The [Impeachment] Trial of the 45th President of the United States Begins 2020/01/21

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  • CogCog Registered User regular
    Anyone watching the hearing this morning?


    This morning the House Judiciary Committee will hold their second round of public hearings in preparation for Impeachment proceedings against President Donald Trump. Today’s hearing follow’s last week’s statement from Speaker Nancy Pelosi, requesting that House Committee Chairmen proceed with Articles of Impeachment and will receive presentations of evidence from counsel to the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence and the House Judiciary Committee

    In preparation, this weekend Chairman Jerry Nadler released a report entitled Constitutional Grounds for Presidential Impeachment

    Today’s hearing will call Majority and Minority Counsel for both the House Judiciary Committee and House Intelligence Committee as witnesses, to provide presentations of evidence.

    Democrats call:
    Barry Berke, Majority Counsel, House Judiciary Committee
    Daniel Goldman, Majority Counsel, House Intelligence Committee

    Republicans call:
    Steve Castor, Minority Counsel, House Judiciary Committee, House Intelligence Committee

    Some audience member just did a big outburst for a minute and was escorted out.

    Was that an audience member or was that Matt Gaetz?

    I’m not kidding. I missed the whole thing but people are saying Matt Gaetz had something sort of outburst. I can’t tell if it was just him yelling “I object” at the very start or if the rant was him too.

    It was just some rando in the audience.

    Gaetz had a big fit about some parliamentary point of order that he yelled out without being recognized.

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  • BrodyBrody The Watch The First ShoreRegistered User regular
    Cog wrote: »
    Anyone watching the hearing this morning?


    This morning the House Judiciary Committee will hold their second round of public hearings in preparation for Impeachment proceedings against President Donald Trump. Today’s hearing follow’s last week’s statement from Speaker Nancy Pelosi, requesting that House Committee Chairmen proceed with Articles of Impeachment and will receive presentations of evidence from counsel to the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence and the House Judiciary Committee

    In preparation, this weekend Chairman Jerry Nadler released a report entitled Constitutional Grounds for Presidential Impeachment

    Today’s hearing will call Majority and Minority Counsel for both the House Judiciary Committee and House Intelligence Committee as witnesses, to provide presentations of evidence.

    Democrats call:
    Barry Berke, Majority Counsel, House Judiciary Committee
    Daniel Goldman, Majority Counsel, House Intelligence Committee

    Republicans call:
    Steve Castor, Minority Counsel, House Judiciary Committee, House Intelligence Committee

    Some audience member just did a big outburst for a minute and was escorted out.

    Was that an audience member or was that Matt Gaetz?

    I’m not kidding. I missed the whole thing but people are saying Matt Gaetz had something sort of outburst. I can’t tell if it was just him yelling “I object” at the very start or if the rant was him too.

    It was just some rando in the audience.

    Gaetz had a big fit about some parliamentary point of order that he yelled out without being recognized.

    Someone said is was a jackass from InfoWars.

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  • CogCog Registered User regular
    Me while the Democrats or one of their witnesses are talking:

    "Yep. I agree with this. These facts have been gone over a dozen times, seems pretty air-tight. Lets get to the Republicans and see how they can possibly deny any of this."

    Me while the Republicans or one of their witnesses are talking:

    "Jesus fuck, my brain, this shit is unbearable. God, shut these clownshoes up and let someone reasonable talk."

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  • KoopahTroopahKoopahTroopah The koopas, the troopas. Philadelphia, PARegistered User regular
    edited December 2019
    Brody wrote: »
    Cog wrote: »
    Anyone watching the hearing this morning?


    This morning the House Judiciary Committee will hold their second round of public hearings in preparation for Impeachment proceedings against President Donald Trump. Today’s hearing follow’s last week’s statement from Speaker Nancy Pelosi, requesting that House Committee Chairmen proceed with Articles of Impeachment and will receive presentations of evidence from counsel to the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence and the House Judiciary Committee

    In preparation, this weekend Chairman Jerry Nadler released a report entitled Constitutional Grounds for Presidential Impeachment

    Today’s hearing will call Majority and Minority Counsel for both the House Judiciary Committee and House Intelligence Committee as witnesses, to provide presentations of evidence.

    Democrats call:
    Barry Berke, Majority Counsel, House Judiciary Committee
    Daniel Goldman, Majority Counsel, House Intelligence Committee

    Republicans call:
    Steve Castor, Minority Counsel, House Judiciary Committee, House Intelligence Committee

    Some audience member just did a big outburst for a minute and was escorted out.

    Was that an audience member or was that Matt Gaetz?

    I’m not kidding. I missed the whole thing but people are saying Matt Gaetz had something sort of outburst. I can’t tell if it was just him yelling “I object” at the very start or if the rant was him too.

    It was just some rando in the audience.

    Gaetz had a big fit about some parliamentary point of order that he yelled out without being recognized.

    Someone said is was a jackass from InfoWars.

    Yes, the audience member who had an outburst and was escorted was a reporter from InfoWars, Owen Shroyer.

    Gaetz and several other republicans have been pushing Naddler in between statements with different parliamentary inquiries and objections to delay. Gaetz was a little bit more angry with his objections and Naddler replied with something along the lines that congressmen and women will follow rules and come to order. He hasn't spoken out since.

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  • CogCog Registered User regular
    Gaetz just had more tantrums about calling a recess during the requested roll-call vote over said recess.

    I hope he gets himself thrown out.

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  • evilthecatevilthecat Registered User regular
    Gaetz screaming his nuts off that the recess is not needed, it's just because the Democrats want to hold a press conference.

    Who do I see on the TV first?
    That republican with the glasses whining about process.

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  • CogCog Registered User regular
    edited December 2019
    evilthecat wrote: »
    Gaetz screaming his nuts off that the recess is not needed, it's just because the Democrats want to hold a press conference.

    Who do I see on the TV first?
    That republican with the glasses whining about process.

    Oh the republicans want the press conference. They just want to make it look like they're only having one because the Democrats forced them to.

    EDIT: That would probably be Doug Collins, the ranking member.

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  • VeeveeVeevee WisconsinRegistered User regular
    edited December 2019
    Cog wrote: »
    Even while true, starting your statement with "I gotta tell you, I'm in WAY over my head here" is an interesting strategy.

    Am I the only one that took Castor saying this as him calling out the Repuicans as a bunch of chickenshits?

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  • AthenorAthenor Battle Hardened Optimist The Skies of HiigaraRegistered User regular
    I had to turn it off. I knew this would just be building up opinions, and I could not take it.

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    Castor just began. 45 minutes of wharglbargl begins.

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  • CogCog Registered User regular
    We have reconvened, surprisingly without a point of order or outburst.

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  • CogCog Registered User regular
    Zelensky denied a quid pro quo because admitting to one would make him look either corrupt or weak. He's not the victim trying to clear the air, he's the co-conspirator trying to protect his image.

  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Cog wrote: »
    Zelensky denied a quid pro quo because admitting to one would make him look either corrupt or weak. He's not the victim trying to clear the air, he's the co-conspirator trying to protect his image.

    He's the victim, not the coconspirator

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  • FawstFawst The road to awe.Registered User regular
    edited December 2019
    This is all about Hunter Biden.

    Jesus this is unreal.

    Edit: and now it's people said bad words about Trump! Holy SHIT. This is their big defense?!

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  • ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    Castor just began. 45 minutes of wharglbargl begins.

    I was literally just imagining someone dubbing over Castor and every Republicans voices with Murlock voice clips from World of Warcraft. Because that might as well be what this is. It's just nonsense.

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  • CogCog Registered User regular
    Fawst wrote: »
    This is all about Hunter Biden.

    Jesus this is unreal.

    It's trying to make the case that Trump was simply justifiably pursuing his lifelong passion of stamping out corruption in eastern Europe.

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  • Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    Well his competition

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    I really wish at least one person would make the point that if he believes so strongly that this is nepotism, wrong, and needs to be prosecuted, then why are they silent about all the shit Trump's kids and family are doing? The claim that Trump cares a single whit about corruption is just so transparently bullshit.

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  • ArdolArdol Registered User regular
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    I really wish at least one person would make the point that if he believes so strongly that this is nepotism, wrong, and needs to be prosecuted, then why are they silent about all the shit Trump's kids and family are doing? The claim that Trump cares a single whit about corruption is just so transparently bullshit.

    Remember the other day when a witness dared to merely mention the name of one of Trump's children? Imagine the fallout from actual criticism!

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    I really wish at least one person would make the point that if he believes so strongly that this is nepotism, wrong, and needs to be prosecuted, then why are they silent about all the shit Trump's kids and family are doing? The claim that Trump cares a single whit about corruption is just so transparently bullshit.

    It's actual political correctness, not the 'why can't I be racist in public' kind.

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  • ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    Castor. It does not matter if the Ukrainian government knew there was a hold on the aid. That doesn't make a difference.

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  • CogCog Registered User regular
    Ardol wrote: »
    ArcTangent wrote: »
    I really wish at least one person would make the point that if he believes so strongly that this is nepotism, wrong, and needs to be prosecuted, then why are they silent about all the shit Trump's kids and family are doing? The claim that Trump cares a single whit about corruption is just so transparently bullshit.

    Remember the other day when a witness dared to merely mention the name of one of Trump's children? Imagine the fallout from actual criticism!

    That was Barron, and while the Republican reaction was wildly overblown, the way he was mentioned by Professor Karlan was probably not terribly appropriate.

    Trump's adult children are absolutely fucking fair game though.

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  • FawstFawst The road to awe.Registered User regular
    Castor, basically: "How dare the Democrats use the power they wield in the House to do their job and stop us from intervening?"

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  • CogCog Registered User regular
    Jesus, Gohmert. Nice point of order.

    Get back to your asparagus.

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  • Stabbity StyleStabbity Style Warning: Mothership Reporting Richland, WARegistered User regular
    Well, that's chilling. One of the Republican reps was a judge. Can you imagine being at the mercy of someone so incapable of discerning fact from fiction?

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  • CogCog Registered User regular
    Well, that's chilling. One of the Republican reps was a judge. Can you imagine being at the mercy of someone so incapable of discerning fact from fiction?

    Not just any rep, Louie fucking Gohmert. The dumbest congressperson in Washington.

    See: aspersions on my asparagus.

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  • TuminTumin Registered User regular
    edited December 2019
    Cog wrote: »
    Zelensky denied a quid pro quo because admitting to one would make him look either corrupt or weak. He's not the victim trying to clear the air, he's the co-conspirator trying to protect his image.

    In this particular case, he's a victim being intimidated after a shakedown. He is denying a quid pro quo to try and keep Ukraine out of American politics. Zelensky wants US aid and public US support, not personal gain, at least in this instance.

    I mean yeah there are other things he might have done for personal gain, but Zelensky didn't really have leverage here.

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  • CogCog Registered User regular
    Holy shit, this is an absolute fucking circus.

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  • FawstFawst The road to awe.Registered User regular
    What.

    A.

    Shitshow.

    The GOP is speaking all over the place. Fucking unreal. "Point of order: allow me to speak nonsense" by what, three different people?

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  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    My god repubs are looking so stupid right now

    "How much money" comment was really like, what the fuck are you talking about my guy

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  • CogCog Registered User regular
    Gohmert asked Berke how much money Berke had to donate to be there.

    Which.. Jesus. That is inappropriate as fuck.

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  • KoopahTroopahKoopahTroopah The koopas, the troopas. Philadelphia, PARegistered User regular
    edited December 2019
    Steve Castor does not have the experience to deal with questions from Berke. He's already shown that in under 5 minutes. That's why Republicans are jumping all over these questions.

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  • FawstFawst The road to awe.Registered User regular
    OK, so I'm just catching up on what's actually happening. Castor and Goldman are witnesses today, and Castor going off about Hunter Biden was an opening statement? I am listening on CNN Radio, and I jumped in late.

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  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    I enjoy this lawyer dismantling the attacks on Jennifer Williams. Steve Castor just squirming and the repubs desperate to find a way to get in the way of the line of questioning.

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  • CogCog Registered User regular
    They're jumping in and wasting time on nitpicky bullshit to give Castor a minute to collect himself, because Burke has crawled completely up Castor's asshole at this point.

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  • ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    edited December 2019
    The most recent interruption ranting from the GOP is that the monitor with a slide on it wasn't directly facing one of them.

    This was like 5 minutes of ranting about IMPROPER DECORUM.

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  • CogCog Registered User regular
    edited December 2019
    Mister Chairman, I have a point of order!

    Counsel is devastating our case!

    EDIT: Holy fuck, they legitimately just complained about witness badgering.

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  • FawstFawst The road to awe.Registered User regular
    Cog wrote: »
    Mister Chairman, I have a point of order!

    Counsel is devastating our case!

    EDIT: Holy fuck, they legitimately just complained about witness badgering.

    The audience's groan of disbelief reaction was both amusing and welcome.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Witness Badgering? Good lord, I hope this gets play. "The GOP had a sad today because facts don't care about feelings."

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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  • ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    A Republican said "We have to have some decorum in here".

    What can you even say about that? Like it's just there. That happened.

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