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Did he call her a liar or did she call him a liar? Are 1 or more of them liars?
This is the problem with personal accusations without any proof like this. She staked her reputation versus his reputation.
Do you believe Bernie or Warren? Or wish pox on both of their houses? Or just hope that mommy and daddy stop fighting?
She could have stuck with her statement instead of deciding to drop some sick bombs
Unless you already believed Sanders was a sexist and just makes a massive show of supporting female candidates, this is the nothingest of nothingburgers, and the parties who are most pushing this are the entities that stand to lose out under either a Sanders or a Warren administration
I've been on reddit this morning trying to get progressives to step back from the ledge and reminding them that CNN/Biden/MAYORPETE are our real opponents in this fight, and I'm heartened to see that seems to be a much more pronounced reaction to this than "FUCK WARREN" or "FUCK SANDERS"
Grow a pair and admit you screwed up.
Being a Boomer isn’t necessarily a birthdate thing, it’s an attitude
It’s failing your way to the top, fucking over everybody else then pulling up the ladder, and blaming the problems you created on the youngs
He may technically be from the silent generation but his political history is alllll Boomer
absolute own goal
What? That's not what 'helping' means. If my nephew cleans his room, and I'm in there occasionally reminding him to stay focused rather than reading books and playing with toys, I have helped him clean up, but he would have managed it without me. Saying you helped does not mean you believe your effort was critical to the success.
What sick bombs?
The New York Times. Warren and Sanders Seemed to Calm Things. Then the Debate Ended.
Politico. Warren appears to rebuff Sanders' handshake amid sexism feud
The Guardian. Democratic debate: Warren appears to reject handshake with Sanders after clash
Senator Elizabeth Warren Refuses Post-Debate Handshake With Senator Bernie Sanders
Business Insider. Decide for yourself whether Elizabeth Warren refused to shake Bernie Sanders' hand after the Democratic debate
Intelligencer. Watch Elizabeth Warren Refuse to Shake Bernie Sanders’s Hand After the Debate
Los Angeles Times. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren have animated post-debate exchange
The Telegraph. Elizabeth Warren snubs Bernie Sanders' handshake as pair clash in Democratic debate.
Slate. IOWA BEEF.
Senator Warren's very public snub didn't go unnoticed. She made no attempt to de-escalate.
No youve basically got it.
From this position, the only justifiable action by either campaign is to drop out and endorse the other.
It's more an inside/outside story than a rich/poor one, but obviously those things are related. They don't exactly like Warren either, and it's because both threaten the fundamental power structure/corruption of DC. Versailles on the Potomac!
I'm not seeing how either off their chances are meaningfully different.
What, so Bernie should just accept being labeled a misogynist in the court of public opinion?
Also of note, Sanders and Warren are polling within the margin of error with respect to each other in Iowa as well as nationally. So I really disagree with the characterization that Bernie’s chances are “slim”, but Warren’s are “zero”.
Could I get a checklist of when we should and should not take the media's focus on meaningless issues for ratings in good faith?
Except this story was already a headline before the debate and before either candidate commented on it.
But hey, blame women.
Good or bad faith is irrelevant. Any idiot could tell you how this would have played and the Warren campaign ran with it.
It cannot be overstated how plugged in we are here compared to the rest of the country
Supporters outraged on your behalf isnt exactly a burden.
Nah, bernie's doing great in iowa, have more faith
I guess the bolded is where you and I will have to agree to disagree.
Story leaks. We don't know from whom, but it's obvious to everyone this wouldn't help Warren and doesn't jive with what her campaign's public strategy was (UNITY) and in fact only moves to undercut it. The only people who could confirm or deny the story are Warren herself or Bernie, so it's not like they could plant it anonymously as a smear without having her be asked for comment. If their goal was to undercut Bernie it would have been something they could plausibly no comment.
Then the Warren campaign says nothing for hours while Bernie releases a statement accusing her staff members of lying. After that she releases a statement where she confirms that she remembers him saying a woman couldn't win but that this is meaningless bullshit and who cares about their difference in punditry. At the debate, when asked, she makes a general statement about how women can win, again instead of attacking Bernie.
The narrative you've established simply does not make sense. But it is revealing.
my mom's car and yard are covered in pro warren and pro sanders stuff, as well as lots of anti trump things and she hates biden
she didn't know there was a debate last night
A country where Joe Biden runs as a republican will never elect another Democrat.
With the current demographics, sure
but the boomers aren't immortal, and unless they move from voter suppression to just actively seizing power and shutting down elections, the Republican party as we know it does not have more than a decade left
Considering the shifts in parties over the last 100 years, how do you mean?
Somehow I think we'll be able to stay mad at CNN.
There's been a lot of opinion pieces this week about the big gap being between engaged and unengaged voters and how the unengaged (rightfully!) don't trust the major media organizations and believe they're entirely too focused on trivial bullshit and not what actually matters. So they're frustrated. And one of the problems Democrats have is that they care too much about those media organizations. Which means they are not even reaching these voters. Trump's omnipresence since he announced, especially digitally, means they do see him though.