Best part of episode 5? Not a single scene with the incest twins.
Second best part? Big neon Quark's sign on Freecloud! That whole planet screams Quark. It's too perfect.
Come to Quark's, Quark's is fun!
Come right now, don't walk, run!
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Metzger MeisterIt Gets Worsebefore it gets any better.Registered Userregular
The episode where Thomas Riker steals the defiant is a good one, except when he's mean to O'Brien. And Miles was so sad about it too! Friggin kinda-evil Riker.
The episode where Thomas Riker steals the defiant is a good one, except when he's mean to O'Brien. And Miles was so sad about it too! Friggin kinda-evil Riker.
The episode where Thomas Riker steals the defiant is a good one, except when he's mean to O'Brien. And Miles was so sad about it too! Friggin kinda-evil Riker.
The fact that they go with him ripping off his sideburns to ominous music to end a segment is possible one of the best jokes the franchise has ever done. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVFWJ6DxVZc
Cause if you aren't really into Star Trek it's completely baffling.
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CambiataCommander ShepardThe likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered Userregular
My favorite media reviewer, Movies with Mikey, did a video on the history of Star Trek. Like all of his videos, it's really good! My favorite part being that he can praise someone while also pointing out their deepest flaws, and it never seems inconsistent, mean, or like he's shitting on the person for the fun of it.
Oh BBC, you and your getting the vapours over weird things. The more things change!
(I refer to the later anecdote of TNG's The High Ground, a story ostensibly about terrorism, got shelved by the BBC for Data claiming Ireland achieved reunification in 2024 through terrorism.)
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CambiataCommander ShepardThe likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered Userregular
edited February 2020
Recently, my favorite show, Steven Universe, got cancelled in parts of Europe (including the UK), because they made explicit that two characters are both GIRLS and in love. They did this visually by having the masc-presenting character wearing a dress, and the fem-presenting character wear a tux (for their wedding), so no amount of dubbing changes could "Fix" it.
So yeah, the more things change.
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"If you divide the whole world into just enemies and friends, you'll end up destroying everything" --Nausicaa of the Valley of Wind
Best part of episode 5? Not a single scene with the incest twins.
Second best part? Big neon Quark's sign on Freecloud! That whole planet screams Quark. It's too perfect.
I also noticed
that during his interrogation of Rios, Mister Fop mentioned a positive reference from “Mister Quark, on Feringar” which led me to believe that the Quark’s we see on Freecloud is a franchise. Quark doing well for himself, entanglements with the Breen notwithstanding!
My favorite media reviewer, Movies with Mikey, did a video on the history of Star Trek. Like all of his videos, it's really good! My favorite part being that he can praise someone while also pointing out their deepest flaws, and it never seems inconsistent, mean, or like he's shitting on the person for the fun of it.
So I was re-watching the end of TOS "Amok Time", where Spock openly shows his joy at finding out he didn't kill his captain and friend, and then tries to restore (or retreat behind) his dignity. And part of that, which I never noticed before 'cause it's quick and subtle and we don't see his hands: he gives his tunic a quick tug down, what a later generation would call the (real) "Picard Maneuver".
But that's not what I thought of first. No, I thought of that scene in Wrath of Khan, where Spock again takes a moment to adjust his uniform and compose himself, before speaking to his captain and friend... one last time.
Commander Zoom on
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Ninja Snarl PMy helmet is my burden.Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered Userregular
The original actor for Bruce Maddox, Brian Brophy, doesn't seem to be an active actor, either. Sounds like he is focused on teaching at Caltech now.
Orville doesn't seem to have any trouble pulling in a pile of Trek actors. Granted, it's not having them reprise former roles, but it does seem like it shouldn't be that hard to get some of the former actors to come back.
I've finally caught up to episode 5 so pardon me if this has been mentioned before in the spoilers, I've been avoiding them until now:
Firstly, the sublime: I was watching Ep 4 while trying to fix some laptops for my day job, so I was only half paying attention to the screen. I happen to look up around 22:20 and noticed something delightful
Soji does the little "Data head tilt" thing Data did whenever he was confused. Pretty sure it was intentional since she's right in the middle of the frame when she does it.
Now my complaints:
I'm kinda dissapointed that the episodes are rated M. My wife and I have been wanting to share this with our 12-year-old since she's become a big fan of TOS and TNG recently. But I mean, all of the series that aired on network television were usually appropriate for 10+. I mean, there was some violence but it was usually brief and not filled with gore. We've tried showing her some of the episodes by selectively cutting out some of the really nauseating scenes from ep. 1-4. But ep. 5 has proven really difficult what with
Seven of Nine going on a revenge spree and constantly having flashbacks and then later what with Bruce Maddox going all purple
it's really hard to cut out the nasty stuff. Anyway, I just feel disappointed because I first watch TOS and TNG when I was 12 and it was designed to appeal to a wide audience back then (yes, Wesley Crusher was my favorite character why do you ask?)
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"Simple, real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time." -Mustrum Ridcully in Terry Pratchett's Hogfather p. 142 (HarperPrism 1996)
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HardtargetThere Are Four LightsVancouverRegistered Userregular
some good content from both redlettermedia and junkball!
some good content from both redlettermedia and junkball!
god I seriously cannot give any less of a shit about RLM anymore
they've become such irritating hacks these days, it really bums me out
Wow, imagine a star trek captain poisoning a whole planet, or leading a whole race into a war under false pretext. Or traveling back in time and recklessly endangering the alpha quadrant. Or going crazy and machine gunning down some Borg who used to be crew members hours ago. Or selling weapons to primitive aliens to arm them against other primitive aliens. Or a captain that dreams about Borg implants coming from his eyes.
Imagine that there ever was something like strife or suffering in star trek. Whew, if there were, then all these arguments would just be total bullshit stemming from some seriously misled nostalgia and only half remembering the source material.
Imagine! Torture in Star Trek! Wow. That never happened before.
Why, it's so blindingly wrong, it's like I'm seeing five lights.
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It's almost like your mind has evolved to make you forget painful things that happened to you in the past so that you can move forward in life, which has the unintended side-effect of tinting your memory with rose-colored glasses.
some good content from both redlettermedia and junkball!
god I seriously cannot give any less of a shit about RLM anymore
they've become such irritating hacks these days, it really bums me out
Wow, imagine a star trek captain poisoning a whole planet, or leading a whole race into a war under false pretext. Or traveling back in time and recklessly endangering the alpha quadrant. Or going crazy and machine gunning down some Borg who used to be crew members hours ago. Or selling weapons to primitive aliens to arm them against other primitive aliens. Or a captain that dreams about Borg implants coming from his eyes.
Imagine that there ever was something like strife or suffering in star trek. Whew, if there were, then all these arguments would just be total bullshit stemming from some seriously misled nostalgia and only half remembering the source material.
nah nah why think about the series as a whole when you can be edgy and make clickbaity videos where you just sit around and complain about stuff not living up to your shitty sense of nostalgia?
To cross the star-streams, those tweets remind me of people getting excited at the rumours George Lucas was interested in resuming control of his own Star thing after, well, stuff best left for the relevant thread.
Right, but that was just one scene at the end of the episode and was specifically about progressing Data's character. The entirety of TNG was rated PG, so even people getting vaporized by beam weapons was more cartoonish and less gory than ripping out someone's internal organs while making "stirring the mayonnaise jar" sound effects.
Even Picard's nightmares ended before it got disgusting.
Edit: oh wait we're talking about RLM not my comments? Nvm then.
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"Simple, real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time." -Mustrum Ridcully in Terry Pratchett's Hogfather p. 142 (HarperPrism 1996)
I still find RLM fairly entertaining but a lot of their criticism is based on selective memory of the lore. Like the idea Picard and data had no personal relationship backed up by clips of Picard being "command face Picard" or based on their relationship at the start of their 7+ years serving together and ignoring the character development of the later seasons and movies. Picard spent time teaching Data shakespere on the holodeck, thats as close to sharing a personal experience as he ever got! And whether you love or hate the TNG movies they're cannon, you can't just ignore them because they spoil your point.
Also were they really expecting an episodic series of morality tales using the same 5 sets and cgi shots of the ship? They did that already, it's TOS and TNG. They're great shows but media has moved on and no one is going to make a show the exact same way as they did in 1969 and 1989. They're coming across a bit "old man shaking cane at sky".
All of that said I still think most of Rich Evans plot predictions will turn out to be correct.
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HardtargetThere Are Four LightsVancouverRegistered Userregular
edited February 2020
ok so i think people are confusing things in this thread.
the issue is not that there is torture or whatever in star trek, of course there was, but there was context and story arcs and many many episodes of not grimdark before we got to that. the complaints that people have with picard is that it feels like every episode is the grimdark climax and that none of the work was done to get there.
Was the actual on-screen stuff a bit much? Yeah, probably, I can agree with that.
But what I've been seeing a lot of from social media is people being outraged at the mere concept of the event in question happening in the first place. Or the there might be serious themes and political commentary and whatnot in Picard
Posts
Come right now, don't walk, run!
Even goes full Xanatos in the middle of it
The fact that they go with him ripping off his sideburns to ominous music to end a segment is possible one of the best jokes the franchise has ever done.
Cause if you aren't really into Star Trek it's completely baffling.
(I refer to the later anecdote of TNG's The High Ground, a story ostensibly about terrorism, got shelved by the BBC for Data claiming Ireland achieved reunification in 2024 through terrorism.)
So yeah, the more things change.
I also noticed
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yeah this was really good
Also would it kill CBS to hire the original actors for these people, come on.
But that's not what I thought of first. No, I thought of that scene in Wrath of Khan, where Spock again takes a moment to adjust his uniform and compose himself, before speaking to his captain and friend... one last time.
Orville doesn't seem to have any trouble pulling in a pile of Trek actors. Granted, it's not having them reprise former roles, but it does seem like it shouldn't be that hard to get some of the former actors to come back.
Especially since
And now we saw
We saw everything
Firstly, the sublime: I was watching Ep 4 while trying to fix some laptops for my day job, so I was only half paying attention to the screen. I happen to look up around 22:20 and noticed something delightful
Now my complaints:
I'm kinda dissapointed that the episodes are rated M. My wife and I have been wanting to share this with our 12-year-old since she's become a big fan of TOS and TNG recently. But I mean, all of the series that aired on network television were usually appropriate for 10+. I mean, there was some violence but it was usually brief and not filled with gore. We've tried showing her some of the episodes by selectively cutting out some of the really nauseating scenes from ep. 1-4. But ep. 5 has proven really difficult what with
We know where it is. He gave it to 7 of 9 as hers was failing, and he could survive without it.
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Where do I click the "I want to know more" button?
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He said some shit after Anthony Rapp accused Spacey of trying to seduce him when he was only 14.
Revenge isn't new im Trek..
(from 3:09)
god I seriously cannot give any less of a shit about RLM anymore
they've become such irritating hacks these days, it really bums me out
Wow, imagine a star trek captain poisoning a whole planet, or leading a whole race into a war under false pretext. Or traveling back in time and recklessly endangering the alpha quadrant. Or going crazy and machine gunning down some Borg who used to be crew members hours ago. Or selling weapons to primitive aliens to arm them against other primitive aliens. Or a captain that dreams about Borg implants coming from his eyes.
Imagine that there ever was something like strife or suffering in star trek. Whew, if there were, then all these arguments would just be total bullshit stemming from some seriously misled nostalgia and only half remembering the source material.
Why, it's so blindingly wrong, it's like I'm seeing five lights.
nah nah why think about the series as a whole when you can be edgy and make clickbaity videos where you just sit around and complain about stuff not living up to your shitty sense of nostalgia?
Like do they really remember?
Right, but that was just one scene at the end of the episode and was specifically about progressing Data's character. The entirety of TNG was rated PG, so even people getting vaporized by beam weapons was more cartoonish and less gory than ripping out someone's internal organs while making "stirring the mayonnaise jar" sound effects.
Even Picard's nightmares ended before it got disgusting.
Edit: oh wait we're talking about RLM not my comments? Nvm then.
Also were they really expecting an episodic series of morality tales using the same 5 sets and cgi shots of the ship? They did that already, it's TOS and TNG. They're great shows but media has moved on and no one is going to make a show the exact same way as they did in 1969 and 1989. They're coming across a bit "old man shaking cane at sky".
All of that said I still think most of Rich Evans plot predictions will turn out to be correct.
the issue is not that there is torture or whatever in star trek, of course there was, but there was context and story arcs and many many episodes of not grimdark before we got to that. the complaints that people have with picard is that it feels like every episode is the grimdark climax and that none of the work was done to get there.
But what I've been seeing a lot of from social media is people being outraged at the mere concept of the event in question happening in the first place. Or the there might be serious themes and political commentary and whatnot in Picard
which is so absurd it actually hurts