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[US Foreign Policy] Iran Response: Missile strikes US Al-Assad, Kirbil base in Iraq pg 90

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  • MillMill Registered User regular
    Send lower level people.

    In a just world, this shit wouldn't be happening, but that's sadly not the case. I mean, I expect Trump to be fucking stupid and insane. I also expect the leadership of the Quds force to be self-aware enough to realize that right now isn't the best time to be sending your people about. Also it speaks volumes of how fucked things are outside the US as well. My understanding is that Quds is essentially a more militarized version of the CIA. They shouldn't really be the go to option for diplomacy; especially, people at the highest level.

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  • LanzLanz Registered User regular


    Dartmouth Professor

    Lindsey Graham is a US senator stoking very dangerous fires

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  • davidsdurionsdavidsdurions Your Trusty Meatshield Panhandle NebraskaRegistered User regular


    Robert Evans and Jim Sciutto are journalists of varying degrees

    :bigfrown:

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  • RingoRingo He/Him Bury me at Lone Tree DenRegistered User regular
    Dark_Side wrote: »
    Ringo wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    I'm hoping internal polling is abysmal and has only gotten worse. But knowing america its probably the opposite.

    Polling can be miles underwater and it won't matter until conservative voters actually vote out Republicans

    Just because your nephew is about to get shipped off to fight in the middle east doesn't mean you're going to change your voting priorities

    I don't know, I suspect there's a good many trolls reevaluating just how funny this triggering the libs joke is tonight. There doesn't seem to be any US taste for another war in the Middle East, and Trump has made no case for it either. I legit expect him to crater, but it's probably more like yet another small drop.

    I'm not so sure. Since the end of the Vietnam war and the end of the draft there are more and more people who have zero connection to anyone involved with the US armed forces. I feel like they just wouldn't give a shit.

    At least until something happens on US soil

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  • Desktop HippieDesktop Hippie Registered User regular
    edited January 2020
    Iran’s foreign minister has released a statement.

    Iran took & concluded proportionate measures in self-defense under Article 51 of UN Charter targeting base from which cowardly armed attack against our citizens & senior officials were launched.

    We do not seek escalation or war, but will defend ourselves against any aggression.

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  • LanzLanz Registered User regular
    edited January 2020



    Lindsey Graham is a goddamn warmonger





    And there is Cruz putting the thought of Nuclear attack in Trump’s head


    Same source as before

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  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    Lanz wrote: »


    Dartmouth Professor

    Lindsey Graham is a US senator stoking very dangerous fires

    This is dumb
    Iran’s foreign minister has released a statement.

    Iran took & concluded proportionate measures in self-defense under Article 51 of UN Charter targeting base from which cowardly armed attack against our citizens & senior officials were launched.

    We do not seek escalation or war, but will defend ourselves against any aggression.

    This is a good sign

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  • BurnageBurnage Registered User regular
    Thanks 2020, Sean fucking Hannity is going to cause America to go to war.

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  • Dark_SideDark_Side Registered User regular
    ....shut the fuck up Lindsey.

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  • LanzLanz Registered User regular
    edited January 2020


    Marco Rubio has said really stupid shit but he at least seems to vaguely recognize the abyss ahead and wants to avoid it

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  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    edited January 2020
    Lindsey is just a “literal nazi” who wants to “kill all the Iranians“

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    This will cross 100 after I go to sleep, so new thread.

    https://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/233172/us-foreign-policy-the-rockets-red-glare/p1?new=1

    I better not wake up to a new war.

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  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    edited January 2020
    Yeah.. Iran is doing everything to play by the rules and look like the good guys. Which in this case I believe they are. It is a tragedy that there are casualties despite the warnings though.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    Lanz wrote: »



    Lindsey Graham is a goddamn warmonger





    And there is Cruz putting the thought of Nuclear attack in Trump’s head


    Same source as before

    So Cruz is literally repeating the argument for invading Iraq. Sigh.

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  • ProhassProhass Registered User regular
    By all means Lindsey strap on some Kevlar, grab a gun and head over there yourself you cowardly selfish soulless monster

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  • LanzLanz Registered User regular


    Hannity seems to be pushing for "limited Strikes" to Trump.

    So I guess that's where the GOP and Unofficial Advisor are weighing in

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  • BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    Mill wrote: »
    Send lower level people.

    In a just world, this shit wouldn't be happening, but that's sadly not the case. I mean, I expect Trump to be fucking stupid and insane. I also expect the leadership of the Quds force to be self-aware enough to realize that right now isn't the best time to be sending your people about. Also it speaks volumes of how fucked things are outside the US as well. My understanding is that Quds is essentially a more militarized version of the CIA. They shouldn't really be the go to option for diplomacy; especially, people at the highest level.

    Leftist Americans expect trump to be fucking stupid and insane.

    World leaders do not, and until this month, should not have expected the USA to be this stupid and insane

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  • Duke 2.0Duke 2.0 Time Trash Cat Registered User regular
    This Hannity program started with him reporting that six B-52s were on their way to the region

    an aircraft that would never be sent into contested airspace for being big and slow, but one of a few recognizable by his audience

    like his usual content, it's paper thin propaganda to make the current leadership seem strong

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  • Desktop HippieDesktop Hippie Registered User regular
    Since we were all trying to figure out in the last thread why Iran said their third wave would include Dubai, I’ve just remembered Trump has a massive hotel and golf course there. The Palm.


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  • BurnageBurnage Registered User regular
    Burtletoy wrote: »
    Mill wrote: »
    Send lower level people.

    In a just world, this shit wouldn't be happening, but that's sadly not the case. I mean, I expect Trump to be fucking stupid and insane. I also expect the leadership of the Quds force to be self-aware enough to realize that right now isn't the best time to be sending your people about. Also it speaks volumes of how fucked things are outside the US as well. My understanding is that Quds is essentially a more militarized version of the CIA. They shouldn't really be the go to option for diplomacy; especially, people at the highest level.

    Leftist Americans expect trump to be fucking stupid and insane.

    World leaders do not, and until this month, should not have expected the USA to be this stupid and insane

    World leaders have absolutely expected Trump to be stupid and fickle, it's why so many of them have been able to lead him around and have him eating out of the palm of their hand.

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  • LanzLanz Registered User regular


    Same source

    Also

    please don't let there be US casualties

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    moniker wrote: »
    This will cross 100 after I go to sleep, so new thread.

    https://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/233172/us-foreign-policy-the-rockets-red-glare/p1?new=1

    I better not wake up to a new war.

  • JuggernutJuggernut Registered User regular
    It's been stated that a not insignificant part of Trump's base are spin off isolationist libertarians and full blown white nationalists. Their objective isn't war with another Middle Eastern country it's to make sure none of the brown people from those countries get over here. "If they want to live in squalor and blow each other up" they, say ignoring the centuries of Imperial fuckery that destabilized those regions in the first place "let em. It's not my problem."

    The only military action I could see them being 100% behind is a full blown nuclear genocide. Glass the whole region and be done with it in a day.

    The rest of the country really seems to have no clue why Iran is supposed to be a big boogeyman. With Iraq and Afghanistan there was a direct, physical attack and a visceral response to it. We wanted to go get the bad guys and anybody who helped them and we're pretty ready to believe whatever the government told us in our post 9/11 patriotic euphoria.

    Iran... hasn't really done anything to us? We're not a subtle people so anything short of Pearl Harbor Part 2 nobody really has any reason to want to go to war.

    I just don't see there being any political will to start another war, even amongst the hard core wackadoos of Trump's base.

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  • Desktop HippieDesktop Hippie Registered User regular
    Statement from the President of the United States

    All is well! Missiles launched from Iran at two military bases located in Iraq. Assessment of casualties & damages taking place now. So far, so good! We have the most powerful and well equipped military anywhere in the world, by far! I will be making a statement tomorrow morning.
    Sorry, America. He has his phone.


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  • BurnageBurnage Registered User regular
    "All is well"? What the actual fuck kind of statement is that?

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  • LanzLanz Registered User regular
    Juggernut wrote: »
    It's been stated that a not insignificant part of Trump's base are spin off isolationist libertarians and full blown white nationalists. Their objective isn't war with another Middle Eastern country it's to make sure none of the brown people from those countries get over here. "If they want to live in squalor and blow each other up" they, say ignoring the centuries of Imperial fuckery that destabilized those regions in the first place "let em. It's not my problem."

    The only military action I could see them being 100% behind is a full blown nuclear genocide. Glass the whole region and be done with it in a day.

    The rest of the country really seems to have no clue why Iran is supposed to be a big boogeyman. With Iraq and Afghanistan there was a direct, physical attack and a visceral response to it. We wanted to go get the bad guys and anybody who helped them and we're pretty ready to believe whatever the government told us in our post 9/11 patriotic euphoria.

    Iran... hasn't really done anything to us? We're not a subtle people so anything short of Pearl Harbor Part 2 nobody really has any reason to want to go to war.

    I just don't see there being any political will to start another war, even amongst the hard core wackadoos of Trump's base.

    honestly this is why the air strikes option worries me.


    There is a lot of shit the US military can do with air strikes and missile systems that would never, ever trigger the malaise a ground war engenders in even the "Heck yeah, take the fight to the bastards!"-faction of the populace.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited January 2020
    Statement from the President of the United States

    All is well! Missiles launched from Iran at two military bases located in Iraq. Assessment of casualties & damages taking place now. So far, so good! We have the most powerful and well equipped military anywhere in the world, by far! I will be making a statement tomorrow morning.
    Sorry, America. He has his phone.

    But he seems to think he's won here, which is good because as long as he thinks he's winning he's less likely to start a war over his precious hurt feelings.

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  • doomybeardoomybear Hi People Registered User regular
    Statement from the President of the United States

    All is well! Missiles launched from Iran at two military bases located in Iraq. Assessment of casualties & damages taking place now. So far, so good! We have the most powerful and well equipped military anywhere in the world, by far! I will be making a statement tomorrow morning.
    Sorry, America. He has his phone.

    That seems too coherent to be a Trump Original tweet

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  • LanzLanz Registered User regular
    Burnage wrote: »
    "All is well"? What the actual fuck kind of statement is that?

    We are on the "Enemy is weak and pathetic" tilt of Fascism's eternal paradox of "The enemy is an imminent existential threat/the enemy is weak and pathetic"

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  • MillMill Registered User regular
    Burtletoy wrote: »
    Mill wrote: »
    Send lower level people.

    In a just world, this shit wouldn't be happening, but that's sadly not the case. I mean, I expect Trump to be fucking stupid and insane. I also expect the leadership of the Quds force to be self-aware enough to realize that right now isn't the best time to be sending your people about. Also it speaks volumes of how fucked things are outside the US as well. My understanding is that Quds is essentially a more militarized version of the CIA. They shouldn't really be the go to option for diplomacy; especially, people at the highest level.

    Leftist Americans expect trump to be fucking stupid and insane.

    World leaders do not, and until this month, should not have expected the USA to be this stupid and insane

    Except, said world leaders should have intelligence agencies that would have told them, "I hate to break it to you, but Donald Trump, President of the US, is both really fucking stupid and insane. Like part of the point of having an intelligence agency and a diplomatic agency is so that you have an accurate picture of the world stage. At this point, no one gets to play the card of "we didn't think he was that insane or stupid." It's been three years with the fucker in the white house and it seems like the shit out of there gets more insane by the day.

    If there is one silver lining that might be had out of this. If Trump doesn't escalate things further, that could put more steam into demilitarization because if there is one thing that can be pointed out here. Iran actually is a functional government and has a military and Trump might not have escalated because that military was adequate enough to deter the US. So nukes might not be needed as a deterrent if you have an adequate enough military, that someone decides it just isn't worth their effort to fight you over something petty.

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  • LanzLanz Registered User regular
    edited January 2020

    Same Dartmouth professor who is keeping track of one of Trump's larger media influencers and unofficial advisor

    Who is the Bongino he's citing?


    Also jesus what is wrong with these people

    Note: the question is rhetorical

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  • BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    Burnage wrote: »
    "All is well"? What the actual fuck kind of statement is that?

    Someone slipped a tranquilizer into his vanilla m&m McFlurry

  • JuggernutJuggernut Registered User regular
    I get why, in the grand scheme of things, we need to know what Hannity is saying because he has no small influence of the fucking goddamned president of these united fucking states, but man. Do we really need to know what Hannity is saying?

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  • BurtletoyBurtletoy Registered User regular
    Mill wrote: »
    Send lower level people.

    In a just world, this shit wouldn't be happening, but that's sadly not the case. I mean, I expect Trump to be fucking stupid and insane. I also expect the leadership of the Quds force to be self-aware enough to realize that right now isn't the best time to be sending your people about. Also it speaks volumes of how fucked things are outside the US as well. My understanding is that Quds is essentially a more militarized version of the CIA. They shouldn't really be the go to option for diplomacy; especially, people at the highest level.

    Trump is insane and stupid in that he will cancel a trade deal until you cross off Obama and write Trump.

    Not that he will ask you to a meeting and blow you up.

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  • LanzLanz Registered User regular
    edited January 2020
    Juggernut wrote: »
    I get why, in the grand scheme of things, we need to know what Hannity is saying because he has no small influence of the fucking goddamned president of these united fucking states, but man. Do we really need to know what Hannity is saying?

    Again, not just influence in the sense of "Trump gets all his ideas from Fox News"


    but influence in the sense of "Sean Hannity and Donald Trump regularly talk on the phone where Sean Hannity effectively serves the function of yet another, regular unofficial advisor to the president of the united states of america."


    Sort of like how Ike Perlmutter of Marvel was, along with two other Mar A Lago members, unofficially making VA policy decisions.


    EDIT: Also, you know, the usual high ranking GOP legislative Flaks who run the gamut from "Bad Idea" to "WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU? IRANIAN NAZIS? WHAT"

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  • ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor Registered User regular
    Lanz wrote: »


    Same source

    Also

    please don't let there be US casualties

    Should I infer from this that they know there were no US casualties?

  • ProhassProhass Registered User regular
    Lanz wrote: »

    Same Dartmouth professor who is keeping track of one of Trump's larger media influencers and unofficial advisor

    Who is the Bongino he's citing?


    Also jesus what is wrong with these people

    Note: the question is rhetorical

    Everyone is seeking nuclear bombs now, they were always seeking a bomb. The Obama deal was objectively stopping that, at the very least pausing it. These people have no shame. Also North Korea is building more bombs but we aren’t mentioning that around the dear leader are we right wing pundits?

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  • LanzLanz Registered User regular
    Lanz wrote: »


    Same source

    Also

    please don't let there be US casualties

    Should I infer from this that they know there were no US casualties?

    my read on it is still getting reports or potentially members of the US who might be in condition that may change over the course of hours or days

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  • SummaryJudgmentSummaryJudgment Today we will paint a mountain that owes us nothing. Registered User regular
    This whole thing is weird

    I can't help but feel like we aren't going to do shit. The WH doesn't have a presser every time an Iranian-sponsored VBIED or mortaring hits a base (and does more damage). The only difference is this came out of geographic Iran.

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  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    edited January 2020
    Prohass wrote: »
    Lanz wrote: »

    Same Dartmouth professor who is keeping track of one of Trump's larger media influencers and unofficial advisor

    Who is the Bongino he's citing?


    Also jesus what is wrong with these people

    Note: the question is rhetorical

    Everyone is seeking nuclear bombs now, they were always seeking a bomb. The Obama deal was objectively stopping that, at the very least pausing it. These people have no shame. Also North Korea is building more bombs but we aren’t mentioning that around the dear leader are we right wing pundits?

    and this right here is the reason they want and believe they need the Bomb, so people like us won't do shit like this to them.

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