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Sony sued over Blu-ray

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edited May 2007 in Games and Technology
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/news/story.php?sid=6171498&part=rss&tag=gs_news&subj=6171498
Sony sued over Blu-ray
California company alleges patent infringements in PS3 maker's latest optical disc technology.
By Brendan Sinclair, GameSpot
Posted May 24, 2007 3:52 pm PT

Given its global position as an electronics giant, Sony is quite familiar with patent law. The company is also quite familiar with the potential penalties for running afoul of patent law, as evidenced by the $97 million in damages and interest it had to pay Immersion Corporation in a dispute over the rumble functions in Dual Shock controllers.

While the two companies have since patched things up, Sony opted to leave rumble by the wayside when it was designing the PlayStation 3's motion-sensing Sixaxis controller. The electronics giant couldn't avoid patent headaches entirely, however, as Irvine, California-based Target Technology Company filed suit earlier this month, seeking damages for alleged patent violations relating to the Blu-ray technology used in the system.

The suit, which names Sony Computer Entertainment America, Sony Pictures, and Sony DADC, claims that products marketed under the Blu-ray name infringe on a patent it owns for reflective layer materials in optical discs. The patent addresses what Target called a need for specific types of silver-based alloys with the advantages (but not the price) of gold. According to the patent, the alloys are also more resistant to corrosion than pure silver.

Target does not specify in its suit whether it believes all Blu-ray discs infringe on its patent, or just a portion of discs manufactured in specific ways. The patent was filed in April of 2004 and granted in March of 2006.

Target is seeking a permanent injunction preventing Sony from violating its patent rights in the future, as well as damages with interest, multiplied due to what it characterizes as deliberate and willful infringement.

Sony representatives declined to comment, while Target's attorneys had not returned GameSpot's requests for comment as of press time.

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  • DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Eh. Frivolous patent lawsuits are all the rage these days. I bet we never hear from this one again.

    (disclaimer: this statement is not to be taken as any indicator or conditional guarantee of future acts of autofellatio.)

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  • ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    This is not your year Sony.

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited May 2007
    Looks like a bullshit frivolous lawsuit to me. Why would you bring it up now after blu ray has been going a decent while?

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    In before the "lol sony."

    I wouldn't call this frivelous either, what with them actually having issued the patent years ago.

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  • Der Waffle MousDer Waffle Mous Blame this on the misfortune of your birth. New Yark, New Yark.Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Looks like a bullshit frivolous lawsuit to me. Why would you bring it up now after blu ray has been going a decent while?

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  • Kevin CristKevin Crist I make the devil hit his knees and say the 'our father'Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Looks like a bullshit frivolous lawsuit to me. Why would you bring it up now after blu ray has been going a decent while?

    Couldn't be anything to do with Bluray outselling HD-DVD, no sir.

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Looks like a bullshit frivolous lawsuit to me. Why would you bring it up now after blu ray has been going a decent while?
    Probably research to see if Sony's blu-ray stuffs were indeed infringing on the patent.

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  • randombattlerandombattle Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Henroid wrote: »
    Looks like a bullshit frivolous lawsuit to me. Why would you bring it up now after blu ray has been going a decent while?
    Probably research to see if Sony's blu-ray stuffs were indeed infringing on the patent.

    Huh? When did Blu-ray become popular and "has been going decent"?

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  • MuddBuddMuddBudd Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Oh man, I have the best piece of Blu-Ray propaganda at home right now, I will scan it in when I get off of work later tonight. It's hilarious.

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  • Shooter McgavinShooter Mcgavin Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Looks like a bullshit frivolous lawsuit to me. Why would you bring it up now after blu ray has been going a decent while?

    What's the point in suing over a patent infringement that has yet to make money? You'd spend more money in court and lawyer fees than you'd actually get out of the whole shebang. The point in suing over patent infringements is to recoup losses that exist, not losses that might exist.

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited May 2007
    Henroid wrote: »
    Looks like a bullshit frivolous lawsuit to me. Why would you bring it up now after blu ray has been going a decent while?
    Probably research to see if Sony's blu-ray stuffs were indeed infringing on the patent.

    Huh? When did Blu-ray become popular and "has been going decent"?

    the word "while" which you omitted completely changes the meaning of the sentence. Nice bit of bizarre outrage there though, especially considering I didn't mention popularity at all

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  • Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Henroid wrote: »
    Looks like a bullshit frivolous lawsuit to me. Why would you bring it up now after blu ray has been going a decent while?
    Probably research to see if Sony's blu-ray stuffs were indeed infringing on the patent.

    Huh? When did Blu-ray become popular and "has been going decent"?

    It's selling better than HD DVD. Though I wouldn't go as far to say it's popular.

    This would be terribly interesting if they lost the lawsuit considering the PS3 is hinged around the Blue-Ray Whether or not they would have to stop making the console entirely


    Also
    Sony to be bought by Nike in five years

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  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Looks like a bullshit frivolous lawsuit to me.

    Agreed, but can we all just say "olol Sony" anyway? ;)
    Couldn't be anything to do with Bluray outselling HD-DVD, no sir.

    One outselling the other doesn't mean much when neither are selling well at all...

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  • Atlus ParkerAtlus Parker Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    MuddBudd wrote: »
    Oh man, I have the best piece of Blu-Ray propaganda at home right now, I will scan it in when I get off of work later tonight. It's hilarious.

    bluraydsml.jpg

    :?:

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  • Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    MuddBudd wrote: »
    Oh man, I have the best piece of Blu-Ray propaganda at home right now, I will scan it in when I get off of work later tonight. It's hilarious.

    bluraydsml.jpg

    :?:


    This took me a while to realize that was orriginally the Quake/UT fight.

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Blaket wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    Looks like a bullshit frivolous lawsuit to me. Why would you bring it up now after blu ray has been going a decent while?
    Probably research to see if Sony's blu-ray stuffs were indeed infringing on the patent.

    Huh? When did Blu-ray become popular and "has been going decent"?

    It's selling better than HD DVD. Though I wouldn't go as far to say it's popular.

    This would be terribly interesting if they lost the lawsuit considering the PS3 is hinged around the Blue-Ray Whether or not they would have to stop making the console entirely


    Also
    Sony to be bought by Nike in five years

    The article said nothing of the console, it's all focused on the actual discs themselves.

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  • Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Henroid wrote: »
    Blaket wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    Looks like a bullshit frivolous lawsuit to me. Why would you bring it up now after blu ray has been going a decent while?
    Probably research to see if Sony's blu-ray stuffs were indeed infringing on the patent.

    Huh? When did Blu-ray become popular and "has been going decent"?

    It's selling better than HD DVD. Though I wouldn't go as far to say it's popular.

    This would be terribly interesting if they lost the lawsuit considering the PS3 is hinged around the Blue-Ray Whether or not they would have to stop making the console entirely


    Also
    Sony to be bought by Nike in five years

    The article said nothing of the console, it's all focused on the actual discs themselves.

    Well I'm going to go out on a limb here and say if they can't sell any more games on DISCS then they might be a bit up the creek.

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  • Shooter McgavinShooter Mcgavin Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    If somehow the planets aligned and Sony actually LOST this lawsuit, they would probably end up licensing the Blu-Ray technology from this company that I don't know the name of and will probably never hear from again.

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  • ViscountalphaViscountalpha The pen is mightier than the sword http://youtu.be/G_sBOsh-vyIRegistered User regular
    edited May 2007
    I wonder if this has any merit or not. Recently Microsoft has claimed linux violated some 200 patents. Everyones in a "I'm gonna sue you" frenzy. Even amd against intel. It always seems like a bunch of immature people suing just because they feel like it.

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    I wonder if this has any merit or not. Recently Microsoft has claimed linux violated some 200 patents. Everyones in a "I'm gonna sue you" frenzy. Even amd against intel. It always seems like a bunch of immature people suing just because they feel like it.

    It's all a race to the patent office, basically.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    MuddBudd wrote: »
    Oh man, I have the best piece of Blu-Ray propaganda at home right now, I will scan it in when I get off of work later tonight. It's hilarious.
    bluraydsml.jpg
    :?:

    Haha, great comic. And your avatar is the best ever. House ftw!

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  • Shooter McgavinShooter Mcgavin Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Linux: "Tell us what patents we infringed and we'll have them worked around in a heartbeat."

    Microsoft: "You'll find out in court!"

    :(

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  • The Black HunterThe Black Hunter The key is a minimum of compromise, and a simple, unimpeachable reason to existRegistered User regular
    edited May 2007
    They are all trying to knock out the competition.

    and wasnt sony going to be using Blu-ray before march 06?

    It's funny how all these tiny little companies try to take on the big guns.

    Its like a guppy picking a fight with Sin.

    This opinion is that of the user by the name of "The Black Hunter" and does not represent those of Penny arcade or their associates except the world.
    Sin used curtesy Squaresoft.

    PS: what the fuck is with this patenting shit anyway.

    Sure patent your design, but for fucks sake dont patent that it uses plastic. Or a press. Or that is stores information. Or that people make it.

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    and wasnt sony going to be using Blu-ray before march 06?

    *prays to the gods* Forgive me for making this bridge.

    Sony kinda put themselves in a reputation for, erm, "being inspired" by other companies' ideas.

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  • DevKimikoDevKimiko Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    You can't patent something as simple as 'it uses plastic' anyway. Patents have to be different from other patents and are used for specific designs, processes or technologies.

    At least, that's what I remember from my Design Prac lecture...

    [edit] Wiki explains this better than me:
    A patent is a set of exclusive rights granted by a state to a patentee (the inventor or assignee) for a fixed period of time in exchange for the regulated, public disclosure of certain details of a device, method, process or composition of matter (substance) (known as an invention) which is new, inventive, and useful or industrially applicable. Modern patents for inventions include a set of claims which provide the basis for determining the exclusive rights, i.e the scope of protection.

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  • Shooter McgavinShooter Mcgavin Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Henroid wrote: »
    and wasnt sony going to be using Blu-ray before march 06?

    *prays to the gods* Forgive me for making this bridge.

    Sony kinda put themselves in a reputation for, erm, "being inspired" by other companies' ideas.

    Are you referring to the Six-Axis? Maybe it's because I don't actually own a PS3, but it seems like the whole Six-Axis / Wii comparison kinda died out a while ago.

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  • Unco-ordinatedUnco-ordinated NZRegistered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Henroid wrote: »
    In before the "lol sony."

    I wouldn't call this frivelous either, what with them actually having issued the patent years ago.

    They issued it in 2004. Sony have been working on the Blu-Ray for like a decade. Who wins?

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Henroid wrote: »
    In before the "lol sony."

    I wouldn't call this frivelous either, what with them actually having issued the patent years ago.

    They issued it in 2004. Sony have been working on the Blu-Ray for like a decade. Who wins?

    The lawyers? <.<

    Is there any info on Sony patening their blu-ray stuffs?

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  • MarlorMarlor Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Looks like a bullshit frivolous lawsuit to me. Why would you bring it up now after blu ray has been going a decent while?

    They've probably been sending letters to Sony for months accusing them of patent infringement (and asking for a settlement), and are only now launching a lawsuit.

    But, it's probably frivolous anyway. Most patent lawsuits are.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Henroid wrote: »
    In before the "lol sony."

    I wouldn't call this frivelous either, what with them actually having issued the patent years ago.

    They issued it in 2004. Sony have been working on the Blu-Ray for like a decade. Who wins?

    The Blu-Ray Association was founded in 2002 and research into it probably didn't being that long before the group was formed. There is the question of when Sony decided to start using the alloy.

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  • EinhanderEinhander __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2007
    So, how does this affect other companies that manufacture Blu-Ray discs? Like Verbatim or Phillips?

    Wait, it doesn't even matter. This lawsuit is stupid and it will go nowhere.

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited May 2007
    hypothetically, if this lawsuit were legit, and sony lost in court, would that basically put them in a tailspin?

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  • BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    edited May 2007
    hypothetically, if this lawsuit were legit, and sony lost in court, would that basically put them in a tailspin?

    They could probably just throw money at the problem until it went away. Buy the company suing them, and their houses/families/souls.

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  • ZekZek Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Let's be honest here, the timing of the lawsuit is obviously to maximize the size of a settlement from Sony. But that does not mean the complaint is frivolous.

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  • Lucky CynicLucky Cynic Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Rolo wrote: »
    hypothetically, if this lawsuit were legit, and sony lost in court, would that basically put them in a tailspin?

    They could probably just throw money at the problem until it went away. Buy the company suing them, and their houses/families/souls.

    Even better, Sony could put a patent on their lives and get sued by God and his lawyers.

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  • Blake TBlake T Do you have enemies then? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    hypothetically, if this lawsuit were legit, and sony lost in court, would that basically put them in a tailspin?

    I suppose they could always buy the patent off them, but the potential value of it would be probably in the order of billions of dollars.

    What would be really interesting if then Microsoft would then do the ultimate hardball move and then buy the patent. THAT would be interesting to see.

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  • ZekZek Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Blaket wrote: »
    hypothetically, if this lawsuit were legit, and sony lost in court, would that basically put them in a tailspin?

    I suppose they could always buy the patent off them, but the potential value of it would be probably in the order of billions of dollars.

    What would be really interesting if then Microsoft would then do the ultimate hardball move and then buy the patent. THAT would be interesting to see.

    I really doubt that these guys have any intention of taking it all the way and wrestling Blu-Ray away from Sony, even if their case is strong enough to make that even remotely possible. They just want a piece of the pie.

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  • elkataselkatas Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    hypothetically, if this lawsuit were legit

    It is legit. This isn't just some random two men company, it is Target Technology, company behind silver alloy coating that is currently used in nearly all commercially pressed DVDs.

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  • DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Holy crap, somebody who has facts and knows things! Run, the thread is over with!

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  • MarlorMarlor Registered User regular
    edited May 2007
    Zek wrote: »
    I really doubt that these guys have any intention of taking it all the way and wrestling Blu-Ray away from Sony, even if their case is strong enough to make that even remotely possible. They just want a piece of the pie.

    Exactly. All they need to do is convince Sony that a judge might be persuaded that their claim is valid. Once they do that, Sony will possibly decide that it's better just to send a massive cash settlement their way, rather than face the risk of losing the case.

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