[Canadian Politics] Take care. Listen to health authorities.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    Phoenix-D wrote: »
    Might actually he better to just bite the bullet and have 5% of the nation die. Because i dont think a 20% reduction in GDP for 2 years leaves us with better numbers than that.

    This was posted here and sure the context is maybe more people die of the economy exploded and it turns out America's wealth was all pointless (a high likely hood)

    But also like shit gotta keep the status quo up better kill a bunch of people to keep this obviously good system running, is s u p r e m e l y fucked up and we'll I shouldn't be so surprised Liberals would consider it as well cause they think they can reform or fix it

    Do you think goods and services in a socialist economy would come from magic? You'd see the same problems and the same tradeoffs.

    There is fundamentally a level at which we will simply accept that the trade-off of stopping an infection is not worth the cost. That's why we aren't doing this full societal lockdown every winter to contain the flu, even though that kills a non-zero amount of people. 5% is ridiculously high for a "eh, we'll live with it" level of death though, most people would say. Which is why we are currently shutting most things down and incurring a hefty economic cost for it.

    But at some point we are all gonna have to, like, do stuff again. Cause people need to be doing things to keep this whole "human civilization" thing we got going on, going on. And that's true regardless of the economic or political system employed. It's got nothing to do with capitalism specifically. It's just, like, shit has to get done. People gotta make things and move those things around to other people.

    i don't think people who say "it's just like, shit has to get done" really comprehend the rate of death even 1% is on the economy, and we are not getting it down to 1%

    Nah. It's more that I'm pointing out that "the economy" is not some strange distant capitalist beast come to chew up and spit out people. It's the thing we are all a part of that creates and delivers the things we need to survive and continue to function. Food, electricity, goods, internet, waste disposal, clean water, etc, etc, etc. When we are talking about damage to the economy here, especially in this case given the nature of the current economic issues, we aren't talking about stock prices going down and rich people moaning, we are talking about things not happening. Services not being rendered. Goods not being produced. The attempt to distance economic damage from actual real life human consequences (except when doing so would align with pre-existing political goals) is ludicrous.

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  • I needed a gnome to post.I needed a gnome to post. i did meet some of the most insufferable people but, they also met meRegistered User regular
    well it's a good thing Essential jobs are still happening then

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    well it's a good thing Essential jobs are still happening then

    For now. We are still coasting on a lot of backlog of production. There's only so long you can lock everything down before shortages start popping up, people deemed non-essential start running out of money, etc, etc. Just the whole chain of people required to feed everyone and how many essential personnel that ends up requiring is a good example of the sheer scope of labour across wide swaths of people that we depend on in order to function. There's only so long we are capable of continuing on "essential services" and government trying to just hold everything together (if you are lucky enough to live somewhere where your government is even trying to do that).

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  • CanadianWolverineCanadianWolverine Registered User regular
    mrondeau wrote: »
    They're debating (and probably passing) the emergency aid bill in Parliament today. The Liberals were going to ask for the power to spend and adjust tax rates without parliamentary approval (which seems somewhat reasonable) until the end of 2021 (which doesn't). Predictably, everyone flipped out, so they're taking that bit out of the bill, which makes me wonder just what the hell they were thinking putting it in there in the first place.
    “We really wish we were a majority government” is about it. I would really look at forming a coalition instead, since there’s no way the Conservatives would approve of the level of spending required. Especially since the Republicans are trying to get people killed.

    Given this recent release from the NDP: https://www.ndp.ca/news/ndp-proposes-plan-get-money-peoples-hands-and-save-jobs

    I think any coalition worth a damn for the LPC would come from Singh.

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  • -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    I feel like everybody getting sick and 5% of the population dying would also be really bad for the economy

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  • quovadis13quovadis13 Registered User regular
    -Tal wrote: »
    I feel like everybody getting sick and 5% of the population dying would also be really bad for the economy

    That's why you'll never be the president

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  • -Tal-Tal Registered User regular
    I think that once you start seriously saying that we should just let 1 out of every 20 people die you have forfeited the right to act like a rational intellectual just running the tough calculus. that's a statement that comes from fear and panic. it's fine, i'm pretty scared of this thing too, and i'm no economy genius

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited March 24
    -Tal wrote: »
    I feel like everybody getting sick and 5% of the population dying would also be really bad for the economy

    Well yes. That's why we are all doing our best hermit impressions right now. (or the non-idiots ones are anyway) We are gonna take a bunch of economic damage in return for keeping the death rate down.

    Though I wonder how much Trump's stupidity is gonna make it difficult for us to open the border for quite awhile.

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  • mrondeaumrondeau Montréal, CanadaRegistered User regular
    mrondeau wrote: »
    They're debating (and probably passing) the emergency aid bill in Parliament today. The Liberals were going to ask for the power to spend and adjust tax rates without parliamentary approval (which seems somewhat reasonable) until the end of 2021 (which doesn't). Predictably, everyone flipped out, so they're taking that bit out of the bill, which makes me wonder just what the hell they were thinking putting it in there in the first place.
    “We really wish we were a majority government” is about it. I would really look at forming a coalition instead, since there’s no way the Conservatives would approve of the level of spending required. Especially since the Republicans are trying to get people killed.

    Given this recent release from the NDP: https://www.ndp.ca/news/ndp-proposes-plan-get-money-peoples-hands-and-save-jobs

    I think any coalition worth a damn for the LPC would come from Singh.

    Well, yes. The point would be to have a safe majority, in order to bypass the conservatives.

  • MuzzmuzzMuzzmuzz Registered User regular
    Fuck, good chance I'll be laid off of my job at Timmy's. Sales are really down, and rumors that the entire store will be shut down. Thank God I saved up the money to cover a year or two of living expenses. But I hope I have a job to come back to once this is over.

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  • mrondeaumrondeau Montréal, CanadaRegistered User regular
    Ok, it looks like my roaster is still roasting. That’s good. I just did some math, and my current monthly order barely gives me 1 cup of coffee per day.
    It’s much better than the office’s coffee, which is good, but since I’m working from home, I drink more coffee at home (duh), and since it’s better coffee I drink more coffee...
    I’m at about 6 espresso today; I need to cut that a bit, but 1 per day, that’s just not enough.

    TL;DR: micro roasters are essential and I might stop sleeping in a few weeks.

  • PhyphorPhyphor Building Planet Busters Tasting FruitRegistered User regular
    Wouldn't a lack of coffee bring on more sleeping?

  • mrondeaumrondeau Montréal, CanadaRegistered User regular
    Phyphor wrote: »
    Wouldn't a lack of coffee bring on more sleeping?

    Yes, but the espresso machine is not far, and the number of cups per day is exponential. This is not the first time...

  • taliosfalcontaliosfalcon Registered User regular
    edited March 24
    I'm so glad I switched to a gov't/public services focused web dev company a few years ago...everyone I know is getting cut hours/laid off etc here in Alberta, meanwhile we're completely business as usual since we were always very WFH and the busiest/most profitable we've been in years thanks to all the covid related work. One of the very few non healthcare, or manufacturing for healthcare jobs where my job security has somehow gone up...

    It'll be cold comfort when the economy collapses and we're using human skulls as our new currency though


    Also an hour ago they closed playgrounds in Edmonton. Seems rather late for that given the little disease factories children are

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  • DeciusDecius Registered User regular
    Speaking of our Alberta, here's some shit our government is trying to slip through under the auspices of crisis management. Spoilered for huge.
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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    Though I wonder how much Trump's stupidity is gonna make it difficult for us to open the border for quite awhile.

    American truckers drive the trucks up to the border, detach the cargo, let it sit for 3 days so the virus dies, then we have Canadian truckers go down to attach and drive it here. Just because the border is closed to humans doesn't mean it's closed to trade.

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  • Gnome-InterruptusGnome-Interruptus Registered User regular
    Richy wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Though I wonder how much Trump's stupidity is gonna make it difficult for us to open the border for quite awhile.

    American truckers drive the trucks up to the border, detach the cargo, let it sit for 3 days so the virus dies, then we have Canadian truckers go down to attach and drive it here. Just because the border is closed to humans doesn't mean it's closed to trade.

    I dont think we have the logistics capacity for that much storage of trailers, let alone what that many trailers sitting idle would do to availability to move other loads.

    Our company has already received notice from the freight haulers that if any shipment cannot be received due to closure, it will be returned to the point of origin at the shippers expense.

    So we have been having to contact each of our customers prior to shipment to make sure they will be open to accept it, and even then, with how fluid the shutdowns have been, we have had some close calls with items that were in transit before decisions were made.

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  • SteelhawkSteelhawk Registered User regular
    I've had to do the same too yesterday, but I think things are coming to a new normal in my sector today...or rather the old normal as pretty much nothing has changed except for employee stress. Employer stress too. I've had heartburn for the past two days. The mad scramble to try and sort shit out before the closures and then to not have them close at all. And the loss of about 30% of my productivity as one of my workers in his fifties decided to opt out and stay home.... I probably should've taken an antacid.

    I don't quite understand how my business is considered an essential service, but here we are. My little niche is primarily focused on tower construction, and all my customers are open. Whether its a condo tower in Toronto, or an office building in New York or Boston.... GC's are open. Sites are open. Therefore the subs are open and the subs of subs like me are open. All of us beholden to the customer. And that's the problem small guys like me have. Because if the customers are open, then we have to stay open. If I close my doors for a few weeks and nobody else does? That's it. I'm done. The customer will go elsewhere and I may as well shut the doors for good. The GC's have such strict and tight construction schedules that are so tied into performance bonuses and penalties that its like you are trapped.

    Its a shitty situation. Housing needs to be built, I get that. Whomever bought that Mattamy home in the new subdivision and sold their old place 60 days ago? Yeah, they need to be able to move somewhere. I guess that can apply to a condo tower somewhere but if you are already waiting 2-4 years to get that new build condo, then whats a few more weeks? And how exactly is that new 78 story corporate HQ in Beantown considered essential? But again, the customer says jump and small business says "How high"

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  • InvectivusInvectivus Registered User regular
    I’m in the same boat. I have to look after the refrigeration on three food producing sites, plus two A/C’s for server rooms. If I don’t show, or unable to perform, I’m done.

    Too bad there are no people getting in the trades anymore...... could sure use a hand

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  • CanadianWolverineCanadianWolverine Registered User regular
    Richy wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Though I wonder how much Trump's stupidity is gonna make it difficult for us to open the border for quite awhile.

    American truckers drive the trucks up to the border, detach the cargo, let it sit for 3 days so the virus dies, then we have Canadian truckers go down to attach and drive it here. Just because the border is closed to humans doesn't mean it's closed to trade.

    I dont think we have the logistics capacity for that much storage of trailers, let alone what that many trailers sitting idle would do to availability to move other loads.

    Our company has already received notice from the freight haulers that if any shipment cannot be received due to closure, it will be returned to the point of origin at the shippers expense.

    So we have been having to contact each of our customers prior to shipment to make sure they will be open to accept it, and even then, with how fluid the shutdowns have been, we have had some close calls with items that were in transit before decisions were made.

    I would be open to us building the logistics infrastructure capacity then.

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  • NosfNosf Registered User regular
    Work for a mental health agency, it's been pretty exciting! Real all hands on deck everyone has to pull together and it's easier to see who the weak links are, at least one of which is my boss and they're getting fucking purged hopefully.

  • darkmayodarkmayo Registered User regular
    Nosf wrote: »
    Work for a mental health agency, it's been pretty exciting! Real all hands on deck everyone has to pull together and it's easier to see who the weak links are, at least one of which is my boss and they're getting fucking purged hopefully.

    They will get promoted

  • PhyphorPhyphor Building Planet Busters Tasting FruitRegistered User regular
    Richy wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Though I wonder how much Trump's stupidity is gonna make it difficult for us to open the border for quite awhile.

    American truckers drive the trucks up to the border, detach the cargo, let it sit for 3 days so the virus dies, then we have Canadian truckers go down to attach and drive it here. Just because the border is closed to humans doesn't mean it's closed to trade.

    I dont think we have the logistics capacity for that much storage of trailers, let alone what that many trailers sitting idle would do to availability to move other loads.

    Our company has already received notice from the freight haulers that if any shipment cannot be received due to closure, it will be returned to the point of origin at the shippers expense.

    So we have been having to contact each of our customers prior to shipment to make sure they will be open to accept it, and even then, with how fluid the shutdowns have been, we have had some close calls with items that were in transit before decisions were made.

    I would be open to us building the logistics infrastructure capacity then.

    It has no value outside of pretty much exactly this scenario. We would either be spending money maintaining a number of large unused facilities or watching them decay

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  • NosfNosf Registered User regular
    Naw, we're mental health care, not physical health care. Ain't got the budget to promote the dead wood to spots where they can't do damage. Dead limbs are hacked off the tree!

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  • ShadowhopeShadowhope Baa. Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    Though I wonder how much Trump's stupidity is gonna make it difficult for us to open the border for quite awhile.

    I wonder if we’ll see a situation where the EU and Asian markets have their goods going to and coming from America passing through Canada and Mexico.

    Wash your hands like you've been cutting habaneros and need to put in your contacts.
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  • taliosfalcontaliosfalcon Registered User regular
    Invectivus wrote: »
    I’m in the same boat. I have to look after the refrigeration on three food producing sites, plus two A/C’s for server rooms. If I don’t show, or unable to perform, I’m done.

    Too bad there are no people getting in the trades anymore...... could sure use a hand
    I mean, you're not exactly selling it as a work environment to strive for. (However essential it is)

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  • AegisAegis Not Quite TorontoRegistered User regular
    Canadian COVID Aid package finally got passed, a day later than figured due to fighting over the "spending authority without parliamentary approval" bits (those were taken out of the final bill).

    Woo, no student loans payments for 6 months. Although, the NSLSC website has been dead for about a week now, so wheee.

    We'll see how long this blog lasts
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  • Operative21Operative21 Registered User regular
    I'm actually a grocery store clerk here in Toronto (Willowdale specifically). No isolation for me except during my off hours of course. Work has been......weird. It is both the most and least stressful work I've done in my career thus far. When we have stock to shelve it's actually the least stressful shelf stocking I've ever done. With everything so depleted there's no difficulty with managing overstocks or even keeping the store faced and looking presentable. Stuff goes to the shelf and then disappears in very short order in a fairly smooth manner.

    On the other hand, managing social distancing, making sure surfaces are properly sanitized and dealing with panicky, or angry people is very stressful. I keep having to remind myself that if I get sick, I could end up passing the virus to a lot of people just by the nature of being around so many people in my work day.

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  • InvectivusInvectivus Registered User regular
    Invectivus wrote: »
    I’m in the same boat. I have to look after the refrigeration on three food producing sites, plus two A/C’s for server rooms. If I don’t show, or unable to perform, I’m done.

    Too bad there are no people getting in the trades anymore...... could sure use a hand
    I mean, you're not exactly selling it as a work environment to strive for. (However essential it is)

    I’ve been doing it for 20 years. It a very rewarding trade. Yes, there are tough days, but overall it is good career path for people who like puzzles, problem solving and working with cool shit. If I was to walk away now, I have skills to fix my home furnace, hot water heater and my home Air Conditioning, and do the same for others.

    In a situation like this, food production places are going balls-to-the-wall trying to keep up supplies for stores. Any down time is detrimental, so I have to keep things up-to-snuff to avoid this. Same with Server Rooms. You enjoy playing online games and watching Netflix while under quarantine? So do a few thousand other people. It’s putting strain on those systems, causing them to run hotter, and in turn work the Cooling systems above what they were designed for. Do you know how long it takes for a fully loaded server rack to fuck up when the cooling goes down? Answer, not long.

    It’s fun and nice to say “Work from home, take two weeks off”. But when you have a set of skills and knowledge that are in demand, it’s not that easy to just walk away from critical systems and say “Your on your own!”

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  • CanadianWolverineCanadianWolverine Registered User regular
    edited March 25
    Phyphor wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Though I wonder how much Trump's stupidity is gonna make it difficult for us to open the border for quite awhile.

    American truckers drive the trucks up to the border, detach the cargo, let it sit for 3 days so the virus dies, then we have Canadian truckers go down to attach and drive it here. Just because the border is closed to humans doesn't mean it's closed to trade.

    I dont think we have the logistics capacity for that much storage of trailers, let alone what that many trailers sitting idle would do to availability to move other loads.

    Our company has already received notice from the freight haulers that if any shipment cannot be received due to closure, it will be returned to the point of origin at the shippers expense.

    So we have been having to contact each of our customers prior to shipment to make sure they will be open to accept it, and even then, with how fluid the shutdowns have been, we have had some close calls with items that were in transit before decisions were made.

    I would be open to us building the logistics infrastructure capacity then.

    It has no value outside of pretty much exactly this scenario. We would either be spending money maintaining a number of large unused facilities or watching them decay

    No value? I doubt that very much, for years now there have been routes into the country we have agreed have poor customs screening on bulk cargo that could benefit from an investment in environmental and security oriented monitoring of modern deep water harbour, trucking, trains and planes, but instead we just opt for cheap and quick over quality with this process, which is outlined here:
    https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/security-securite/mts_smc-eng.html

    Its not a matter of lack of being able to engineer the solution, its a matter of lack of political will around priorities. This is where it lands us in more than just situations like these, because we didn't invest in the capacity to do anything else than screen a small percentage but its not like its the only possible way to for shipping to be screened at the border or that it doesn't have any impact other things we screen for than just contaminants but others areas of national security like smuggling and more.

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  • Gnome-InterruptusGnome-Interruptus Registered User regular
    Phyphor wrote: »
    Richy wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    Though I wonder how much Trump's stupidity is gonna make it difficult for us to open the border for quite awhile.

    American truckers drive the trucks up to the border, detach the cargo, let it sit for 3 days so the virus dies, then we have Canadian truckers go down to attach and drive it here. Just because the border is closed to humans doesn't mean it's closed to trade.

    I dont think we have the logistics capacity for that much storage of trailers, let alone what that many trailers sitting idle would do to availability to move other loads.

    Our company has already received notice from the freight haulers that if any shipment cannot be received due to closure, it will be returned to the point of origin at the shippers expense.

    So we have been having to contact each of our customers prior to shipment to make sure they will be open to accept it, and even then, with how fluid the shutdowns have been, we have had some close calls with items that were in transit before decisions were made.

    I would be open to us building the logistics infrastructure capacity then.

    It has no value outside of pretty much exactly this scenario. We would either be spending money maintaining a number of large unused facilities or watching them decay

    No value? I doubt that very much, for years now there have been routes into the country we have agreed have poor customs screening on bulk cargo that could benefit from an investment in environmental and security oriented monitoring of modern deep water harbour, trucking, trains and planes, but instead we just opt for cheap and quick over quality with this process, which is outlined here:
    https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/security-securite/mts_smc-eng.html

    Its not a matter of lack of being able to engineer the solution, its a matter of lack of political will around priorities. This is where it lands us in more than just situations like these, because we didn't invest in the capacity to do anything else than screen a small percentage but its not like its the only possible way to for shipping to be screened at the border or that it doesn't have any impact other things we screen for than just contaminants but others areas of national security like smuggling and more.

    The infrastructure to quarantine every tractor trailer for 3 days on entering the country would mostly involve paving over hundreds of fields to turn into storage lots.

    Then it would involve nearly tripling the inventory of trailers so that other things could move while the current ones are parked.

    Then you would need to fence in, guard, and inventory catalog and map where everything is stored.

    Essentially imagine the landlocked version of the Vancouver / Montreal ports, but you have to build in a sprawl instead of vertical because you can’t stack trailers like containers and you can’t have semis using something vertical like a parking garage.

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  • HandkorHandkor Registered User regular
    While our neighbors down south are arguing over 1200$ one time payment to workers our government has passed Bill C-13 which gives up to 2000$ monthly in benefits for anyone with loss or reduction of income

    Other highlights
    A temporary boost to Canada Child Benefit payments, delivering about $2 billion in extra support.
    A new Emergency Care Benefit of up to $900 biweekly, for up to 15 weeks, to provide income support to workers, including the self-employed, who have to stay home and don't qualify for paid sick leave or employment insurance. The measure means up to $10 billion could be disbursed.
    A new Emergency Support Benefit to provide up to $5 billion in support to workers who are not eligible for EI and who are facing unemployment.
    A six-month, interest-free reprieve on student loan payments.
    A doubling of the homeless care program.
    An extension of the tax filing deadline to June 1. There is also a policy change allowing taxpayers to defer until after Aug. 31 tax payments that are due after today and before September.
    $305 million for a new Indigenous Community Support Fund to address immediate needs in First Nations, Inuit and Métis Nation communities.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/covid19-coronavirus-ottawa-hill-economic-legislation-1.5509178

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  • I needed a gnome to post.I needed a gnome to post. i did meet some of the most insufferable people but, they also met meRegistered User regular
    Hmm, did the bonus to the GST rebate for low-income get axed?

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  • LaOsLaOs SaskatoonRegistered User regular
    No, I think that's still happening.

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  • I needed a gnome to post.I needed a gnome to post. i did meet some of the most insufferable people but, they also met meRegistered User regular
    That's good! My understanding was that that's one of the things that people don't have to go to a website to opt into, and I'm of the strong opinion that the more of those there are in this situation the better.

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  • breton-brawlerbreton-brawler Registered User regular
    Invectivus wrote: »
    Invectivus wrote: »
    I’m in the same boat. I have to look after the refrigeration on three food producing sites, plus two A/C’s for server rooms. If I don’t show, or unable to perform, I’m done.

    Too bad there are no people getting in the trades anymore...... could sure use a hand
    I mean, you're not exactly selling it as a work environment to strive for. (However essential it is)

    I’ve been doing it for 20 years. It a very rewarding trade. Yes, there are tough days, but overall it is good career path for people who like puzzles, problem solving and


    [*] working with cool shit


    . If I was to walk away now, I have skills to fix my home furnace, hot water heater and my home Air Conditioning, and do the same for others.

    In a situation like this, food production places are going balls-to-the-wall trying to keep up supplies for stores. Any down time is detrimental, so I have to keep things up-to-snuff to avoid this. Same with Server Rooms. You enjoy playing online games and watching Netflix while under quarantine? So do a few thousand other people. It’s putting strain on those systems, causing them to run hotter, and in turn work the Cooling systems above what they were designed for. Do you know how long it takes for a fully loaded server rack to fuck up when the cooling goes down? Answer, not long.

    It’s fun and nice to say “Work from home, take two weeks off”. But when you have a set of skills and knowledge that are in demand, it’s not that easy to just walk away from critical systems and say “Your on your own!”

    I can't let that pass

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  • InvectivusInvectivus Registered User regular
    Invectivus wrote: »
    Invectivus wrote: »
    I’m in the same boat. I have to look after the refrigeration on three food producing sites, plus two A/C’s for server rooms. If I don’t show, or unable to perform, I’m done.

    Too bad there are no people getting in the trades anymore...... could sure use a hand
    I mean, you're not exactly selling it as a work environment to strive for. (However essential it is)

    I’ve been doing it for 20 years. It a very rewarding trade. Yes, there are tough days, but overall it is good career path for people who like puzzles, problem solving and


    [*] working with cool shit


    . If I was to walk away now, I have skills to fix my home furnace, hot water heater and my home Air Conditioning, and do the same for others.

    In a situation like this, food production places are going balls-to-the-wall trying to keep up supplies for stores. Any down time is detrimental, so I have to keep things up-to-snuff to avoid this. Same with Server Rooms. You enjoy playing online games and watching Netflix while under quarantine? So do a few thousand other people. It’s putting strain on those systems, causing them to run hotter, and in turn work the Cooling systems above what they were designed for. Do you know how long it takes for a fully loaded server rack to fuck up when the cooling goes down? Answer, not long.

    It’s fun and nice to say “Work from home, take two weeks off”. But when you have a set of skills and knowledge that are in demand, it’s not that easy to just walk away from critical systems and say “Your on your own!”

    I can't let that pass

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  • finnithfinnith TorontoRegistered User regular
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    Though I wonder how much Trump's stupidity is gonna make it difficult for us to open the border for quite awhile.

    American truckers drive the trucks up to the border, detach the cargo, let it sit for 3 days so the virus dies, then we have Canadian truckers go down to attach and drive it here. Just because the border is closed to humans doesn't mean it's closed to trade.

    I dont think we have the logistics capacity for that much storage of trailers, let alone what that many trailers sitting idle would do to availability to move other loads.

    Our company has already received notice from the freight haulers that if any shipment cannot be received due to closure, it will be returned to the point of origin at the shippers expense.

    So we have been having to contact each of our customers prior to shipment to make sure they will be open to accept it, and even then, with how fluid the shutdowns have been, we have had some close calls with items that were in transit before decisions were made.

    I would be open to us building the logistics infrastructure capacity then.

    It has no value outside of pretty much exactly this scenario. We would either be spending money maintaining a number of large unused facilities or watching them decay

    No value? I doubt that very much, for years now there have been routes into the country we have agreed have poor customs screening on bulk cargo that could benefit from an investment in environmental and security oriented monitoring of modern deep water harbour, trucking, trains and planes, but instead we just opt for cheap and quick over quality with this process, which is outlined here:
    https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/security-securite/mts_smc-eng.html

    Its not a matter of lack of being able to engineer the solution, its a matter of lack of political will around priorities. This is where it lands us in more than just situations like these, because we didn't invest in the capacity to do anything else than screen a small percentage but its not like its the only possible way to for shipping to be screened at the border or that it doesn't have any impact other things we screen for than just contaminants but others areas of national security like smuggling and more.

    The infrastructure to quarantine every tractor trailer for 3 days on entering the country would mostly involve paving over hundreds of fields to turn into storage lots.

    Then it would involve nearly tripling the inventory of trailers so that other things could move while the current ones are parked.

    Then you would need to fence in, guard, and inventory catalog and map where everything is stored.

    Essentially imagine the landlocked version of the Vancouver / Montreal ports, but you have to build in a sprawl instead of vertical because you can’t stack trailers like containers and you can’t have semis using something vertical like a parking garage.

    I would much rather invest in our healthcare system or Indigenous services, both of which are dangerously underfunded, than this logistics thing you're bringing up. At least they have diverse benefits.

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  • Lost CanuckLost Canuck Asst. To the Regional Minister Swindon: A Terrible Place to Not LiveRegistered User regular
    Cross-posting this from the coronavirus update thread.

    Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau confirmed during a morning press conference that Trump wants to station soldiers near the Canada-US border.
    American government officials inside Donald Trump’s White House are actively discussing putting troops near the Canadian borders in light of U.S. border security concerns around the coronavirus pandemic, sources tell Global News.

    Few people cross from Canada into the United States at an unofficial point each year but the goal of the policy would be to help border guards detect irregular crossers, the sources said.

    https://globalnews.ca/news/6735064/coronavirus-militarizing-canada-us-border/

    Global News is a major Canadian news outlet.

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  • quovadis13quovadis13 Registered User regular
    Nobody wants to cross into the US now unless you absolutely have to.

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