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  • SolarSolar Registered User regular
    I think we're splitting hairs. Both were terrible. I think Voyager was worse but I don't think it's a competition at this stage

  • autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    It was a shame enterprise ended when it just started getting good (excluding the last episode)

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  • eEK!eEK! Registered User regular
    Guess its up to me to defend Voyager (what did I do to deserve this...).

    Yes its got a bunch of problems, but its also not afraid to be Star Trek and to ask the kind of pretentious questions that Star Trek should ask, sometimes that means they end up doing an episode where the Pilot and the Captain transform into Salamanders, but it also means they've got a fantastic episodes about the allocation of resources in American Healthcare and several great episodes about whether a computer programs simulated ego-mania can cause it to gain sentience (Yes, these are all Doctor episodes.. but still...).

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  • autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    Voyager was mostly just okay. It's greatest sin was its blandness

    It wasted huge opportunities, and seeing year of hell makes me think about what could have been, every time.

    And of course that they brought Jeri Ryan for sex appeal, but lucked out in that she actually is a great actress, too.

    Her and Robert Picardo basically carrying the rest of the series on their backs

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  • MancingtomMancingtom Registered User regular
    Voyager peaks as high as TOS, TNG, and DS9. Most of the time, though, it's Great Value Trek. I have complex feelings about it. It's the Trek I watched the most growing up--mandatory tv time on Mondays/Wednesdays from when I was 7 to 12--but I see more of its flaws now.

    Enterprise doesn't peak at all until they got rid of Berman, and by then it was too late. Its valleys are as low as TNG's Code of Honor, but it has a lot more of them. I remember the exact moment I gave up on it. It was the night before my 15th birthday. My mom and I sat down to watch the season 3 finale, "Zero Hour." I'd hated Enterprise from jump but I stuck it out. I knew, from TNG, DS9, and VOY, that Trek shows didn't find their feet until three seasons in. Enterprise put the lie to that myth. When we got to the end, saw the massive twist of "alien Nazis," I looked at my mom and said, "Yeah, I'm done."

    I never watched another episode of that show while it was airing.

    Voyager has plenty of issues--really, it might be more bad than good--but Enterprise made me give up on Trek.

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  • NightslyrNightslyr Registered User regular
    I would've liked to have seen moreof Manny Coto's Enterprise. It was obvious that he actually respected the franchise's source material, and he did what he could to fix a lot of the problems with the show up to that point (asshole, dogmatic Vulcans, T'Pol's mind meld STD, etc.).

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  • evilbobevilbob Registered User regular
    One thing I felt Enterprise did better than Voyager was that when characters were in scenes it usually felt like it was because the writers actually wanted that character there. In voyager a lot of the time they could have just been extras and it wouldn't have made the slightest bit of difference.

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  • NightslyrNightslyr Registered User regular
    evilbob wrote: »
    One thing I felt Enterprise did better than Voyager was that when characters were in scenes it usually felt like it was because the writers actually wanted that character there. In voyager a lot of the time they could have just been extras and it wouldn't have made the slightest bit of difference.

    Harry Kim wasn't an extra? :p

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    Nightslyr wrote: »
    evilbob wrote: »
    One thing I felt Enterprise did better than Voyager was that when characters were in scenes it usually felt like it was because the writers actually wanted that character there. In voyager a lot of the time they could have just been extras and it wouldn't have made the slightest bit of difference.

    Harry Kim wasn't an extra? :p

    They promoted him from extra to Ensign.

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  • CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    eEK! wrote: »
    Guess its up to me to defend Voyager (what did I do to deserve this...).

    Yes its got a bunch of problems, but its also not afraid to be Star Trek and to ask the kind of pretentious questions that Star Trek should ask, sometimes that means they end up doing an episode where the Pilot and the Captain transform into Salamanders, but it also means they've got a fantastic episodes about the allocation of resources in American Healthcare and several great episodes about whether a computer programs simulated ego-mania can cause it to gain sentience (Yes, these are all Doctor episodes.. but still...).

    Ha ha, I went back and forth on whether to do a Voyager defend post, I'm glad you took the bullet for us all.

    It's like, I have a love for it, but I know it's terrible. I have no similar love for Enterprise. Maybe I should force myself to watch the whole thing some day, perhaps there would be one character stand out that I'd be able to remember fondly.

  • evilbobevilbob Registered User regular
    Nightslyr wrote: »
    evilbob wrote: »
    One thing I felt Enterprise did better than Voyager was that when characters were in scenes it usually felt like it was because the writers actually wanted that character there. In voyager a lot of the time they could have just been extras and it wouldn't have made the slightest bit of difference.

    Harry Kim wasn't an extra? :p

    Chakotay is by far the worst offender.

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  • HardtargetHardtarget There Are Four Lights VancouverRegistered User regular
    Solar wrote: »
    I dunno. I think that all Trek has ever needed is a mixed cast with decent, dedicated actors and a smart, optimistic writer's room

    That's the thing about Trek. It can work with barely anything. You could do Star Trek in a shed, with some monitors as bridge screens, and as long as you get the spirit right, fans will accept it
    hm, so that's where Disco and Picard went wrong

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  • HardtargetHardtarget There Are Four Lights VancouverRegistered User regular
    Cambiata wrote: »
    eEK! wrote: »
    Guess its up to me to defend Voyager (what did I do to deserve this...).

    Yes its got a bunch of problems, but its also not afraid to be Star Trek and to ask the kind of pretentious questions that Star Trek should ask, sometimes that means they end up doing an episode where the Pilot and the Captain transform into Salamanders, but it also means they've got a fantastic episodes about the allocation of resources in American Healthcare and several great episodes about whether a computer programs simulated ego-mania can cause it to gain sentience (Yes, these are all Doctor episodes.. but still...).

    Ha ha, I went back and forth on whether to do a Voyager defend post, I'm glad you took the bullet for us all.

    It's like, I have a love for it, but I know it's terrible. I have no similar love for Enterprise. Maybe I should force myself to watch the whole thing some day, perhaps there would be one character stand out that I'd be able to remember fondly.

    assuming you like the Enterprise cast I would highly recommend season 4, it made me so sad we didn't get a season 5.

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  • NightslyrNightslyr Registered User regular
    Cambiata wrote: »
    eEK! wrote: »
    Guess its up to me to defend Voyager (what did I do to deserve this...).

    Yes its got a bunch of problems, but its also not afraid to be Star Trek and to ask the kind of pretentious questions that Star Trek should ask, sometimes that means they end up doing an episode where the Pilot and the Captain transform into Salamanders, but it also means they've got a fantastic episodes about the allocation of resources in American Healthcare and several great episodes about whether a computer programs simulated ego-mania can cause it to gain sentience (Yes, these are all Doctor episodes.. but still...).

    Ha ha, I went back and forth on whether to do a Voyager defend post, I'm glad you took the bullet for us all.

    It's like, I have a love for it, but I know it's terrible. I have no similar love for Enterprise. Maybe I should force myself to watch the whole thing some day, perhaps there would be one character stand out that I'd be able to remember fondly.

    The best character is Shran. By far.

    Of the regular cast, I'd say Trip, T'Pol, and Phlox are the best. Which is probably damning with faint praise.

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  • evilbobevilbob Registered User regular
    Is the episode specifically about Chakotay?

    If no, he could be replaced by literally anyone and nothing would change.

    If yes, haha fuck you it's sooooooo much worse.

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  • autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    Cambiata wrote: »
    eEK! wrote: »
    Guess its up to me to defend Voyager (what did I do to deserve this...).

    Yes its got a bunch of problems, but its also not afraid to be Star Trek and to ask the kind of pretentious questions that Star Trek should ask, sometimes that means they end up doing an episode where the Pilot and the Captain transform into Salamanders, but it also means they've got a fantastic episodes about the allocation of resources in American Healthcare and several great episodes about whether a computer programs simulated ego-mania can cause it to gain sentience (Yes, these are all Doctor episodes.. but still...).

    Ha ha, I went back and forth on whether to do a Voyager defend post, I'm glad you took the bullet for us all.

    It's like, I have a love for it, but I know it's terrible. I have no similar love for Enterprise. Maybe I should force myself to watch the whole thing some day, perhaps there would be one character stand out that I'd be able to remember fondly.

    Season 4 is mostly the saving grace for enterprise for me. There's some legitimately great episodes in there, and the two-parter right before the abysmally awful assassination that was the final episode is just really really great.

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  • CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    Maybe I won't force myself to watch the first three seasons, then. I probably wouldn't be able to endure. I'll just watch s4 and skip the last episode.

  • HardtargetHardtarget There Are Four Lights VancouverRegistered User regular
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    Maybe I won't force myself to watch the first three seasons, then. I probably wouldn't be able to endure. I'll just watch s4 and skip the last episode.

    oh have you never watched enterprise at all? Season 3 is decent enough, it's basically 1 long interconnected episode, not sure how well it has aged at this part. season 4 then moved to a full season of 3 episode arcs that were mostly enjoyable. The last episode is super dumb and the cast was really pissed off about it.

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  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    Enterprise's Mirror Universe story was just the right blend of silly and fanservice that I can't not like it.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Voyager was mostly just very generic TNG clone. It's .... ok most of the time.

    Enterprise is actively boring. And I don't think their attempts to shake that up in either S3 or S4 work in the end. And I'd argue the "try and explain TOS Klingons" is like the quintessential example of what was wrong with a lot of Enterprise's attempts to be an actual prequel.

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  • jammujammu 2020 is now. Registered User regular
    Season 3 was too much post-911-hard-men-doing-hard-choices-BS for me. I usually just skip it on rewatch.
    And I generally rank Enterprise in my top-3 star trek list.

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  • CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
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    Hardtarget wrote: »
    Cambiata wrote: »
    Maybe I won't force myself to watch the first three seasons, then. I probably wouldn't be able to endure. I'll just watch s4 and skip the last episode.

    oh have you never watched enterprise at all? Season 3 is decent enough, it's basically 1 long interconnected episode, not sure how well it has aged at this part. season 4 then moved to a full season of 3 episode arcs that were mostly enjoyable. The last episode is super dumb and the cast was really pissed off about it.

    Like I've watched a couple of episodes? And a lot of SFDebris reviews of it. I feel like SFDebris is curating the experience for me so I can still be entertained while getting to know the characters kinda/sorta. Like I don't have to actually watch long stretches of people rubbing gel on each other, it get pleasantly condensed for me.

    Edit: And yeah I'm not really behind "explaining the TOS Klingon's lack of headbumps." DS9 handled that subject perfectly just by saying "we do not speak of it." It don't need to be explained, I don't want it explained.

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  • SneaksSneaks Registered User regular
    Season 3 of Enterprise is—to date—the only season of any Star Trek show that's driven me to just bail on the show altogether. I get that the powers that be wanted to depict a version of humanity that wasn't as developed as what the previous series had presented us with, but the characters on Enterprise weren't even behaving like adults. Just a bunch of idiot teenagers in adult bodies on a spaceship, with a universe behind them trying to sell us on the absurd notion that they were the best of the best.

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  • CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
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    Archer bringing his fucking dog on a sensitive diplomatic mission, then getting angry because the aliens were offended that his dog peed on their sacred trees, JFC. Yeah that's dumb teenager behavior for sure. Why did they write it like that? They could have had a genuine reason for Archer - a supposedly practiced diplomat - to have gotten angry over the aliens' sensitivities. Like that Archer had scratched his nose with his left hand instead of his right hand, and that turned out to be a deep insult. Instead we got, "I brought my dog someplace I should never have brought my dog, and now I'm mad at other people because it turned out badly."

    At least Janeway is an enjoyable to watch psychopath.

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  • AuralynxAuralynx Darkness is a perspective Watching the ego workRegistered User regular
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    Cambiata wrote: »
    Hardtarget wrote: »
    Cambiata wrote: »
    Maybe I won't force myself to watch the first three seasons, then. I probably wouldn't be able to endure. I'll just watch s4 and skip the last episode.

    oh have you never watched enterprise at all? Season 3 is decent enough, it's basically 1 long interconnected episode, not sure how well it has aged at this part. season 4 then moved to a full season of 3 episode arcs that were mostly enjoyable. The last episode is super dumb and the cast was really pissed off about it.

    Like I've watched a couple of episodes? And a lot of SFDebris reviews of it. I feel like SFDebris is curating the experience for me so I can still be entertained while getting to know the characters kinda/sorta. Like I don't have to actually watch long stretches of people rubbing gel on each other, it get pleasantly condensed for me.

    Edit: And yeah I'm not really behind "explaining the TOS Klingon's lack of headbumps." DS9 handled that subject perfectly just by saying "we do not speak of it." It don't need to be explained, I don't want it explained.

    The Klingon-metamorphosis episodes are, to my recollection, some of the better ones in Enterprise, fwiw. The concept is fundamentally kind of silly but they're well executed.

    John Schuck turns in some really good work in a role that could easily just have been a guy holding a metaphorical sign that said "Dr. Klingon, MD," and John Billingsley does a good job too.

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  • Dark_SideDark_Side Registered User regular
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    Cambiata wrote: »
    Archer bringing his fucking dog on a sensitive diplomatic mission, then getting angry because the aliens were offended that his dog peed on their sacred trees, JFC. Yeah that's dumb teenager behavior for sure. Why did they write it like that? They could have had a genuine reason for Archer - a supposedly practiced diplomat - to have gotten angry over the aliens' sensitivities. Like that Archer had scratched his nose with his left hand instead of his right hand, and that turned out to be a deep insult. Instead we got, "I brought my dog someplace I should never have brought my dog, and now I'm mad at other people because it turned out badly."

    At least Janeway is an enjoyable to watch psychopath.

    The "angsty teenagers get a ship" acting was what killed the show for me. And what sucks is that it seems clear that was a conscious directing choice. The officers are all basically test pilots and I compare them to the pilots that ended up running the space program in the US. They may have been wild flyboys, but they knew how to be professional and work within the guidelines laid down by upper brass, and they were all experts in their respective fields. We weren't witness to Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong getting into a slapfight at the door of the lunar lander over who would get to walk on the moon first. Or Mike Collins whining to his superiors that it wasn't fair that he had to stay in the orbiter. A real life Archer would never have a dog on a long range space exploration ship in the first place, and he certainly wouldn't be bringing it onto a planet as part of a diplomatic mission because he'd be smart enough to know how dumb an idea that is.

    I understand the need to create interesting stories and dramatic urgency in episodes means the characters may be a little more outlandish compared to their real world mirrors, but Enterprise seemed to take it way too far over the line.

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  • CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    Oh yeah I remember why they wrote it like that, it was so that his fucking dog could get sick. WHICH IS YOUR OWN FAULT, ARCHER YOU TODDLER.

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  • HardtargetHardtarget There Are Four Lights VancouverRegistered User regular
    Auralynx wrote: »
    Cambiata wrote: »
    Hardtarget wrote: »
    Cambiata wrote: »
    Maybe I won't force myself to watch the first three seasons, then. I probably wouldn't be able to endure. I'll just watch s4 and skip the last episode.

    oh have you never watched enterprise at all? Season 3 is decent enough, it's basically 1 long interconnected episode, not sure how well it has aged at this part. season 4 then moved to a full season of 3 episode arcs that were mostly enjoyable. The last episode is super dumb and the cast was really pissed off about it.

    Like I've watched a couple of episodes? And a lot of SFDebris reviews of it. I feel like SFDebris is curating the experience for me so I can still be entertained while getting to know the characters kinda/sorta. Like I don't have to actually watch long stretches of people rubbing gel on each other, it get pleasantly condensed for me.

    Edit: And yeah I'm not really behind "explaining the TOS Klingon's lack of headbumps." DS9 handled that subject perfectly just by saying "we do not speak of it." It don't need to be explained, I don't want it explained.

    The Klingon-metamorphosis episodes are, to my recollection, some of the better ones in Enterprise, fwiw. The concept is fundamentally kind of silly but they're well executed.

    John Schuck turns in some really good work in a role that could easily just have been a guy holding a metaphorical sign that said "Dr. Klingon, MD," and John Billingsley does a good job too.

    ya exactly. I've never watched a SFDebris video (care to link some?) but the show itself was presented totally fine even if it was something that was silly to do.

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  • LeztaLezta Registered User regular
    I kinda feel that never having seen something, but some guys on YouTube told you it's crap, doesn't give you any real right to start slagging it off with such abandon.

    Enterprise has aged pretty well - and there's an awful lot of people going back to it now and going, 'You know what? Enterprise wasn't bad. Actually, it was often really good".

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  • CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    Hardtarget wrote: »
    Auralynx wrote: »
    Cambiata wrote: »
    Hardtarget wrote: »
    Cambiata wrote: »
    Maybe I won't force myself to watch the first three seasons, then. I probably wouldn't be able to endure. I'll just watch s4 and skip the last episode.

    oh have you never watched enterprise at all? Season 3 is decent enough, it's basically 1 long interconnected episode, not sure how well it has aged at this part. season 4 then moved to a full season of 3 episode arcs that were mostly enjoyable. The last episode is super dumb and the cast was really pissed off about it.

    Like I've watched a couple of episodes? And a lot of SFDebris reviews of it. I feel like SFDebris is curating the experience for me so I can still be entertained while getting to know the characters kinda/sorta. Like I don't have to actually watch long stretches of people rubbing gel on each other, it get pleasantly condensed for me.

    Edit: And yeah I'm not really behind "explaining the TOS Klingon's lack of headbumps." DS9 handled that subject perfectly just by saying "we do not speak of it." It don't need to be explained, I don't want it explained.

    The Klingon-metamorphosis episodes are, to my recollection, some of the better ones in Enterprise, fwiw. The concept is fundamentally kind of silly but they're well executed.

    John Schuck turns in some really good work in a role that could easily just have been a guy holding a metaphorical sign that said "Dr. Klingon, MD," and John Billingsley does a good job too.

    ya exactly. I've never watched a SFDebris video (care to link some?) but the show itself was presented totally fine even if it was something that was silly to do.

    From Enterprise specifically, or any video?

    Here's one about Enterprise, specifically regarding one the Augments episodes, since we're discussing that: https://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/e191.php

    Here's one about Voyager's Bride of Chaotica:
    https://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/v907.php

    What I like about SFDebris is that even if a show is overall bad, he'll point out the things that are done well, and that even if a show is overall good, he's not afraid to point out the flaws. He also clearly does a lot of research on what was happening in the backend that had an impact on what is happening on screen.

  • HardtargetHardtarget There Are Four Lights VancouverRegistered User regular
    Cambiata wrote: »
    Hardtarget wrote: »
    Auralynx wrote: »
    Cambiata wrote: »
    Hardtarget wrote: »
    Cambiata wrote: »
    Maybe I won't force myself to watch the first three seasons, then. I probably wouldn't be able to endure. I'll just watch s4 and skip the last episode.

    oh have you never watched enterprise at all? Season 3 is decent enough, it's basically 1 long interconnected episode, not sure how well it has aged at this part. season 4 then moved to a full season of 3 episode arcs that were mostly enjoyable. The last episode is super dumb and the cast was really pissed off about it.

    Like I've watched a couple of episodes? And a lot of SFDebris reviews of it. I feel like SFDebris is curating the experience for me so I can still be entertained while getting to know the characters kinda/sorta. Like I don't have to actually watch long stretches of people rubbing gel on each other, it get pleasantly condensed for me.

    Edit: And yeah I'm not really behind "explaining the TOS Klingon's lack of headbumps." DS9 handled that subject perfectly just by saying "we do not speak of it." It don't need to be explained, I don't want it explained.

    The Klingon-metamorphosis episodes are, to my recollection, some of the better ones in Enterprise, fwiw. The concept is fundamentally kind of silly but they're well executed.

    John Schuck turns in some really good work in a role that could easily just have been a guy holding a metaphorical sign that said "Dr. Klingon, MD," and John Billingsley does a good job too.

    ya exactly. I've never watched a SFDebris video (care to link some?) but the show itself was presented totally fine even if it was something that was silly to do.

    From Enterprise specifically, or any video?

    Here's one about Enterprise, specifically regarding one the Augments episodes, since we're discussing that: https://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/e191.php

    Here's one about Voyager's Bride of Chaotica:
    https://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/v907.php

    What I like about SFDebris is that even if a show is overall bad, he'll point out the things that are done well, and that even if a show is overall good, he's not afraid to point out the flaws. He also clearly does a lot of research on what was happening in the backend that had an impact on what is happening on screen.

    oh weird, he has a youtube but these videos are on it even though a ton of other vids are. that makes it a hassle to watch on TV later then :\

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  • CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    Hardtarget wrote: »
    Cambiata wrote: »
    Hardtarget wrote: »
    Auralynx wrote: »
    Cambiata wrote: »
    Hardtarget wrote: »
    Cambiata wrote: »
    Maybe I won't force myself to watch the first three seasons, then. I probably wouldn't be able to endure. I'll just watch s4 and skip the last episode.

    oh have you never watched enterprise at all? Season 3 is decent enough, it's basically 1 long interconnected episode, not sure how well it has aged at this part. season 4 then moved to a full season of 3 episode arcs that were mostly enjoyable. The last episode is super dumb and the cast was really pissed off about it.

    Like I've watched a couple of episodes? And a lot of SFDebris reviews of it. I feel like SFDebris is curating the experience for me so I can still be entertained while getting to know the characters kinda/sorta. Like I don't have to actually watch long stretches of people rubbing gel on each other, it get pleasantly condensed for me.

    Edit: And yeah I'm not really behind "explaining the TOS Klingon's lack of headbumps." DS9 handled that subject perfectly just by saying "we do not speak of it." It don't need to be explained, I don't want it explained.

    The Klingon-metamorphosis episodes are, to my recollection, some of the better ones in Enterprise, fwiw. The concept is fundamentally kind of silly but they're well executed.

    John Schuck turns in some really good work in a role that could easily just have been a guy holding a metaphorical sign that said "Dr. Klingon, MD," and John Billingsley does a good job too.

    ya exactly. I've never watched a SFDebris video (care to link some?) but the show itself was presented totally fine even if it was something that was silly to do.

    From Enterprise specifically, or any video?

    Here's one about Enterprise, specifically regarding one the Augments episodes, since we're discussing that: https://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/e191.php

    Here's one about Voyager's Bride of Chaotica:
    https://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/v907.php

    What I like about SFDebris is that even if a show is overall bad, he'll point out the things that are done well, and that even if a show is overall good, he's not afraid to point out the flaws. He also clearly does a lot of research on what was happening in the backend that had an impact on what is happening on screen.

    oh weird, he has a youtube but these videos are on it even though a ton of other vids are. that makes it a hassle to watch on TV later then :\

    Yeah, he's had a problem with Youtube taking his videos down (multiple times), so a few years back he said fuck it and took them to another service.

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  • Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    Archer is a wretched human being just for bringing his poor dog on the trip with him. The fact that Flox has a menagerie of creatures for research just kinda underlines that only a monster would bring a physically active pet onto a tiny ship, particularly when you've got long hours and weird scheduling.

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    Lezta wrote: »
    I kinda feel that never having seen something, but some guys on YouTube told you it's crap, doesn't give you any real right to start slagging it off with such abandon.

    Enterprise has aged pretty well - and there's an awful lot of people going back to it now and going, 'You know what? Enterprise wasn't bad. Actually, it was often really good".

    As someone who's watched a bunch of it, Enterprise is as bad as it ever was. Time doesn't improve bad writing, bland characters and a non-zero amount of abject stupidity and insulting attempts at titillation.

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  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    Yeah I'd echo the sentiments expressed by others re: the difference between Voyager and Enterprise.

    You can watch an episode of Voyager here and there, because it was basically a poorly-done remake of TNG with less consistent characterization and diversity. Enterprise was so obnoxiously bad and nonsensical that I stopped watching it after a few episodes, and the few times I tried to re-engage (get it?!) with it, it would still be just as bad and boring as before.

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  • CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    Lezta wrote: »
    I kinda feel that never having seen something, but some guys on YouTube told you it's crap, doesn't give you any real right to start slagging it off with such abandon.

    Enterprise has aged pretty well - and there's an awful lot of people going back to it now and going, 'You know what? Enterprise wasn't bad. Actually, it was often really good".

    As a lover of a video game that everyone else hated (Mass Effect Andromeda) I feel you, but I have seen some Enterprise, and what I saw was painful and cringeworthy. You can't even get me to watch the first season of TNG over again, and I love that show. I don't think I have the fortitude to watch all of Enterprise, even at my most masochistic.

  • evilbobevilbob Registered User regular
    Ahahaha my first thought on seeing sfdebris get mentioned was "I haven't checked his site for a while, wonder if he's reviewed the andromeda strain given world events"

    yep

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  • Lord_AsmodeusLord_Asmodeus goeticSobriquet: Here is your magical cryptic riddle-tumour: I AM A TIME MACHINERegistered User regular
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    Brother referred this article to me. I've seen it mentioned as it being the writers talking about their goals, but it seems like an interpretation of what the show was trying to do, more than that directly from the writers?

    https://www.startrek.com/news/the-humbling-of-admiral-picard

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  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    Yeah that article reads like a massive fluff piece... They may have had all the best intentions in the world but the story was just not good.

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  • HardtargetHardtarget There Are Four Lights VancouverRegistered User regular
    Yeah that article reads like a massive fluff piece... They may have had all the best intentions in the world but the story was just not good.

    published on startrek dot com? weird!

    :p

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