Shortytouching the meatIntergalactic Cool CourtRegistered Userregular
I've seen that theory and I think people are confusing some things for clues that these are the same people when they are actually thematic parallels meant to make you think about what they have in common
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Doctor Manhattan is not on Mars? He tells Veidt at the end of the book he is going to a different galaxy. And well we have a series looking to be based around multiple possible false flag type situations. So what if Manhattan isn’t on Mars at all and it’s a Veidt lie of some sort to make him look like he’s still around. As he would be the only one to know where Manhattan actually went.
Basically I’m trying to work out why the castle is our symbol tying the stories together.
Isn't there footage on the news?
That seems like it would be easy to fake in the Watchmen universe.
Doctor Manhattan is not on Mars? He tells Veidt at the end of the book he is going to a different galaxy. And well we have a series looking to be based around multiple possible false flag type situations. So what if Manhattan isn’t on Mars at all and it’s a Veidt lie of some sort to make him look like he’s still around. As he would be the only one to know where Manhattan actually went.
Basically I’m trying to work out why the castle is our symbol tying the stories together.
Isn't there footage on the news?
That seems like it would be easy to fake in the Watchmen universe.
The journal stops when they go to Antarctica, I think. Rorschach is certainly dead and Dan and Laurie gone by the time Veidt and Manhattan are discussing him leaving
Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
It's archive dot org though.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
judd's heartfelt and apparently authentic father-figure relationship with angela, as portrayed in episode 1, in light of the klan robe?
other than as a bait-and-switch
i just feel this show is really prone to dissonance between plot matter and character building. same thing with angela's violence. like... the nixonville scene, where she's saying "this isn't worth it" immediately before she gets caught in a dumb melee - as dumb as the american hero story 'action' - and does the whole "beat his face to a pulp to show deeper emotions and lack of self control" thing. what is it? voice of reason and loving mother, or torturer? there's an ideal future for the show that resolves stuff like this but i don't yet trust it's the one we'll get
judd's heartfelt and apparently authentic father-figure relationship with angela, as portrayed in episode 1, in light of the klan robe?
other than as a bait-and-switch
i just feel this show is really prone to dissonance between plot matter and character building. same thing with angela's violence. like... the nixonville scene, where she's saying "this isn't worth it" immediately before she gets caught in a dumb melee - as dumb as the american hero story 'action' - and does the whole "beat his face to a pulp to show deeper emotions and lack of self control" thing. what is it? voice of reason and loving mother, or torturer? there's an ideal future for the show that resolves stuff like this but i don't yet trust it's the one we'll get
They lingered on that photo of the kid and the dad in the first episode. Maybe the Klan robe was his dad's?
Probably too clean of an answer for a Lindelof show, though.
judd's heartfelt and apparently authentic father-figure relationship with angela, as portrayed in episode 1, in light of the klan robe?
other than as a bait-and-switch
i just feel this show is really prone to dissonance between plot matter and character building. same thing with angela's violence. like... the nixonville scene, where she's saying "this isn't worth it" immediately before she gets caught in a dumb melee - as dumb as the american hero story 'action' - and does the whole "beat his face to a pulp to show deeper emotions and lack of self control" thing. what is it? voice of reason and loving mother, or torturer? there's an ideal future for the show that resolves stuff like this but i don't yet trust it's the one we'll get
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We don't know enough about Judd's history yet to know if that was a bait and switch. Did he have a genuine change of heart? Were those his Klan robes? The story is still happening, but I don't think we're meant to see Judd's friendship with Angela as inauthentic. We haven't had a ton of time to grapple with the aftermath of that discovery, either. I will say that if there's one thing Lindelof absolutely excels at, it's resolving character arcs, so I'm far less concerned with that. I think we're absolutely going to see Angela grappling with her various identities as the show continues, especially since she's just learned something fairly shocking about a person foundational to one of them.
And I don't think that melee is as "dumb" as the American Hero Story scene. That scene is clearly played up as a big superhero action scene, albeit with more violence than you'd normally see. But the Nixonville roundup, that's messy, and probably a bad idea. It's a bunch of masked cops rolling in, tasing and tackling people. There's no big moves, it's just, you know, violence.
Judd served under Robert S Mueller in Vietnam. Has links to Keene, who is angling for republican presidential bid. Paternal line all in law enforcement, his father has a twin.
Even if the robes prove out to be Judds and not just a family heirloom it's entirely possible for him to have genuine romantic or familial love for her. While still also having messed up views that are probably twisting that stuff up a bit. Even hardcore racists have strange exceptions to their own views that don't seem to pierce through to greater understanding. It can be I love you, but the rest of them aren't worth saving, or would be better off under our control etc. etc. I was wondering if he was the Kavalry guy who had the drop on her the night of the attack but didn't follow through due to second thoughts.
Even if the robes prove out to be Judds and not just a family heirloom it's entirely possible for him to have genuine romantic or familial love for her. While still also having messed up views that are probably twisting that stuff up a bit. Even hardcore racists have strange exceptions to their own views that don't seem to pierce through to greater understanding. It can be I love you, but the rest of them aren't worth saving, or would be better off under our control etc. etc. I was wondering if he was the Kavalry guy who had the drop on her the night of the attack but didn't follow through due to second thoughts.
"You're one of the good ones" is an extremely common racist expression
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Even if the robes prove out to be Judds and not just a family heirloom it's entirely possible for him to have genuine romantic or familial love for her. While still also having messed up views that are probably twisting that stuff up a bit. Even hardcore racists have strange exceptions to their own views that don't seem to pierce through to greater understanding. It can be I love you, but the rest of them aren't worth saving, or would be better off under our control etc. etc. I was wondering if he was the Kavalry guy who had the drop on her the night of the attack but didn't follow through due to second thoughts.
"You're one of the good ones" is an extremely common racist expression
Just flip it to see the truth.
"Usually people of your race/ethnicity/background are terrible, but you're an exception to that!"
When they cut from Angela staring down the second Kavalry member to her waking up in the hospital, and Judd tells her her assailant bled out...something's off with that, obviously. Either Judd's the second Kavalry member, and he spared her for some specific reason, or something else is going on. And what happened to her husband?
Also what was his present
Given where she was shot, my guess was the gift was somehow baby/pregnancy related.
Yeah present day their kids seem to be adopted, the two girls from the angry guy on the porch and the boy from her dead partner from White Night, and she gets real mad when Glass scoffs at calling them 'her kids'.
Even if the robes prove out to be Judds and not just a family heirloom it's entirely possible for him to have genuine romantic or familial love for her. While still also having messed up views that are probably twisting that stuff up a bit. Even hardcore racists have strange exceptions to their own views that don't seem to pierce through to greater understanding. It can be I love you, but the rest of them aren't worth saving, or would be better off under our control etc. etc. I was wondering if he was the Kavalry guy who had the drop on her the night of the attack but didn't follow through due to second thoughts.
"You're one of the good ones" is an extremely common racist expression
it may seem counterintuitive but I'd argue that being able to make exceptions like this is a crucial component of the thought processes that allow racist people to insist they're not racist
Even if the robes prove out to be Judds and not just a family heirloom it's entirely possible for him to have genuine romantic or familial love for her. While still also having messed up views that are probably twisting that stuff up a bit. Even hardcore racists have strange exceptions to their own views that don't seem to pierce through to greater understanding. It can be I love you, but the rest of them aren't worth saving, or would be better off under our control etc. etc. I was wondering if he was the Kavalry guy who had the drop on her the night of the attack but didn't follow through due to second thoughts.
"You're one of the good ones" is an extremely common racist expression
it may seem counterintuitive but I'd argue that being able to make exceptions like this is a crucial component of the thought processes that allow racist people to insist they're not racist
The idea that the Other has some moral failure they could rise above if they just took the effort, but they don't so they deserve what they get, is a crucial component of American racism.
I kind of doubt the show will go in this basic a direction but
If the solution to the two super powers approaching war was to present them with an external threat, I hope Veidt's not making some kind of artificial people to serve as a third party solution to solve racism between humans in the same common threat style. Although we have no reason to believe what's brewing in Tulsa is a imminent global threat on the scale of thermonuclear war either so the plots may not be connected that directly.
I kind of doubt the show will go in this basic a direction but
If the solution to the two super powers approaching war was to present them with an external threat, I hope Veidt's not making some kind of artificial people to serve as a third party solution to solve racism between humans in the same common threat style. Although we have no reason to believe what's brewing in Tulsa is a imminent global threat on the scale of thermonuclear war either so the plots may not be connected that directly.
That's actually a totally believable direction for Veidt could go
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Even if the robes prove out to be Judds and not just a family heirloom it's entirely possible for him to have genuine romantic or familial love for her. While still also having messed up views that are probably twisting that stuff up a bit. Even hardcore racists have strange exceptions to their own views that don't seem to pierce through to greater understanding. It can be I love you, but the rest of them aren't worth saving, or would be better off under our control etc. etc. I was wondering if he was the Kavalry guy who had the drop on her the night of the attack but didn't follow through due to second thoughts.
“You’re a big black dude, I thought you were going to rape me when we first met!”
Was something I was personally told.
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Louis Gossett Jr. is doing some fucking work.
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So, episode name,
referring to a scouting tactic where a rider conceals himself on the other side of the horse so the enemy assumes it’s just a wild animal? Are we to assume Judd was a mole for the Kavalry, posing as a good woke warrior but feeding them information on the cops’ identities?
So I know there's an in universe reason why Judd didn't wear a mask like the other cops, but I also really like the whole, "the good police chief was his mask", angle.
Only two episodes in and I can already recognise the theme music for the various people.
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Everyone seems very sure Doctor Manhattan can't appear human. Any particular reason for that? He never seemed to care to try, but where are they getting the idea he couldn't do it?
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That seems like it would be easy to fake in the Watchmen universe.
What?
No who would do that
But
Watchmen comic
Is it somehow okay that they feature books one would normally have to pay money for? If so then my mistake
But archive.org’s whole deal is to be an educational resource, as far as I know
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other than as a bait-and-switch
i just feel this show is really prone to dissonance between plot matter and character building. same thing with angela's violence. like... the nixonville scene, where she's saying "this isn't worth it" immediately before she gets caught in a dumb melee - as dumb as the american hero story 'action' - and does the whole "beat his face to a pulp to show deeper emotions and lack of self control" thing. what is it? voice of reason and loving mother, or torturer? there's an ideal future for the show that resolves stuff like this but i don't yet trust it's the one we'll get
Probably too clean of an answer for a Lindelof show, though.
well
And I don't think that melee is as "dumb" as the American Hero Story scene. That scene is clearly played up as a big superhero action scene, albeit with more violence than you'd normally see. But the Nixonville roundup, that's messy, and probably a bad idea. It's a bunch of masked cops rolling in, tasing and tackling people. There's no big moves, it's just, you know, violence.
"You're one of the good ones" is an extremely common racist expression
Just flip it to see the truth.
"Usually people of your race/ethnicity/background are terrible, but you're an exception to that!"
Less flattering when you put it that way.
it may seem counterintuitive but I'd argue that being able to make exceptions like this is a crucial component of the thought processes that allow racist people to insist they're not racist
The idea that the Other has some moral failure they could rise above if they just took the effort, but they don't so they deserve what they get, is a crucial component of American racism.
“You’re a big black dude, I thought you were going to rape me when we first met!”
Was something I was personally told.
Only two episodes in and I can already recognise the theme music for the various people.
Yeah she was incredible