Not Messiah Complex-related but it is X-Men and Bishop related....Does anyone else remember when X-Men Reload hit and all the X-Men started wearing individual costumes instead of team uniforms again (which was a shame because the X-Treme X-Men's team uniforms ROCKED)...Well around that time both Cannonball and Bishop's new costumes were TERRIBLE but it must have been a consensus even at Marvel because Cannonball only wore his new costume ONCE (the red high collar body suit) and Bishop wore his for just a few months (HE HAD A KERCHIEF!!) Thought that was funny.
That infant is the first mutant born since M-Day. We arent sure why Bishop wants to kill it yet, since his status as traitor was a last page reveal on the previous issue. Cable, The Marauders, The X-Men, and The Pureifiers have all been waging war against eachother for possession of the kid. (And apparently Bishop too)
We still don't know much about the baby yet other than it's a girl, it's extremely powerful, and that Cable (and Bishop apparently) have future-related knowledge of it.
So wasn't there a "Bishop" in the 90s x-men cartoon? Wasn't he white? I don't read x-men (other than Astonishing) but I find this event interesting and know most of the characters when people talk about them but I always thought Bishop was a white dude.
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So wasn't there a "Bishop" in the 90s x-men cartoon? Wasn't he white? I don't read x-men (other than Astonishing) but I find this event interesting and know most of the characters when people talk about them but I always thought Bishop was a white dude.
Were you huffing paint in the 90s? Maybe you're confusing him with Cable.
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So wasn't there a "Bishop" in the 90s x-men cartoon? Wasn't he white? I don't read x-men (other than Astonishing) but I find this event interesting and know most of the characters when people talk about them but I always thought Bishop was a white dude.
So wasn't there a "Bishop" in the 90s x-men cartoon? Wasn't he white? I don't read x-men (other than Astonishing) but I find this event interesting and know most of the characters when people talk about them but I always thought Bishop was a white dude.
Were you huffing paint in the 90s? Maybe you're confusing him with Cable.
I must have been. I just looked up a screen shot from the cartoon and "yup, he's black"
Bishop is a mutant from a dystopian future where mutants are interred in camps and opressed and yaddah yaddah yaddah.
When he first showed up back in the 90s he said the reason the future was the way it was is because someone on the X-Men betrayed the rest of the team and murdered them. He always suspected the traitor was Gambit, but during the whole Onslaught thing it was revealed that the traitor was actually Prof X. (who was Onslaught) and Bishop saved the X-Men thereby supposedly preventing his timeline from happening.
I guess that may not be entirely true though since the future that Layla and Madrox were sent to is clearly the future Bishop is from.
Bishop is a mutant from a dystopian future where mutants are interred in camps and opressed and yaddah yaddah yaddah.
When he first showed up back in the 90s he said the reason the future was the way it was is because someone on the X-Men betrayed the rest of the team and murdered them. He always suspected the traitor was Gambit, but during the whole Onslaught thing it was revealed that the traitor was actually Prof X. (who was Onslaught) and Bishop saved the X-Men thereby supposedly preventing his timeline from happening.
I guess that may not be entirely true though since the future that Layla and Madrox were sent to is clearly the future Bishop is from.
And he's always been black
Well, the nature of time's flexibility varies a lot in any comic, but I believe part of the current understanding is small changes in the past are like small stones in a large river, i.e. they don't change the overall shape of the river but rather just the small-scale flow of the water. Moreover, the are macroscopic forces acting on the river that control its shape, not just the internal behavior of the riverbed.
So, Bishop may have prevented the original act that led to his future - the Onslaught genocide - but the river has still found its way back to that shape, just with different particular stones in the path.
This new future is structurally similar to Bishop's original future, but has small-scale differences. We don't know what they are yet.
So this isn't Bishop's future, just something very similar. This may relate to his flip-out: maybe he's having a stress-reaction to finding out about it, etc.
I keep forgetting why the Purifiers aren't in the superjail yet.
I was under the impression that they're like Scientologists, where you can't really arrest ALL of them because it's a big goddamn cult.
Uh, the whole point is that Bishop tried to kill Gambit the first time he saw him and accused him of murdering the X-Men and never really let up on him until around Onslaught. I'm pretty sure its just meant as a dig at Bishop for all that shit when he first arrived.
Yeah but my point is it's funny that Gambit's getting on someones case for betraying his friends.
Gambit.
The guy who is now AGAINST the X-Men.
For like the third time, or something.
This new future is structurally similar to Bishop's original future, but has small-scale differences. We don't know what they are yet.
So this isn't Bishop's future, just something very similar. This may relate to his flip-out: maybe he's having a stress-reaction to finding out about it, etc.
But how would he know? For all he knows, stopping Onslaught already stopped his timeline from coming into being.
BTW, one of those small changes is the lack of XSE--of which Bishop was a member. Then again, I thought he was from a future before the 80-years hence future Madrox and Layla are in (I'm thinking 50 years or something).
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If there's one thing X-Men needs more of it's time travel.
I like X-Men time travel stories and x-men space stories
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Man, what were they thinking when they came up with Bishop? It's like: hey, we've already got one extreme dude from and extreme dystopian future who's a mysterious anti-hero who shoots dudes with his giant gun. Let's make another one!
But I actually kinda like Bishop because he actually told people what was up and where he was from. Instead of Cable being mysterious about it when it was oh so painfully obvious he was Nathan Summers. Like during the whole X-Tinction agenda. No one ever came out and said: okay, what the fuck Stryfe and Cable? We get the idea. WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU PEOPLE WANT.
Oh, and by the way I think Portico originally wanted Bishop to be Filipino but it didn't really take so he's just black now.
I really haven't liked anything Bishop has done since District X. He's been such a huge dickhole to the rest of the X-Men in regard to Decimation and Civil War that I had already written him off as a traitor.
Man, what were they thinking when they came up with Bishop? It's like: hey, we've already got one extreme dude from and extreme dystopian future who's a mysterious anti-hero who shoots dudes with his giant gun. Let's make another one!
But I actually kinda like Bishop because he actually told people what was up and where he was from. Instead of Cable being mysterious about it when it was oh so painfully obvious he was Nathan Summers. Like during the whole X-Tinction agenda. No one ever came out and said: okay, what the fuck Stryfe and Cable? We get the idea. WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU PEOPLE WANT.
Oh, and by the way I think Portico originally wanted Bishop to be Filipino but it didn't really take so he's just black now.
He's at least partly Australian aborigine (Gateway is his grandfather).
Also, in Marvel, time travel works in that if you change the past, all you do is create another alternate timeline. Bishop caused 616 to have a timeline different to his own, but his own timeline does still exist somewhere out there. I don't think Layla and Madrox are in it though, since there's no indications something like the XSE could exist there. But it is certainly similar, and might somehow be tied to Bishop's motives.
That Gateway/Bishop connection has never really been mentioned after it was first brought out, I think. Possibly because it was fucking pointless in the first place and seemed to exist for no reason other than someone at Marvel thinking that if these two guys are black they must be related.
Bishop has had his moments, most notably when a writer junks all of the future time-travel stuff and just settles on him being a cop of some kind. District X and the Murder at the Mansion storyline are probably his finest hours. But generally he's a problematic character, because he was sent from a future that has been utterly averted. And so what the fuck do you do now Bish? Cable might have had the same problem, but he's got family connections and Niceiza managed to give him an intelligent agenda (Providence, Rumekistan) so that he at least had a purpose. Bishop has been reduced to being the liason between the X-Men and ONE.
Well, I like to think that he could have been integral to some espionage storyline between SHIELD, O*N*E, SWORD, et-effing-cetera. However, these things seem to actually be on the level (which may just be my ignorance showing).
I mean, would it really be that hard or surprising to see a version of Sleeper starring Bishop?
I just want to state that the episode days of future past from the old animated x-men series was badass.
What would be better than bishop taking on the ex men to stop a distopian future? Why watching the same events happen again (now with 30% new footage) with Cable coming back to stop bishop. Why? Because bishop succeeded and fucked up Cables future even worse than it already was. Its like a giant, climactic, dickwaving contest over whos from the worse hell.
That Gateway/Bishop connection has never really been mentioned after it was first brought out, I think. Possibly because it was fucking pointless in the first place and seemed to exist for no reason other than someone at Marvel thinking that if these two guys are black they must be related.
Bishop has had his moments, most notably when a writer junks all of the future time-travel stuff and just settles on him being a cop of some kind. District X and the Murder at the Mansion storyline are probably his finest hours. But generally he's a problematic character, because he was sent from a future that has been utterly averted. And so what the fuck do you do now Bish? Cable might have had the same problem, but he's got family connections and Niceiza managed to give him an intelligent agenda (Providence, Rumekistan) so that he at least had a purpose. Bishop has been reduced to being the liason between the X-Men and ONE.
I actually like when Bishop had his own title, if any one remembers it. It was called Bishop The Last X-Man, I though it was a natural progression to his own story, getting sent to a very distant future were there X-Men are far forgotten legends still remembered by few.
I hate the fact they brought him back to present time for Apocalypses rise in "The 12" story line.
I just want to state that the episode days of future past from the old animated x-men series was badass.
What would be better than bishop taking on the ex men to stop a distopian future? Why watching the same events happen again (now with 30% new footage) with Cable coming back to stop bishop. Why? Because bishop succeeded and fucked up Cables future even worse than it already was. Its like a giant, climactic, dickwaving contest over whos from the worse hell.
That is all.
I'll say this about the X-Men cartoon: it managed to make a reasonable amount of sense out of the Bishop and Cable time-travel stuff. And a Cable who wasn't Techno Jesus was also nice.
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I never really liked the "everything is mysterious and makes little sense until we explain it in the last issue" format.
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although he still had the goatee then
That infant is the first mutant born since M-Day. We arent sure why Bishop wants to kill it yet, since his status as traitor was a last page reveal on the previous issue. Cable, The Marauders, The X-Men, and The Pureifiers have all been waging war against eachother for possession of the kid. (And apparently Bishop too)
We still don't know much about the baby yet other than it's a girl, it's extremely powerful, and that Cable (and Bishop apparently) have future-related knowledge of it.
Earlier than that. I'm pretty sure it was soon after the AOA story line when the folks at Marvel realized how ridiculous his giant mullet looked.
Like Bishop has been a huge dick to the rest of the X-Men in the last few years. See: Decimation, Civil War, and even further back.
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Ah. I see. Cool.
(CD hadn't read X-Men since X-Men #9 until Endangered Species)
LOL
I spit water on my keyboard at work. thanks a pant load.
"In his defense, that baby was being kind of a dick."
"Yeah, I don't know what that baby's problem was."
Were you huffing paint in the 90s? Maybe you're confusing him with Cable.
I must have been. I just looked up a screen shot from the cartoon and "yup, he's black"
When he first showed up back in the 90s he said the reason the future was the way it was is because someone on the X-Men betrayed the rest of the team and murdered them. He always suspected the traitor was Gambit, but during the whole Onslaught thing it was revealed that the traitor was actually Prof X. (who was Onslaught) and Bishop saved the X-Men thereby supposedly preventing his timeline from happening.
I guess that may not be entirely true though since the future that Layla and Madrox were sent to is clearly the future Bishop is from.
And he's always been black
Well, the nature of time's flexibility varies a lot in any comic, but I believe part of the current understanding is small changes in the past are like small stones in a large river, i.e. they don't change the overall shape of the river but rather just the small-scale flow of the water. Moreover, the are macroscopic forces acting on the river that control its shape, not just the internal behavior of the riverbed.
So, Bishop may have prevented the original act that led to his future - the Onslaught genocide - but the river has still found its way back to that shape, just with different particular stones in the path.
This new future is structurally similar to Bishop's original future, but has small-scale differences. We don't know what they are yet.
So this isn't Bishop's future, just something very similar. This may relate to his flip-out: maybe he's having a stress-reaction to finding out about it, etc.
I was under the impression that they're like Scientologists, where you can't really arrest ALL of them because it's a big goddamn cult.
Yeah but my point is it's funny that Gambit's getting on someones case for betraying his friends.
Gambit.
The guy who is now AGAINST the X-Men.
For like the third time, or something.
But how would he know? For all he knows, stopping Onslaught already stopped his timeline from coming into being.
BTW, one of those small changes is the lack of XSE--of which Bishop was a member. Then again, I thought he was from a future before the 80-years hence future Madrox and Layla are in (I'm thinking 50 years or something).
Wow.
That makes it even MORE hilarious.
But I actually kinda like Bishop because he actually told people what was up and where he was from. Instead of Cable being mysterious about it when it was oh so painfully obvious he was Nathan Summers. Like during the whole X-Tinction agenda. No one ever came out and said: okay, what the fuck Stryfe and Cable? We get the idea. WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU PEOPLE WANT.
Oh, and by the way I think Portico originally wanted Bishop to be Filipino but it didn't really take so he's just black now.
So do I. I was joking.
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He's at least partly Australian aborigine (Gateway is his grandfather).
Also, in Marvel, time travel works in that if you change the past, all you do is create another alternate timeline. Bishop caused 616 to have a timeline different to his own, but his own timeline does still exist somewhere out there. I don't think Layla and Madrox are in it though, since there's no indications something like the XSE could exist there. But it is certainly similar, and might somehow be tied to Bishop's motives.
Bishop has had his moments, most notably when a writer junks all of the future time-travel stuff and just settles on him being a cop of some kind. District X and the Murder at the Mansion storyline are probably his finest hours. But generally he's a problematic character, because he was sent from a future that has been utterly averted. And so what the fuck do you do now Bish? Cable might have had the same problem, but he's got family connections and Niceiza managed to give him an intelligent agenda (Providence, Rumekistan) so that he at least had a purpose. Bishop has been reduced to being the liason between the X-Men and ONE.
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I mean, would it really be that hard or surprising to see a version of Sleeper starring Bishop?
There's an ampersand and a Deadpool up for grabs.
What would be better than bishop taking on the ex men to stop a distopian future? Why watching the same events happen again (now with 30% new footage) with Cable coming back to stop bishop. Why? Because bishop succeeded and fucked up Cables future even worse than it already was. Its like a giant, climactic, dickwaving contest over whos from the worse hell.
That is all.
Neither was Danny Rand for years, nor Moon Knight.
Neither was Holden Carver come to think of it, and they still put out 24 issues of Sleeper.
I actually like when Bishop had his own title, if any one remembers it. It was called Bishop The Last X-Man, I though it was a natural progression to his own story, getting sent to a very distant future were there X-Men are far forgotten legends still remembered by few.
I hate the fact they brought him back to present time for Apocalypses rise in "The 12" story line.
I'll say this about the X-Men cartoon: it managed to make a reasonable amount of sense out of the Bishop and Cable time-travel stuff. And a Cable who wasn't Techno Jesus was also nice.