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  • ObiFettObiFett Use the Force As You WishRegistered User regular
    I watch lots of stuff on my phone at night in bed while trying to go to sleep while my wife is sleeping and I can't turn on the tv.

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  • SmurphSmurph Registered User regular
    All of these Hollywood people complaining about streaming are probably used to screenings at some of the best theaters in the world. They aren't going to the mall multiplex with the dim bulb, the stain on that one part of the screen, the speakers that cut out and that one house light that never turns all the way off but flickers the whole time. Not to mention half the crowd having their bright ass cell phone out during the movie. My home TV is going to give me a better experience for like 80% of movies.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited December 3
    As much as I enjoy like For a Few Dollars more or GBU's music. I still think my favorite Morricone theme is Two Mules for Sister Sara.



    I think it fits the story of the movie in ways the other themes while fantastic just don't. And I want to say that Tarantino used it in Django so its not just me...

    I also think Two Mules is one of Eastwood's underrated westerns. Its just a good funny movie and Shirley Maclaine kills it as Sara. This holiday season share the gift of two mules with someone you tolerate.

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  • A Half Eaten OreoA Half Eaten Oreo Registered User regular
    I don't like watching long content on my phone because of the ergonomics that are usually involved. But I don't get why visual quality would be an issue, in general the phone/ipad is close enough to my face that the actual visuals look better than on most couch to TV setups.

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  • ArchangleArchangle Registered User regular
    Bogart wrote: »
    Also the lol Scorsese is old reaction is about as compelling a take as any lol millennials take you can think of. He’s Martin Scorsese and knows more about films than basically everybody else alive.
    Scorsese knows more about directing films than basically everybody else alive (possibly).

    I'm pretty confident that there are aspects of filmmaking, such as marketing, cgi, and licensing, of which he is perfectly happy to delegate and remain ignorant so he can focus on what he does best.

    Hell, I'd be willing to bet money that posters in this thread could beat Scorsese at a pub movie trivia night.

    He's a legendary director, but that doesn't mean he's the unfallible authority on all things film related.

  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    Certainly not

    Should be noted Scorsese is also a world class film historian though

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  • ArchangleArchangle Registered User regular
    Certainly not

    Should be noted Scorsese is also a world class film historian though
    But can he name every song used in the Guardians of the Galaxy soundtrack?

    What I'm trying to say is that if I wanted to know about shot composition, weaving of narrative threads, and getting the best performance from an actor - he would absolutely be top of the list.

    If I wanted to know about media consumption trends across a rapidly-changing ecosystem of digital content and shifting demographic and societal values, I'm willing to listen but on balance might favour other opinions.

  • ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    I'm not going to tell other people how they should or shouldn't watch movies, because you do you and all.

    But I would definitely not watch a movie I have never seen before on a phone or tablet, because for me it detracts from the experience. I need to watch it in a theater or on my TV. There are aspects of the film - color, compositing, fine details - that will not show up on my phone, and which are (if made by a filmmaker who isn't incompetent) integral to the experience, and I would consider watching a movie on my phone a bit like reading the Cliffs Notes summary of a book.

    That said, I am a cinema junkie with a 60" 4K television and decent surround sound, so i'm not exactly the status quo (which, again, is why I don't judge). But I once watched an episode of Bojack on my phone and it was small and sad and I hated it.

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  • ArchangleArchangle Registered User regular
    I am perfectly happy to take my phone and a Bluetooth speaker and watch disposable comedies while having a bubble bath.

    Oh, and a rubber duckie (of course).

  • KaputaKaputa Registered User regular
    I'm fine with an artist telling me how they want their work to be experienced and am surprised that this provokes ire. Bela Tarr said I had to watch all 7+ hours of Satantango at once and he was totally right.

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  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    I'm not going to tell other people how they should or shouldn't watch movies, because you do you and all.

    But I would definitely not watch a movie I have never seen before on a phone or tablet, because for me it detracts from the experience. I need to watch it in a theater or on my TV. There are aspects of the film - color, compositing, fine details - that will not show up on my phone, and which are (if made by a filmmaker who isn't incompetent) integral to the experience, and I would consider watching a movie on my phone a bit like reading the Cliffs Notes summary of a book.

    That said, I am a cinema junkie with a 60" 4K television and decent surround sound, so i'm not exactly the status quo (which, again, is why I don't judge). But I once watched an episode of Bojack on my phone and it was small and sad and I hated it.

    I mean...I still haven't seen SuperTroopers 2. I plan on watching it at some point. I frankly think that's the kind of movie I don't want to waste "home time" watching. Honestly, I think it would be fine - and prepare to be horrified right now - to split the movie across 3-4 different commutes spanning 2 days. I mean like I'll watch the first ~20-25 minutes going to work, then the next 20-25 coming home, then forget about it until the next day, and then do that again going and coming back.

    *shrug*

  • Atlas in ChainsAtlas in Chains Registered User regular
    Drez wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    I'm not going to tell other people how they should or shouldn't watch movies, because you do you and all.

    But I would definitely not watch a movie I have never seen before on a phone or tablet, because for me it detracts from the experience. I need to watch it in a theater or on my TV. There are aspects of the film - color, compositing, fine details - that will not show up on my phone, and which are (if made by a filmmaker who isn't incompetent) integral to the experience, and I would consider watching a movie on my phone a bit like reading the Cliffs Notes summary of a book.

    That said, I am a cinema junkie with a 60" 4K television and decent surround sound, so i'm not exactly the status quo (which, again, is why I don't judge). But I once watched an episode of Bojack on my phone and it was small and sad and I hated it.

    I mean...I still haven't seen SuperTroopers 2. I plan on watching it at some point.

    As plans go, that's a bad one. I like every Broken Lizard movie to some extent, with the exception of SuperTroopers 2. It's got nothing going for it.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    Actually, splitting a movie across a couple days doesn't bother me anymore. Fifteen years of parenting taught me that when you never have longer than 60 contiguous minutes during which to watch anything, you break movies up or you stop watching movies.

    The Irishman took me three sittings.

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  • KaputaKaputa Registered User regular
    edited December 3
    I feel like I'm the only person in the world who hates Arrival.

    The art direction or whatever it's called, the pacing, and the basic concept are all amazing.
    The actual story is super stupid.
    I just watched this on Sunday because the debate in this thread and one poster's comparison to Tarkovsky's Solaris (one of my favorite sci-fi films) made me curious. I pretty much agree with your opinion.
    I liked all the scenes depicting attempts to communicate, with the exception of the somewhat unnecessary explosion scene. I loved the way the alien writing looked. And I agree that the general concept was cool. Unlike some others in the thread I was fine with the somewhat unrealistic take on language and neurology,; it made for a cool movie idea.

    But do we really need to do the "stubborn military wants to destroy the alien while scientist desperately tries to persuade them otherwise" plot again? Complete with a painfully Hollywood countdown scene for the climax? It felt so cliched.

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  • AtheraalAtheraal Registered User regular
    I don't have a TV. You gonna buy me a TV, Scorsese? No? Feel free to shut the fuck up then.

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  • BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Fighting The Rising Odds Registered User, Moderator mod
    I'm in favour of a constitutional amendment to allow Martin Scorsese to go into the homes of people watching The Irishman on a phone and break their fingers with a ballpeen hammer the way De Niro does to that guy he finds cheating in Casino.

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  • SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Registered User regular
    I will never understand the concept in leisure activities of trying to tell someone who is perfectly content doing something one way that what they're doing is wrong.

    Who has the fucking time?

  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    I will never understand the concept in leisure activities of trying to tell someone who is perfectly content doing something one way that what they're doing is wrong.

    Who has the fucking time?

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  • BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Fighting The Rising Odds Registered User, Moderator mod
    I am baffled by people who cannot believe that the guy who spent years of his life making a labour of love would want people to experience that labour of love in the best way he knows to get the full effect, and might perhaps venture a mild statement to that effect. Or even a strong one!

    I mean sure you can disagree and say actually I will watch Dunkirk on this reflection of a smart watch under neon lighting while playing Candy Crush or whatever thank you very much but the how dare you with which some people seem to react to Scorsese saying this is very odd.

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  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    emnmnme wrote: »
    I will never understand the concept in leisure activities of trying to tell someone who is perfectly content doing something one way that what they're doing is wrong.

    Who has the fucking time?

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    Now, are you still sure you don't understand this overpowering urge to correct others?

    That's how I held the N64 controller all through my childhood though.

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  • SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Registered User regular
    Bogart wrote: »
    I am baffled by people who cannot believe that the guy who spent years of his life making a labour of love would want people to experience that labour of love in the best way he knows to get the full effect, and might perhaps venture a mild statement to that effect. Or even a strong one!

    I mean sure you can disagree and say actually I will watch Dunkirk on this reflection of a smart watch under neon lighting while playing Candy Crush or whatever thank you very much but the how dare you with which some people seem to react to Scorsese saying this is very odd.

    He can say whatever he wants. It still has about the same impact on me as if he had, say, farted in an empty room.
    Scorsese's ability to masterfully craft movies has no impact on how I can enjoy them.

  • DiannaoChongDiannaoChong Registered User regular
    edited December 3
    I think as a creator one of my biggest fears is not being able to control how my work is being consumed, and interpreted. I'm not going to stand here and say I make high art or anything worthwhile, but its something that gnaws at me. I hope what I make doesn't get adopted like pepe did by bigots. But I hope that it can be seen in an intended way, and that there is (sometimes) a 'correct' one. I think this is a problem that comes up in other forms for art: in a restoration process, when do you stop adjusting the work? If a statue crumbles, we don't super glue it back together, we try to preserve what remains to the best of our abilities. that said, art doesn't stop being art when someone else changes the scope, or modifies the work. George Lucas changing star wars at different points changes the message of the movie on more than a intended level, to generate conversation about the effects of capitalism on art. Just as the phantom edit does a lot to criticize and show love for the first prequel.

    I think of kubriks response a lot when someone wrote to him about Dr Strangelove. He asking him if the movie was about gender relations, his response was more or less that his work is up to the viewers individual interpretation, and he didn't want to tarnish that with confirming or denying anything. I think this is a little bit of a cop out, but I can understand that stance. By not letting us behind the curtain for intention, we have to let it stand for itself.

    That said, if your work can't stand up because its on a phone instead of a TV, you should probably phrase it 'I intended...' instead of a 'old man yells at cloud' statement. You also walked into that deal fucking knowing the platform worked on phones and thats how people can use the platform. My understanding is he took that money and knew the limitations of the medium he created for, but didn't bother to adjust the work to accommodate for it.

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  • BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Fighting The Rising Odds Registered User, Moderator mod
    Scorsese always shoots his films for a cinema. It would be impossible to shoot for every medium simultaneously and "well you didn't consider phones" is not, for me, a compelling criticism.

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  • AstaerethAstaereth In the belly of the beastRegistered User regular
    Kubrick was also notorious for going to individual theaters to complain about the exact visual and audio conditions of screenings, so he definitely cared about audiences seeing his films exactly as he intended. I imagine he would not be happy with people watching 2001 on their phone.

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  • DiannaoChongDiannaoChong Registered User regular
    Bogart wrote: »
    Scorsese always shoots his films for a cinema. It would be impossible to shoot for every medium simultaneously and "well you didn't consider phones" is not, for me, a compelling criticism.
    Astaereth wrote: »
    Kubrick was also notorious for going to individual theaters to complain about the exact visual and audio conditions of screenings, so he definitely cared about audiences seeing his films exactly as he intended. I imagine he would not be happy with people watching 2001 on their phone.

    Were not talking about kubrik not being able to predict cell phones as media players here. You go to an art show during the day, people made art for that art show knowing it would be open 24/7. a creator then goes "yeah you shouldn't look at my art during the day, you saw it wrong", and you took up space(and money) that could have been given to other artists, the response is going to be 'thats really pretentious as shit and you knew this would be open 24/7 ahead of time'.

    And the same goes for kubrik, I think its fair to criticize a theater anywhere for shitty focus and audio issues and still say work is open to interpretation. Was he walking in and going 'my movie has to be played at x volume of normal to be shown correctly', or was he mad at lazy curation?

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  • Johnny ChopsockyJohnny Chopsocky Scootaloo! We have to cook! Grillin' HaysenburgersRegistered User regular
    The problems I personally have with watching an entire movie or other long-form entertainment on a phone are 1) I would find that very uncomfortable and 2) I wouldn't feel like I actually watched it. It'd feel like a podcast rather than a movie to me, and if afterwards I said "yeah I watched that" to someone my mind goblins would scream that I was a liar.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Bogart wrote: »
    I am baffled by people who cannot believe that the guy who spent years of his life making a labour of love would want people to experience that labour of love in the best way he knows to get the full effect, and might perhaps venture a mild statement to that effect. Or even a strong one!

    I mean sure you can disagree and say actually I will watch Dunkirk on this reflection of a smart watch under neon lighting while playing Candy Crush or whatever thank you very much but the how dare you with which some people seem to react to Scorsese saying this is very odd.

    He can say whatever he wants. It still has about the same impact on me as if he had, say, farted in an empty room.
    Scorsese's ability to masterfully craft movies has no impact on how I can enjoy them.

    And yet, demonstratively, this is not true for like at least half the thread here and seemingly half the internet too. Cause we've had like multiple pages now or people getting their dander up because Scorsese's opinion here is apparently very important and also he insulted them and ran over their dog after he said he'd rather you didn't watch his movie on a phone.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Astaereth wrote: »
    Kubrick was also notorious for going to individual theaters to complain about the exact visual and audio conditions of screenings, so he definitely cared about audiences seeing his films exactly as he intended. I imagine he would not be happy with people watching 2001 on their phone.

    Lucas started THX (which at the time was essentially a standard for the movie theatre itself) to ensure everyone watched and more importantly heard Star Wars (and other movies) properly.

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus premium Registered User regular
    Even watching on like a 60" TV is different than seeing on a full theater screen. The size of the picture absolutely makes a difference in how you process the images being presented. Scale and scene blocking are more effective when the viewer has to make more effort to visually take it all in. Yes, having to move your eyes a little more is more effort.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Even watching on like a 60" TV is different than seeing on a full theater screen. The size of the picture absolutely makes a difference in how you process the images being presented. Scale and scene blocking are more effective when the viewer has to make more effort to visually take it all in. Yes, having to move your eyes a little more is more effort.

    see - IMAX vs a normal theatre screen

    You get the same thing with sound. Being able to crank up the sound till the soundtrack is like enveloping you can really make a difference.

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  • Smaug6Smaug6 Registered User regular
    Astaereth wrote: »
    I'm not equating returns with art. I'm equating returns with what studios will fund. And we're at the point where studios won't fund something that doesn't bring returns. And that there are growing, viable alternatives out there that Scorsese bitching about streaming won't help.

    Studios prefer to make one movie a year that costs a billion dollars and makes two billion dollars over making 100 movies that collectively cost a billion dollars and collectively make two billion dollars

    That makes financial sense for them because it minimizes risk, but I personally as a filmgoer would have 100 riskier movies get made and screened than have one mediocre movie that plays everywhere

    There’s a difference between the studio output we used to have, which balanced profitability with the pursuit of art, and the studio output we have now, which maximizes profitability over all other concerns. Both systems had financial motives, but today’s system is single-mindedly capitalistic in a way that hurts everybody.

    Thats the opposite of minimizing risk.

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  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    I will never understand the concept in leisure activities of trying to tell someone who is perfectly content doing something one way that what they're doing is wrong.

    Who has the fucking time?

    It’s 9:28 AM.

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  • SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Registered User regular
    Drez wrote: »
    I will never understand the concept in leisure activities of trying to tell someone who is perfectly content doing something one way that what they're doing is wrong.

    Who has the fucking time?

    It’s 9:28 AM.

    Much like how all of this is a matter of perspective, it's actually 11:02. :biggrin:

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  • DocshiftyDocshifty Registered User regular
    Drez wrote: »
    I will never understand the concept in leisure activities of trying to tell someone who is perfectly content doing something one way that what they're doing is wrong.

    Who has the fucking time?

    It’s 9:28 AM.

    Much like how all of this is a matter of perspective, it's actually 11:02. :biggrin:

    Sounds like you haven't set your clocks back yet.

  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    Bogart wrote: »
    I am baffled by people who cannot believe that the guy who spent years of his life making a labour of love would want people to experience that labour of love in the best way he knows to get the full effect, and might perhaps venture a mild statement to that effect. Or even a strong one!

    I mean sure you can disagree and say actually I will watch Dunkirk on this reflection of a smart watch under neon lighting while playing Candy Crush or whatever thank you very much but the how dare you with which some people seem to react to Scorsese saying this is very odd.

    Exactly. for you a movie is 2 hours of killing time

    for a director that's thousands of hours of work that took over their lives for literally years.

    Even if you don't agree with them have a little perspective here

  • SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Registered User regular
    Bogart wrote: »
    I am baffled by people who cannot believe that the guy who spent years of his life making a labour of love would want people to experience that labour of love in the best way he knows to get the full effect, and might perhaps venture a mild statement to that effect. Or even a strong one!

    I mean sure you can disagree and say actually I will watch Dunkirk on this reflection of a smart watch under neon lighting while playing Candy Crush or whatever thank you very much but the how dare you with which some people seem to react to Scorsese saying this is very odd.

    Exactly. for you a movie is 2 hours of killing time

    for a director that's thousands of hours of work that took over their lives for literally years.

    Even if you don't agree with them have a little perspective here

    I think that last part goes both ways. For the most part it's unreasonable for the artist to dictate the terms in which their art will be consumed.

    Both sides are totally correct.

  • BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Fighting The Rising Odds Registered User, Moderator mod
    He isn't dictating terms. You can watch the damn thing however you please. He's asking, he even said please, that you watch it the best way he knows how to get the full impact.

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  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    All said, I preordered my tickets for The Final Skyjedi for 12/26 with my father and sister in IMAX 3D.

    I mean I’d rather watch it on my phone but I suppose I’ll have to suffer through watching it on a large screen with the full cinema experience this time.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Bogart wrote: »
    I am baffled by people who cannot believe that the guy who spent years of his life making a labour of love would want people to experience that labour of love in the best way he knows to get the full effect, and might perhaps venture a mild statement to that effect. Or even a strong one!

    I mean sure you can disagree and say actually I will watch Dunkirk on this reflection of a smart watch under neon lighting while playing Candy Crush or whatever thank you very much but the how dare you with which some people seem to react to Scorsese saying this is very odd.

    Exactly. for you a movie is 2 hours of killing time

    for a director that's thousands of hours of work that took over their lives for literally years.

    Even if you don't agree with them have a little perspective here

    I think that last part goes both ways. For the most part it's unreasonable for the artist to dictate the terms in which their art will be consumed.

    Both sides are totally correct.

    If by "dictate" you actually meant "venture his opinion on", which is what actually happened, then no, that's not at all unreasonable.

    The only thing unreasonable is acting personally aggrieved that the director did so.

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  • SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Registered User regular
    I'm not speaking specifically of Scorsese which is why I didn't use his name. Just speaking broadly on the topic of the ownership of one's art.
    Of course it's fine to ask something but if you start dictating terms or going from theater to theater like Kubrick did you're probably being a bit unreasonable.

    Either way, the opinion shouldn't really aggrieve anybody.

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