The good, the bad and [The Mandalorian] OPEN SPOILERS

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  • ThawmusThawmus Registered User regular
    -Loki- wrote: »
    Thawmus wrote: »
    Lucascraft wrote: »
    I mean, I never even considered money to be an issue.

    They're working with a Disney budget.

    You can really feel where the money went in this show.

    in order:

    Special Effects Budget
    Choreography
    Story
    actors
    dialogue

    I’d say the casting was pretty spot on, so I wouldn’t place it so low. Seems they wanted to get it right since they got the MCUs casting director, and it shows.

    It's difficult for me to put my finger on just where the sore spots actually come from. Like the lady in Mos Eisley. Is she that bad of an actor, was she getting horrible direction, did they just write terrible dialogue and whatnot for her? Can't figure it out.

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    Thawmus wrote: »
    -Loki- wrote: »
    Thawmus wrote: »
    Lucascraft wrote: »
    I mean, I never even considered money to be an issue.

    They're working with a Disney budget.

    You can really feel where the money went in this show.

    in order:

    Special Effects Budget
    Choreography
    Story
    actors
    dialogue

    I’d say the casting was pretty spot on, so I wouldn’t place it so low. Seems they wanted to get it right since they got the MCUs casting director, and it shows.

    It's difficult for me to put my finger on just where the sore spots actually come from. Like the lady in Mos Eisley. Is she that bad of an actor, was she getting horrible direction, did they just write terrible dialogue and whatnot for her? Can't figure it out.

    Are you talking about Amy Sedaris? She was the best part of that whole episode!

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  • ThawmusThawmus Registered User regular
    Thawmus wrote: »
    -Loki- wrote: »
    Thawmus wrote: »
    Lucascraft wrote: »
    I mean, I never even considered money to be an issue.

    They're working with a Disney budget.

    You can really feel where the money went in this show.

    in order:

    Special Effects Budget
    Choreography
    Story
    actors
    dialogue

    I’d say the casting was pretty spot on, so I wouldn’t place it so low. Seems they wanted to get it right since they got the MCUs casting director, and it shows.

    It's difficult for me to put my finger on just where the sore spots actually come from. Like the lady in Mos Eisley. Is she that bad of an actor, was she getting horrible direction, did they just write terrible dialogue and whatnot for her? Can't figure it out.

    Are you talking about Amy Sedaris? She was the best part of that whole episode!

    Hard disagree, felt super awkward and disconnected.

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  • KamarKamar Registered User regular
    edited January 9
    The dialogue and exaggerated characters are just part of the general cartooniness of the show.

    I don't see it as a flaw.

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  • ThawmusThawmus Registered User regular
    Kamar wrote: »
    The dialogue and exaggerated characters are just part of the general cartooniness of the show.

    I don't see it as a flaw.

    I guess?

    Sometimes it just felt like a poorly made fan film. The action, special effects, and that goddamned adorable baby Yoda are what pull me through the show, but there's definitely a lot of cringe. Maybe it's because it's essentially a Saturday morning cartoon but shot as live action? I dunno.

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  • MvrckMvrck Registered User regular
    Thawmus wrote: »
    Lucascraft wrote: »
    I mean, I never even considered money to be an issue.

    They're working with a Disney budget.

    You can really feel where the money went in this show.

    in order:

    Special Effects Budget
    Choreography
    Story
    actors
    dialogue

    Uh, considering the Unreal promotional bit that came out about them actually doing a lot of the scenes live in engine, I would be willing to bet a LOT of the special effects wound up being way cheaper than most contemporary shows.

    Like, if you shoot all those exterior shots on set without needed to move a whole crew out there to the wilderness for days on end, PLUS had no added render time for the scenery and backgrounds and little to no compositing time?

    That's HUGE on an effects budget.

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  • ThawmusThawmus Registered User regular
    Mvrck wrote: »
    Thawmus wrote: »
    Lucascraft wrote: »
    I mean, I never even considered money to be an issue.

    They're working with a Disney budget.

    You can really feel where the money went in this show.

    in order:

    Special Effects Budget
    Choreography
    Story
    actors
    dialogue

    Uh, considering the Unreal promotional bit that came out about them actually doing a lot of the scenes live in engine, I would be willing to bet a LOT of the special effects wound up being way cheaper than most contemporary shows.

    Like, if you shoot all those exterior shots on set without needed to move a whole crew out there to the wilderness for days on end, PLUS had no added render time for the scenery and backgrounds and little to no compositing time?

    That's HUGE on an effects budget.

    That sounds awesome. Hopefully other TV shows that want to do Sci-Fi/Superhero stuff take note, then, because Mandalorian's special effects are pretty great.

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  • autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    In much of scifi, space, how it works, the distances involved, all that is a part of the stories, almost like a background character.

    And JJ just doesn't give a fuck about how space works. It was like that when he did star trek, too. Explosions light years away instantly visible, travel times of seconds..

    You mean like how the Falcon made the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs? Like that?

    No, I mean where stuff established to be light years away is suddenly instantly visible with a naked eye. That's a few orders of magnitude worse.
    Mvrck wrote: »
    Thawmus wrote: »
    Lucascraft wrote: »
    I mean, I never even considered money to be an issue.

    They're working with a Disney budget.

    You can really feel where the money went in this show.

    in order:

    Special Effects Budget
    Choreography
    Story
    actors
    dialogue

    Uh, considering the Unreal promotional bit that came out about them actually doing a lot of the scenes live in engine, I would be willing to bet a LOT of the special effects wound up being way cheaper than most contemporary shows.

    Like, if you shoot all those exterior shots on set without needed to move a whole crew out there to the wilderness for days on end, PLUS had no added render time for the scenery and backgrounds and little to no compositing time?

    That's HUGE on an effects budget.

    Wait, what??? Can you put a link up?

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  • BloodySlothBloodySloth Registered User regular
    I knew about the Unreal engine thing, but hadn't heard about their use of LED walls while filming. That's super neat.

  • RedTideRedTide Registered User regular
    Thawmus wrote: »
    I gotta imagine Carl Weathers isn't cheap.

    He's like the cheapest person alive.

    Never thrown a bone out in his life.

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    Favreau talked a lot about the technology and methods he learned from his previous films (particularly The Lion King) informing how they worked on The Mando. Apparently there are a ton of tricks they implemented that saved them a lot of time and money and gave them really great quality in comparison to a standard movie CG-fest.

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    edited January 10
    RedTide wrote: »
    Thawmus wrote: »
    I gotta imagine Carl Weathers isn't cheap.

    He's like the cheapest person alive.

    Never thrown a bone out in his life.

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  • MvrckMvrck Registered User regular
    I knew about the Unreal engine thing, but hadn't heard about their use of LED walls while filming. That's super neat.

    Yep. At 4k or 8k resolution (I'm guessing for a production like this they went 8k density, but obviously on a massive scale), your camera basically has to be up against the screen to notice the pixelization. The other thing I saw elsewhere (sorry don't have the link at the moment), is that with the LED screens, they would sync up the physical camera movements with the virtual game camera, so you could actually achieve proper pan and rotational shots with correct parallax and perspective all in realtime on the screens.

    Or vice versa, where the physical camera is static but the background/scenery rotates around (IE, the spinning gatling laser shots), all without the need of complex post production compositing and rendering.

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  • KarozKaroz Registered User regular
    edited January 10
    Hey someone is working on the Smith's helmet

    Alright with that out of the way, enjoy some Boda memes.

    Glad I got that out of my system.

    This is the Way.

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    RedTide wrote: »
    Thawmus wrote: »
    I gotta imagine Carl Weathers isn't cheap.

    He's like the cheapest person alive.

    Never thrown a bone out in his life.

    Hes still mad the baby threw out a perfectly good Carl Weathers

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  • manwiththemachinegunmanwiththemachinegun METAL GEAR?! Registered User regular
    edited January 12
    Enc wrote: »
    Death Watch being bad guys is pretty subjective, though. Given what happens immediately after Clone Wars (the Mandalorian purge), the militant faction of the Mandos seemed to have been proved right by history. Demilitarization led the empire to pillage their world and murder most of the inhabitants.

    Maul himself being a bad guy is also somewhat shakey. Yeah, he's not a good guy, but even with all the garbage with the Black Sun his eventual goal was to kill Palpatine which at least gets him lesser evil points. He probably would have been terrible had he succeeded, but we see in his death his eventual goals were mostly motivated by revenge and protecting his people, which Palpatine wiped out.

    Duchess Satine is the most painfully genre-blind character I've seen in a while, and she's treated as such in show. She's shown to be so traumatized by Mandalore's civil wars she's completely incapable of dealing with any kind of external threat to her people and government other than the most base appeasement.
    She's also stated to have exiled ALL of Mandalores warrior clans, not just the Death Watch. So it's likely Din's group, if it had been around, would have shared the same fate.
    There were also plenty of honorable Mandalorians like Fenn Rau and Bo-Katarn who were also driven away by her polices.
    She spites even the reasonable people in her own government, and has them thrown in prison for "horrible" crimes like turning to smugglers for trying to get FOOD through a blockaded world. Moreover, towards the end she chooses to blame her own people, rather than take responsibilities for her own mistakes. Her death was unavoidable.

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    We just finished the season! I like Star Wars again. Will I never be free of it's grasp?

    So hey, that bit where the TIE folded it's wings to sit down - is that a standard feature that they've always had, or is this a fancy new model?

    Oh brilliant
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    We just finished the season! I like Star Wars again. Will I never be free of it's grasp?

    So hey, that bit where the TIE folded it's wings to sit down - is that a standard feature that they've always had, or is this a fancy new model?

    That is absolutely a feature of a Fancy TIE, regular TIE fighters (and every other TIE I've seen, which is like nine different types) don't fold up. Every other variant I've seen is built to go on a rack in a Star Destroyer hangar, pilots normally don't enter them from the deck but from a ladder or something.

    Though they probably just threw this new variant in there because they realized somebody having a dramatic entrance is rather undermined if said individual has to awkwardly climb out of the top of the TIE and then get over to a ladder to get down. Much more dramatic to have the TIE just fold up to show that's something special, and then the pilot can just step right out.

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  • reVersereVerse Registered User regular
    Regular TIE fighters can't land anywhere but specifically designed landing platforms. It's to keep them 100% dependent on the command structure/the state.

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    Well, they can, but only once.

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    TIE wings are normally rigid, it’s a special feature of that special TIE.

    Like, Vader’s Advanced TIE from New Hope is probably as good as you get in that era for TIEs and it sure as hell couldn’t do that.

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  • Doctor DetroitDoctor Detroit Registered User regular
    edited January 13
    It is common in Star Wars to introduce new things that "break the rules". Sometimes we get 2-seat TIEs. Sometimes we get folding TIEs. And sometimes we get what TROS does with TIEs.

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    reVerse wrote: »
    Regular TIE fighters can't land anywhere but specifically designed landing platforms. It's to keep them 100% dependent on the command structure/the state.

    I love this kind of silly in universe explanation for stuff after the fact. It’s what makes the world building fun.

    It reminds me of some backstory on the A-Wing in on the WEG sourcebooks. After the Battle of Yavin, the Rebellion realized one thing their fleet was missing: raw speed. So the A-Wing was born out of the trench run.

    Love it.

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    reVerse wrote: »
    Regular TIE fighters can't land anywhere but specifically designed landing platforms. It's to keep them 100% dependent on the command structure/the state.
    I'm sure that's just an Imperial retcon and it's actually a case of the TIE Fighters' physics being seriously borked - I mean, Arma-level borked - and the moment they touch down on their Twin Ion Engines, they just blow up.

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  • SteelhawkSteelhawk Registered User regular
    The wings are not the engines. They're the solar collectors that provide energy to drive the two, very identical, ion engines.

    Geez

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    Steelhawk wrote: »
    The wings are not the engines. They're the solar collectors that provide energy to drive the two, very identical, ion engines.

    Geez

    Also they look like bow ties

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    Sleep wrote: »
    Steelhawk wrote: »
    The wings are not the engines. They're the solar collectors that provide energy to drive the two, very identical, ion engines.

    Geez

    Also they look like bow ties

    I see what you did there

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  • Doctor DetroitDoctor Detroit Registered User regular
    Six wrote: »
    reVerse wrote: »
    Regular TIE fighters can't land anywhere but specifically designed landing platforms. It's to keep them 100% dependent on the command structure/the state.

    I love this kind of silly in universe explanation for stuff after the fact. It’s what makes the world building fun.

    It reminds me of some backstory on the A-Wing in on the WEG sourcebooks. After the Battle of Yavin, the Rebellion realized one thing their fleet was missing: raw speed. So the A-Wing was born out of the trench run.

    Love it.

    Until all that old EU stuff gets thrown out and the A-Wing actually existed well before Yavin, but wasn't seen in a movie until (chronologically) Endor.

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    Six wrote: »
    reVerse wrote: »
    Regular TIE fighters can't land anywhere but specifically designed landing platforms. It's to keep them 100% dependent on the command structure/the state.

    I love this kind of silly in universe explanation for stuff after the fact. It’s what makes the world building fun.

    It reminds me of some backstory on the A-Wing in on the WEG sourcebooks. After the Battle of Yavin, the Rebellion realized one thing their fleet was missing: raw speed. So the A-Wing was born out of the trench run.

    Love it.

    Until all that old EU stuff gets thrown out and the A-Wing actually existed well before Yavin, but wasn't seen in a movie until (chronologically) Endor.

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    edited January 13
    Steelhawk wrote: »
    The wings are not the engines. They're the solar collectors that provide energy to drive the two, very identical, ion engines.

    Geez

    What you did there.

    I see it.

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    Thawmus wrote: »
    It's difficult for me to put my finger on just where the sore spots actually come from. Like the lady in Mos Eisley. Is she that bad of an actor, was she getting horrible direction, did they just write terrible dialogue and whatnot for her? Can't figure it out.

    Are you talking about Amy Sedaris? She was the best part of that whole episode!
    Was I the only one who was put in mind of Miracle Max and his wife from The Princess Bride? Obviously there's the Ripley wig, but other than that the look and tone was very much Miracle Max for me.

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  • ThirithThirith Registered User regular
    edited January 14
    I'm surprised by how little I mind that the plots of The Mandalorian are basic and the characters pretty simple, even if measured by the standards of Star Wars. The series still makes for very good comfort viewing. I'd want more than this for a second season and beyond, but as it is right now I'm having fun watching what pretty much amounts to "You like Ralph McQuarrie's style? Get a load of this!" Though I do understand why some people are disappointed, because the stories are mostly on the level of filler episodes of Have Gun Will Travel.

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  • NinjeffNinjeff Registered User regular
    Thirith wrote: »
    I'm surprised by how little I mind that the plots of The Mandalorian are basic and the characters pretty simple, even if measured by the standards of Star Wars. The series still makes for very good comfort viewing. I'd want more than this for a second season and beyond, but as it is right now I'm having fun watching what pretty much amounts to "You like Ralph McQuarrie's style? Get a load of this!" Though I do understand why some people are disappointed, because the stories are mostly on the level of filler episodes of Have Gun Will Travel.

    I find it quite refreshing.
    If you're in to the Star Wars universe turbo nerdom, there is a lot of interesting stuff going on in the background. If not, no big deal. Its a solid adventure story where the good guys are good and the bad guys are bad.
    Its a little worrying how "fresh" that feels now-a-days when every streaming show seems to need to have 12 plot twists, 5 turns, 7 new characters, 3 cliff hangers and 12 "i want this award" performances per season.

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    Ninjeff wrote: »
    Thirith wrote: »
    I'm surprised by how little I mind that the plots of The Mandalorian are basic and the characters pretty simple, even if measured by the standards of Star Wars. The series still makes for very good comfort viewing. I'd want more than this for a second season and beyond, but as it is right now I'm having fun watching what pretty much amounts to "You like Ralph McQuarrie's style? Get a load of this!" Though I do understand why some people are disappointed, because the stories are mostly on the level of filler episodes of Have Gun Will Travel.

    I find it quite refreshing.
    If you're in to the Star Wars universe turbo nerdom, there is a lot of interesting stuff going on in the background. If not, no big deal. Its a solid adventure story where the good guys are good and the bad guys are bad.
    Its a little worrying how "fresh" that feels now-a-days when every streaming show seems to need to have 12 plot twists, 5 turns, 7 new characters, 3 cliff hangers and 12 "i want this award" performances per season.

    I kind of worried it'd be a prestige-TV style grimy dark serious take on Star Wars full of terrible people being terrible to each other and wouldn't do anything for me, and instead I got a spiritual successor to the Filoni cartoons.

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