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I suspect that, although it their treatment wasn't justified, to the extent that they might have been hounded off of world after world by solids given their behavior, it might have been more than just simple paranoia
like maybe the Founders kept telling people how they should be ordering their societies. And perhaps with varied methods to get them to do it.
Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if Labor had not first existed. Labor is superior to capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. - Lincoln
Both the Founders and Section 31 took a 'this might be a threat to us = this is a threat to us, ergo we must destroy it' approach. Neatly justifying their actions with the fact that see? We tried to wipe them out just in case, and now they're all pissed about it and being a threat, we were right all along!
Hey spoilers but ep5 kicks right off with some serious extended eye gore. Whatever the context its in, it's still gross. I wish they'd stop just doing whatever they want in Trek "just because they can".
Edit: Now that I've watched 5 episodes, i can cement this new show into Very Good but also yet another example of people thinking that premiere tv = making your viewers miserable. Walking dead, game of thrones, discovery. So many shows where the permeating theme of the show is "do bad things to our characters for a long time but i swear there's a payoff wait no come back". I'm just...not into that right now.
I love Pratchett's joke on this. An explorer points to a mountain and asks a local what it is called. The mountain is then named as the words spoken in the locals language. Which translates to "Your finger, you idiot!"
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Realistically a universal translator knows what language it is translating and so none of that matters. Sahara means desert in arabic, not english. Plus you'd almost certainly have a robust library of proper nouns and the like.
i quite like the idea that the Founders are just the Roman Empire. Therefore it makes sense if their Oppression economy can't sustain itself without conquering new worlds and taking their resources to maintain Oppression.
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The universal translator has always read the script so it knows exactly how to translate what is being said.
It's a stupid idea but the Changelings are painfully stupid at times in their own alien way
Which tracks, like, everyone has their intellectual blind spots. They're also as an entity culture basically the embodiment of group think to a fault. They'll all convince themselves this is a great idea, I totally buy that
The Hundred were sent out centuries ago. Presumably, they were sent during a time before the Founders became so fascist. They might have even been sent before the creation of the Dominion. It is implied that the Changelings are immortal so time isn't an issue for them.
It's a stupid idea but the Changelings are painfully stupid at times in their own alien way
Which tracks, like, everyone has their intellectual blind spots. They're also as an entity culture basically the embodiment of group think to a fault. They'll all convince themselves this is a great idea, I totally buy that
The Hundred were sent out centuries ago. Presumably, they were sent during a time before the Founders became so fascist. They might have even been sent before the creation of the Dominion. It is implied that the Changelings are immortal so time isn't an issue for them.
The Dominion is like two thousand years old. I'm not sure on what they specifically say about when The Hundred were sent out, but presumably it was after that.
It's a stupid idea but the Changelings are painfully stupid at times in their own alien way
Which tracks, like, everyone has their intellectual blind spots. They're also as an entity culture basically the embodiment of group think to a fault. They'll all convince themselves this is a great idea, I totally buy that
The Hundred were sent out centuries ago. Presumably, they were sent during a time before the Founders became so fascist. They might have even been sent before the creation of the Dominion. It is implied that the Changelings are immortal so time isn't an issue for them.
The Dominion is like two thousand years old. I'm not sure on what they specifically say about when The Hundred were sent out, but presumably it was after that.
Not necessarily. Odo didn't show up in anything warp capable. Trek is always a bit weird with times and distances on the galactic scale, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were sent out thousands of years ago.
The universal translator works by reading the brain-waves of the person or some such, IIRC. That is presumably how it know when a word is meant to be translated and when it's a proper name to keep intact. Or when it's a cultural thing to not translate at all, like when Klingons say Qa'pla it doesn't translate to "hi diddly ho neighborino".
The Female Founder did say that they didn't expect the first of the Hundred to return for another 300 years.
Also, the fact that the Founders don't age means that they don't care about the speed of travel. It doesn't really matter to them if it takes 400 or 500 years to get from one side of the galaxy to the other. Heck, for all we know, the Founders dropped the Hundred off in warp 5 ships.
Founders fell into the common 4x trap, since they didn't need to develop their tech to colonize planets, they let that lapse and got crushed by the other races who spent more time in the lab.
Sad really, but kind of impressive to see how thoroughly they made a comeback.
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i quite like the idea that the Founders are just the Roman Empire. Therefore it makes sense if their Oppression economy can't sustain itself without conquering new worlds and taking their resources to maintain Oppression.
Honestly this is a bit of an unfair comparison
for the Roman Empire
Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if Labor had not first existed. Labor is superior to capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. - Lincoln
The Dominion does not seem to ever want for resources and that does not seem to be any sort of consideration in their expansionist policy.
I do not see how you came to this conclusion. They completely rely on constant flow of resources from the wormhole and then later from factories they set up inside their conquered territories. They were always low on White and other supplies and the biggest Federation victories were in disrupting those resources.
The Dominion does not seem to ever want for resources and that does not seem to be any sort of consideration in their expansionist policy.
I do not see how you came to this conclusion. They completely rely on constant flow of resources from the wormhole and then later from factories they set up inside their conquered territories. They were always low on White and other supplies and the biggest Federation victories were in disrupting those resources.
That's after the war is already started. Once you are fighting in the alpha quadrant the wormhole obviously represents a supply bottleneck and one that Sisko ultimately controls one way or the other. But they did not start the war because of resources.
Picard Ep 5 was pretty good! Though not perfect by a long shot. It's also a nice change of pace to see Frakes directing, I've noticed he likes to throw pretty unconventional camera angles and actor positioning in every now and then, and it worked pretty well the few times he did it in episode 5.
I was hoping for more out of the "heist" scene with the crazy get ups and what not, but was left sort of wanting - the cast has still got that awkward first season vibe when all together.
7 will be missed, as it felt like Jerry Ryan brought some serious life to the show. She's so far been the only one that feels real on screen. She takes over every scene she's in and they really nailed her wardrobe. Even Stewart's performance has weirdly seemed to lack confidence -but that might be chalked up to 7's side plot and motivations being pretty straightforward. It was a nice touch for her to ask Picard about his humanity. And that line about wanting to allow Picard to still have hope was rad.
The villain turn with Agnes was well done and a surprise.
I'm also starting to suspect Rios somehow downloaded portions of his personality into the EMH program.
colorful and lively Freecloud was compared to Federation worlds.
Federation worlds tend to be sterile, uniform, and rather boring. While it makes sense for Starfleet quarters to be simple and plain, civilian areas rarely have any personality or interesting aesthetics. And places that do have their own style tend to have it because of their history, like Picard's vineyard or Sisko's restaurant. Modern Federation style seem to be as bland as generic hotels.
And Vashti was so much more diverse compared to Romulus. There are all sorts of different Romulan cultures and fashion on Vashti, even after it's been deteriorating for more than a decade. While Romulus was grey and boring, with every Romulan having the same terrible haircut and clothing.
It seems like established powers like the Federation and Romulan Star Empire are culturally stagnant.
TNG reunification:
Starts interesting. Then bam, Sela. Villain monologue. Ugh.
The romulan plot seems overly complicated compared to to how it was countered by just flying a cloaked ship into the empire and beaming people down and up and down and up.
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Listening to the latest episode of The Greatest Discovery podcast, they point out
that Rios' ship is called La Serena. My first thought is - is this a Firefly reference? Is the ship named Serenity? Now googling some Spanish dictionaries tell me that la serena means the night air, so it's not a direct translation to serenity, but still it seems too close to not be a reference.
Also on Rios, I was expecting not to like him, I was expecting them to be trying too hard to make him 'cool' and for it not to work. To my surprise, I think he's a good character and I like him!
"If you divide the whole world into just enemies and friends, you'll end up destroying everything" --Nausicaa of the Valley of Wind
Listening to the latest episode of The Greatest Discovery podcast, they point out
that Rios' ship is called La Serena. My first thought is - is this a Firefly reference? Is the ship named Serenity? Now googling some Spanish dictionaries tell me that la serena means the night air, so it's not a direct translation to serenity, but still it seems too close to not be a reference.
Also on Rios, I was expecting not to like him, I was expecting them to be trying too hard to make him 'cool' and for it not to work. To my surprise, I think he's a good character and I like him!
Ship name is actually La Sirena which is a Mermaid-like creature in Filipino Mythology. You can see the official ship logo here:
TNG reunification:
Starts interesting. Then bam, Sela. Villain monologue. Ugh.
The romulan plot seems overly complicated compared to to how it was countered by just flying a cloaked ship into the empire and beaming people down and up and down and up.
2000 invading Romulans always seemed like an insufficient number to hold Vulcan.
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Get Smart (99), and Stranger Things(11)? I mean it could be an incredible coincidence but he's trying for the name of a female character that's a number, and he just happens to come up with two others?
Hey spoilers but ep5 kicks right off with some serious extended eye gore. Whatever the context its in, it's still gross. I wish they'd stop just doing whatever they want in Trek "just because they can".
Edit: Now that I've watched 5 episodes, i can cement this new show into Very Good but also yet another example of people thinking that premiere tv = making your viewers miserable. Walking dead, game of thrones, discovery. So many shows where the permeating theme of the show is "do bad things to our characters for a long time but i swear there's a payoff wait no come back". I'm just...not into that right now.
I cannot deal with eye stuff at all. I had my face covered for that first part. I literally passed out for a full minute at the ophthalmologist due to stress and all the did was dilate me and take pictures of my retina.
TNG reunification:
Starts interesting. Then bam, Sela. Villain monologue. Ugh.
The romulan plot seems overly complicated compared to to how it was countered by just flying a cloaked ship into the empire and beaming people down and up and down and up.
2000 invading Romulans always seemed like an insufficient number to hold Vulcan.
I assume they were planning to hold the planet hostage with anti-matter bombs or whatever super weapons the Romulans have. It would be easy for Starfleet or the Vulcans to overpower 2,000 commandos, but 2,000 commandos with bombs that can blow up a continent? Probably wouldn't want to risk it.
Hey spoilers but ep5 kicks right off with some serious extended eye gore. Whatever the context its in, it's still gross. I wish they'd stop just doing whatever they want in Trek "just because they can".
Edit: Now that I've watched 5 episodes, i can cement this new show into Very Good but also yet another example of people thinking that premiere tv = making your viewers miserable. Walking dead, game of thrones, discovery. So many shows where the permeating theme of the show is "do bad things to our characters for a long time but i swear there's a payoff wait no come back". I'm just...not into that right now.
I cannot deal with eye stuff at all. I had my face covered for that first part. I literally passed out for a full minute at the ophthalmologist due to stress and all the did was dilate me and take pictures of my retina.
Yeah I'm very close to the same way so I wanted to kinda give a heads up.
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like maybe the Founders kept telling people how they should be ordering their societies. And perhaps with varied methods to get them to do it.
Edit: Now that I've watched 5 episodes, i can cement this new show into Very Good but also yet another example of people thinking that premiere tv = making your viewers miserable. Walking dead, game of thrones, discovery. So many shows where the permeating theme of the show is "do bad things to our characters for a long time but i swear there's a payoff wait no come back". I'm just...not into that right now.
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I love Pratchett's joke on this. An explorer points to a mountain and asks a local what it is called. The mountain is then named as the words spoken in the locals language. Which translates to "Your finger, you idiot!"
The Hundred were sent out centuries ago. Presumably, they were sent during a time before the Founders became so fascist. They might have even been sent before the creation of the Dominion. It is implied that the Changelings are immortal so time isn't an issue for them.
The Dominion is like two thousand years old. I'm not sure on what they specifically say about when The Hundred were sent out, but presumably it was after that.
Not necessarily. Odo didn't show up in anything warp capable. Trek is always a bit weird with times and distances on the galactic scale, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were sent out thousands of years ago.
Also, the fact that the Founders don't age means that they don't care about the speed of travel. It doesn't really matter to them if it takes 400 or 500 years to get from one side of the galaxy to the other. Heck, for all we know, the Founders dropped the Hundred off in warp 5 ships.
Sad really, but kind of impressive to see how thoroughly they made a comeback.
Honestly this is a bit of an unfair comparison
for the Roman Empire
I do not see how you came to this conclusion. They completely rely on constant flow of resources from the wormhole and then later from factories they set up inside their conquered territories. They were always low on White and other supplies and the biggest Federation victories were in disrupting those resources.
That's after the war is already started. Once you are fighting in the alpha quadrant the wormhole obviously represents a supply bottleneck and one that Sisko ultimately controls one way or the other. But they did not start the war because of resources.
I was hoping for more out of the "heist" scene with the crazy get ups and what not, but was left sort of wanting - the cast has still got that awkward first season vibe when all together.
7 will be missed, as it felt like Jerry Ryan brought some serious life to the show. She's so far been the only one that feels real on screen. She takes over every scene she's in and they really nailed her wardrobe. Even Stewart's performance has weirdly seemed to lack confidence -but that might be chalked up to 7's side plot and motivations being pretty straightforward. It was a nice touch for her to ask Picard about his humanity. And that line about wanting to allow Picard to still have hope was rad.
The villain turn with Agnes was well done and a surprise.
I'm also starting to suspect Rios somehow downloaded portions of his personality into the EMH program.
Federation worlds tend to be sterile, uniform, and rather boring. While it makes sense for Starfleet quarters to be simple and plain, civilian areas rarely have any personality or interesting aesthetics. And places that do have their own style tend to have it because of their history, like Picard's vineyard or Sisko's restaurant. Modern Federation style seem to be as bland as generic hotels.
And Vashti was so much more diverse compared to Romulus. There are all sorts of different Romulan cultures and fashion on Vashti, even after it's been deteriorating for more than a decade. While Romulus was grey and boring, with every Romulan having the same terrible haircut and clothing.
It seems like established powers like the Federation and Romulan Star Empire are culturally stagnant.
Starts interesting. Then bam, Sela. Villain monologue. Ugh.
The romulan plot seems overly complicated compared to to how it was countered by just flying a cloaked ship into the empire and beaming people down and up and down and up.
Also on Rios, I was expecting not to like him, I was expecting them to be trying too hard to make him 'cool' and for it not to work. To my surprise, I think he's a good character and I like him!
I liked the interweaving of the Voyager theme as Seven leaves. It kinda sets you up for the rug pull of her going right back to vengeance.
Ship name is actually La Sirena which is a Mermaid-like creature in Filipino Mythology. You can see the official ship logo here:
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2000 invading Romulans always seemed like an insufficient number to hold Vulcan.
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I agree, the fans really need to get a grip on themselves
Second best part? Big neon Quark's sign on Freecloud! That whole planet screams Quark. It's too perfect.
I cannot deal with eye stuff at all. I had my face covered for that first part. I literally passed out for a full minute at the ophthalmologist due to stress and all the did was dilate me and take pictures of my retina.
I assume they were planning to hold the planet hostage with anti-matter bombs or whatever super weapons the Romulans have. It would be easy for Starfleet or the Vulcans to overpower 2,000 commandos, but 2,000 commandos with bombs that can blow up a continent? Probably wouldn't want to risk it.
Yeah I'm very close to the same way so I wanted to kinda give a heads up.
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