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The Increasingly Wearily-Moderated [Primaries] Thread
ElJeffe
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Okay guys.
Here we go again.
Talk about 2020 democratic primaries, don't talk about 2016 primaries, don't be assholes to each other, blah blah blah, you all know the drill.
People who do not follow these rules will be booted. There will not be warnings, you will just cease to exist as far as this thread is concerned. If you get booted from this thread, you are done for the primary season. There will be a LIST. You do not want to be on the LIST.
Have at it, ye jackals.
Here we go again.
Talk about 2020 democratic primaries, don't talk about 2016 primaries, don't be assholes to each other, blah blah blah, you all know the drill.
People who do not follow these rules will be booted. There will not be warnings, you will just cease to exist as far as this thread is concerned. If you get booted from this thread, you are done for the primary season. There will be a LIST. You do not want to be on the LIST.
Have at it, ye jackals.
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Got her!
As for some actual content, it's looking like Bernie has made some significant gains in polling recently, which is good imo, and not only just cuz I like Bernie a whole lot. It'll maybe drag the rest of the candidates a bit further left!
Im not sure this makes any sense?
You can watch the full smarm here:
Note the like/dislike ratio. And how all the upvoted comments are several flavors of "CNN sucks" for fanning up this controversy.
So of course Sanders and Warren fans got incredibly offended at each other and ignored the calls for party unity so it has been a very long month.
On the "pushup contests" front, here's Gabbard:
Jean Mackin is a WMUR News Anchor & Reporter
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There seems to be some kind of implication that the ACA was sabotaged by the people Biden is running against now
E: Re CNN
Which is pathetic, but also brought out a lot of BEC type comments when Warren made an ad saying she got the endorsement without mentioning Klobuchar.
Yes but also it was sabotaged by Republicans who will prevent Biden from achieving anything...
Folks are entitled to like him thats fine, that excerpt seemed to be a lot of contradiction and i have a new wrinkle now from a deeply furrowed brow
Even if the attacks come from people more to the left than Obama is.
The campaign and/or surrogates probably shouldn’t have used such an easily debunked clip to make this point. Because when the full clip and context inevitably surfaced, it made them look very silly. And now whenever the broader issue of SS is brought up, Biden can bring up that they twisted the narrative to make him say the opposite of what he was saying at the time.
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Jesus christ
When I first saw this I thought it was just the Times 'timesing it up with their own shit fuckery.
The more I think on it it's just insulting as fuck. No one candidate was good enough so fuck it uh just one of the women please?
They marched arm in arm and greeted warmly on MLK Jr. Day, so if they're past CNN's stuff, we should try to be, too.
Idk what to say man, Biden is on record multiple times bragging about voting to freeze SS spending.
Their argument was that they both represent better versions of Biden and sanders' positions. However, the optics are stupid, and they reward Warren for identifying the structural issues but suggest her answers to them go too far, as people will just accept the status quo.
It is stupid on so many levels.
What he's saying - and it's not just him, the full piece has a link to a New York Times article on Biden's support - is that too often, pledges for structural change by the government have not gone well for the black community, and that needs to be acknowledged. As that article points out:
The best I can tell it seems like the argument is that none of the other candidates can overcome Biden's already existing support with black voters because those voters don't actually believe any of the things they promise will happen.
Basically, being Obama's VP gets Biden those votes from the minute he enters the race. There isn't a neutral start to this, the votes come pre-aligned in large part. To get those votes then the other candidates need to take them away from Biden. They've been trying to do that with various policy proposals. This doesn't work because said voters don't think any of those policy proposals will actually go anywhere because the US system will not allow the government to help black people in any large meaningful way. So those votes don't budge.
That's what I think the argument is.
Oh, and I quoted wrong, they called Warren the "radical" endorsement.
Twitter person's bio:
In general I think no one should trust short and/or edited clips of anything a Democrat has said. I've seen too many very obviously selectively edited clips trying to start a social media shitstorm to not ask for the full context before even having an initial reaction. This is especially true for Biden who is the guy to go after right now and getting it from both sides of the political spectrum with these tactics.
And obviously, just don't trust anything from right-wing sources without verification elsewhere.
And they aren't wrong on that. You think that Sanders or Warren will be able to get their agenda pass McConnell? The only way that those votes move is that the non-Biden candidates make people believe that they can kick out McConnell too, which means large victories on early primary states. Which is....unlikely to say the least, so Biden so far is favored to win.
EDIT: And the sheer length of the primary season plays on Biden's favor, since candidates like Booker or Harris ran out of money before the votes started and a considerable amount of people are so sick of the whole thing that they rather just give Biden the damn thing now to be able to finally take the fight to Trump and McConnell instead of intra-party feuds.
I’m not disagreeing with this, I’m saying they made a mistake by using a selectively edited portion of a clip in which full context shows Biden clearly mocking Ryan’s extreme position, but they tried to claim he was agreeing with it.
-Indiana Solo, runner of blades
....ok but Biden has argued for SS benefit cuts and bragged about it on tape.
The best you can say here is when it comes to social benefits Biden has no real beliefs.
Yes, but that’s irrelevant to knitdan’s point. We on the forums all know Biden has talked about SS cuts and is not opposed to them inherently. That doesn’t affect the fact that the clip used by Sanders was one where he was mocking the idea of cutting SS to the bone
Biden's the best pick if you want to curb the Executive and keep punting.
To change the country, you need Congress - specifically the Senate. To get the Senate, you need to excite turnout and have candidates that can beat the Republicans, and even that won't be enough unless you get rid of the joke that is the current filibuster structure.
So Biden is by far the safest pick, but I worry he'll be the pick that won't drive enthusiasm in the Senate. And I think that's the piece that most Democratic candidates are missing. You need, NEED, to push those downballot changes. You need long coattails. And you need to inspire.
I'll vote for Biden because I have to (and believe me, I will). I'm voting for Warren because she excites me. And I'm in a lucky position where both my senators are Democrats, so my attention is turned to beating my craven house members.
Here's the ad Sanders is running
ie - Why are you lying when the truth is on your side? It's a stupid move that will just get you burned.
It doesn't.
"We don't trust these other guys to get anything done, but we do trust the guy who has openly said that he'll take steps to ensure nothing gets done"
Okay
The devil you know I guess?
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Because they don't view him as actively malignant.
I believe its ownership. If Biden wins the primary it'll be primarily on the back of minority and black voters so he'll "owe" them. Where as the black community does not feel should anyone else win they'd have that same level of ownership.
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And because they know he needs them.
Isn't Biden in fact saying the exact opposite, though? That the same republicans that sabotaged the ACA when he was a VP and President of the Senate will totally work with him when he becomes POTUS?