Someone worried about the transcript being doctored. The problem Barr has is that enough people have the real transcript that he would probably be screwed if he tried it.
who?
aside from the IG, the rest are trump cronies or the president of Ukraine
Everyone else eavesdropping on the call.
The other side of the call for sure has it and if it is edited than that just makes it worse because then Trump is even more open to blackmail. I am still curious where this goes with the whistleblower but from the panic coming from trump and co it looks like it must be pretty bad. Also the whistleblower complaint was about a pattern of behavior not just one call.
Too much optimism in this thread. Wild negative prediction time:
- The Ukraine call is a con by republican insiders. They could sense that impeachment talk was starting to turn from impossible to possible. So rather than let it bubble up naturally and be filled with legitimate complaints, they figure, manufacture a huge controversy, something that will dominate all of the attention around the whole event. Then, when all of the impeachment proceedings focus on the manufactured controversy as a central portion of the narrative, the other legitimate issues get pushed aside. So when you ride in with an anti-smoking gun that completely clears trump (of the controversy) you can make the impeachment narrative focus on how Trump was cleared (conveniently forgetting all the other legitimate complaints).
I don't for a second believe this pack of buffoons is capable of putting together something like this, especially given how much Trump involvement it would require.
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Too much optimism in this thread. Wild negative prediction time:
- The Ukraine call is a con by republican insiders. They could sense that impeachment talk was starting to turn from impossible to possible. So rather than let it bubble up naturally and be filled with legitimate complaints, they figure, manufacture a huge controversy, something that will dominate all of the attention around the whole event. Then, when all of the impeachment proceedings focus on the manufactured controversy as a central portion of the narrative, the other legitimate issues get pushed aside. So when you ride in with an anti-smoking gun that completely clears trump (of the controversy) you can make the impeachment narrative focus on how Trump was cleared (conveniently forgetting all the other legitimate complaints).
I don't for a second believe this pack of buffoons is capable of putting together something like this, especially given how much Trump involvement it would require.
Yeah sorry this was all started by a member of the intelligence community filing a whistleblower thing because they were appalled at something Trump said, and then Barr and his cronies attempted to cover this up. Believing this is some kind of long con from the GOP is like qanon crazy.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
I'm not relieved of anything yet, shit is just about to go down. If anything I'm grateful for how utterly incompetent Trump and those around him are. It's amazing he's made it this long thanks to aides and supporters who willingly disobeyed him to save his career. Turns out no matter how many times you pull it out, Trump's foot lives inside his mouth.
It's a very melancholic type of feeling, slight vindication with a side of disbelief and skepticism
What you are hearing is not the roar of the finish line, it's the firing of the starting gun.
You know honestly if that's what woke the media up so fucking be it. If Trump being a blatant moron recently finally got them to go "hey maybe this trump fella lies" fuck it sure here we are.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
I'm trying to watch but the stream seems to be crashing probably from everyone trying to watch along
Short statement, already finished. Formal impeachment investigation, ongoing investigations will continue under the auspices of the impeachment inquiry.
Edit: Apparently I am just late today.
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I'm trying to watch but the stream seems to be crashing probably from everyone trying to watch along
It's over. Impeachment inquiry is officially formally starting.
Did she say that the inquiry is actually starting, or was it a "We're looking into the possibility of maybe considering the potential to start an inquiry... maybe" kinda hogwash?
You know honestly if that's what woke the media up so fucking be it. If Trump being a blatant moron recently finally got them to go "hey maybe this trump fella lies" fuck it sure here we are.
He’s been telling lies just as blatant from the beginning. Remember the crowd sizes?
It’s just the proximity in time. If the map was even just a few more weeks ago it would have been forgotten and the media would have moved on to whatever Trump would have done in the interim, probably getting his dick stuck in a zipper on TV or something.
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I'm trying to watch but the stream seems to be crashing probably from everyone trying to watch along
It's over. Impeachment inquiry is officially formally starting.
Did she say that the inquiry is actually starting, or was it a "We're looking into the possibility of maybe considering the potential to start an inquiry... maybe" kinda hogwash?
Nope, it's an inquiry.
The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
For Pelosi, the language seemed pretty definitive that it's actually an inquiry. She directed 6 House Committees to continue their investigations pursuant to rendering articles of impeachment.
I'm trying to watch but the stream seems to be crashing probably from everyone trying to watch along
It's over. Impeachment inquiry is officially formally starting.
Did she say that the inquiry is actually starting, or was it a "We're looking into the possibility of maybe considering the potential to start an inquiry... maybe" kinda hogwash?
She told the chairs to prepare their impeachment charges for submittal. It's happening.
I don't think this is what woke up Jake Tapper to the fact that Trump lies, it's just the most recent example that's the most salient for his audience and helps him drive home the point.
We joke about it because it's true: There's been so much shit we don't even remember half of it anymore.
I'm trying to watch but the stream seems to be crashing probably from everyone trying to watch along
It's over. Impeachment inquiry is officially formally starting.
Did she say that the inquiry is actually starting, or was it a "We're looking into the possibility of maybe considering the potential to start an inquiry... maybe" kinda hogwash?
Nope, it's an inquiry.
An impeachment inquiry is the first step for impeachment. This is where all the info comes in in theory unlocks more potent abilities to acquire information. They were half doing it pussy footing around but that made them a bit legally vulnerable. They are all on the same page now though so that makes court cases a lot easier to push through.
If you're scared about repercussions, there's a quote from Ulysses Grant that I've been thinking about today:
"Oh, I am heartily tired of hearing about what Lee is going to do. Some of you always seem to think he is suddenly going to turn a double somersault, and land in our rear and on both of our flanks at the same time. Go back to your command, and try to think what we are going to do ourselves, instead of what Lee is going to do."
The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
How long does an impeachment inquiry generally take? Obviously there's probably a +/- there but, you know, when it came to Nixon or Clinton, comparatively?
I'm trying to watch but the stream seems to be crashing probably from everyone trying to watch along
It's over. Impeachment inquiry is officially formally starting.
Did she say that the inquiry is actually starting, or was it a "We're looking into the possibility of maybe considering the potential to start an inquiry... maybe" kinda hogwash?
Nope, it's an inquiry.
I won't get my hopes up, but that's at least a decisive step in the right direction!
I’m actually nervous about what might happen if Trump gets out of office.
Trump's going to whip his more vicious supporters up to 11 regardless. The only difference is if he's doing it and able to direct the YS government to help or if Mike "Captain Theocracy" Pence is President and Trump is holding rallies for 2020 between trial appearances.
Trump is throwing the most epic shitfit to end all shitfits on Twitter right now
It's... something to behold
Consciousness of guilt.
But yeah, he definitely wants to be impeached.
The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
Nate has had the stupidest, punditiest takes on impeachment for two years now.
The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
Crossing the Rubicon indeed. The die is cast. Let's hope Trump's political fate mirrors that of Caesar.
Become dictator for life, assassinated, and have his adopted heir become absolute ruler after a bloody civil war? I don't think you thought this through.
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The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
I’m actually nervous about what might happen if Trump gets out of office.
Hopefully?
He and his co-conspirators go to prison and the country begins to heal.
Haha, nope. It will leave a void that the radicalized Right will be looking to fill. I shudder at the idea of someone as sinister as Trump, but actually competent.
Also, impeachment doesn’t mean Trump is killed off, he will still exist in the world and can inflict harm.
Crossing the Rubicon indeed. The die is cast. Let's hope Trump's political fate mirrors that of Caesar.
Become dictator for life, assassinated, and have his adopted heir become absolute ruler after a bloody civil war? I don't think you thought this through.
Well, it'll at least make a good Shakespearean tragedy...
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well, tue to my prediction, some of the tension i've been holding onto let itself go and I started to cry.
I know that this is just the start, and ti's going to be hellish from here on but
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The other side of the call for sure has it and if it is edited than that just makes it worse because then Trump is even more open to blackmail. I am still curious where this goes with the whistleblower but from the panic coming from trump and co it looks like it must be pretty bad. Also the whistleblower complaint was about a pattern of behavior not just one call.
And why not?
Because of his fucking hurricane map.
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Yeah sorry this was all started by a member of the intelligence community filing a whistleblower thing because they were appalled at something Trump said, and then Barr and his cronies attempted to cover this up. Believing this is some kind of long con from the GOP is like qanon crazy.
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Why do I feel like that's a quote from WWI?
You know honestly if that's what woke the media up so fucking be it. If Trump being a blatant moron recently finally got them to go "hey maybe this trump fella lies" fuck it sure here we are.
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I'm trying to watch but the stream seems to be crashing probably from everyone trying to watch along
It's over. Impeachment inquiry is officially formally starting.
Short statement, already finished. Formal impeachment investigation, ongoing investigations will continue under the auspices of the impeachment inquiry.
Edit: Apparently I am just late today.
Did she say that the inquiry is actually starting, or was it a "We're looking into the possibility of maybe considering the potential to start an inquiry... maybe" kinda hogwash?
He’s been telling lies just as blatant from the beginning. Remember the crowd sizes?
It’s just the proximity in time. If the map was even just a few more weeks ago it would have been forgotten and the media would have moved on to whatever Trump would have done in the interim, probably getting his dick stuck in a zipper on TV or something.
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Nope, it's an inquiry.
It's officially official. I'll add a transcript and C-SPAN link after I get home from work
The real race begins now.
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She told the chairs to prepare their impeachment charges for submittal. It's happening.
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We joke about it because it's true: There's been so much shit we don't even remember half of it anymore.
An impeachment inquiry is the first step for impeachment. This is where all the info comes in in theory unlocks more potent abilities to acquire information. They were half doing it pussy footing around but that made them a bit legally vulnerable. They are all on the same page now though so that makes court cases a lot easier to push through.
Hopefully?
He and his co-conspirators go to prison and the country begins to heal.
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Glad to see my patience and trust paid off.
Given how spineless and sackless Pence is, I'm quite optimistic. Plus he has the personality of a wet paper bag.
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We probably could have done this day 2 but it's probably good we got here finally. Wasn't quite sure we were gonna make it here.
I won't get my hopes up, but that's at least a decisive step in the right direction!
It's... something to behold
Trump's going to whip his more vicious supporters up to 11 regardless. The only difference is if he's doing it and able to direct the YS government to help or if Mike "Captain Theocracy" Pence is President and Trump is holding rallies for 2020 between trial appearances.
Consciousness of guilt.
But yeah, he definitely wants to be impeached.
Nate has had the stupidest, punditiest takes on impeachment for two years now.
Edit:
the dangers of referencing without thinking it through
Law and Order ≠ Justice
Become dictator for life, assassinated, and have his adopted heir become absolute ruler after a bloody civil war? I don't think you thought this through.
Haha, nope. It will leave a void that the radicalized Right will be looking to fill. I shudder at the idea of someone as sinister as Trump, but actually competent.
Also, impeachment doesn’t mean Trump is killed off, he will still exist in the world and can inflict harm.
Well, it'll at least make a good Shakespearean tragedy...
I know that this is just the start, and ti's going to be hellish from here on but
at least there's something happening.
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