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  • CorvusCorvus . VancouverRegistered User regular
    I can't imagine I'm the only Canadian who was ignorant of the fact that apparently we were base of operations for the Confederates in the US Civil War.

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  • darkmayodarkmayo Registered User regular
    edited June 2020
    Haven't seen any of the major news outlets report on this motion.. Vice did

    https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/pkyank/alberta-jason-kenney-considering-creating-civilian-militia-to-support-police

    The reading of the motion can be seen here as well as a response from NDP MLA Rod Loyola.

    http://assemblyonline.assembly.ab.ca/Harmony/en/PowerBrowser/PowerBrowserV2/20200622/-1/13938?fbclid=IwAR3j3IzR6GSw4MvnkJWNzZ8SbJRb1E3o-c83Li-SJf_kUUtayfwYzcSYf38 set time stamp at 3:50:54 to hear the reading.

    Motion wording is as such

    "Be it resolved that the Legislative Assembly urge the Minister of Justice and
    Solicitor General to explore options to establish a voluntary civilian corps to
    assist law enforcement in Alberta."

    What exactly would a voluntary civilian corp look like and what powers they may have was not mentioned but I share the same concerns that Rod Loyola brought up.


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  • Disco11Disco11 Registered User regular
    edited June 2020

    Did not see Alberta Militia on my 2020 bingo card

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  • Gnome-InterruptusGnome-Interruptus Registered User regular
    Corvus wrote: »
    I can't imagine I'm the only Canadian who was ignorant of the fact that apparently we were base of operations for the Confederates in the US Civil War.

    Interesting, I wonder how much of that support was out of a sense of agrievement for the War of Independence.

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  • PhyphorPhyphor Building Planet Busters Tasting FruitRegistered User regular
    Corvus wrote: »
    I can't imagine I'm the only Canadian who was ignorant of the fact that apparently we were base of operations for the Confederates in the US Civil War.

    Interesting, I wonder how much of that support was out of a sense of agrievement for the War of Independence.

    War of 1812 but probably a decent amount. They did burn down parts of York (Toronto) after all and basically try to annex both Canadas for a couple years. The real question is if the anti-American sentiment would have died down by the civil war, but it's not unlikely that the rebels would receive a better welcome

  • NosfNosf Registered User regular
    edited June 2020

    Apparently they tased him and hit him with a beanbag gun which didn't work; they were yelling at him in English ... which he didn't speak. Crisis teams were already on other calls - there's only two in operation in that area at a time. The family are arguing they should have been able to go speak to him, but that seems really naive when he was that escalated and in possession of a weapon, seems like a solid way to get someone stabbed. Curious to see what SIU winds up finding.

    'Asked if it would support calls to free up money from police budgets for more health-care-driven response teams, or removing police from the role of responding in crisis altogether, a spokesperson for Ontario's Minister of the Solicitor General pointed to $6.95 million in funding for new mobile crisis teams announced over the past year.'

    If $6.95m is province wide that feels embarrassingly low. We keep saying it shouldn't be the police responding to these things, but at the same time in cases where there's a weapon involved, you're probably going to have to have the police involved so a mental health worker doesn't wind up getting stabbed instead of the participant getting shot.

    edit: another one in BC too, with some video.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/kelowna-rcmp-surveillance-video-wellness-check-lawsuit-1.5623215

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  • CanadianWolverineCanadianWolverine Registered User regular
    Nosf wrote: »

    Apparently they tased him and hit him with a beanbag gun which didn't work; they were yelling at him in English ... which he didn't speak. Crisis teams were already on other calls - there's only two in operation in that area at a time. The family are arguing they should have been able to go speak to him, but that seems really naive when he was that escalated and in possession of a weapon, seems like a solid way to get someone stabbed. Curious to see what SIU winds up finding.

    'Asked if it would support calls to free up money from police budgets for more health-care-driven response teams, or removing police from the role of responding in crisis altogether, a spokesperson for Ontario's Minister of the Solicitor General pointed to $6.95 million in funding for new mobile crisis teams announced over the past year.'

    If $6.95m is province wide that feels embarrassingly low. We keep saying it shouldn't be the police responding to these things, but at the same time in cases where there's a weapon involved, you're probably going to have to have the police involved so a mental health worker doesn't wind up getting stabbed instead of the participant getting shot.

    edit: another one in BC too, with some video.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/kelowna-rcmp-surveillance-video-wellness-check-lawsuit-1.5623215

    I think they are just straight up belligerently using the wrong tool and also not waiting, like how freaking hard is it to just maintain distance till others arrive than taking another PoC's life in under 5 seconds after breaking in through the balcony instead of letting the family say calming words through the front door. Take them off the task they are so clearly failing at and take the funding for it too, move it to specialist mental health man trappers and shields. Like at this point, almost every day Joe's off the street are more qualified than the cops at not killing people on a wellness check, its sickening when one really starts to poke into this horrifying history in Canada.

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  • Gnome-InterruptusGnome-Interruptus Registered User regular
    A lot of these issues wouldn’t become one if the Police weren’t in such a hurry.

    The guy has a knife and is alone in his home? Just wait him out ffs

    I would rather gamble on the police trying to talk him out and he commits suicide, than them rushing in and putting everything and everyone at more risk.

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  • NosfNosf Registered User regular
    If they wait him out and he harms himself, which people often do, we're in a different kind of trouble. That said, shooting him with live ammo seemed pretty ... counter to the stated goal. Also, who came up with the idea of shields or man trappers. Does someone actually have some reliable research on using those, or is this just some weird idea?

  • ArcticLancerArcticLancer Best served chilled. Registered User regular
    They're definitely employed in other countries and seem entirely effective. The West just has a hard on for giving people guns.

  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    A lot of these issues wouldn’t become one if the Police weren’t in such a hurry.

    The guy has a knife and is alone in his home? Just wait him out ffs

    I would rather gamble on the police trying to talk him out and he commits suicide, than them rushing in and putting everything and everyone at more risk.

    I used to play broomball with an RCMP guy (or at least former RCMP, can't remember now if he was still working at the time) who talked about the dumb shit he'd had to deal with on some of his assignments. And I remember him describing one idiot basically getting drunk and taking his family hostage. And so they pull up at the front of his house at the end of the driveway and they are yelling at each other back and forth. And then they send someone around back and manage to sneak the wife and kid out the back door. And then they just ... waited. I remember him telling us, well, he was drunk, he's got a loaded gun, but there's no one else in the house with him anymore. so .... you just wait. He can't hurt anyone but himself, so why rush in? The whole story in fact was basically a joke about how they had to stay up all night waiting on this idiot and the guy fucking passed out on the couch at some point during the night and got to actually get some sleep.

    Beyond just "Why are cops doing wellness checks in the first place?" issues, so many of these situations really do seem like you could just get everyone else out of harm's way and then just fucking wait it out.

  • CanadianWolverineCanadianWolverine Registered User regular
    Nosf wrote: »
    If they wait him out and he harms himself, which people often do, we're in a different kind of trouble. That said, shooting him with live ammo seemed pretty ... counter to the stated goal. Also, who came up with the idea of shields or man trappers. Does someone actually have some reliable research on using those, or is this just some weird idea?

    Examples like these I have stumbled across is how I arrived at the idea:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4z-gzkb6s4

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEYbF7XCzAs

    I would welcome a western study on the subject but as you can tell, I've already gotten some notion they are effective. I don't know the exact origins but it seems to be a concept that has actually been around quite some time when it comes to dealing with an armed person.

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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    Ontario school curriculum update

    So they are adding financial education from grate 1 to 8 with a focus on budget-making, savings, and financial planning. And they're adding programming from grade 1, including a portion on data collection and analysis.

    This being the Ford alt-right government I expected a trap, but... those seem like really useful new things to teach that have been long overdue to add to the curriculum.

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  • NosfNosf Registered User regular
    We took finances in ... grade 10, 11, 12 when I was a kid? How to handle a mortgage etc? This was at a catholic school back in the 80s.

  • CorvusCorvus . VancouverRegistered User regular
    Welp, somehow I never figured out that the Columbia in British Columbia is in reference to Christopher Columbus. Time to change the name? I mean, both parts of the name are outdated and colonial.

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  • KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    Canadian Cascadia?

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  • MuzzmuzzMuzzmuzz Registered User regular
    But... if you teach kids about finances and programming at such a young age, they might commit white collar crime and hack into government databases!

  • quovadis13quovadis13 Registered User regular
    Now all the "They should have taught me how to balance a checkbook instead of trigonometry" people will realize that kids are going to pay as much attention to financial literacy in school as they would have in trigonometry.

  • BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    Muzzmuzz wrote: »
    But... if you teach kids about finances and programming at such a young age, they might commit white collar crime and hack into government databases!

    as a mouthpiece for the student credit card predatory loan industry, i must say that educating students about finances and budgeting sets a dangerous precedent and robs them of the opportunity to learn about unrecoverable debt firsthand

  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    Corvus wrote: »
    Welp, somehow I never figured out that the Columbia in British Columbia is in reference to Christopher Columbus. Time to change the name? I mean, both parts of the name are outdated and colonial.

    Can we just re-deidcate it? Peter Falk deserves a province named after him.

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  • SteelhawkSteelhawk Registered User regular
    edited June 2020
    Like in Superman III, siphoning away those fractions of cents? :)

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  • The Cow KingThe Cow King a island Registered User regular
    Gotta make sure the kids are ready for never ending austerity while the government continues to push for rates of return for their healthcare investments!

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  • Gnome-InterruptusGnome-Interruptus Registered User regular
    Nosf wrote: »
    If they wait him out and he harms himself, which people often do, we're in a different kind of trouble. That said, shooting him with live ammo seemed pretty ... counter to the stated goal. Also, who came up with the idea of shields or man trappers. Does someone actually have some reliable research on using those, or is this just some weird idea?

    Examples like these I have stumbled across is how I arrived at the idea:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4z-gzkb6s4

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEYbF7XCzAs

    I would welcome a western study on the subject but as you can tell, I've already gotten some notion they are effective. I don't know the exact origins but it seems to be a concept that has actually been around quite some time when it comes to dealing with an armed person.

    I’m less concerned with their effectiveness and more concerned with giving police another toy that they can use in place of communication, patience, and understanding.

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  • CorvusCorvus . VancouverRegistered User regular
    KetBra wrote: »
    Canadian Cascadia?

    Seems like it would be a good opportunity to get away from a two part name.

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  • KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    I mean, if we want to discard colonial names, there's a lot more work to do on that front as well, especially City names.

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  • ArcticLancerArcticLancer Best served chilled. Registered User regular
    Corvus wrote: »
    KetBra wrote: »
    Canadian Cascadia?

    Seems like it would be a good opportunity to get away from a two part name.
    Are you saying something about the Atlantic provinces?

  • CaedwyrCaedwyr Registered User regular
    At least it is a bit removed from a direct tribute to Columbus.

    Origin of the name British Columbia
    Origin of the name

    The southern part of the area now known as British Columbia was called “Columbia”, after the Columbia River. The central region was given the name of “New Caledonia” by explorer Simon Fraser. To avoid confusion with Colombia in South America and the island of New Caledonia in the Pacific Ocean, Queen Victoria named the area British Columbia when it became a colony in 1858.

    Origin of the Columbia River name
    Originally called “Rio de San Roque” by Spanish explorers, in 1792 the river was renamed “Columbia” by Boston fur trader Robert Gray, who named it after his ship.

    Columbia Reiviva
    Columbia Rediviva (commonly known as Columbia) was a privately owned ship under the command of John Kendrick, along with Captain Robert Gray, best known for going to the Pacific Northwest for the maritime fur trade. "Rediviva" (Latin "revived") was added to her name upon a rebuilding in 1787. Since Columbia was privately owned, she did not carry the prefix designation "USS".

    Legacy
    • In 1958, a full-scale replica of the ship opened as an attraction, named "Sailing Ship Columbia", in Frontierland at Walt Disney's Magic Kingdom of Disneyland, and the three-masted vessel continues to ply the Rivers of America there most days of the year. Contained within the hull is "Below Decks", which is an exhibit of nautical artifacts from the 18th Century that passengers can visit while on board.
    • In July, 1969, the name was used for the Apollo 11 Command Module Columbia, the mission which landed humans on the Moon for the first time.
    • In 1981, the name was re-used for the Space Shuttle Columbia by NASA.

  • The Cow KingThe Cow King a island Registered User regular
    Just for areas of land mass and rivers they had names before Europeans came over and named em after resource extraction techniques

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  • CaedwyrCaedwyr Registered User regular
    We should consider calling the province the main runner-up choice when the Northwest Territory was being renamed following the split into Nunavut and Northwest Territory.
    Wikipedia wrote:
    There was some discussion of changing the name of the Northwest Territories after the splitting off of Nunavut, possibly to a term from an Indigenous language. One proposal was "Denendeh," as advocated by the former premier Stephen Kakfwi, among others. One of the most popular proposals for a new name—to name the territory "Bob"—began as a prank, but for a while it was at or near the top in the public-opinion polls.

  • ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    We should make California change its name to Baritone California, and BC can be Soprano California.

    Rename Baja California to Bass California, and Oregon and Washington are now combined into Alto California.

    This plan is simple and orderly and paves the way to a unified Left Coast.

  • Nova_CNova_C I have the need The need for speedRegistered User regular
    Shivahn wrote: »
    We should make California change its name to Baritone California, and BC can be Soprano California.

    Rename Baja California to Bass California, and Oregon and Washington are now combined into Alto California.

    This plan is simple and orderly and paves the way to a unified Left Coast.

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  • CorvusCorvus . VancouverRegistered User regular
    Corvus wrote: »
    KetBra wrote: »
    Canadian Cascadia?

    Seems like it would be a good opportunity to get away from a two part name.
    Are you saying something about the Atlantic provinces?

    Lol.

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  • mrondeaumrondeau Montréal, CanadaRegistered User regular
    I don't know why the people of Acipenseridae Minor and Mexico would want to lower their standard of living by joining with parts of the US.

    Also, using something from the First Nations is right out, 'cause there's more than one. As exemplified by the fact that the Fraser river has multiple names, and I had to use the good old trick of using the Latin translation of the meaning of one of them to solve conflict between languages.

    (Acipenseridae Minor means "First things you traverse when travelling on the sturgeon river")

  • CaedwyrCaedwyr Registered User regular
    Corvus wrote: »
    KetBra wrote: »
    Canadian Cascadia?

    Seems like it would be a good opportunity to get away from a two part name.
    Are you saying something about the Atlantic provinces?

    Prince Edward Island needs to get with the "New" picture already. Maybe go with "Baby Prince Edward Island"?

  • CanadianWolverineCanadianWolverine Registered User regular
    Corvus wrote: »
    Welp, somehow I never figured out that the Columbia in British Columbia is in reference to Christopher Columbus. Time to change the name? I mean, both parts of the name are outdated and colonial.

    Salish-Shidhe Council
    Curious how many people get this reference.

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  • Nova_CNova_C I have the need The need for speedRegistered User regular
    Corvus wrote: »
    Welp, somehow I never figured out that the Columbia in British Columbia is in reference to Christopher Columbus. Time to change the name? I mean, both parts of the name are outdated and colonial.

    Salish-Shidhe Council
    Curious how many people get this reference.

    Was never part of that community (I googled it).

    Question: Is Shidhe pronounced the same as Sidhe?

  • CaedwyrCaedwyr Registered User regular
    edited June 2020
    At first I thought it was a pun on the Salish Sea instead of the Strait of Georgia.

    Then I looked it up, and of course, Shadowrun:

    https://shadowrun.fandom.com/wiki/Salish-Shidhe_Council

    latest?cb=20120416112139&path-prefix=en

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  • RichyRichy Registered User regular
    Caedwyr wrote: »
    We should consider calling the province the main runner-up choice when the Northwest Territory was being renamed following the split into Nunavut and Northwest Territory.
    Wikipedia wrote:
    There was some discussion of changing the name of the Northwest Territories after the splitting off of Nunavut, possibly to a term from an Indigenous language. One proposal was "Denendeh," as advocated by the former premier Stephen Kakfwi, among others. One of the most popular proposals for a new name—to name the territory "Bob"—began as a prank, but for a while it was at or near the top in the public-opinion polls.

    The Provincy McProvinceface of the 90s.

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