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  • Mx. QuillMx. Quill I now prefer "Myr. Quill", actually... {They/Them}Registered User regular
    Aistan wrote: »
    Played through Untitled Goose Game.

    Can confirm, that goose is an asshole

    As in, in its entirety? Dang.

    It's not a particularly long game, maybe three hours. They do give you additional challenges afterwards, though.

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  • KelorKelor Registered User regular
    The District Court of Paris has issued a ruling saying that French owners of digital games on Steam are permitted to resell them under EU law.

    Next Inpact reports (as translated by GamesIndustry.biz sister-site Rock Paper Shotgun) that the court ruled in favor of the French consumer interest group Union fédérale des consommateurs, the Federal Union of Consumers on a number of clauses including the issue of digital resales.

    The Federal Union of Consumers has been pursuing Valve for several years now over numerous issues in the Steam Subscriber Agreement. This particular ruling by the French court looks at Valve's claim that consumers do not actually purchase a digital product when they buy a game -- rather, they purchase a subscription to access and use content and services on Steam. The court's ruling classifies these sales as digital licenses rather than subscriptions, thus allowing them to be resold in the same way that physical games have been resellable.

    Per the court, the prohibition against digital resales violates EU laws that maintain "the free movement of goods within the Union." All goods sold within the EU must be able to be resold without permission from the person who originally sold them.

    Additionally, the court says Steam's terms claim a number of other rights Valve does not actually have, including keeping wallet funds without reimbursement when users leave the platform, relinquishing responsibility if users incur harm using the platform, as well as certain rights regarding mod use, user-submitted content, and account termination. A total of fourteen clauses were determined to be unacceptable.

    Though Valve can still appeal this ruling within the next three months, the Federal Union of Consumers intends to use it to further other legal challenges against Steam both in France as well as in other EU countries.

    "We disagree with the decision of the Paris Court of First Instance and will appeal it," a Valve spokesperson said to Polygon. "The decision will have no effect on Steam while the case is on appeal."

  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    lack of reselling of digital products is in direct conflict with First Sale Doctrine, and this is something that's been a long time coming

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  • BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    so I'm still confused as to whether this just means

    1) steam removes some wording from the EULA saying that you have no right to resell (and perhaps no longer bans people in france who sell their entire account), so you do have the right to do it, but they're not going to provide the means

    or

    2) steam has to create some new feature that allows users to re-sell digital games on their marketplace


    like if it's 1, then I'm not sure I care or what will really change here

    if it's 2, that's gonna dramatically change all of steam's agreements with pretty much every publisher and dev, won't it? like won't every user now be a potential seller, and will a developer even see a dime from a used digital game sale?

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  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    steam will not create a new feature

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  • MorivethMoriveth BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWNRegistered User regular
    Steam will, however, funnel money into developing an AI that will ostensibly design the new feature

    Maybe

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited September 2019
    The interpretation of the law the court went with seems to be that transferring digital software licenses is equivalent to transferring physical copies of a software and so publishers wouldn't be entitled to a second cut of any money that changes hands. Whether it's case 1 or 2 in terms of valve implementing a way to transfer software licenses within steam, I can't say.

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  • Der Waffle MousDer Waffle Mous Blame this on the misfortune of your birth. New Yark, New Yark.Registered User regular
    Gears 5 was incredibly enjoyable.

    That said there's a choice before the end that's maybe one of the easiest one of those I've probably ever made since, I guess Mass Effect 1.
    I'm honestly more broken up about Jack.

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  • MrMonroeMrMonroe passed out on the floor nowRegistered User regular
    Whatever the law is anywhere it won't compel Valve to create a reselling market for games.

    I absolutely believe they will allow Europeans to resell their accounts but then put some technical barrier on it that prevents it being done via API

  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    edited September 2019
    hypothetically valve could say "fuck this" and pull out of the EU market rather than be compelled to support trading licenses within steam, but it's not like it's beyond the powers of the EU to compel them to implement such a system in their software if they want to keep doing business there, like they did with refunds.

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  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    Valve can't pull out of the EU, Dota lives there

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  • Fig-DFig-D Tustin, CA, USRegistered User regular
    This could also sit in appeals long enough that the face of the digital sales landscape may change by the time the ruling would have any real affect. Streaming content may not be the ideal this instant but Google and others are pouring beaucoup bucks into it and at that point Valve (and others) can very successfully argue to a court that they are providing a service with "purchase" (now referred to as a "one time service fee" as we are running games on their hardware while they stream it to us) and as such would be immune to litigation regarding sales to a end user. We hardly own the content we purchase now, terms of ownership will only get muddier in the future.

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  • The Cow KingThe Cow King a island Registered User regular
    Valve can't pull out of the EU, Dota lives there

    Counter strike and a bunch of other of other games that have had eSports for decades but they can't exist feasibly in America due to the shitty social services and extreme captialistic nature and profit hounding it dememds

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    Valve can't just decide to pull their platform out of the EU without all the publishers rioting, but luckily for Valve, publishers don't want re-selling of digital sales, either.

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User regular
    I didn't mean to imply valve pulling out of europe was likely. That was an intentionally ridiculous hypothetical to illustrate the point that the EU can choose to regulate them to force them to allow trading of game licenses within steam, and valve's only leverage against that is threatening to not do business in the EU, in response to MrMonroe's post.

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  • Donovan PuppyfuckerDonovan Puppyfucker A dagger in the dark is worth a thousand swords in the morningRegistered User regular
    There's over 510 million people in the EU, if Valve wanted to abandon something like two fifths of their entire userbase in one fell swoop...

  • Indie WinterIndie Winter die Krähe Rudi Hurzlmeier (German, b. 1952)Registered User regular
    what they're going to try and do is make it costly and tiresome for the EU to fight this so they can force a compromise or ideally make them back off the whole thing, like the ESA was a compromise with the US government to avoid regulation

    knowing the EU I'm guessing they might actually be taking this seriously so they'll stay for the long haul

    I assume valve will want to litigate this for a few years and put up as many roadblocks as possible before coming up with a suggestion for steam exclusive currency that'll keep their userbase snugly in their ecosystem and prevent any money from actually escaping

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  • OlivawOlivaw good name, isn't it? the foot of mt fujiRegistered User regular
    I am finally playing through Hollow Knight for the first time without reading anything about it

    Yo this game is cool as hell but boy I wish there were more fast travel points because traversing the environment is fun and all but JEEZ

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  • Dee KaeDee Kae Registered User regular
    Olivaw wrote: »
    I am finally playing through Hollow Knight for the first time without reading anything about it

    Yo this game is cool as hell but boy I wish there were more fast travel points because traversing the environment is fun and all but JEEZ

    Eventually, you'll snag something that'll help yah. ;3 Multiple things even!

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  • OlivawOlivaw good name, isn't it? the foot of mt fujiRegistered User regular
    edited September 2019
    Dee Kae wrote: »
    Olivaw wrote: »
    I am finally playing through Hollow Knight for the first time without reading anything about it

    Yo this game is cool as hell but boy I wish there were more fast travel points because traversing the environment is fun and all but JEEZ

    Eventually, you'll snag something that'll help yah. ;3 Multiple things even!

    I have one of them I think, but boy I hope I get another thing that lets me zip to certain points, that’ll really help with secret clean up once I have like, all the movement options and stuff

    Oh yeah there’s also like eight different content packs they added afterward too? I don’t know how big all those are or how much I’ve even done already but this game feels BIG

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  • BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    Olivaw wrote: »
    Dee Kae wrote: »
    Olivaw wrote: »
    I am finally playing through Hollow Knight for the first time without reading anything about it

    Yo this game is cool as hell but boy I wish there were more fast travel points because traversing the environment is fun and all but JEEZ

    Eventually, you'll snag something that'll help yah. ;3 Multiple things even!

    I have one of them I think, but boy I hope I get another thing that lets me zip to certain points, that’ll really help with secret clean up once I have like, all the movement options and stuff

    Oh yeah there’s also like eight different content packs they added afterward too? I don’t know how big all those are or how much I’ve even done already but this game feels BIG

    its a REAL big game

    and it doesn't do much to guide you, so if you find yourself getting frustrated or wanting to quit, try checking out a walkthrough

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  • BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    edited September 2019
  • Indie WinterIndie Winter die Krähe Rudi Hurzlmeier (German, b. 1952)Registered User regular
    that's 8.3 million pounds, not dollars

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  • ZandraconZandracon Registered User regular
    edited September 2019
    tried arkham knight since it was free on egs and it's just immensely frustrating before i even get into playing the game

    why are you switching into japanese when i set it to english in the egs launcher

    i even tried straight up deleting the japanese loc files and it still defaults to japanese in cutscenes

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  • GvzbgulGvzbgul Registered User regular
    8.3 million pounds is about 10 million USD. So even more copies. 166,666

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Well at least you don't have to suffer through the batmobile sections

    (arkham knight was kinda notoriously buggy, the fact you're having problems isn't that shocking)

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  • OlivawOlivaw good name, isn't it? the foot of mt fujiRegistered User regular
    edited September 2019
    Zandracon wrote: »
    tried arkham knight since it was free on egs and it's just immensely frustrating before i even get into playing the game

    why are you switching into japanese when i set it to english in the egs launcher

    i even tried straight up deleting the japanese loc files and it still defaults to japanese in cutscenes

    See personally I only read Batman comics in the original Japanese tankobon format so that sounds fine to me

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  • el_vicioel_vicio Registered User regular
    I have to say, that is less money than I expected for a full year exclusivity

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  • PeewiPeewi Registered User regular
    Zandracon wrote: »
    tried arkham knight since it was free on egs and it's just immensely frustrating before i even get into playing the game

    why are you switching into japanese when i set it to english in the egs launcher

    i even tried straight up deleting the japanese loc files and it still defaults to japanese in cutscenes

    Are you running Windows in Japanese? Many games base their default on the OS language.

    You should be able to just change the language in the in-game settings menu. Of course that might be difficult if it decided on Japanese at random and you can't read it.

    A similar thing I've run into is that Windows store apps decide on language not based on your Windows display language, but your region. So if I open the fucking Windows calculator it's in Danish even though the rest of Windows is in English.

  • ZandraconZandracon Registered User regular
    edited September 2019
    Peewi wrote: »
    Zandracon wrote: »
    tried arkham knight since it was free on egs and it's just immensely frustrating before i even get into playing the game

    why are you switching into japanese when i set it to english in the egs launcher

    i even tried straight up deleting the japanese loc files and it still defaults to japanese in cutscenes

    Are you running Windows in Japanese? Many games base their default on the OS language.

    You should be able to just change the language in the in-game settings menu. Of course that might be difficult if it decided on Japanese at random and you can't read it.

    A similar thing I've run into is that Windows store apps decide on language not based on your Windows display language, but your region. So if I open the fucking Windows calculator it's in Danish even though the rest of Windows is in English.

    yeah, changed to japanese locale forever ago to deal with old ass VNs

    there's no actual language options in game, though i see references to a launcher that apparently had them while googling, but that isn't in epic's version

    e: okay, apparently changing my region format back to US worked for some reason, even though my location was already set to the US

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  • BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    Brolo wrote: »



    damn that's actually a really good deal given the budget

    like substantially lowers your risk on development

    i wonder if whatever sales you missed because of the EGS 1-year exclusive will be recouped the year after
    like you do another marketing push and launch your game on steam in 2020 with a "complete" edition, DLC is rolled in

    do you still get your big week 1 steam launch numbers?

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  • Indie WinterIndie Winter die Krähe Rudi Hurzlmeier (German, b. 1952)Registered User regular
    edited September 2019
    what's crazy to me is that Epic has that kind of money to throw around

    Yes yes I know Fortnite is a huge popular product, but still. Think about how many exclusives they got

    You think all that money is actual liquid assets from their warchest or loans they are given by banks or investors based on the perception of their success

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Its not just Fortnite, they also have that Unreal Engine money

    I 100% buy them having a huge amount of assets to dip into

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  • SanderJKSanderJK Crocodylus Pontifex Sinterklasicus Madrid, 3000 ADRegistered User regular
    Control may have been the biggest deal after BL3 though.

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  • JayKaosJayKaos Registered User regular
    Yeah epic was a big deal even before Fortnite that just took them from heavy player to 'all the money'

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  • HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    Zandracon wrote: »
    tried arkham knight since it was free on egs and it's just immensely frustrating before i even get into playing the game

    why are you switching into japanese when i set it to english in the egs launcher

    i even tried straight up deleting the japanese loc files and it still defaults to japanese in cutscenes

    Posts like this make me glad I played it on PS4.

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    I still blows my mind that a game which had a travel system as fun and as fast as the grapple + glide process decided to make a clunky vehicle absolutely core to its game.

    You basically never wanted to use the bat mobile, but there were plenty of times where you absolutely had to.

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  • DirtyboyDirtyboy Registered User regular
    Still waiting to see what happens when Epic stops buying exclusives and games launch same day on Steam. With their lower cut and money going out that store has to be running at a huge loss. There's several indie games on EGS that have never publicly said anything about how well their sales numbers were. Also what happens once there are hundreds of games on EGS and the visibility drops like on Steam?

    Pitchford said BL3 was double the peak concurrent of BL2 on PC at launch and based on a tweet by ZhugeEx (analyst) is about 250k. So if 1 in 4 owners were concurrent (which seems usual during launches based on when Steam Spy was still active) they sold 1 mil copies at let's say $60 average (special editions cost more and then sites like GMG had discounts) it's $60 mil minus 7% cut (Epic normally takes 12% but using Unreal Engine gains another 5% cut) is $4.2 mil. With the overhead costs (and customer support) I don't see how the store will be profitable without Fortnite/Unreal money.

  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited September 2019
    There isn't a ton of info on the costs of running those online launchers with the services they provide.

    The most I can remember is that PSN multiplayer went to a monthly subscription with the PS4 because of the costs not making it profitable enough.

    There is also whatever the heck Nintendo is doing with its online service pricing.

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  • DirtyboyDirtyboy Registered User regular
    Their CS department has to be huge with Unreal/Fortnite/EGS. Haven't seen anywhere if they outsource but that is a huge expense. Blizzard automated most of their CS functions and laid off a ton of staff trying to save money on it.

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