There are some great images on neogaf of Bully, Half-Life, and a bunch of other games. Those two stand out more than some other games when it comes to upscaling.
I scrolled through this thread and couldn't find anything on this---I apologize if this has been answered already. Can anyone tell me how to copy my PS1/PS2 saves from PS3 to a memory card (via the adapter)?
I copied all of my save data from the memory cards to the PS3 when I got it and have been using PS3 ever since to play my PS2 games. I started playing Odin Sphere today and it corrupted its own save data once, so I've become a little anxious to back up my saves to the old memory card.
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Okay new sort-of related question. I just realized that my DVI input on my Gateway FPD2185W is occupied by (of all things ) my computer monitor, and my VGA by my 360. So this raises two questions:
1) If I were to buy an HDMI->DVI cable for the PS3, would I also be able to buy... like, a DVI splitter or breakout box or something to have both the PS3 and computer hooked up?
2) If I can, do I really WANT to do that, or is component generally sufficient?
Quoting this because I actually HAVE a PS3 now so it's more relevant
Also 3) If I WERE to do the above, I would still be able to get sound through an alternate connection (such as optical or RCA), right?
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Vicious_GSRDudePrincipality of ZeonRegistered Userregular
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So I just got a HD TV and did the whole 'Play your old PS2 games with magic upscale', gotta say it looks just like it was on my old TV :P
HDMI spec supports non-HDCP DVI, component, etc over HDMI. There are many video cards with HDMI and no HDCP and ATI even got in trouble for advertising cards as "HDCP compliant" (meaning the GPU supported the addition of an HDCP chip in other models). It does not mandate HDCP for HDMI in any way. HDMI is simply a new connector that consolidates many old connectors and provides many new features (remote control, deep color, etc). Specific formats and applications mandate HDCP, like BD Alliance requiring it for 1080p output of protected BD movies. You should be able to connect the PS3 to your Dell UltraSharp 2005FPW using DVI and play some games. Instead, you need the successor, the Dell UltraSharp 2007WFP for absolutely no reason other than laziness. They didn't want to bother validating it for all games while restricting it to specific BD playback scenarios, so they just restricted it all together.
It's not a "natural" limitation. It's actually a glaring flaw that game playback does not work on non-HDCP HDMI because this restricts a huge amount of high-resolution gaming PC monitors that gamers want to use and should be able to use. The same resolutions are supported over unprotected component, but most 1080p+ LCDs that include component input don't support 1080p over component (though the PS3 supports it, it's not a real standard). HDCP was only supposed to be a requirement for protected BD and HD-DVD (not home movies on BD-RW), CableCARD, etc regardless of HDMI. If I couldn't play Half-Life 2 from my HTPC simply because my monitor did not support unprotected HDMI output, I'd be steaming mad, so why does the PS3 impose this limitation on itself? I haven't checked, but I can almost guarantee-damn-tee you that the XBOX 360 Elite supports 1080p gaming over HDMI on a non-HDCP monitor while HD-DVD playback will be restricted to HDCP-compliant HDMI or Component/VGA (or possibly downscaled).
Wow, I was completely wrong. My apologies. Thanks for explaining the situation.
Btw, where can I check to see whether my monitor supports 1080p over component? It's a 2405fpw. The specs don't say which resolutions are supported over which connections, it just lists resolutions and connections separately.
IIRC, only later revisions ofthe 2405FPW supported HDCP. Also IIRC, that revision introduced unwanted color-banding issues. Whatever the case, I heard what I heard at Anandtech's forums so that may be the best place to ask. I don't remember there being a range of serial number to check against, but the manufacture date range is probably known. The 2407WFP does support HDCP. Best way to check support it to test something that requires it (BD/DVD player for example).
And you weren't wrong: HDCP does support DVI with HDCP signaling, it just leaves it up to compliant devices to mandate it (playback of protected BD/HD-DVD requires it, but playback of a home-made BD-RW movie does not).
Ok, I've been looking for an upscaling DVD player for my SXRD XBR2, so this update means I might pick up a PS3 VERY soon.
One question though - Anyone try Guitar Hero 1 or a DDR game on the updated firmware upscaled? Right now, on my PS2, GH1 is totally playable in game mode over component, but laggy enough to notice. I'm wondering if the PS3 trying to upconvert will result in more or less lag than having my TV do the upconversion.
Anyone who can test this is my hero.
No VGA input on your TV? you have a 360... it upscales DVDs over VGA... and PS3 will not upscale DVD over component
Guitar Hero BC on PS3 is pretty much non-functional because of the controller and the only 3rd party solution out there fails.
My TV has VGA, but for reasons on one on Earth can explain, it won't display fullscreen, regardless of resolution. You can't get VGA 1:1 pixel mapping, so there's no point.
In other news, I had no idea there was no way to plug a PS2 controler into a PS3.
I would still wonder about lag though - anyone want to bust out Madden, baseball, or, for that matter, Parappa the Rapper and let me know if it upscale old games with more/less lag?
I have to set mine to "Full Pixel" mode. I'm glad they gave me the option!
Hopefully, the wireless Guitar Hero 3 controllers will work with PS2 GH1/2. There's no reason why they shouldn't.
Except that PS2 games on a PS3 only work with the official controller. Nearly all of the 3rd party licensed PS3 controllers and joysticks simply do not work with PS2 games, so I wouldn't expect the PS3's guitar to without Sony doing something to the firmware to let 3rd parties in... unless it's wireless using a USB dongle that wolks like a USB DualShock 2 adapter.
Okay new sort-of related question. I just realized that my DVI input on my Gateway FPD2185W is occupied by (of all things ) my computer monitor, and my VGA by my 360. So this raises two questions:
1) If I were to buy an HDMI->DVI cable for the PS3, would I also be able to buy... like, a DVI splitter or breakout box or something to have both the PS3 and computer hooked up?
2) If I can, do I really WANT to do that, or is component generally sufficient?
Quoting this because I actually HAVE a PS3 now so it's more relevant
Also 3) If I WERE to do the above, I would still be able to get sound through an alternate connection (such as optical or RCA), right?
1) DVI switchboxes exist, but they are generally expensive. For my testing, I just got some different $3 DVI-HDMI dongle adapters. I converted the DVI port of my monitor to HDMI and converted the DVI port on the video card to HDMI so that I could just swap the HDMI cable back and forth. Super easy. I also tried a dongle that converts the end of the DVI cable to a male HDMI plug (one adapter instead of two), but I liked this solution less because I'd be leaving the dongle in the back of the PS3 where it can be broken. Also, it's much more difficult to disconnect and reconnect the DVI cable.
2) Component is very sufficient and probably better in this case for aspect ratio support (16:9 within 16:10 if it supports it). Most of the 20-inchers lack component. Now Dell is selling a version of the 2407WFP without component now (I forget the model).
3) Absolutely. The PS3 supports this (just use your multi-out cable or optical and answer the setup questions correctly).
Thanks for answering that. I went and got an optical audio cable and got it set up, and MotorStorm sounds like five bags of awesome with diesel engines. :^:
On the component v. dvi/hdmi thing again, I heard somewhere that being plugged in by hdmi provides more options for making games look better (like black-level adjustment). Is this true?
Thanks for answering that. I went and got an optical audio cable and got it set up, and MotorStorm sounds like five bags of awesome with diesel engines. :^:
On the component v. dvi/hdmi thing again, I heard somewhere that being plugged in by hdmi provides more options for making games look better (like black-level adjustment). Is this true?
Yes, definitely yes. I switched on that black adjustment thing, and it made all the difference in the world. Especially considering that I'm on an LCD instead of a plasma, where plasmas tend to have deeper blacks, from what I understand.
IIRC, only later revisions ofthe 2405FPW supported HDCP. Also IIRC, that revision introduced unwanted color-banding issues. Whatever the case, I heard what I heard at Anandtech's forums so that may be the best place to ask. I don't remember there being a range of serial number to check against, but the manufacture date range is probably known. The 2407WFP does support HDCP. Best way to check support it to test something that requires it (BD/DVD player for example).
Actually, I don't personally care about HDCP as I don't watch movies anyway
I was just wondering if I would be able to plug a PS3 into my 2405fpw with component and play games at 1080p.
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Vicious_GSRDudePrincipality of ZeonRegistered Userregular
edited May 2007
I use HDMI for my PS3, if you can find a good cheap HDMI cable for 30 bucks you will really see a very big difference in quality.
(Also, does anyone know how to set up that server thing in the latest PS3 update with a Mac?)
IIRC, only later revisions ofthe 2405FPW supported HDCP. Also IIRC, that revision introduced unwanted color-banding issues. Whatever the case, I heard what I heard at Anandtech's forums so that may be the best place to ask. I don't remember there being a range of serial number to check against, but the manufacture date range is probably known. The 2407WFP does support HDCP. Best way to check support it to test something that requires it (BD/DVD player for example).
Actually, I don't personally care about HDCP as I don't watch movies anyway
I was just wondering if I would be able to plug a PS3 into my 2405fpw with component and play games at 1080p.[/QUOTE]
It'll support 1080p gaming over DVI only if the monitor supports HDCP thanks to the PS3's stupid limitation. 1080p component support is so rare that I seriously doubt it supports that. Even Sony's high-end HDTVs rarely support it (52XBR2/3 does, but not the 40XBR2/3 or the 46XBR2/3 sizes). HOWEVER, it will definitely support other HD resolutions over component, so I'd grab some component cables and test 1080p. If it doesn't work, 720p and 1080i aren't too shabby.
I don't know if you could do this before the update but now I can wireless stream music and vids from my PC. Its good but still a bit flawed at the moment. One major problem being that if I play music or look at a picture then enter a different section, it cant find the files again for some reason. Plus they go off if you do anything else at all, I couldn't set a background or take the music into a game.
Still, getting there.
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I dunno, maybe someone with a more educated eye can help me. I mean it looks like the upscalling gets rid of the jaggies but I think it loses some definition as well.
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I dunno, maybe someone with a more educated eye can help me. I mean it looks like the upscalling gets rid of the jaggies but I think it loses some definition as well.
Well, are you just looking at the comparison shots?
Because if you look at text on the TV in the two shots posted above, you can see the shot of it running in HD is actually a blurrier photo. None of the comparison shots are really particularly good.
I've gone through most of my favourite games at this point. The upscaling doesn't make your games OMGNEXTGEN, but it does make them easier on the eyes. I think the best way to describe it is like someone has taken fine grit sandpaper to PS2 and PS1 games. You still get texture shifting and all that sort of nonsense, but the edges seem smoother and in some games (Kingdom Hearts II, Final Fantasy II, God of War II) the images have the appearance of "more detail".
Again, this update was worth every penny we had to pay for it Who's taking bets on how long it's going to be til 1.9?
Is there a concrete date for the PSP update or is it just 'before the end of the month'? I want to eavesdrop on my friends' PS3s, dammit!
Nope, just "before the end of the month". I'm hoping that the Killzone: Liberation update will be released simultaneously with it since the devs said they were hoping to release it in the last week of May.
I'd like that too - for a few reasons: 1, it's always getting on in the evening when I play, so I miss the pretty daytime colours.
2, It would make me feel even sillier when I buy those Xbox 360 Dashboard themes.
It seems very strange so far that they wouldn't let you keep an image on the desktop or play background music. Plus no game has incorporated custom music yet either. I do hope this changes. I wonder if it maybe is to do with them wanting to reduce the overhead before letting you play a tonne of music.
It does need full customisation though to let you use a background. I used a light one and couldn't see the menu properly anymore until it was disabled.
Is there a concrete date for the PSP update or is it just 'before the end of the month'? I want to eavesdrop on my friends' PS3s, dammit!
i heard it's coming out next week, which would be this week now :P on other new i set up the media sharing, sweet, works great, even though i'm a bit of an idiot, i was wondering why some of my files weren't working it'd say there was nothing there, it was because i was looking for music and pictures under the video tab, you gotta look under the right tab :P duh
I'd like that too - for a few reasons: 1, it's always getting on in the evening when I play, so I miss the pretty daytime colours.
2, It would make me feel even sillier when I buy those Xbox 360 Dashboard themes.
It seems very strange so far that they wouldn't let you keep an image on the desktop or play background music. Plus no game has incorporated custom music yet either. I do hope this changes. I wonder if it maybe is to do with them wanting to reduce the overhead before letting you play a tonne of music.
It does need full customisation though to let you use a background. I used a light one and couldn't see the menu properly anymore until it was disabled.
It does let you play music in the background: Press the PS button. Unfortunately, it doesn't let you do anything useful, like browse the web while listening. WTF Sony?!
It does let you play music in the background: Press the PS button. Unfortunately, it doesn't let you do anything useful, like browse the web while listening. WTF Sony?!
Yeah, you still can't so that on the PSP either. I can't browse images while listening to an RSS feed? Hrm.
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I'd like that too - for a few reasons: 1, it's always getting on in the evening when I play, so I miss the pretty daytime colours.
2, It would make me feel even sillier when I buy those Xbox 360 Dashboard themes.
It seems very strange so far that they wouldn't let you keep an image on the desktop or play background music. Plus no game has incorporated custom music yet either. I do hope this changes. I wonder if it maybe is to do with them wanting to reduce the overhead before letting you play a tonne of music.
It does need full customisation though to let you use a background. I used a light one and couldn't see the menu properly anymore until it was disabled.
It does let you play music in the background: Press the PS button. Unfortunately, it doesn't let you do anything useful, like browse the web while listening. WTF Sony?!
I know, thats what I said. But why it lets you go to the main menu and do feck all else? It might as well end the playback there.
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The comparison images of Shadow of the Colossus are pretty nice too. Seems like Devil May Cry 3 benefits, but the shitty cam-pics don't do it justice.
I copied all of my save data from the memory cards to the PS3 when I got it and have been using PS3 ever since to play my PS2 games. I started playing Odin Sphere today and it corrupted its own save data once, so I've become a little anxious to back up my saves to the old memory card.
Quoting this because I actually HAVE a PS3 now so it's more relevant
Also 3) If I WERE to do the above, I would still be able to get sound through an alternate connection (such as optical or RCA), right?
BUt it does look very nice none the less.
And is there a place to uninstall/delete demos or other files?
The download manager is really easy to use, just go to the nework icon and scroll down and look at your downloads.
And you weren't wrong: HDCP does support DVI with HDCP signaling, it just leaves it up to compliant devices to mandate it (playback of protected BD/HD-DVD requires it, but playback of a home-made BD-RW movie does not).
I have to set mine to "Full Pixel" mode. I'm glad they gave me the option!
Except that PS2 games on a PS3 only work with the official controller. Nearly all of the 3rd party licensed PS3 controllers and joysticks simply do not work with PS2 games, so I wouldn't expect the PS3's guitar to without Sony doing something to the firmware to let 3rd parties in... unless it's wireless using a USB dongle that wolks like a USB DualShock 2 adapter.
1) DVI switchboxes exist, but they are generally expensive. For my testing, I just got some different $3 DVI-HDMI dongle adapters. I converted the DVI port of my monitor to HDMI and converted the DVI port on the video card to HDMI so that I could just swap the HDMI cable back and forth. Super easy. I also tried a dongle that converts the end of the DVI cable to a male HDMI plug (one adapter instead of two), but I liked this solution less because I'd be leaving the dongle in the back of the PS3 where it can be broken. Also, it's much more difficult to disconnect and reconnect the DVI cable.
2) Component is very sufficient and probably better in this case for aspect ratio support (16:9 within 16:10 if it supports it). Most of the 20-inchers lack component. Now Dell is selling a version of the 2407WFP without component now (I forget the model).
3) Absolutely. The PS3 supports this (just use your multi-out cable or optical and answer the setup questions correctly).
On the component v. dvi/hdmi thing again, I heard somewhere that being plugged in by hdmi provides more options for making games look better (like black-level adjustment). Is this true?
Yes, definitely yes. I switched on that black adjustment thing, and it made all the difference in the world. Especially considering that I'm on an LCD instead of a plasma, where plasmas tend to have deeper blacks, from what I understand.
Actually, I don't personally care about HDCP as I don't watch movies anyway
I was just wondering if I would be able to plug a PS3 into my 2405fpw with component and play games at 1080p.
(Also, does anyone know how to set up that server thing in the latest PS3 update with a Mac?)
I was just wondering if I would be able to plug a PS3 into my 2405fpw with component and play games at 1080p.[/QUOTE]
It'll support 1080p gaming over DVI only if the monitor supports HDCP thanks to the PS3's stupid limitation. 1080p component support is so rare that I seriously doubt it supports that. Even Sony's high-end HDTVs rarely support it (52XBR2/3 does, but not the 40XBR2/3 or the 46XBR2/3 sizes). HOWEVER, it will definitely support other HD resolutions over component, so I'd grab some component cables and test 1080p. If it doesn't work, 720p and 1080i aren't too shabby.
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Still, getting there.
HOLY HELL!!
Because if you look at text on the TV in the two shots posted above, you can see the shot of it running in HD is actually a blurrier photo. None of the comparison shots are really particularly good.
Again, this update was worth every penny we had to pay for it
I'd like that too - for a few reasons: 1, it's always getting on in the evening when I play, so I miss the pretty daytime colours.
2, It would make me feel even sillier when I buy those Xbox 360 Dashboard themes.
Nope, just "before the end of the month". I'm hoping that the Killzone: Liberation update will be released simultaneously with it since the devs said they were hoping to release it in the last week of May.
It seems very strange so far that they wouldn't let you keep an image on the desktop or play background music. Plus no game has incorporated custom music yet either. I do hope this changes. I wonder if it maybe is to do with them wanting to reduce the overhead before letting you play a tonne of music.
It does need full customisation though to let you use a background. I used a light one and couldn't see the menu properly anymore until it was disabled.
Edit: Nevermind Kratos isn't standing in the same place.
I haven't found a free DLNA server program for OS X. Let me know if you do.
i heard it's coming out next week, which would be this week now :P on other new i set up the media sharing, sweet, works great, even though i'm a bit of an idiot, i was wondering why some of my files weren't working it'd say there was nothing there, it was because i was looking for music and pictures under the video tab, you gotta look under the right tab :P duh
Yeah, you still can't so that on the PSP either. I can't browse images while listening to an RSS feed? Hrm.
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I know, thats what I said. But why it lets you go to the main menu and do feck all else? It might as well end the playback there.