I'm just about to start season 6 of clone wars then I can't wait to start on rebels! I think my fave star wars stuff is all empire times side stories so I'm excited.
A conversation on Twitter has reminded me that somehow a lot of people walked away from the force awakens thinking that Finn was committed to fighting the First Order st the end. It makes me wonder if it’s even possible to clarify that sort of thing when a movie goes out of its way to give the character a speech about how he doesn’t care about all of that and he’s only there to rescue his friend.
A conversation on Twitter has reminded me that somehow a lot of people walked away from the force awakens thinking that Finn was committed to fighting the First Order st the end. It makes me wonder if it’s even possible to clarify that sort of thing when a movie goes out of its way to give the character a speech about how he doesn’t care about all of that and he’s only there to rescue his friend.
I don't think this is a good argument seeing as Han didn't necessarily commit to fighting the Empire by the end of New Hope in an overt way but then had apparently done just that as Empire Strikes Back picks back up.
Han wasn't unconscious the entire time between movies. As far as Finn is concerned when he wakes up in TLJ it's been no time at all since the end of TFA.
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Han wasn't unconscious the entire time between movies. As far as Finn is concerned when he wakes up in TLJ it's been no time at all since the end of TFA.
Because it basically has been...what, a week? Tops?
Meanwhile it's obviously been a while (even if you don't know about the canonical time of 3 years) between ANH and ESB.
Posted this in the other thread: Finished season 4 for Rebels. Holy crap! Not even sure what to say. It was much better than I was expecting. Maybe contrasting against the ST is helping it, but dang that was a good season. Endings in general are hard to nail, and I think they did a pretty good job.
Only part I didn't like:
The time and space gateway thing seemed to be the weakest part. If the Jedi had something like that, it kind of means they'd know Order 66 was coming and/or could change it, or any number of time traveling scenario's. I wasn't even sure what it was doing there in the end. How did it know where to go? Why did the emperor need access but then already have a small part of it? Was that part only to Ezra? How did the Emperor already seem to have access but not access? Time travel is just so tricky to handle, just wish they went a different route.
The wolves warping across the planet was another stretch, but at least you could hand wave that one to maybe there were set gates that they knew about. Not that they had magic force teleportation.
Weirdly they handled the Jedi thing pretty well. It was always going to be tough with the whole Yoda "last of the Jedi you'll be" line. You knew both of them couldn't stay with the group by the end, but overall I really like the idea of leaving Ezra and Thrawn as unknowns. Thrawn is just too good a villain to have ended him here. Could make for a good transition to old EU Thrawn, scraping remnants back together.
Overall, it's been while since I was excited about anything Star Wars. I think the SWTOR expansions (kotfe/kotet) may have been the last time. Definitely would love to see Filoni return after Clone Wars is done to do more Rebels. If they need more live action stuff for Disney+, I could probably be talked into a non-animated version.
Getting a fairly low profile director for a big blockbuster project?
James Gunn, Taika Waititi, The Russos, Peyton Reed etc.
Yep. The other thing Marvel has done well is given the lower profile directors a framework to work with. I personally think it helps since the director/writers don't get too crazy with world-level details and can focus on the story they are trying to tell. Thor: Ragnorak is a good example of Taika mentioning something like how they gave him some framework around the high level stuff (I'm sure the ending was part of that) but then let him do what he does for the rest.
If the ST has taught us anything, it's that someone needs to reign in the world building so we don't keep going DBZ with force "power levels".
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I don't think that the sequel trilogy has done much to tell us about world building at all (except for parts of last jedi)
I think TLJ's Canto Bight/introduction of proper class warfare section is maybe the strongest world building in a Star Wars film
After 7 movies of mostly clear cut good/evil lines (outside of the Jedi's hubris) the reveal that A) there's an entire ultra rich class of folks entirely unaffected by the wars and these people are playing both sides and ultimately profiteering and prolonging the conflict is
That's some spicy stuff
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I've been re-watching Clone Wars and I like how whenever Anakin does something morally questionable the Vader music plays for a second. Just to hammer that whole thing home.
I think TLJ's Canto Bight/introduction of proper class warfare section is maybe the strongest world building in a Star Wars film
After 7 movies of mostly clear cut good/evil lines (outside of the Jedi's hubris) the reveal that A) there's an entire ultra rich class of folks entirely unaffected by the wars and these people are playing both sides and ultimately profiteering and prolonging the conflict is
That's some spicy stuff
I can't wait for the sequel to TLJ to come out and do more stuff with this incredibly important information, I mean, what kind of a sequel would look at that and ignore it
A conversation on Twitter has reminded me that somehow a lot of people walked away from the force awakens thinking that Finn was committed to fighting the First Order st the end. It makes me wonder if it’s even possible to clarify that sort of thing when a movie goes out of its way to give the character a speech about how he doesn’t care about all of that and he’s only there to rescue his friend.
I don't think this is a good argument seeing as Han didn't necessarily commit to fighting the Empire by the end of New Hope in an overt way but then had apparently done just that as Empire Strikes Back picks back up.
The argument to the people are thinking is that during the film Finn commits to the Rebel cause and that his plot in TLJ is a betrayal of that. So yes pointing out that no such plot happened and TFA ends with Finn willing to endanger the rebellion to get a chance at saving Rey is a good argument.
I remember seeing Finn with a lightsaber in the promo material for The Force Awakens and thinking "I hope he ends up being a dumb fucking clown idiot who's only personality trait is a crush" and as such was not disappointed by the sequels.
I have decided that the TLJ and TRS are closer to the 80s animated Transformer movie than they are to the OT.
The primary purpose was not to explore a world and/or tell a story, the primary purpose was to create a reason to sell other things. Storytelling and Worldbuilding were secondary and tertiary to that.
I don't think that the sequel trilogy has done much to tell us about world building at all (except for parts of last jedi)
idk, Starkiller base was channeling some of the worst of the Legacy EU (sucking star plasma, shooting from unknown regions to the core worlds, splitting beams for individual planets in different orbits). You had ships that go into hyperspace and hit another ship, causing a mini nuclear explosion (why have weapons at all? Just have droid/drone missiles with hyperspace generators). Not to mention all the force stuff, surviving in space, projecting across the galaxy, super lightning that can attack an entire fleet, super healing, force ghosts causing physical damage, and probably others I'm missing.
I think TLJ's Canto Bight/introduction of proper class warfare section is maybe the strongest world building in a Star Wars film
After 7 movies of mostly clear cut good/evil lines (outside of the Jedi's hubris) the reveal that A) there's an entire ultra rich class of folks entirely unaffected by the wars and these people are playing both sides and ultimately profiteering and prolonging the conflict is
That's some spicy stuff
I did like that part. I also liked canonizing the need for fuel. It was kind of assumed but it makes sense.
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I have decided that the TLJ and TRS are closer to the 80s animated Transformer movie than they are to the OT.
The primary purpose was not to explore a world and/or tell a story, the primary purpose was to create a reason to sell other things. Storytelling and Worldbuilding were secondary and tertiary to that.
Honestly, I can't agree. TLJ is the most Star Wars has ever tried to hammer home a message and it explores that very thoroughly, while filling in plenty of worldbuilding-- we were just talking about the extra layer Canto Bight adds to the conflict we'd been following for seven movies at that point
And while I don't care for TRoS, they were definitely trying stuff with the story, just mostly bad and regressive stuff. I mean Exogol and Force dyads and secret Sith cults are all worldbuilding
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I don't think TLJ adds that layer particularly well? Like, it wants to. I can see what it's trying to do, but there is just so mich cruft and nonsense that it doesn't work for me.
I have decided that the TLJ and TRS are closer to the 80s animated Transformer movie than they are to the OT.
The primary purpose was not to explore a world and/or tell a story, the primary purpose was to create a reason to sell other things. Storytelling and Worldbuilding were secondary and tertiary to that.
Honestly, I can't agree. TLJ is the most Star Wars has ever tried to hammer home a message and it explores that very thoroughly, while filling in plenty of worldbuilding-- we were just talking about the extra layer Canto Bight adds to the conflict we'd been following for seven movies at that point
And while I don't care for TRoS, they were definitely trying stuff with the story, just mostly bad and regressive stuff. I mean Exogol and Force dyads and secret Sith cults are all worldbuilding
I'm not saying those things were non-existent, just that they were a lower priority than merchandising and as a result, the attempts at worldbuilding and storytelling were unrefined and generally bad.
NuStar Wars has been pretty good at getting newer directors. Aside from JJ you've got Rian, whose biggest success is Looper, and Colin was hired off just one movie. Gareth and the comedy dudes who got dumped are definitelty not small fish though. Tbh I'm surprised that they're not playing it safe. Solo and RoS were super safe in their (eventual) director picks and i was kinda expecting more of the same.
HK-47 was almost certainly there and in fact everywhere, because Star Wars never met a character archetype it didn't find a way to drive into the ground, and "murderbot" was probably the first real new archetype for them in years so we gotta get the most out of that
HK-47 was almost certainly there and in fact everywhere, because Star Wars never met a character archetype it didn't find a way to drive into the ground, and "murderbot" was probably the first real new archetype for them in years so we gotta get the most out of that
Yeah I just looked it up, he's absolutely in there
I'm certain that in the SWRPG campaign of which this is clearly a dramatization, most or all of the players were rolling their eyes when Dave brought out his damn wolves again.
I'm certain that in the SWRPG campaign of which this is clearly a dramatization, most or all of the players were rolling their eyes when Dave brought out his damn wolves again.
Much like the noble hedgehog, Filoni only knows a single trick.
But, it's a really good trick.
I'm certain that in the SWRPG campaign of which this is clearly a dramatization, most or all of the players were rolling their eyes when Dave brought out his damn wolves again.
Much like the noble hedgehog, Filoni only knows a single trick.
But, it's a really good trick.
I think TLJ's Canto Bight/introduction of proper class warfare section is maybe the strongest world building in a Star Wars film
After 7 movies of mostly clear cut good/evil lines (outside of the Jedi's hubris) the reveal that A) there's an entire ultra rich class of folks entirely unaffected by the wars and these people are playing both sides and ultimately profiteering and prolonging the conflict is
That's some spicy stuff
I think that information needs way more context. There was a ton of old EU lore about what Incom was and why they would make X-Wings for the Rebels and so on. The Disney explanation being "Mr. Monopoly makes all of it because he LOVES money!" is kind of... stupid. Like... wouldn't the Emperor just send troops to kill a company openly arming the Rebels, like when he massacred the banks and merchants at the end of the Clone Wars? There has to be a lot more to it. Not saying it's an unworkable idea, just that Rose's explanation is like... very stupid.
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That was a hell of a finale, goddamn
I don't think this is a good argument seeing as Han didn't necessarily commit to fighting the Empire by the end of New Hope in an overt way but then had apparently done just that as Empire Strikes Back picks back up.
Because it basically has been...what, a week? Tops?
Meanwhile it's obviously been a while (even if you don't know about the canonical time of 3 years) between ANH and ESB.
Only part I didn't like:
The wolves warping across the planet was another stretch, but at least you could hand wave that one to maybe there were set gates that they knew about. Not that they had magic force teleportation.
Weirdly they handled the Jedi thing pretty well. It was always going to be tough with the whole Yoda "last of the Jedi you'll be" line. You knew both of them couldn't stay with the group by the end, but overall I really like the idea of leaving Ezra and Thrawn as unknowns. Thrawn is just too good a villain to have ended him here. Could make for a good transition to old EU Thrawn, scraping remnants back together.
Overall, it's been while since I was excited about anything Star Wars. I think the SWTOR expansions (kotfe/kotet) may have been the last time. Definitely would love to see Filoni return after Clone Wars is done to do more Rebels. If they need more live action stuff for Disney+, I could probably be talked into a non-animated version.
Yep. The other thing Marvel has done well is given the lower profile directors a framework to work with. I personally think it helps since the director/writers don't get too crazy with world-level details and can focus on the story they are trying to tell. Thor: Ragnorak is a good example of Taika mentioning something like how they gave him some framework around the high level stuff (I'm sure the ending was part of that) but then let him do what he does for the rest.
If the ST has taught us anything, it's that someone needs to reign in the world building so we don't keep going DBZ with force "power levels".
After 7 movies of mostly clear cut good/evil lines (outside of the Jedi's hubris) the reveal that A) there's an entire ultra rich class of folks entirely unaffected by the wars and
That's some spicy stuff
I can't wait for the sequel to TLJ to come out and do more stuff with this incredibly important information, I mean, what kind of a sequel would look at that and ignore it
The argument to the people are thinking is that during the film Finn commits to the Rebel cause and that his plot in TLJ is a betrayal of that. So yes pointing out that no such plot happened and TFA ends with Finn willing to endanger the rebellion to get a chance at saving Rey is a good argument.
What, you weren't satisfied with his arc being...yelling another character's name a bunch?
Often all I can think about
Is astoundingly dumb
The primary purpose was not to explore a world and/or tell a story, the primary purpose was to create a reason to sell other things. Storytelling and Worldbuilding were secondary and tertiary to that.
idk, Starkiller base was channeling some of the worst of the Legacy EU (sucking star plasma, shooting from unknown regions to the core worlds, splitting beams for individual planets in different orbits). You had ships that go into hyperspace and hit another ship, causing a mini nuclear explosion (why have weapons at all? Just have droid/drone missiles with hyperspace generators). Not to mention all the force stuff, surviving in space, projecting across the galaxy, super lightning that can attack an entire fleet, super healing, force ghosts causing physical damage, and probably others I'm missing.
I did like that part. I also liked canonizing the need for fuel. It was kind of assumed but it makes sense.
Honestly, I can't agree. TLJ is the most Star Wars has ever tried to hammer home a message and it explores that very thoroughly, while filling in plenty of worldbuilding-- we were just talking about the extra layer Canto Bight adds to the conflict we'd been following for seven movies at that point
And while I don't care for TRoS, they were definitely trying stuff with the story, just mostly bad and regressive stuff. I mean Exogol and Force dyads and secret Sith cults are all worldbuilding
I'm not saying those things were non-existent, just that they were a lower priority than merchandising and as a result, the attempts at worldbuilding and storytelling were unrefined and generally bad.
I mean, the porgs were just a solution to wildlife being on-camera, rather than a planned cash-in.
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I think there was like, a Mustafar expansion? I feel like HK-47 was there???
Yeah I just looked it up, he's absolutely in there
This clip is complete nonsense, and I didn't hear him speak once (which like, what's even the point), but by god, he's in there
I'm certain that in the SWRPG campaign of which this is clearly a dramatization, most or all of the players were rolling their eyes when Dave brought out his damn wolves again.
Much like the noble hedgehog, Filoni only knows a single trick.
But, it's a really good trick.
Spinning?
wait no that's echidnas
I think that information needs way more context. There was a ton of old EU lore about what Incom was and why they would make X-Wings for the Rebels and so on. The Disney explanation being "Mr. Monopoly makes all of it because he LOVES money!" is kind of... stupid. Like... wouldn't the Emperor just send troops to kill a company openly arming the Rebels, like when he massacred the banks and merchants at the end of the Clone Wars? There has to be a lot more to it. Not saying it's an unworkable idea, just that Rose's explanation is like... very stupid.
But a book seems to have leaked