As was foretold, we've added advertisements to the forums! If you have questions, or if you encounter any bugs, please visit this thread: https://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/240191/forum-advertisement-faq-and-reports-thread/

The Real Spoiler tag

I don't know if this has been addressed or not, but I think the addition of the realspoiler tag is a bit of a bandaid fix for the "boy who cried wolf" situation with the spoiler tag. While I don't think it's a bad idea for having a tag for minor spoilers and a bit of playing around and another for big nasty spoilers, i do feel that the same thing will simply happen to the realspoiler tag.

How about it becomes a jailable offence to misuse a real spoiler tag, to deter the same thing that happened to the spoiler tag, happen to the realspoiler tag. Do we really want to need a totallyrealspoiler tag?

Also, I don't know much about the code behind the forums, but would it be that difficult to do a bit of PHP hackery so that when someone is jailed, spoiler tags are preserved? I'm guessing you would need to use some pretty nasty hacks, but I think it might be something worthwhile.

www.eightandahalfbit.com
Mr_Snuffle on
«1

Posts

  • RocketScienceRocketScience Registered User regular
    edited November 2004
    Mr_Snuffle wrote:
    How about it becomes a jailable offence to misuse a real spoiler tag.
    It already is, or so I was told.

    RocketScience on
  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2004
    Mr_Snuffle wrote:
    How about it becomes a jailable offence to misuse a real spoiler tag.
    It already is, or so I was told.

    It most certainly is. Ramius was very serious about that when he introduced it to deal with the fact that the spoiler tags are abused.

    Something you might wanna do is get the mods from the forums you frequent the most onto your AIM or MSN lists and just toss an IM someone's way when that happens. It's generally faster than PMing, and you can discuss things like this.

    Pheezer on
    IT'S GOT ME REACHING IN MY POCKET IT'S GOT ME FORKING OVER CASH
    CUZ THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE AND IT'S GIVING ME A RASH
  • ToastToast Registered User
    edited November 2004
    What is the ettiquette for RealSpoiler anyway?

    Toast on
  • Mr_SnuffleMr_Snuffle Registered User
    edited November 2004
    Okie dokie, I didn't realise it was already a rule. Could one of the mods add it to the G&T rules thread? I didn't see it in there

    Mr_Snuffle on
    www.eightandahalfbit.com
  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2004
    Real Spoiler tags are ONLY to be used for an actual spoiler. If it is used for a joke or fake spoiler, jailing occurs.

    Munkus Beaver on
    Twitch Channel
    Steam: munkus_beaver
    Humor can be dissected, as a frog can, but it dies in the process.
    http://www.ccfa.org/
  • DeusfauxDeusfaux Registered User regular
    edited November 2004
    Toast wrote:
    What is the ettiquette for RealSpoiler anyway?

    When you are giving away knowledge of some plot device or event or some happening that would ruin or wreck the appeal of its suprise or discovery to other people.


    though i think having 2 different spoiler tags most people will still use the regular ones for real spoilers....

    so we still dont know when its a joke or real or not.


    i say one set of tags, people mark all spoilers in them, and are punished accordingly to their defence and willingness to get it fixed up. (one time mistake by a regular on something minor? maybe a short jailing. giving away a major game or movie ending by some fuck who unapologetically claims it was no big deal? banned.)

    Deusfaux on
  • EchoEcho Moderator mod
    edited November 2004
    Deusfaux wrote:
    though i think having 2 different spoiler tags most people will still use the regular ones for real spoilers....

    so we still dont know when its a joke or real or not.

    This thread is full of assclowns abusing the spoiler tag with stuff like "OMG Vader is Luke's father!" and shit. This in addition to some proper usage of spoiler tags.

    I'm all for some jailinating to stop that behavior. What say the G&T mods?

    Echo on
    Echo wrote: »
    Let they who have not posted about their balls in the wrong thread cast the first stone.
  • XanathusXanathus Registered User regular
    edited November 2004
    Echo wrote:
    Deusfaux wrote:
    though i think having 2 different spoiler tags most people will still use the regular ones for real spoilers....

    so we still dont know when its a joke or real or not.

    This thread is full of assclowns abusing the spoiler tag with stuff like "OMG Vader is Luke's father!" and shit. This in addition to some proper usage of spoiler tags.

    I'm all for some jailinating to stop that behavior. What say the G&T mods?

    As mentioned earlier, only the abuse of a realspoiler tag is a jailable offense.

    Xanathus on
  • JAEFJAEF Unstoppably Bald Registered User regular
    edited November 2004
    Echo wrote:
    Deusfaux wrote:
    though i think having 2 different spoiler tags most people will still use the regular ones for real spoilers....

    so we still dont know when its a joke or real or not.

    This thread is full of assclowns abusing the spoiler tag with stuff like "OMG Vader is Luke's father!" and shit. This in addition to some proper usage of spoiler tags.

    I'm all for some jailinating to stop that behavior. What say the G&T mods?
    omgboomlol wrote:
    Zapf wrote:
    darren66 wrote:
    Spoiler in the pics???

    Anakin can use force lightning?

    jesus christ, how the fuck is that a spoiler. EVERYONE ALREADY KNOWS THAT ANAKIN = DARTH VADER = DARK SIDE. IF YOU COULD NOT POSSIBLY FUCKING CONSTRUE THAT HE COULD USE DARK SIDE POWERS, YOU ARE A MORON
    I heard that [spoiler:09c30a9aa2]he's also Luke's father.[/spoiler:09c30a9aa2]

    Holy. Fucking. Shit. that's almost as insane as [spoiler:09c30a9aa2]Luke being Leia's BROTHER![/spoiler:09c30a9aa2]



    Seriously folks, if you don't know that Anakin = Vader than you don't deserve to breathe.
    ZOMG
    [spoiler:09c30a9aa2]Aeris dies!!![/spoiler:09c30a9aa2]
    This is the quote tree in question. The first two are actually real spoilers (although I don't actually know anyone who hasn't seen Star Wars, but they still kinda have you beat on a technicality...)

    The only joke spoiler is omgboomlol's. So sure, jail the deputy.

    JAEF on
  • EchoEcho Moderator mod
    edited November 2004
    Well, then I guess we need to drill the users into using the realspoiler tag instead, when writing spoiler material.

    Until we need a realrealspoiler tag. :?

    Echo on
    Echo wrote: »
    Let they who have not posted about their balls in the wrong thread cast the first stone.
  • JAEFJAEF Unstoppably Bald Registered User regular
    edited November 2004
    Echo wrote:
    Well, then I guess we need to drill the users into using the realspoiler tag instead, when writing spoiler material.

    Until we need a realrealspoiler tag. :?
    Well since anyone who hasn't seen Star Wars 4-6 by now deserves to die I don't think those really needed a realspoiler tag, but the spoiler tag is still validated. Just sayin' is all. But you should still crack down on blatant abuse.

    JAEF on
  • omgboomlolomgboomlol __BANNED USERS
    edited November 2004
    My ears are burning.

    omgboomlol on
    omgboomlolud1.gif
  • EchoEcho Moderator mod
    edited November 2004
    This is an example of how you don't use spoiler tags.

    A couple of posts before that, it was suggested that this particular thread (about Halo 2) should use spoiler tags for general spoilers, and realspoiler tags for single player/story spoilers, which I approved of.

    Some posts later, that appeared. That post resulted in a jail warning. The next one will get jailed.

    Of course, the PA forums have its own little quirks, habits and bandwagons. In the G&T chat threads, it's almost expected to have the occasional silly usage of spoiler tags. I don't really mind that. Using the spoiler tags for things that really aren't spoilers has become a part of the forum culture.

    But in threads that talk about specific games or movies or whathaveyou? That's a no-no. There the spoiler tags have a very legitimate use.

    Someone's bound to say "but we have realspoiler tags!"

    The problem is that people rarely use them. There needs to be more awareness of their existence. I don't think the G&T rules even mention them.

    Echo on
    Echo wrote: »
    Let they who have not posted about their balls in the wrong thread cast the first stone.
  • JAEFJAEF Unstoppably Bald Registered User regular
    edited November 2004
    Echo wrote:
    This is an example of how you don't use spoiler tags.

    A couple of posts before that, it was suggested that this particular thread (about Halo 2) should use spoiler tags for general spoilers, and realspoiler tags for single player/story spoilers, which I approved of.

    Some posts later, that appeared. That post resulted in a jail warning.
    He did it 3 posts after you commanded everyone to get serious about spoiler tags. He should be dead. Why didn't you shoot him?

    JAEF on
  • EchoEcho Moderator mod
    edited November 2004
    There's a bullet in the chamber for the next one.

    Echo on
    Echo wrote: »
    Let they who have not posted about their balls in the wrong thread cast the first stone.
  • ClarenceClarence Registered User
    edited November 2004
    What exactely is wrong with using the spoiler tag for jokes? You spoiler tag something so that people can't see it. If you are reading a thread you think might possibly contain spoilers for you, don't highlight the spoilers. So you might miss a shit joke, bummer. If anything, it prevents me from having to read the same tired jokes over and over. Maybe we should include a <shit joke you've heard before> tag as well.

    Abuse of the spoiler tags, in my view, would be someone posting a spoiler in a thread with a topic completely unrelated to the spoiler they posted. Like posting the end of Half Life 2 in a D&D camwhore thread or something. Obviously people wouldn't be expecting that kind - or any kind - of spoiler in there so might highlight it expecting a joke of some sort. Even then, the poster used spoiler tags so really you are viewing it at your own risk - it's not like he didn't warn you.

    If anything, Real Spoiler tags simply confuse the issue. Now when people see regular spoiler tags they might assume that it isn't really a spoiler but a highly (un)amusing joke and so would normally select it. Take the GTA thread for example - there are several spoilers there and they are all marked using the regular spoiler tags. So if someone reads one of those and has a part of the game spoiled for them, should they complain to a mod that the poster didn't use the Real Spoiler tag? Thats just dumb.


    In conclusion, the Spoiler tag was a well-implemented concession to the fact that some people may wish to discuss elements within topics which others do not wish to inadvertently read about just now. The Real Spoiler tag, on the other hand, is a poorly-considered concession to the fact that some forumers lack common sense. It's inclusion has always surprised me considering the many other suggestions which are declined here on a daily basis. It's one thing to include extraneous elements which, whilst not completely necessary, still serve to improve the forum experience but quite another to include elements which are simply redundant.

    Clarence on
  • the cheatthe cheat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2004
    a wise man once told me, that if i were to stir shit, that i should use my main account.

    the cheat on
    tKfL2Yd.png?1
  • EchoEcho Moderator mod
    edited November 2004
    Here's a random brainfart: How about having the spoiler and realspoiler tags take an argument, similar to the quote="Some guy" works? So you can write realspoiler="Final level of Halo 2" and have it appear as a header for the spoiler block.

    Most people probably wouldn't use that, but hey, just an idea.

    Echo on
    Echo wrote: »
    Let they who have not posted about their balls in the wrong thread cast the first stone.
  • ToastToast Registered User
    edited November 2004
    If you are going to add another jailable offence, which may be necessary, it should be for using the spoiler tag to hide a real spoiler in a situation where it's not obvious that it is one. If everyone's been joking around with the spoiler tag (fair enough), any real spoiler following directly on should either be realspoiler or have a proper notice by it.

    Oh, and the other jailable offence here should be a big block of spoiler text with no way of telling which game it spoils. In the "scariest moment" thread in G&T there was one post which was just a big black block. I mean... what?

    Toast on
  • AlphariusAlpharius Registered User regular
    edited November 2004
    Clarence is right. The spoiler tag currently serves two purposes: jokes and spoilers. If you are gung ho about not reading spoilers then dont look - worst case scenario is that you miss a punchline. If someone ends up reading something they didnt want to, then its bad judgement on their part.

    The realspoiler tag simply clouds thing by encouraging ambiguity in the spoiler tag. The spoiler tag will either stay as a grey area like it is now (thus not solving the problem) or it will become redundant and the realspoilertag will become a grey area as its predecessor did.

    No matter how many rules you make, forumers will break them if they think it is funny. Eventually it becomes accepted practice. We're just so darn irrepressible.

    Alpharius on
    Check out my 40k blog: WarHamSandwich
  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited November 2004
    I think everyone needs to act a little less like whinging girls.

    Tube on
    Hobnail wrote: »
    This forum has taken everything from me
    This hurts but I deserve it

  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2004
    I think everyone needs to act a little less like whinging girls.

    Yeah! Stop whinging, whingers!

    Pheezer on
    IT'S GOT ME REACHING IN MY POCKET IT'S GOT ME FORKING OVER CASH
    CUZ THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE AND IT'S GIVING ME A RASH
  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited November 2004
    What is with you people and your fascination with that word?

    Tube on
    Hobnail wrote: »
    This forum has taken everything from me
    This hurts but I deserve it

  • The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2004
    i had to explain 'shithouse' and 'prang' to him yesterday...

    The Cat on
    tmsig.jpg
  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2004
    the cat wrote:
    i had to explain 'shithouse' and 'prang' to him yesterday...

    Fuckin' foreigners! Learn to speak English!

    Pheezer on
    IT'S GOT ME REACHING IN MY POCKET IT'S GOT ME FORKING OVER CASH
    CUZ THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE AND IT'S GIVING ME A RASH
  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited November 2004
    What about pissweak? Poms can't get their heads around pissweak.

    Tube on
    Hobnail wrote: »
    This forum has taken everything from me
    This hurts but I deserve it

  • The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2004
    pfft. wankers.

    The Cat on
    tmsig.jpg
  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2004
    Shut up you wossnames.

    Munkus Beaver on
    Twitch Channel
    Steam: munkus_beaver
    Humor can be dissected, as a frog can, but it dies in the process.
    http://www.ccfa.org/
  • The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2004
    Shut up you wossnames.

    it doesn't count of you stole it from terry pratchett :wink:

    The Cat on
    tmsig.jpg
  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2004
    the cat wrote:
    Shut up you wossnames.

    it doesn't count of you stole it from terry pratchett :wink:

    Can I call you nobby as you get me some fizzy water for me and flat water for my lady.

    Munkus Beaver on
    Twitch Channel
    Steam: munkus_beaver
    Humor can be dissected, as a frog can, but it dies in the process.
    http://www.ccfa.org/
  • EggNogEggNog Registered User regular
    edited November 2004
    [spoiler:9b095c3f06]could joke spoilers just be done like this?[/spoiler:9b095c3f06]

    EggNog on
    sig-1.png
  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited November 2004
    EggNog wrote:
    [spoiler:115f981eb9]could joke spoilers just be done like this?[/spoiler:115f981eb9]

    THIS is getting on to something!

    The best solution was never a RealSpoiler tag, but a JokeSpoiler tag.

    We could put in a JokeSpoiler tag, and anyone who chose the Spoiler tag for a joke would get jailed.

    Pheezer on
    IT'S GOT ME REACHING IN MY POCKET IT'S GOT ME FORKING OVER CASH
    CUZ THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE AND IT'S GIVING ME A RASH
  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited November 2004
    pheezer wrote:
    EggNog wrote:
    [spoiler:6e20b3b806]could joke spoilers just be done like this?[/spoiler:6e20b3b806]

    THIS is getting on to something!

    The best solution was never a RealSpoiler tag, but a JokeSpoiler tag.

    We could put in a JokeSpoiler tag, and anyone who chose the Spoiler tag for a joke would get jailed.
    That's a good idea. I'm for it.

    Henroid on
  • MulysaSemproniusMulysaSempronius but also susie nyRegistered User regular
    edited November 2004
    but.. why would anybody ever use a "joke spoiler" tag?
    if it's easily seen, it loses any and all "joke" value.
    i liked tiny font

    MulysaSempronius on
    If that's all there is my friends, then let's keep dancing
  • PaladinPaladin Registered User regular
    edited November 2004
    I have lots of ideas, but I just can't express them.

    Paladin on
    Marty: The future, it's where you're going?
    Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited November 2004
    but.. why would anybody ever use a "joke spoiler" tag?
    if it's easily seen, it loses any and all "joke" value.
    i liked tiny font
    Because it saves the trouble of having to highlight shit.

    Henroid on
  • PaladinPaladin Registered User regular
    edited November 2004
    You're going to do that; fine, but use another, less visible color.

    An alternative would be to put a smiley inside the spoiler. Smileys aren't spoiler'd, so it'd be a good tag.
    being in jail is gay :(

    Paladin on
    Marty: The future, it's where you're going?
    Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited November 2004
    Paladin wrote:
    You're going to do that; fine, but use another, less visible color.

    An alternative would be to put a smiley inside the spoiler. Smileys aren't spoiler'd, so it'd be a good tag.

    [spoiler:e4e5e2a379]being in jail is gay :([/spoiler:e4e5e2a379]
    Yeah, but then you have wise asses that will put a smiley in just to ruin shit for people. Of course, that will probably result in jailing so... maybe that could work.

    Henroid on
  • GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    edited November 2004
    pheezer wrote:
    EggNog wrote:
    [spoiler:69fa2abf55]could joke spoilers just be done like this?[/spoiler:69fa2abf55]

    THIS is getting on to something!

    The best solution was never a RealSpoiler tag, but a JokeSpoiler tag.

    We could put in a JokeSpoiler tag, and anyone who chose the Spoiler tag for a joke would get jailed.

    i think he was meaning that any jokes be already visible

    Goumindong on
    wbBv3fj.png
  • DeusfauxDeusfaux Registered User regular
    edited November 2004
    [sp]spoiler[/sp]

    [spoil]spoiler[/spoil]

    hmm.

    either way I think shortening the required tags for spoiler would be good and encourage people to use it (for good, i hope)

    Deusfaux on
Sign In or Register to comment.