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[Formula One & motorsport] Round 17, Japan: Make it Suntory Time

JazzJazz irregularUn-UKRegistered User regular
edited October 3 in Debate and/or Discourse
Welcome one, welcome all, to a thread for discussion of Formula One, past, present and future. (And feel free to discuss other motorsport as well, should you feel like it - any is welcome!) If you're joining us for the first time, please say hi! We don't bite. :)

Old thread is here: https://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/197720/formula-one-motorsport-round-16-russia-in-soviet-russia-v12-drives-you#latest

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Who are the teams and drivers, and where will they be racing?

The 2019 teams and their starting line-up of drivers are:
  • Alfa Romeo - Kimi Raikkonen (Finland), Antonio Giovinazzi (Italy)
  • Ferrari - Sebastian Vettel (Germany), Charles Leclerc (Monaco)
  • Haas - Romain Grosjean (France), Kevin Magnussen (Denmark)
  • McLaren - Lando Norris (United Kingdom), Carlos Sainz Jr (Spain)
  • Mercedes - Lewis Hamilton (United Kingdom), Valtteri Bottas (Finland)
  • Racing Point - Sergio Perez (Mexico), Lance Stroll (Canada)
  • Red Bull - Pierre Gasly (France), Max Verstappen (Netherlands)
  • Renault - Daniel Ricciardo (Australia), Nico Hulkenberg (Germany)
  • Toro Rosso - Alexander Albon (Thailand), Daniil Kvyat (Russia)
  • Williams - George Russell (United Kingdom), Robert Kubica (Poland)

Two teams have changed their names from last year; Sauber is now Alfa Romeo, and Force India has become Racing Point.

New drivers this year include former F3 champion Lando Norris (who insists his name has nothing to do with Star Wars) at McLaren, reigning F2 champion George Russell at Williams, and F2 driver Alexander Albon at Toro Rosso. Daniil Kvyat returns to Toro Rosso for his third stint with the team after a year as development driver for Ferrari, and Antonio Giovinazzi gains a full race seat after two years as test driver for Haas and Sauber, for whom he also competed in two races in 2017. Following successful test drives for Williams in 2018, Robert Kubica makes his welcome return to F1 for his first full season since 2010, following his near-fatal rally crash in early 2011.

Other changes this year include Kimi Raikkonen and Charles Leclerc swapping places between Ferrari and Sauber/Alfa Romeo, Carlos Sainz moving from Renault to McLaren, Daniel Ricciardo moving from Red Bull to Renault, Lance Stroll moving from Williams to Racing Point, and Pierre Gasly moving from Toro Rosso to Red Bull.


The 2019 World Championship is taking place over 21 Grand Prix races:
  • Melbourne, Australia - 17 March
  • Sakhir, Bahrain (night race) - 31 March
  • Shanghai, China - 14 April
  • Baku, Azerbaijan (street race) - 28 April
  • Barcelona, Spain - 12 May
  • Monte Carlo, Monaco (street race) - 26 May
  • Montreal, Canada - 9 June
  • Le Castellet, France - 23 June
  • Spielberg, Austria - 30 June
  • Silverstone, Great Britain - 14 July
  • Hockenheim, Germany - 28 July
  • Budapest, Hungary - 4 August
  • Spa-Francorchamps, Belgium - 1 September
  • Monza, Italy - 8 September
  • Marina Bay, Singapore (night/street race) - 22 September
  • Sochi, Russia - 29 September
  • Suzuka, Japan - 13 October
  • Mexico City, Mexico - 27 October
  • Austin, United States - 3 November
  • Interlagos, Brazil - 17 November
  • Yas Marina, Abu Dhabi (evening race) - 1 December

There are no new circuits on the calendar this year, but Mexico and USA have switched places in the order.

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Will there be an F1 2019 video game?

Yes, and it's awesome (as has been the way for a few years now). It offers an expanded career mode, F2 (2018 season; 2019 will be a free update), revamped multiplayer with league support and custom liveries, an expanded garage of classic cars, Senna vs Prost mode and bonuses (as DLC or included in the Legends edition), and more. It's out now on PC, PS4 and Xbox One.




Are there any good movies about F1?

Yes, and there was a flurry of brilliant ones a few years ago. All of these are essential viewing even if you only have a passing interest in F1:

Senna (2010) is a documentary history of arguably the sport's greatest-ever driver, triple world champion Ayrton Senna, who started in F1 in 1984 and died tragically in 1994.
Rush (2013) is a biopic of the rivalry between James Hunt and Niki Lauda in the 1970s, starring Chris Hemsworth and Daniel Brühl as Hunt and Lauda respectively, and culminating in their titanic battle for the 1976 world championship.
Grand Prix: The Killer Years (2011) is a BBC documentary that tells the story of F1 in the 1960s and 70s where mechanical failure, lethal track design, fire and incompetence led to the deaths of many young drivers. Among the interviewees contributing to the film are world champions Jackie Stewart, Emerson Fittipaldi, and John Surtees.
And if you like older movies too:
Grand Prix (1966) is a film that follows several drivers through a fictionalised 1966 season. It stars James Garner and features some astonishing footage captured at the real races, which won it three Oscars.
And outside F1, the fantastic Le Mans (1971) depicts Steve McQueen's character taking part in a fictionalised 1971 Le Mans 24 Hours race, again using some amazing footage captured at the real-life 1970 event. McQueen was an avid racer himself, and the Porsche camera car (which McQueen had previously co-driven to a second place in the 12 Hours of Sebring) was actually a full-fledged entry in the real 1970 race.

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  • davidsdurionsdavidsdurions Your Trusty Meatshield Panhandle NebraskaRegistered User regular
    Senna is on Netflix here so I’m finally checking it out.

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  • JazzJazz irregular Un-UKRegistered User regular
    Senna is on Netflix here so I’m finally checking it out.

    Have tissues ready. Trust me.

  • TheBigEasyTheBigEasy Registered User regular
    edited October 2
    There is the F1 Doku on Netflix for the 2018 season.

    If its not just F1 movies, but motorsport ones - LeMans (the Steve McQueen one from the 70s) and the upcoming Ford vs. Ferrari.

    Also - I was contemplating making this thread and had "Round 17 Suzuka: Make it Suntory Time" as a thread title in mind, but that might be too obscure a reference.

    EDIT: I recently bought both "Grand Prix" and "LeMans" on BluRay. Have yet to watch them, though.

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  • davidsdurionsdavidsdurions Your Trusty Meatshield Panhandle NebraskaRegistered User regular
    Jazz wrote: »
    Senna is on Netflix here so I’m finally checking it out.

    Have tissues ready. Trust me.

    No kidding. Of course knowing how it all ends softens the sting but goodness, the foreshadowing in his interviews certainly raised my blood pressure for two straight hours.

    Excellent program, would recommend.

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  • TheBigEasyTheBigEasy Registered User regular
    Jazz wrote: »
    Senna is on Netflix here so I’m finally checking it out.

    Have tissues ready. Trust me.

    No kidding. Of course knowing how it all ends softens the sting but goodness, the foreshadowing in his interviews certainly raised my blood pressure for two straight hours.

    Excellent program, would recommend.

    Haven't seen the docu yet, but I remember seeing it live back then. Over the rest of the day and night I listened to nearly every news cast on radio every hour for some reason (at least thats what I remember), without really grasping that he was gone.

    I had gotten into F1 in the middle of the '93 season and only heard about how good he was, but hadn't seen any of his legendary races (still haven't, 25 years later).

  • davidsdurionsdavidsdurions Your Trusty Meatshield Panhandle NebraskaRegistered User regular
    TheBigEasy wrote: »
    Jazz wrote: »
    Senna is on Netflix here so I’m finally checking it out.

    Have tissues ready. Trust me.

    No kidding. Of course knowing how it all ends softens the sting but goodness, the foreshadowing in his interviews certainly raised my blood pressure for two straight hours.

    Excellent program, would recommend.

    Haven't seen the docu yet, but I remember seeing it live back then. Over the rest of the day and night I listened to nearly every news cast on radio every hour for some reason (at least thats what I remember), without really grasping that he was gone.

    I had gotten into F1 in the middle of the '93 season and only heard about how good he was, but hadn't seen any of his legendary races (still haven't, 25 years later).

    That’s basically my story too. The documentary is very good with loads of race footage.

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  • DrovekDrovek Registered User regular
    Sadly Netflix removed both Senna and the excellent Rush from my local selection. Still, greatly recommend.

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  • JazzJazz irregular Un-UKRegistered User regular
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    TheBigEasy wrote: »
    There is the F1 Doku on Netflix for the 2018 season.

    If its not just F1 movies, but motorsport ones - LeMans (the Steve McQueen one from the 70s) and the upcoming Ford vs. Ferrari.

    Also - I was contemplating making this thread and had "Round 17 Suzuka: Make it Suntory Time" as a thread title in mind, but that might be too obscure a reference.

    EDIT: I recently bought both "Grand Prix" and "LeMans" on BluRay. Have yet to watch them, though.

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    Done :)

    Also, Le Mans is another goddamn fantastic movie.

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  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    Speaking of, apparently we're due to get season 2 of Drive to Survive before the season starts this time.

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  • DrovekDrovek Registered User regular
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    Speaking of, apparently we're due to get season 2 of Drive to Survive before the season starts this time.

    Following Gasly's promising move to RB?

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  • SnicketysnickSnicketysnick The Greatest Hype Man in WesterosRegistered User regular
    I really, really hope that Ferrari are involved this time, I know that Mercedes are apparently on board but a delicious Leclerc/Vettel spat episode is too juicy to miss.

    I'm not holding my breath though

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  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    I really, really hope that Ferrari are involved this time, I know that Mercedes are apparently on board but a delicious Leclerc/Vettel spat episode is too juicy to miss.

    I'm not holding my breath though

    It's confirmed that Ferrari and Mercedes both agreed to participate, has been known since Season 2 was confirmed. I guess Ferrari and Merc just didn't want to participate until it was clear the benefits of the exposure the show provides would outweigh the downsides of revealing part of your inner operations. By any measure, Drive to Survive has been a resounding success at bringing new fans into the sport and revitalizing old ones, so they obviously feel it's valuable.

    Mercedes offered Netflix one race that they could follow them at, and I believe that what ended up happening is they chose Hockenheim as their home GP, but since they did so badly there they also had them follow them at Hungary afterwards too, so two races in the end. I predict those two races will form the basis of an episode that talks about the gutsy Mercedes overcoming challenges, by first showing how badly the German GP went, then how they rallied to dominate Hungary, particularly the late charge on Verstappen.

    Ferrari hasn't confirmed what they're doing, but I'd bet anything they had Netflix come to Monza.

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  • AridholAridhol Daddliest Catch Registered User regular
    I am loving the show as a fan already but I'm also making new fans of the sport because of it and not like 1 or 2. I have a good portion of my office watching race highlights. The show has been a huge draw for F1.

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  • DirtyboyDirtyboy Registered User regular
    Some big wrecks in this week's edition.

    Racing and Rally Crash Compilation 2019 Week 238 (11 mins)

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  • DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    yep, as far as I'm concerned Drive to Survive is the single biggest and most significant thing Formula One has ever done in terms of attracting fans and engaging them.

    one of the eternally difficult things about following motorsport is that when you're watching, you are so disconnected from the drivers because they are tucked away inside helmets and vehicles.

    it's impossible to get a good feel for the personalities and storylines behind motorsport if you exclusively watch the events themselves. You need to be following close attention to the news, room is, and extra interviews and media coverage in order to follow the storylines. if all you do is watch the races themselves, it's essentially just a bunch of cars going around a track, which is exactly the criticism my wife has always levelled at F1 until I had her sit down and watch the Netflix show with me. now she's gripped by the personalities behind it, we even listen to the Beyond the Grid podcast in the car together whenever we're going places.

    I imagine, of course, that there's a small contingent of hardcore fans who bemoan the Netflix show. Every hobby or community has that group of fans who decry casual fans and any attempt to engage casual fans. But I think it was an inspired idea to work with Netflix to create this content and I hope they continue doing it.

    Even as someone who watches every race, every qualifying session, every practice session, and follows pretty much every significant bit of media coverage, I'm sure there are storylines that didn't surface which will make it into drive to survive for the next season, and I'm looking forward to reviewing and revisiting this 2019 season once all is said and done and it will be fascinating to see what things went on behind the scenes that we didn't know about at the time.

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  • TheBigEasyTheBigEasy Registered User regular
    I started watching F1 in 1993 and watched pretty much every race until I think Schumachers 5 titles run was over. In the past 10 years I followed it a bit but didnt watch many races.

    Drive to Survive was one big reason I bought the F1 TV season package and watch every race this season.

    Its a fantastic show and I think the best part about season 1 was that neither Mercedes nor Ferrari played a part and so they could focus entirely on the rest of the field. Haas and Gunther Steiner in particular was a fascinating insight.

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  • Nova_CNova_C I have the need The need for speedRegistered User regular
    I'm a pretty recent fan (started watching halfway through 2015 season) and even with the little history I have with watching F1, Liberty's purchase is transforming the sport in terms of fan engagement. The difference is obvious even to someone like me.

  • AridholAridhol Daddliest Catch Registered User regular
    edited October 4
    Correa had a successful surgery but sounds like the road to recovery will be very long.

    They basically rebuilt his entire lower leg and foot.

    https://www.racefans.net/2019/10/03/correa-makes-first-public-comments-since-spa-crash/


    “I understand my future regarding the recovery of my legs, specifically my right leg is still quite uncertain, and that my physical rehab will be extremely long and complicated.”

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  • chrishallett83chrishallett83 Hi! Registered User regular
    Nigel Mansell's driving got me interested in watching F1 when I was a kid.

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  • TheBigEasyTheBigEasy Registered User regular
    In a bit of different motorsport news.

    Last weekend was the final duo of DTM races for the season. The champion had been decided already before the weekend, but at Hockenheim, 3 cars from the Japanese Super GT came over. A Lexus, a Nissan and a Honda - the latter driven by Jenson Button.

    https://www.motorsport.com/dtm/news/button-surviving-hockenheim-wet-race/4554112/

    I was there yesterday and it was miserable. I want to cut together a few short videos I shot and upload them to YouTube, might do that later this week. I had pretty good seats - if it weren't raining. I had been here last year as well, when its been 28 degrees (Celsius, thats about 82 Fahrenheit) and sunny, compared to this outing to the swimmingpool yesterday.

    I would love to see the DTM race the Super GT in good conditions - maybe the joined Fuji race in November will provide that.

    This year I went to 4 race weekends - DTM at the Lausitzring and Hockenheimring, Vintage Grand Prix and Blancpain GT3 at the Nürburgring. The Nürburgring was great both times - the other two weekends were either too hot or too wet. Also, Hockenheim is just too far away for a one day trip (about 300km / 185 miles), whereas Nürburgring, as well as Spa and Zolder in Belgium are between 125-140km (77-86 miles).

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  • GnomeTankGnomeTank Registered User regular
    Re: The Senna documentary

    It's a good documentary, but take some of it with a grain of salt. It was written and shot to make Senna look as heroic as possible and to paint Balestre and Prost as villains (which is not hard in the case of Balestre, he was a real bastard). It's still a great watch, just remember that it's very pro-Senna and to get the real measure of the man outside of just his immense talent you need to get some other sources.

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  • JazzJazz irregular Un-UKRegistered User regular
    edited October 7
    It's true. And yeah, Balestre was an absolute bastard, no question, but Prost wasn't - just an incredibly strong rival. Had they never been teammates, one wonders if it may never have become such a bitter rivalry - but it also wouldn't have become so legendary.

    At least in closing it shows Prost as a pallbearer, and makes the point that he is/was a trustee of the Instituto Ayrton Senna that has done such good work for underprivileged kids in Brazil.

    I don't know for certain, honestly, but I hope they managed to bury the hatchet. With Prost's retirement in 1993, there was time before Senna's untimely death.

    There are a few other niggles with it too, such as it glossing over the European GP at Donington in '93, that was one of Senna's absolute finest drives. The opening lap alone was one for the ages and should have been included. (Also look for the footage in the closing credits of Senna stopping his car on track during qualifying at Spa '92, jumping out, and running to the aid of Erik Comas, who had crashed heavily, until doctors arrived on the scene - Senna's actions probably saved Comas' life.)

    The movie is not perfect (and I agree it's best taken with other sources too). But it is still absolutely brilliant and required watching.

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  • GnomeTankGnomeTank Registered User regular
    edited October 7
    From my understanding they had buried the hatchet before Senna died. Senna even had some very nice things to say about Prost before his death. In recent interviews Prost has made it seem like their relationship was definitely on the mend before Senna's untimely passing. The fact that Prost was the main pallbearer at his funeral is probably pretty telling.

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  • TheBigEasyTheBigEasy Registered User regular
    This weekend its apparently the Bathurst 1000 km on Mount Panorama. There is a nice video explaining a lap on that circuit:

  • TeeManTeeMan BrainSpoon Registered User regular
    Wow, I am PUMPED! That's a great bloody video, very erm, Australian haha!

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  • altidaltid Registered User regular
    Weather continuing to cause toruble in Japan this weekend. All saturday running has been cancelled, qualifying moved to Sunday morning.
    https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.saturday-running-cancelled-in-japan-full-revised-timetable-for-sunday.7bCNvGLXjco9zJUIEKgtvu.html

    Not unexpected given that they're being hit by a typhoon.

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  • tsmvengytsmvengy Registered User regular
    Sorry the best Mt. Panorama lap is Darrel Waltrip going full snagglepuss

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  • chrisnlchrisnl Registered User regular
    That track seems pretty insane, I'll have to see if I can find a way to watch some of that race.

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  • GnomeTankGnomeTank Registered User regular
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    Bathurst is one of my favorite tracks to sim drive. It's a total thrill to nail a good lap there.

    Couple great Bathurst videos. The original lap of the gods:



    The Scott Mclaughlin remix:

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  • GnomeTankGnomeTank Registered User regular
    edited October 12
    Another fun one from Bathurst, this time the 12h in iRacing. This was from 2018. The context here: I'm driving, my team leader is the one on the mic with me most of the time. I'm the 7th place Ferrari chasing down the 6th place Mercedes. For this race iRacing had the BoP of the cars kind of wonky. The Ferrari was rapid over the mountain, as you'll see me prove, but the Mercedes had such amazing low end grunt and top end it could pull away from you even in the draft. This is me hunting down this guy over the mountain for two laps and finally making a strong outside pass in the chase. I was chasing this guy down for a while and he did an excellent job of not breaking to the pressure I was putting on him over the mountain. If you're curious if this is intense, even in the sim: Yes. You can actually hear it in my voice and my short, terse answers as they are asking me questions. At one point you hear my team leader mute his mic and go "Oh god..." because he knows how intense it is to follow this close over the mountain for a bunch of laps.

    Watch on a few more laps for me relaxing too much, getting over confident, spinning, and having to pass him again ;)

    https://www.twitch.tv/videos/248674538?t=05h04m43s

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  • TeeManTeeMan BrainSpoon Registered User regular
    edited October 12
    That was a brilliant bit of high pressure driving @GnomeTank , a joy to watch!

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  • GnomeTankGnomeTank Registered User regular
    VLN Round 8 being broadcast on YouTube right now:

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  • TeeManTeeMan BrainSpoon Registered User regular
    edited October 12
    Whelp gonna feel like crap tomorrow for such a late night but two hours remaining of VLN 8 - yes please

    edit: BMW and Audi monster GT3 cars entering Turn 1 and suddenly a very normal looking silver BMW 3-Series appears on the exit. <3 VLN

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  • VeeveeVeevee WisconsinRegistered User regular
    Headsup, the 10hour (or 1000 laps) Petit Le Mans at Road Atlanta is about to take the green flag

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  • VeeveeVeevee WisconsinRegistered User regular
    Watching this race, and F1 would be amazing there. It is a simple track, but somehow just about perfect. So much better than that stupid COTA track, at the very least.

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  • GnomeTankGnomeTank Registered User regular
    Road Atlanta seems simple, but it's incredibly technical to actually drive. It and Road America are among my favorite tracks to drive. Not overly complicated layouts, but you need to use all your driving techniques to get around them quickly.

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  • davidsdurionsdavidsdurions Your Trusty Meatshield Panhandle NebraskaRegistered User regular


    Let’s do it!

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  • VeeveeVeevee WisconsinRegistered User regular
    Soooo, are they going to be able to race in this if they can't even qualify?

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  • DrovekDrovek Registered User regular
    Ugh, shitty dive bomb from Albon on Norris in lap 4.

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