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[Zodiac Phalla] Monday the 8th: The Taste of Victory [Larg Victory!]
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However, that means I should give the oracles more faith with my praise faith ability so their chances are higher, right?
I could threaten people too, see more chickens running around might be a welcome change of pace.
This is what I was thinking.
http://stoners.proboards106.com/index.cgi#strategize
WIN!
-Oscar Wilde
That said, I'm shying away from voting for somebody claiming to represent one side or the other, because it could mean laying down my cards a bit too early, and not giving a chance for netorks to form to beat the opposite faction. Chances are anyways that the ninjas will take out the one claiming to be on the opposite team to deny networking opportunites.
I'll save my vote for now, and see who strikes me as suspicious. The people who are voting for Infidel or TehSpectre seem to be doing it based on their "kill Larg/Goltana" instincts, because those votes are a bit too neatly divided.
Sonofabitch
NNID: Hakkekage
And how would we know what seering result came back anyway?
Do you want the oracle to come out and say "Hey guys, I'm the oracle and tehspectre is totally evil!". Seems like a good way to get the oracle killed.
I personally voted for Infidel because I think he is a stone holder. Even though TehSpectre seems to be dying on Monday, I believe his story. But I get the feeling that Infidel is totally bluffing. To me it seems that he saw what TehSpectre was doing and was like, "Oh cool, I can pose as the side opposite of him." Now whether he is actually a G-man or an L-man is impossible to know, but I have a feeling that he has one of those stones either way.
-Oscar Wilde
The game is afoot.
You? I like the way you think.
!retract my vote for Rygar
!vote to kill Infidel
I see TehSpectre has stolen my usual opening move.
And Hylianbunny chose the premise of the Phalla I was going to make.
That makes sense, but I still don't know if I'm going to vote one way or the other, I've got lots of time to decide.
Plus I would like to say one thing. Woo! Someone else is using the G-man/L-man terms I made!
What is the problem there?
The problem is that we don't know if the oracle is an oracle, and now we have a defensless knight.
Small rules question about knights actually. Does the knight's ability block all attacks for the night against a person? Or just the first. IE. the knight gaurded an oracle, and a ninja attack and a holy stoner attack went off against the oracle, would the oracle live or die?
There seem to be some items out there, the powers of which are unknown. Maybe TehSpectre is a bad guy with an item that lets him seem innocent to an oracle.
In any case, I think the oracle's are plenty able to building their own networks. The risk/reward don't add up.
I !Vote for TehSpectre
This is a common thing during most phallas, are you guys forgetting that?
@ Shinto - Don't be jealous.
Once again, it seems I am gonna be crucified on day one for coming out and saying I want to help. Suppose I will learn my lesson eventually, eh?
O ho! I jest good sire, I jest.
The style of his posts is annoying me.
Surely you wouldn't want to punch me good sire.
I, I wear glasses afterall! *produces a large pair of coke-bottle glasses and places them on*
If this bandwagon gets rolling, I am all aboard.
Of course, this will be taken as me having allied with Inquisitor and he -must- be a Holy Stone wielder.
Better bandwagon away then, we don't want anyone to have fun; gosh no!
In this game the only justification you can provide for a vote against someone is that you think they're a holy stone holder. So, if I believed X was a member of my opposing faction and I wanted to get him killed, if I didn't want to expose my own faction I would have to make it seem like I'm voting for him because I think he's a holy stone guy.
So even though all of the votes against Infidel and TS are based on the justification that the voter believes them to be holy stone holders, it doesn't mean that that is the real reason for why they're voting for that person.
We should try to find a third candidate for death who hasn't exposed their faction yet.
Precisely
The tough part about this game is that none of us can claim to be innocent; If I'm on your side, you hurt yourself pretty harshly with my death, but if I'm on the other side, I have to die. We can't all just be villagers. And if we give the Stoners too much of a good ratio, both sides are fucked.
I say we build up the Infidel/TehSpectre votes so that when it comes close to night one and we need to push one of them on ahead, we can do it. Optimally, they'll be tied for second while some other unexposed bastard is in first. What remains to be seen is who that poor bastard is.
I'm going to check the votes and see who needs a vote more, TS or Infidel. Un minuto...
NNID: Hakkekage
Assuming he wants to tell us, of course. Or have I missed a response from him on the subject?
I assume the fact that vigilantes can be guarded against and the execution vote can't is why people are voting for them, but I agree that the goal of the execution vote should be to try and kill stoners not factioners. Tehspectre can be either side, but I doubt that he is a stoner, because this is his standard modus operandi. The one recent game I can remember where he did not try to insert himself into the network was rygars game where he was a standard bad guy.
I must be missing something, what is the point of manipulating the infidel/tehspectre votes? Are we trying to confirm lady eri? :P
But this isn't an ordinary Phalla. I think the guardians have more value in the endgame now, whereas in normal Phallas their primary use seems to be to serve as building blocks for an early network.
Your plan simply requires too much trust from others to be effective, and the bottom line is, it isn't safe. What if you're a stoner or a G-man? If the seer has half a brain, he'll find a mouthpiece to announce this fact in public rather than out himself, which takes him another day to do, during which you can already proceed to start exposing or killing the specials who fell into your trap. In other words, there will be two rounds of deaths before your identity can be verified to the public, and only after that can the seer and the other specials be put in contact with each other through you. Too much can happen in that time.
That, and there are too many unknown factors (items, holy stone kill number, the whole itemholder seering thing). The Vampire game should have taught us what happens when people become too trusting and/or overlook unknown factors.
I admit there's a chance that I'm a bit biased here, because I truly hate insta-networks for ruining the game for most vanillagers (see my rants during the vampire game), but I'm trying hard to be objective. And objectively, you and Infidel do seem like the best candidates for staking at the moment, and the only thing that keeps me from voting yet is that the ninjas are likely to be taking you out anyway.
TehSpectre 6
Infidel 4
robothero 1
Shamus 1
Buzz Buzz 1
Zerinian 1
cj iwakura 1
Balefuego 1
Rygar 1
and so I !vote Infidel to even this playing field.
NNID: Hakkekage
Hey, quit groping my stones!
As someone who hates demons and their holy stones, I don't believe I'd like to reveal my faction just yet with a vote for either of those two, or a vote for anyone who voted for either of those. Sure, I have my own ideas about who would make a good successor to the throne, but I'd rather get rid of the demons first. I'm just hoping another person attracts my suspicion without giving away their faction first.
Just like in the game.
Can anyone care to tell a summary of exactly what happened in that Vampire phalla?
Do you honestly think no one has thought of that? Some maybe, some most likely realized how mind-numbingly obvious that is and voted for their own side. And then some even realized that, and voted for the other side, and we could play this game until our dying days.
tFrandelgearslip: The reason why I want them within voting in/out range is because people behind the scenes--in this case, I mean Stoners (maybe, Hylian hasn't responded back yet), family, anyone who is in contact with someone else--will probably be deliberating over the current situation. If we leave that in doubt; make it unclear just who is going to be killed by the vote on account of them being tied, then we confuse any little tricksies that may pop up. Remember, we aren't sure what stoners can do. if they have a killing power, they may very well kill the same person we already staked. This gives them that much less fo a chance of stabbing blindly in the dark and hitting, since most people seem concerned, a knight, or such. Plus, if we really want to kill someone, then the knight can't protect against a vote. We can't rely on ninjas to get shit done, since these people are setting themselves up for a vigilante/protection combo deluxe.
Now I'm not a very good planner. It's tough for me to think ahead. But I figure this is a viable, mini-strategy to be employed until one of the big guns like Ardor comes up with something better.
Also I have been watching Firefly and I feel smarter. 8-)
NNID: Hakkekage
Hear hear. It's a bit stupid of us to wittle each other down and slowly die off while the demons sit back and have easy pickin's.
If we could arrange for them not to fudge the votes, or fudge votes against the person claiming to not be their faction, we would be able to have a tie, and in that case, only one of the two would be selected at random.
That is of course if the will of the community dictates death to those who would announce their potentially false alleigences this early in the game.
Planeswalker
Will of the Council - Starting with you, each player votes for death goblin.