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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    CNN reporter Dan Dale spends way too much time looking for the source of Trump's nonsense and found a later one.



    He could not find a source for the claim Reeves was down double digits before winning the Mississippi gubernatorial race.

  • never dienever die Registered User regular
    edited November 6
    PantsB wrote: »
    Cook Report analyst setting expectations before results, and puts us between good and "better than expected"





    never die wrote: »
    A lot of my Kentucky based friends are ecstatic tonight, due to Beshear winning.

    For Indiana, we have Democrat’s winning seats in the Carmel-Fishers area in Northern Indianapolis, for the first time in 30 years. That area has been a Arepublican stronghold until now.

    The suburbs swinging to D even in red states would screw up all the electoral preconceptions. Basically all of Northern Virginia is now blue at the state and federal level, when 20 years ago that would have been crazy talk

    Totally. And the area I’m mentioning was the WASPiest of the Indy suburbs, affluent white flight area for a long time. Their kids are swinging more progressive and more progressive people that are more well off have been moving there for awhile now (as the town/suburbs are very nice, due to all the money put into them). It’s very exciting.

    Edit: oh also for the Indianapolis Marion City-County Council, the Dems gained six seats, four of which were gained by LGBTQ+ candidates.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    CNN reporter Dan Dale spends way too much time looking for the source of Trump's nonsense and found a later one.



    He could not find a source for the claim Reeves was down double digits before winning the Mississippi gubernatorial race.


    Wait they're claiming the Miss Governor Republican candidate was down by double digits at some point?

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  • SyphonBlueSyphonBlue Registered User regular
    Taramoor wrote: »
    chrisnl wrote: »
    What, exactly, would a "contested election" in Kentucky mean? That they just ignore a result they don't like?

    https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/2019/11/06/beshear-vs-bevin-legislature-could-decide-race-senate-president-says/4174103002/

    Judging from this:
    Stivers said he thought Bevin’s speech declining to concede to Beshear was “appropriate.” He said believes most of the votes that went to Libertarian John Hicks, who received about 2% of the total vote, would have gone to Bevin and made him the clear winner.

    It means Bevin is going to win.

    Stivers is the Senate President, btw. So yes, the Republicans are going to try and give one candidate's votes to another candidate.

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  • MazzyxMazzyx Comedy Gold Registered User regular
    So looking at Prop CC in Colorado it was an interesting breakdown of counties who tried to vote for it. Denver and Boulder are no surprise. But also all the Mountain counties who tend to depend on state funds the most.

    Prop CC is tied to "The Tax Payers Bill of Rights" aka TABOR in Colorado which was a amendment to the state constitution passed in the 90's. It limits the states max spending per year and all revenue collected above that limit must be returned. The goal of CC was to allow the state government to use and keep the revenue it is already collecting. Something that is really needed as TABOR has choked the state government a lot on what it can do. This can be especially hard on rural areas but also the school system as the majority of funding to schools isn't local property taxes but instead a State fund set up in the 80's during a massive recession so that the rural areas didn't lose all their schools.

    Funny thing is TABOR is not popular but due to changes and a few other things it is near impossible to remove at the moment and getting at parts of it like this is hard because it is easy to message it as a tax increase or the government taking your refund. Though you already paid those taxes and your take home doesn't usually change a lot upfront.

    Fun fact about TABOR, its author went to jail for tax fraud and evasion.

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  • reVersereVerse Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    CNN reporter Dan Dale spends way too much time looking for the source of Trump's nonsense and found a later one.



    He could not find a source for the claim Reeves was down double digits before winning the Mississippi gubernatorial race.


    Wait they're claiming the Miss Governor Republican candidate was down by double digits at some point?

    It makes "the Trump effect" seem biglier.

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  • MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    We passed education referendums to build some new schools and the swimming team will get a pool and I am very glad.


    The city is over 120k people and these things were decided by less than ten thousand people.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    Taramoor wrote: »
    chrisnl wrote: »
    What, exactly, would a "contested election" in Kentucky mean? That they just ignore a result they don't like?

    https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/2019/11/06/beshear-vs-bevin-legislature-could-decide-race-senate-president-says/4174103002/

    Judging from this:
    Stivers said he thought Bevin’s speech declining to concede to Beshear was “appropriate.” He said believes most of the votes that went to Libertarian John Hicks, who received about 2% of the total vote, would have gone to Bevin and made him the clear winner.

    It means Bevin is going to win.

    Stivers is the Senate President, btw. So yes, the Republicans are going to try and give one candidate's votes to another candidate.

    It's worth pointing out that just because he's saying it could come before the legislature doesn't mean he's right, especially considering that everything I've read notes that there is no automatic recount - Bevin's got to pony up for this.

    But beyond that, what do they think they'll get out of saving Bevin? He's been the most unpopular governor in the US, and would become even more of a millstone if the legislature installs him.

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  • Jealous DevaJealous Deva Registered User regular
    edited November 6
    reVerse wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    CNN reporter Dan Dale spends way too much time looking for the source of Trump's nonsense and found a later one.



    He could not find a source for the claim Reeves was down double digits before winning the Mississippi gubernatorial race.


    Wait they're claiming the Miss Governor Republican candidate was down by double digits at some point?

    It makes "the Trump effect" seem biglier.

    Its kind of like in the days of the Roman empire, where in peacetime they would describe some random central European barbarian tribe as basically being primitive nomads living in mud huts and then as soon as Rome went to war with them they were the most vicious hard fightingest bastards that ever lived with roman equivalent weapons and organization, and they gave a brutal fight but the Romans overcame it at all odds (when the truth was probably somewhere in between).

    Talk up your opponent after a win because then you look like a bigger winner for beating them. “Trump helped someone beat a guy they could have beat trivially alone” isn’t much of a story.

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  • CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
    edited November 6
    MegaMan001 wrote: »
    We passed education referendums to build some new schools and the swimming team will get a pool and I am very glad.


    The city is over 120k people and these things were decided by less than ten thousand people.

    Those who turn up get to decide things. (Also kids don't get to vote but do count as population)

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    reVerse wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    CNN reporter Dan Dale spends way too much time looking for the source of Trump's nonsense and found a later one.



    He could not find a source for the claim Reeves was down double digits before winning the Mississippi gubernatorial race.


    Wait they're claiming the Miss Governor Republican candidate was down by double digits at some point?

    It makes "the Trump effect" seem biglier.

    Its kind of like in the days of the Roman empire, where in peacetime they would describe some random central European barbarian tribe as basically being primitive nomads living in mud huts and then as soon as Rome went to war with them they were the most vicious hard fightingest bastards that ever lived with roman equivalent weapons and organization, and they gave a brutal fight but the Romans overcame it at all odds (when the truth was probably somewhere in between).

    Talk up your opponent after a win because then you look like a bigger winner for beating them. “Trump helped someone beat a guy they could have beat trivially alone” isn’t much of a story.

    If you are a Republican and you are resorting to bragging about winning Mississippi, you had a bad night.

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. 5386-8443-8937Registered User regular
    Sleeping on it and somehow waking even more enraged by WA elections. When business interests want someone in a red state who'll be their stooge they have them talk about God and then cut taxes. When its a blue state they find someone who will tall about how much they love diversity and then cut taxes and it fucking works.

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  • MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    Taramoor wrote: »
    chrisnl wrote: »
    What, exactly, would a "contested election" in Kentucky mean? That they just ignore a result they don't like?

    https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/2019/11/06/beshear-vs-bevin-legislature-could-decide-race-senate-president-says/4174103002/

    Judging from this:
    Stivers said he thought Bevin’s speech declining to concede to Beshear was “appropriate.” He said believes most of the votes that went to Libertarian John Hicks, who received about 2% of the total vote, would have gone to Bevin and made him the clear winner.

    It means Bevin is going to win.

    Stivers is the Senate President, btw. So yes, the Republicans are going to try and give one candidate's votes to another candidate.

    It's worth pointing out that just because he's saying it could come before the legislature doesn't mean he's right, especially considering that everything I've read notes that there is no automatic recount - Bevin's got to pony up for this.

    But beyond that, what do they think they'll get out of saving Bevin? He's been the most unpopular governor in the US, and would become even more of a millstone if the legislature installs him.

    And it'd be saying out loud, that Republicans don't give a shit about democracy or rule of law.

    I mean.... we know they don't. They've made that abundantly clear to anyone paying attention. But they've usually hidden it under the sheerest veneer of "respectability".

    This wouldn't be that.

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  • 38thDoe38thDoe lets never be stupid again wait lets always be stupid foreverRegistered User regular
    Sleeping on it and somehow waking even more enraged by WA elections. When business interests want someone in a red state who'll be their stooge they have them talk about God and then cut taxes. When its a blue state they find someone who will tall about how much they love diversity and then cut taxes and it fucking works.

    What is the background here?



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  • LadaiLadai Registered User regular
    edited November 6
    Knight_ wrote: »
    philadelphia elected someone from the working families party for one of our 2 reserved non-majority party at-large council seats, which is exciting.

    also in delco, the democrats swept the elections there, county controlled by democrats in the first time since forever and combined with the 2 wins last election, they hold the entire council. possible good news for '20 since philly suburbs are where we're gonna have to win PA in presidential elections going forward.

    our dumb marsy's law measure will pass if the courts allow it, but currently the state supreme court said it if it goes in it will immediately possibly violate the constitutional rights of the accused, so they're not counting it until the legal battle is done. hope it gets struck, because marsy's law is absolute unconstitutional trashgarbage and putting it in the pa constitution would be a true embarassment.

    Just want to emphasize how big of a deal this is for the philly suburbs.

    Depending on which local news article you read, the Democrats haven't controlled the Delaware County Council since either a) the Civil War, or b) ever in its history. They now hold all five seats.

    Over in Bucks County, another philly suburb, the Democrats took control of the county government for the first time in more than 30 years.

    Also just want to give a big hell yeah to Kendra Brooks (Working Families Party) getting a seat on the Philly city council. Also also: It's the first time in the modern city charter's ~100-year history that one of the two seats reserved for a minority party will go to a non-Republican.

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  • QuidQuid I don't... what... hnnng Registered User regular
    38thDoe wrote: »
    Sleeping on it and somehow waking even more enraged by WA elections. When business interests want someone in a red state who'll be their stooge they have them talk about God and then cut taxes. When its a blue state they find someone who will tall about how much they love diversity and then cut taxes and it fucking works.

    What is the background here?

    WA had a proposal that capped car tags at $30 and forbid raising it.

    Those taxes go to funding public transit that WA also heavily favors.

    We also have no state income tax.

    Our state is really stupid about taxes.

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. 5386-8443-8937Registered User regular
    38thDoe wrote: »
    Sleeping on it and somehow waking even more enraged by WA elections. When business interests want someone in a red state who'll be their stooge they have them talk about God and then cut taxes. When its a blue state they find someone who will tall about how much they love diversity and then cut taxes and it fucking works.

    What is the background here?

    Bad night for progressive politicians in WA who were seeking more taxes on Amazon and have gone down to a series of ostensibly progressive politicians who will do their donor's bidding.

    A lot of them were running "diversity makes seattle great!" campaigns while running against shit like funding homeless shelters.

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  • TaramoorTaramoor Storyteller Registered User regular
    MorganV wrote: »
    SyphonBlue wrote: »
    Taramoor wrote: »
    chrisnl wrote: »
    What, exactly, would a "contested election" in Kentucky mean? That they just ignore a result they don't like?

    https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/2019/11/06/beshear-vs-bevin-legislature-could-decide-race-senate-president-says/4174103002/

    Judging from this:
    Stivers said he thought Bevin’s speech declining to concede to Beshear was “appropriate.” He said believes most of the votes that went to Libertarian John Hicks, who received about 2% of the total vote, would have gone to Bevin and made him the clear winner.

    It means Bevin is going to win.

    Stivers is the Senate President, btw. So yes, the Republicans are going to try and give one candidate's votes to another candidate.

    It's worth pointing out that just because he's saying it could come before the legislature doesn't mean he's right, especially considering that everything I've read notes that there is no automatic recount - Bevin's got to pony up for this.

    But beyond that, what do they think they'll get out of saving Bevin? He's been the most unpopular governor in the US, and would become even more of a millstone if the legislature installs him.

    And it'd be saying out loud, that Republicans don't give a shit about democracy or rule of law.

    I mean.... we know they don't. They've made that abundantly clear to anyone paying attention. But they've usually hidden it under the sheerest veneer of "respectability".

    This wouldn't be that.

    They'd still be within the letter of the law, which is exactly what they promised.

    I think there would be a thin enough veneer of procedure to it, and with all the other positions going to the GOP you'd have half the state backing the decision which is probably enough. It might also serve to discourage future Democrats from having the audacity to run for office in Kentucky. Then you have Bevin disappear into the woods and run somebody else next time, plus almost a whole year for people to forget it happened before 2020, but even then you've got Trump himself on the ticket which is going to drive turnout anyway.

    It also saves them the time of doing like the GOP legislatures in Wisconsin and North Carolina and Virginia did and passing a bunch of laws undermining the Governor's powers before the Dem gets sworn in.

  • IlpalaIlpala Just this guy, y'know Texas booniesRegistered User regular
    Quid wrote: »
    38thDoe wrote: »
    Sleeping on it and somehow waking even more enraged by WA elections. When business interests want someone in a red state who'll be their stooge they have them talk about God and then cut taxes. When its a blue state they find someone who will tall about how much they love diversity and then cut taxes and it fucking works.

    What is the background here?

    WA had a proposal that capped car tags at $30 and forbid raising it.

    Those taxes go to funding public transit that WA also heavily favors.

    We also have no state income tax.

    Our state is really stupid about taxes.

    I mean, Texan, so. Know that feel. Especially last night.

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  • Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. 5386-8443-8937Registered User regular
    Seattle is going to turn itself into San Francisco as fast as it can

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  • PiotyrPiotyr Registered User regular
    Another potential boon that could stem from Virginia going blue: The Equal Rights Amendment has been floating around for 40 years after being passed by Congress and approved by President Carter, waiting for 38 state ratifications. Illinois became the 37th state to ratify it last year, meaning just one more state needs to ratify it to officially ratify it nationwide. Virginia is one of the states yet to ratify it.

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    38thDoe wrote: »
    Sleeping on it and somehow waking even more enraged by WA elections. When business interests want someone in a red state who'll be their stooge they have them talk about God and then cut taxes. When its a blue state they find someone who will tall about how much they love diversity and then cut taxes and it fucking works.

    What is the background here?

    Bad night for progressive politicians in WA who were seeking more taxes on Amazon and have gone down to a series of ostensibly progressive politicians who will do their donor's bidding.

    A lot of them were running "diversity makes seattle great!" campaigns while running against shit like funding homeless shelters.

    This shit is infuriating.

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  • AiouaAioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    Seattle is going to turn itself into San Francisco as fast as it can

    Naw, there's too much big money invested in building shit.

    We also have the bonus of not needing to deal with California's asinine property tax laws, so there's not near as much of an incentive to squat on a building forever.

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  • Mild ConfusionMild Confusion Smash All Things Registered User regular
    Not much good news from my district unfortunately. I moved from Arizona to Ohio, so I can no longer bask in the glory of helping get Sinema elected but I get to work on a new area.

    I was dismayed when my district had two judges running unopposed and three people running for three school board slots unopposed, so that was fun. No taxes or anything else like that to vote on except the municipal court clerk (the Dem lost overwhelmingly.)

    However, there was one thing that that did infuriate me; when I was researching who was running, I couldn’t find much campaign news online for my district, so I just looked up the names on my the practice ballots and researched that way. Except there was a race for City Council that I had no idea was going on until I was at the election booth because they weren’t on the practice ballots or the city election website. They election ballot also omits party affiliations.

    So I had to guess. So did my wife. And we both voted for the (R).

    The Dem lost by 33 votes, spinning me into a serious direction of enraged and I have no idea why their names were not on the practice ballots. My only consolation is that the (R) doesn’t seem too horrible and is qualified for the job per some research, but I just moved here a few months ago and hate being blindsided.

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  • CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
    If you don't recognize any names you can leave that part of the ballot blank. It doesn't invalidate the rest of it.

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  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    If you don't recognize any names you can leave that part of the ballot blank. It doesn't invalidate the rest of it.

    No, but the rest of that situation stinks. A practice ballot that doesn't match, etc. is a problem.

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    If you don't recognize any names you can leave that part of the ballot blank. It doesn't invalidate the rest of it.

    I wasn’t sure, I’ve never actually voted in person like this before. It was my first time not sending in an absentee ballot since I was out of state military my entire adult life. It was kinda cool.

    But I’ll do this next time. Still pisses me off though. Even if I had voted for the correct person or not at all, I like to be informed.

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  • CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
    Election material with all the candidates listed and a short bio/list of policies is important. Voting for local candidates shouldn't be a memory contest.

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  • a5ehrena5ehren AtlantaRegistered User regular
    Piotyr wrote: »
    Another potential boon that could stem from Virginia going blue: The Equal Rights Amendment has been floating around for 40 years after being passed by Congress and approved by President Carter, waiting for 38 state ratifications. Illinois became the 37th state to ratify it last year, meaning just one more state needs to ratify it to officially ratify it nationwide. Virginia is one of the states yet to ratify it.

    Current thinking is that Congress would have to do something to remove the original deadline. This seems...unlikely in the near future.

  • So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    Knight_ wrote: »
    philadelphia elected someone from the working families party for one of our 2 reserved non-majority party at-large council seats, which is exciting.

    also in delco, the democrats swept the elections there, county controlled by democrats in the first time since forever and combined with the 2 wins last election, they hold the entire council. possible good news for '20 since philly suburbs are where we're gonna have to win PA in presidential elections going forward.

    our dumb marsy's law measure will pass if the courts allow it, but currently the state supreme court said it if it goes in it will immediately possibly violate the constitutional rights of the accused, so they're not counting it until the legal battle is done. hope it gets struck, because marsy's law is absolute unconstitutional trashgarbage and putting it in the pa constitution would be a true embarassment.

    Marsys law is not garbage trash, and it's been enacted in some form in many states where defendants rights did not then crumble. I don't know what particular version PA is looking at but I'm happy to talk more about this issue with anyone interested. Victim's rights exist in some form in every state and they're and important part of a fair justice system.

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  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    edited November 6
    Not much good news from my district unfortunately. I moved from Arizona to Ohio, so I can no longer bask in the glory of helping get Sinema elected but I get to work on a new area.

    I was dismayed when my district had two judges running unopposed and three people running for three school board slots unopposed, so that was fun. No taxes or anything else like that to vote on except the municipal court clerk (the Dem lost overwhelmingly.)

    However, there was one thing that that did infuriate me; when I was researching who was running, I couldn’t find much campaign news online for my district, so I just looked up the names on my the practice ballots and researched that way. Except there was a race for City Council that I had no idea was going on until I was at the election booth because they weren’t on the practice ballots or the city election website. They election ballot also omits party affiliations.

    So I had to guess. So did my wife. And we both voted for the (R).

    The Dem lost by 33 votes, spinning me into a serious direction of enraged and I have no idea why their names were not on the practice ballots. My only consolation is that the (R) doesn’t seem too horrible and is qualified for the job per some research, but I just moved here a few months ago and hate being blindsided.

    Yo, fellow Ohioan

    The Ohio dem party sucks a phenomenal amount of shit...just amazing amounts of poo

    Basically outside of big city mayoral races, the gov race and Sherrod Brown every 6 years you will hear nothing about dem candidates nor easily find who to vote or volunteer for.

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  • LadaiLadai Registered User regular
    edited November 6
    So It Goes wrote: »
    Knight_ wrote: »
    philadelphia elected someone from the working families party for one of our 2 reserved non-majority party at-large council seats, which is exciting.

    also in delco, the democrats swept the elections there, county controlled by democrats in the first time since forever and combined with the 2 wins last election, they hold the entire council. possible good news for '20 since philly suburbs are where we're gonna have to win PA in presidential elections going forward.

    our dumb marsy's law measure will pass if the courts allow it, but currently the state supreme court said it if it goes in it will immediately possibly violate the constitutional rights of the accused, so they're not counting it until the legal battle is done. hope it gets struck, because marsy's law is absolute unconstitutional trashgarbage and putting it in the pa constitution would be a true embarassment.

    Marsys law is not garbage trash, and it's been enacted in some form in many states where defendants rights did not then crumble. I don't know what particular version PA is looking at but I'm happy to talk more about this issue with anyone interested. Victim's rights exist in some form in every state and they're and important part of a fair justice system.

    Reading the short description of it in the voting booth, I got to the part where the defendant's right to discovery can just be refused and was like "nope that sounds bad." Maybe there was some nuance I was missing.

    Edit: Here was the actual ballot question:
    Shall the Pennsylvania Constitution be amended to grant certain rights to crime victims, including to be treated with fairness, respect and dignity; considering their safety in bail proceedings; timely notice and opportunity to take part in public proceedings; reasonable protection from the accused; right to refuse discovery requests made by the accused; restitution and return of property; proceedings free from delay; and to be informed of these rights, so they can enforce them?

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  • ZibblsnrtZibblsnrt Registered User regular
    It's worth pointing out that just because he's saying it could come before the legislature doesn't mean he's right, especially considering that everything I've read notes that there is no automatic recount - Bevin's got to pony up for this.

    If by "Bevin's got to pony up for this" you mean "Bevin signs the final check after the party passes the hat to bankroll him," maybe. There's no way they won't cover him if it opens the door to the state senate just nullifying the results.
    But beyond that, what do they think they'll get out of saving Bevin? He's been the most unpopular governor in the US, and would become even more of a millstone if the legislature installs him.

    They'll get a Republican governor. The party's the only thing the GOP's cared about for years, and they've already gotten away with one gubernatorial coup in the last set of elections.

  • So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    Ladai wrote: »
    So It Goes wrote: »
    Knight_ wrote: »
    philadelphia elected someone from the working families party for one of our 2 reserved non-majority party at-large council seats, which is exciting.

    also in delco, the democrats swept the elections there, county controlled by democrats in the first time since forever and combined with the 2 wins last election, they hold the entire council. possible good news for '20 since philly suburbs are where we're gonna have to win PA in presidential elections going forward.

    our dumb marsy's law measure will pass if the courts allow it, but currently the state supreme court said it if it goes in it will immediately possibly violate the constitutional rights of the accused, so they're not counting it until the legal battle is done. hope it gets struck, because marsy's law is absolute unconstitutional trashgarbage and putting it in the pa constitution would be a true embarassment.

    Marsys law is not garbage trash, and it's been enacted in some form in many states where defendants rights did not then crumble. I don't know what particular version PA is looking at but I'm happy to talk more about this issue with anyone interested. Victim's rights exist in some form in every state and they're and important part of a fair justice system.

    Reading the short description of it in the voting booth, I got to the part where the defendant's right to discovery can just be refused and was like "nope that sounds bad." Maybe there was some nuance I was missing.

    Edit: Here was the actual ballot question:
    Shall the Pennsylvania Constitution be amended to grant certain rights to crime victims, including to be treated with fairness, respect and dignity; considering their safety in bail proceedings; timely notice and opportunity to take part in public proceedings; reasonable protection from the accused; right to refuse discovery requests made by the accused; restitution and return of property; proceedings free from delay; and to be informed of these rights, so they can enforce them?

    The defendant has discovery rights against the State and this does not change that at all. What this says is the defendant may not force the victim to provide discovery. Examples would be defendants who want to take a victims deposition, make a victim undergo a psychological test, force a victim to provide their diaries, etc. Victims should (and are, in many states including mine) be able to refuse those requests as they are private citizens not the State.

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  • LadaiLadai Registered User regular
    edited November 6
    So It Goes wrote: »
    Ladai wrote: »
    So It Goes wrote: »
    Knight_ wrote: »
    philadelphia elected someone from the working families party for one of our 2 reserved non-majority party at-large council seats, which is exciting.

    also in delco, the democrats swept the elections there, county controlled by democrats in the first time since forever and combined with the 2 wins last election, they hold the entire council. possible good news for '20 since philly suburbs are where we're gonna have to win PA in presidential elections going forward.

    our dumb marsy's law measure will pass if the courts allow it, but currently the state supreme court said it if it goes in it will immediately possibly violate the constitutional rights of the accused, so they're not counting it until the legal battle is done. hope it gets struck, because marsy's law is absolute unconstitutional trashgarbage and putting it in the pa constitution would be a true embarassment.

    Marsys law is not garbage trash, and it's been enacted in some form in many states where defendants rights did not then crumble. I don't know what particular version PA is looking at but I'm happy to talk more about this issue with anyone interested. Victim's rights exist in some form in every state and they're and important part of a fair justice system.

    Reading the short description of it in the voting booth, I got to the part where the defendant's right to discovery can just be refused and was like "nope that sounds bad." Maybe there was some nuance I was missing.

    Edit: Here was the actual ballot question:
    Shall the Pennsylvania Constitution be amended to grant certain rights to crime victims, including to be treated with fairness, respect and dignity; considering their safety in bail proceedings; timely notice and opportunity to take part in public proceedings; reasonable protection from the accused; right to refuse discovery requests made by the accused; restitution and return of property; proceedings free from delay; and to be informed of these rights, so they can enforce them?

    The defendant has discovery rights against the State and this does not change that at all. What this says is the defendant may not force the victim to provide discovery. Examples would be defendants who want to take a victims deposition, make a victim undergo a psychological test, force a victim to provide their diaries, etc. Victims should (and are, in many states including mine) be able to refuse those requests as they are private citizens not the State.

    Ah, OK. Thanks for clearing that up. Edit: In my defense, the phrase "refuse discovery requests" made me remember pretty much every story about defendants getting fucked over that I've ever read, and I have absolutely zero faith/trust in "law and order"/"get tough on crime" laws as it is. Without any other information I decided to err on the side of defendants' rights.

    I know the ACLU has other problems with it, but to be honest I just haven't had time to really read up on the issue.

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  • Mild ConfusionMild Confusion Smash All Things Registered User regular
    edited November 6
    Not much good news from my district unfortunately. I moved from Arizona to Ohio, so I can no longer bask in the glory of helping get Sinema elected but I get to work on a new area.

    I was dismayed when my district had two judges running unopposed and three people running for three school board slots unopposed, so that was fun. No taxes or anything else like that to vote on except the municipal court clerk (the Dem lost overwhelmingly.)

    However, there was one thing that that did infuriate me; when I was researching who was running, I couldn’t find much campaign news online for my district, so I just looked up the names on my the practice ballots and researched that way. Except there was a race for City Council that I had no idea was going on until I was at the election booth because they weren’t on the practice ballots or the city election website. They election ballot also omits party affiliations.

    So I had to guess. So did my wife. And we both voted for the (R).

    The Dem lost by 33 votes, spinning me into a serious direction of enraged and I have no idea why their names were not on the practice ballots. My only consolation is that the (R) doesn’t seem too horrible and is qualified for the job per some research, but I just moved here a few months ago and hate being blindsided.

    Yo, fellow Ohioan

    The Ohio dem party sucks a phenomenal amount of shit...just amazing amounts of poo

    Basically outside of big city mayoral races, the gov race and Sherrod Brown every 6 years you will hear nothing about dem candidates nor easily find who to vote or volunteer for.

    That sucks.

    Arizona Dems are amazing! They call and help often with election dates and candidates and platforms. And not robocalls either, but real people calling and being concerned and polite and everything you could ask for from a local party.

    Edit: They called me in Afghanistan! Which means they footed the bill for an international call because it was on my personal phone and I wasn’t charged!

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    Not much good news from my district unfortunately. I moved from Arizona to Ohio, so I can no longer bask in the glory of helping get Sinema elected but I get to work on a new area.

    I was dismayed when my district had two judges running unopposed and three people running for three school board slots unopposed, so that was fun. No taxes or anything else like that to vote on except the municipal court clerk (the Dem lost overwhelmingly.)

    However, there was one thing that that did infuriate me; when I was researching who was running, I couldn’t find much campaign news online for my district, so I just looked up the names on my the practice ballots and researched that way. Except there was a race for City Council that I had no idea was going on until I was at the election booth because they weren’t on the practice ballots or the city election website. They election ballot also omits party affiliations.

    So I had to guess. So did my wife. And we both voted for the (R).

    The Dem lost by 33 votes, spinning me into a serious direction of enraged and I have no idea why their names were not on the practice ballots. My only consolation is that the (R) doesn’t seem too horrible and is qualified for the job per some research, but I just moved here a few months ago and hate being blindsided.

    Yo, fellow Ohioan

    The Ohio dem party sucks a phenomenal amount of shit...just amazing amounts of poo

    Basically outside of big city mayoral races, the gov race and Sherrod Brown every 6 years you will hear nothing about dem candidates nor easily find who to vote or volunteer for.

    That sucks.

    Arizona Dems are amazing! They call and help often with election dates and candidates and platforms. And not robocalls either, but real people calling and being concerned and polite and everything you could ask for from a local party.

    The info packet they send us in California was a fucking revelation after I moved here.

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  • MazzyxMazzyx Comedy Gold Registered User regular
    Jragghen wrote: »
    Not much good news from my district unfortunately. I moved from Arizona to Ohio, so I can no longer bask in the glory of helping get Sinema elected but I get to work on a new area.

    I was dismayed when my district had two judges running unopposed and three people running for three school board slots unopposed, so that was fun. No taxes or anything else like that to vote on except the municipal court clerk (the Dem lost overwhelmingly.)

    However, there was one thing that that did infuriate me; when I was researching who was running, I couldn’t find much campaign news online for my district, so I just looked up the names on my the practice ballots and researched that way. Except there was a race for City Council that I had no idea was going on until I was at the election booth because they weren’t on the practice ballots or the city election website. They election ballot also omits party affiliations.

    So I had to guess. So did my wife. And we both voted for the (R).

    The Dem lost by 33 votes, spinning me into a serious direction of enraged and I have no idea why their names were not on the practice ballots. My only consolation is that the (R) doesn’t seem too horrible and is qualified for the job per some research, but I just moved here a few months ago and hate being blindsided.

    Yo, fellow Ohioan

    The Ohio dem party sucks a phenomenal amount of shit...just amazing amounts of poo

    Basically outside of big city mayoral races, the gov race and Sherrod Brown every 6 years you will hear nothing about dem candidates nor easily find who to vote or volunteer for.

    That sucks.

    Arizona Dems are amazing! They call and help often with election dates and candidates and platforms. And not robocalls either, but real people calling and being concerned and polite and everything you could ask for from a local party.

    The info packet they send us in California was a fucking revelation after I moved here.

    The blue book in Colorado is one of the most useful things the State ever produced. A full write up of every measure along with backgrounds and major positions for each candidate sent to every registered voter before early voting starts allowing people to read for and against points for everything on the ballot.

    I wish I got it in Virginia. Especially for local stuff where it can be hard to find good information.

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  • CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
    edited November 6
    The Republican candidate in the recent election in my city used his paragraph on policy solely to whine about the expense to taxpayers of producing the voter's guide leaflet.

    This did not in any way challenge my horrible partisan opinion that Republicans are scumbags.

    [edit] Link to online version

    http://www.nyccfb.info/nyc-votes/vgwelcome/general-election-2019/meet-the-candidates/meet-the-candidates/public-advocate/joseph-borelli/?languageType=English
    Imagine how much money was wasted in sending this booklet to every registered voter in a city of 8.5 million people…
    It’s but one example of how little those in City Hall actually value the taxpayers like you who are left footing the bill.
    Who speaks for your family?

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