*points to self*
Seriously. The Larg network isn't exactly secure.
If what Gnasty says is true, then Mazlo is your family member and Bliss is your knight. This leaves you with the same 50% chance of killing the Lucavi, provided they don't kill your ninja first. I know CJ found out from our network that I was a Goltana family member, then tried to turn on me as an inactive, but beyond that, I have no leads as far as who might be Lucavi on the Larg side.
I'm sure I'm dead this round, but I was probably dead either way. Hopefully it's not too late to win this for at least one prince.
However, for the moment, we're sure our network is secure, as far as who's in it.
Also, the ninja is on our side as well, and I was considering you as a target. I'm glad to know that won't be necessary.
That isn't how my innocence was proven.
Our network was unsure for a time, but we're secure now, so the remaining nobility can be assured that its members aren't a threat.
I just can't decide if I should vote for you or Bliss.
You were pretty good at not hitting any Lucavi while you were network head (well, I guess you still are network head. And you were planning on killing another Goltana).
Can we agree to have our ninjas target the inactives? Because I think that's for the best.
Ummm
No.
There are two Lucavi in the LARG FACTION.
There is one Lucavi in the goltana faction.
Should you really be the leader of your network if you can't get such basic facts right?
Hell, even Mazlo was suspicious of you.
The tied people were cj iwakura and gnasty, and between the two of you, and the fact that gnasty is now voting for you cj iwakura, this leads me to only further believe you are Lucavi.
So far, what you have thought is best has resulted in 9 dead goltana.
Which reminds me: we still have two members who we don't know the identities of. Being made aware of them would be nice, though one of them is a Lucavi, so I highly doubt both will come forward.
Yeah, nine dead Goltana and no dead Lucavi certainly does help your Lucavi brethren quite nicely.
I just don't trust you.
Rather than get myself killed and waste your vote on an innocent, I'll make the gamble.
I am the Larg Ninja.
As a show of faith, I'll kill whoever the majority believes should truly die. Whether or not you want to kill me by the vote is up to you, but I'd hope the innocents amongst you would rather have me on your side.
And if you vote me to die, one of you will still be first. If you want to stop me, you'll have to kill me through other means.
So, I'm offering my talents to eliminate a more mutual threat. Before tonight, I was merely a noble with a dagger. (I don't know if my having had an item eliminates my suspicion or not, but that was the case from the beginning.)
And one last thing to bear in mind: if you kill me, my role has a 50% chance of going to a real Lucavi. I don't think you want that.
Is it possible for someone to be a Lucavi and a ninja at the same time?
After the original dies, that is. From the beginning, only normal players can be the ninja. After that, the role can fall to anyone.
I'll be absent for a few hours, from here on out. I will return before the closing of the vote.
I hope you will make the right decision, but I am a noble of my word. Whoever you all believe is a Lucavi, they will die at my hand.
Though, if you continue to advocate my demise, then I will simply kill whoever I please.
Choose wisely.
Should I die, my role is not the only thing in my position you don't want the Lucavi to have.
If a Lucavi does not die tonight, they have too many kills and will definately win the game.
And in my eyes you are definately Lucavi.
It's clear at this point that I am not Lucavi, thanks to the slip up in narration and me not putting up a good enough front on denying the fact I was a Goltana noble.
We need to kill a Lucavi tonight, if you waste your ninja kill on me, your just helping the Lucavi.
Besides, if you really are a Ninja and not a Lucavi at all you just threw your kill away, seeing as Lucavi kills go first if you are not Lucavi they are going to kill you before your attack can even go off, on the off chance your not targeting me. So really, threaten me all you want.
You can either kill me and let me take someone at random with me, or have my kill at your disposal and have the chance of actually taking out a Lucavi.
I think I will heed my own advice and try to figure out who on the Goltana side is the Lucavi.
Since it's obvious I'm goltana, I guess I'll ask all surviving goltanas to PM me.
(If I'm not mistaken, I have three, and robothero has two.)
As long as the bandwagon turns away, my kill is left to the council's discretion.
Again, I'm a person of my word, and this applies to my role as well.
*sigh* This is really hard.
There are 10 people left. 5 larg (2 lucavi), 5 goltana (1 lucavi).
Since I'm in second place, lets assume we switch the vote from CJ to me, and i die by vote. The Lucavi kill two people, and the ninja kill two people.
5 people remain. The lucavi hold the majority vote, and can kill off everyone left alive.