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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Xehalus wrote: »
    so was Bloomberg asked to steal the nomination from Bernie and Warren

    that's seems like the general idea here

    He thought Biden was a paper tiger and set himself up to take his place when he fell apart.

    A big part of the reason for this is to blunt the growth of left-wing anti-rich-people politics in the democratic party.

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  • GustavGustav Friend of Goats Somewhere in the OzarksRegistered User regular
    I kinda will always resent Jon Stewart for making everyone feeling pretty smug in their republican goof’em’ups

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    mitch mcconnell is the devil and the democrats think the way to pwn him is to give him nicknames

    Moscow Mitch is one of the few things that seemed to ever actually get under his skin.
    Who cares, is the thing

    He is still being the evil nightmare he always has been

    Him going OH NO THEY CALLED ME A NAME while okaying the latest atrocity doesn't mean shit

    His usual mo would be to say nothing and keep destroying US democracy, so the fact that he even bothered to respond at all suggests it actually bothered him in some way or he thinks it hurts his re-election chances or something like that. Clearly not enough on it's own since they need to actually beat him in the election in November (fingers crossed there), but it's interesting that he seemed to care at all.
    No it isn't! The fact that he got his feelings hurt by the mean nickname is 0% interesting because it doesn't do shit

    It doesn't hurt his reelection because its a goofy nickname and those don't do anything

    Politicians getting mildly uncomfortable because they are being teased is nothing

    Politicians being actively, constantly aggressively hounded by their constituents who do not feel represented to the point where they have to think about whether they can have dinner in public

    Now that's something interesting

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    mitch mcconnell is the devil and the democrats think the way to pwn him is to give him nicknames

    Moscow Mitch is one of the few things that seemed to ever actually get under his skin.
    Who cares, is the thing

    He is still being the evil nightmare he always has been

    Him going OH NO THEY CALLED ME A NAME while okaying the latest atrocity doesn't mean shit

    His usual mo would be to say nothing and keep destroying US democracy, so the fact that he even bothered to respond at all suggests it actually bothered him in some way or he thinks it hurts his re-election chances or something like that. Clearly not enough on it's own since they need to actually beat him in the election in November (fingers crossed there), but it's interesting that he seemed to care at all.
    No it isn't! The fact that he got his feelings hurt by the mean nickname is 0% interesting because it doesn't do shit

    It doesn't hurt his reelection because its a goofy nickname and those don't do anything

    Politicians getting mildly uncomfortable because they are being teased is nothing

    Politicians being actively, constantly aggressively hounded by their constituents who do not feel represented to the point where they have to think about whether they can have dinner in public

    Now that's something interesting

    If it doesn't do anything, why does he care? He's never cared before.

    No-Quarter
  • wanderingwandering Russia state-affiliated media Registered User regular
    Gustav wrote: »
    I got into a drunk politics conversation at the bar last night and then a boomer looking dude came over and asked if we were talking politics and then announced “cus all I wanna say is fuck Bloomberg that fucking shit”

    Cheers and beers followed
    That’s one ok boomer

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  • AiouaAioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    mitch mcconnel shouldn't be grumpy about being called a name

    he should be legitimately and actually afraid of leaving his home

    he has a lot of money and power so that's a tall order but until that's where we're at with the guy i'm not impressed by "getting under his skin"

    Kentucky went 62.52% for trump in 2016.

    In 2018, all six of its house reps were up for re-election, the 5 Rs held their seats, and the overall vote was 59% republican. (and they get 5 out of 6 seats thank gerrymandering)

    he doesn't need to fear shit because the only way he's leaving office is when he retires

    his low popularity doesn't mean shit, the state may hate him but they hate anyone with a (D) even more

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
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    BlankZoe wrote: »
    Yeah if literally anything is getting undone from Trump it would require A) Dem House and Senate and B) a willingness to fuckin fight for it.

    Not a "oh, we will cross the aisle and work together" mealy mouth promise

    That shit doesn't work

    The other side has been actively destroying every part of the government for over a decade and has no interest in anything other than their own power

    You gotta dig in and pick fights and even then shits gonna get messy. The courts are filled with unqualified, bigoted and corrupt judges right now. That ain't something that's gonna get fixed with well wishes and hope.

    This is insipid bullshit. What does this mean in context? Is Bernie going to lecture people into doing what he wants? What will he do when that inevitably fails?
    It means that he will have to pick fights

    Not go OH JEEZ WE COULD DO THIS BUT IT'LL BE HARD SO LETS ACTUALLY TRY A HALF MEASURE FIRST

    Fuckin go for the big swings, fight the right fights and not just the ones that are easy wins

    This country has been broken to such a degree that tiptoeing around trying to not be TOO aggressive about fighting back means you aren't worth anyone's time

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  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Speaking of backing off on M4A! Here's AOC conceding that M4A might not happen! Oops! Looks like somebody understands that insipid platitudes about "rallying the people" and "fighting for it" don't actually pass legislation. I wonder if she'll get excoriated now for trying to tell the truth.

    https://www.axios.com/aoc-medicare-for-all-public-option-bernie-sanders-6f94493e-96d3-4329-8c29-d17891d43fc9.html
    A president can’t wave a magic wand and pass any legislation they want,” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) told HuffPost this week

    Ocasio-Cortez ― one of the most outspoken advocates for Medicare for All ― said she thought voters understood there was an “inherent check” on the president’s ability to actually change things like our health care system. And she argued that the realities of governing were actually an argument for someone like Sanders, as he’d be able to push Democrats and resulting changes further left.

    But Ocasio-Cortez is also realistic about how far even a President Sanders could actually move Congress.

    “The worst-case scenario? We compromise deeply and we end up getting a public option. Is that a nightmare? I don’t think so,” she said.

    Ocasio-Cortez stressed that just getting a public option for health care wasn’t the left’s ultimate goal. But she also said she wasn’t here to railroad other members with differing viewpoints on health care ― she just thinks it helps to have a president who has a more ambitious platform than Congress so that Democrats could stretch what’s possible.

    you are so transparently frothing about sanders it is hilarious

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  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    can't believe bernie owns three homes and yet he's living in y'alls head rent free

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    mitch mcconnell is the devil and the democrats think the way to pwn him is to give him nicknames

    Moscow Mitch is one of the few things that seemed to ever actually get under his skin.
    Who cares, is the thing

    He is still being the evil nightmare he always has been

    Him going OH NO THEY CALLED ME A NAME while okaying the latest atrocity doesn't mean shit

    His usual mo would be to say nothing and keep destroying US democracy, so the fact that he even bothered to respond at all suggests it actually bothered him in some way or he thinks it hurts his re-election chances or something like that. Clearly not enough on it's own since they need to actually beat him in the election in November (fingers crossed there), but it's interesting that he seemed to care at all.
    No it isn't! The fact that he got his feelings hurt by the mean nickname is 0% interesting because it doesn't do shit

    It doesn't hurt his reelection because its a goofy nickname and those don't do anything

    Politicians getting mildly uncomfortable because they are being teased is nothing

    Politicians being actively, constantly aggressively hounded by their constituents who do not feel represented to the point where they have to think about whether they can have dinner in public

    Now that's something interesting

    If it doesn't do anything, why does he care? He's never cared before.
    Why does him caring matter?

    His actions have not changed whatsoever

    He is still actively destroying our government

    His being grumpy about a name when he wasn't before doesn't mean a single thing until it actually changes something significant, which it absolutely has not

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  • No-QuarterNo-Quarter Nothing To Fear But Fear ItselfRegistered User regular
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    Yeah if literally anything is getting undone from Trump it would require A) Dem House and Senate and B) a willingness to fuckin fight for it.

    Not a "oh, we will cross the aisle and work together" mealy mouth promise

    That shit doesn't work

    The other side has been actively destroying every part of the government for over a decade and has no interest in anything other than their own power

    You gotta dig in and pick fights and even then shits gonna get messy. The courts are filled with unqualified, bigoted and corrupt judges right now. That ain't something that's gonna get fixed with well wishes and hope.

    This is insipid bullshit. What does this mean in context? Is Bernie going to lecture people into doing what he wants? What will he do when that inevitably fails?
    It means that he will have to pick fights

    Not go OH JEEZ WE COULD DO THIS BUT IT'LL BE HARD SO LETS ACTUALLY TRY A HALF MEASURE FIRST

    Fuckin go for the big swings, fight the right fights and not just the ones that are easy wins

    This country has been broken to such a degree that tiptoeing around trying to not be TOO aggressive about fighting back means you aren't worth anyone's time

    Again, this is all platitudes. It's just bullshit. Can you give me specific concrete examples of what any of that means?

    AOC herself just conceded the likelihood of compromising down to a Public Option, is she the devil now, too?

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  • SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    Any single bit of anything that makes Mitch McConnell unhappy for even one second is a win in my book.

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  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    the tone of everything became so different once people realized "vote blue no matter who" might mean they have to vote for bernie rather than something they get to smugly tell sanders supporters

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  • CelloCello Registered User regular
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    mitch mcconnell is the devil and the democrats think the way to pwn him is to give him nicknames

    Moscow Mitch is one of the few things that seemed to ever actually get under his skin.
    Who cares, is the thing

    He is still being the evil nightmare he always has been

    Him going OH NO THEY CALLED ME A NAME while okaying the latest atrocity doesn't mean shit

    His usual mo would be to say nothing and keep destroying US democracy, so the fact that he even bothered to respond at all suggests it actually bothered him in some way or he thinks it hurts his re-election chances or something like that. Clearly not enough on it's own since they need to actually beat him in the election in November (fingers crossed there), but it's interesting that he seemed to care at all.
    No it isn't! The fact that he got his feelings hurt by the mean nickname is 0% interesting because it doesn't do shit

    It doesn't hurt his reelection because its a goofy nickname and those don't do anything

    Politicians getting mildly uncomfortable because they are being teased is nothing

    Politicians being actively, constantly aggressively hounded by their constituents who do not feel represented to the point where they have to think about whether they can have dinner in public

    Now that's something interesting

    If it doesn't do anything, why does he care? He's never cared before.
    Why does him caring matter?

    His actions have not changed whatsoever

    He is still actively destroying our government

    His being grumpy about a name when he wasn't before doesn't mean a single thing until it actually changes something significant, which it absolutely has not

    I suppose it means he has the capacity to feel something, other than pleasure in tearing apart the foundations of American democracy

    I don't think it does anything beyond that, though, because he keeps on doing the whole tearing thing no matter how many times people say Moscow Mitch on Twitter

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    shryke wrote: »
    mitch mcconnell is the devil and the democrats think the way to pwn him is to give him nicknames

    Moscow Mitch is one of the few things that seemed to ever actually get under his skin.
    Who cares, is the thing

    He is still being the evil nightmare he always has been

    Him going OH NO THEY CALLED ME A NAME while okaying the latest atrocity doesn't mean shit

    His usual mo would be to say nothing and keep destroying US democracy, so the fact that he even bothered to respond at all suggests it actually bothered him in some way or he thinks it hurts his re-election chances or something like that. Clearly not enough on it's own since they need to actually beat him in the election in November (fingers crossed there), but it's interesting that he seemed to care at all.
    No it isn't! The fact that he got his feelings hurt by the mean nickname is 0% interesting because it doesn't do shit

    It doesn't hurt his reelection because its a goofy nickname and those don't do anything

    Politicians getting mildly uncomfortable because they are being teased is nothing

    Politicians being actively, constantly aggressively hounded by their constituents who do not feel represented to the point where they have to think about whether they can have dinner in public

    Now that's something interesting

    If it doesn't do anything, why does he care? He's never cared before.
    Why does him caring matter?

    His actions have not changed whatsoever

    He is still actively destroying our government

    His being grumpy about a name when he wasn't before doesn't mean a single thing until it actually changes something significant, which it absolutely has not

    It would matter in that if it in some way bothers him, especially if it bothers him because he thinks it effects his chances at winning, it's a button the Democrats should keep pushing. Obviously that's not all they should do, but no ones suggested that.

  • No-QuarterNo-Quarter Nothing To Fear But Fear ItselfRegistered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Speaking of backing off on M4A! Here's AOC conceding that M4A might not happen! Oops! Looks like somebody understands that insipid platitudes about "rallying the people" and "fighting for it" don't actually pass legislation. I wonder if she'll get excoriated now for trying to tell the truth.

    https://www.axios.com/aoc-medicare-for-all-public-option-bernie-sanders-6f94493e-96d3-4329-8c29-d17891d43fc9.html
    A president can’t wave a magic wand and pass any legislation they want,” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) told HuffPost this week

    Ocasio-Cortez ― one of the most outspoken advocates for Medicare for All ― said she thought voters understood there was an “inherent check” on the president’s ability to actually change things like our health care system. And she argued that the realities of governing were actually an argument for someone like Sanders, as he’d be able to push Democrats and resulting changes further left.

    But Ocasio-Cortez is also realistic about how far even a President Sanders could actually move Congress.

    “The worst-case scenario? We compromise deeply and we end up getting a public option. Is that a nightmare? I don’t think so,” she said.

    Ocasio-Cortez stressed that just getting a public option for health care wasn’t the left’s ultimate goal. But she also said she wasn’t here to railroad other members with differing viewpoints on health care ― she just thinks it helps to have a president who has a more ambitious platform than Congress so that Democrats could stretch what’s possible.

    you are so transparently frothing about sanders it is hilarious

    So I take it that you DONT have a response to the fact that he's not going to get his singular promise off the ground?

  • SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    Yeah if literally anything is getting undone from Trump it would require A) Dem House and Senate and B) a willingness to fuckin fight for it.

    Not a "oh, we will cross the aisle and work together" mealy mouth promise

    That shit doesn't work

    The other side has been actively destroying every part of the government for over a decade and has no interest in anything other than their own power

    You gotta dig in and pick fights and even then shits gonna get messy. The courts are filled with unqualified, bigoted and corrupt judges right now. That ain't something that's gonna get fixed with well wishes and hope.

    This is insipid bullshit. What does this mean in context? Is Bernie going to lecture people into doing what he wants? What will he do when that inevitably fails?
    It means that he will have to pick fights

    Not go OH JEEZ WE COULD DO THIS BUT IT'LL BE HARD SO LETS ACTUALLY TRY A HALF MEASURE FIRST

    Fuckin go for the big swings, fight the right fights and not just the ones that are easy wins

    This country has been broken to such a degree that tiptoeing around trying to not be TOO aggressive about fighting back means you aren't worth anyone's time

    Again, this is all platitudes. It's just bullshit. Can you give me specific concrete examples of what any of that means?

    AOC herself just conceded the likelihood of compromising down to a Public Option, is she the devil now, too?

    I'd rather we aim high and end up somewhere decent than aim at something "reasonable" and end up with barely an improvement. That's kind of the whole Bernie or Warren divide in my mind. I'll be happy with either but I like Bernie's approach better.

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  • GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    I don't think someone saying "I'd vote for Bloomberg over Trump" is like, a horrible thing to say.

    I really, really, really hope Bloomberg is not very successful in the primaries but if he unfortunately is, I will vote for him over Trump because there is bad and then worse. I would vote for almost any other person in the democratic party before bloomberg though. Those aren't mutually exclusive statements.

    This is all super hypothetical at this point so try not to get too stressed out about who the democratic challenger is gonna be so early in the primary season. It's too up in the air to be doom and gloom about it as opposed to all the things that right now at the moment you could be doom and gloom about. Basically just try not to get extra anxious over another hypothetical thing when I'm sure everybody here, myself included, have plenty of stuff they're already anxious about.

    Oh and also the USSR being incredibly super shitty for the majority of its populace for the majority of its existence doesn't and any candidate's ignorance of it doesn't seem like a super relevant talking point? Like there's almost no country in the world left that has a soviet style administration. And the Soviet Union has been dead and gone for longer than probably the majority in this forum have been alive. So, eh, Bernie liked some things he saw in his curated USSR tour? I dunnae care.

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  • SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Speaking of backing off on M4A! Here's AOC conceding that M4A might not happen! Oops! Looks like somebody understands that insipid platitudes about "rallying the people" and "fighting for it" don't actually pass legislation. I wonder if she'll get excoriated now for trying to tell the truth.

    https://www.axios.com/aoc-medicare-for-all-public-option-bernie-sanders-6f94493e-96d3-4329-8c29-d17891d43fc9.html
    A president can’t wave a magic wand and pass any legislation they want,” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) told HuffPost this week

    Ocasio-Cortez ― one of the most outspoken advocates for Medicare for All ― said she thought voters understood there was an “inherent check” on the president’s ability to actually change things like our health care system. And she argued that the realities of governing were actually an argument for someone like Sanders, as he’d be able to push Democrats and resulting changes further left.

    But Ocasio-Cortez is also realistic about how far even a President Sanders could actually move Congress.

    “The worst-case scenario? We compromise deeply and we end up getting a public option. Is that a nightmare? I don’t think so,” she said.

    Ocasio-Cortez stressed that just getting a public option for health care wasn’t the left’s ultimate goal. But she also said she wasn’t here to railroad other members with differing viewpoints on health care ― she just thinks it helps to have a president who has a more ambitious platform than Congress so that Democrats could stretch what’s possible.

    you are so transparently frothing about sanders it is hilarious

    So I take it that you DONT have a response to the fact that he's not going to get his singular promise off the ground?

    You know he has a whole bunch of other things in his campaign too right

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    Yeah if literally anything is getting undone from Trump it would require A) Dem House and Senate and B) a willingness to fuckin fight for it.

    Not a "oh, we will cross the aisle and work together" mealy mouth promise

    That shit doesn't work

    The other side has been actively destroying every part of the government for over a decade and has no interest in anything other than their own power

    You gotta dig in and pick fights and even then shits gonna get messy. The courts are filled with unqualified, bigoted and corrupt judges right now. That ain't something that's gonna get fixed with well wishes and hope.

    This is insipid bullshit. What does this mean in context? Is Bernie going to lecture people into doing what he wants? What will he do when that inevitably fails?
    It means that he will have to pick fights

    Not go OH JEEZ WE COULD DO THIS BUT IT'LL BE HARD SO LETS ACTUALLY TRY A HALF MEASURE FIRST

    Fuckin go for the big swings, fight the right fights and not just the ones that are easy wins

    This country has been broken to such a degree that tiptoeing around trying to not be TOO aggressive about fighting back means you aren't worth anyone's time

    Again, this is all platitudes. It's just bullshit. Can you give me specific concrete examples of what any of that means?

    AOC herself just conceded the likelihood of compromising down to a Public Option, is she the devil now, too?
    If you actually read the article you so excitedly posted to shit on one of the country's most exciting politicians you would see where she says conceding would be a "worst case scenario"

    Not likely

    Not something she wants to do

    But the worst case scenario.

    Acting like that is her giving up and saying she was wrong is hilariously petty

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  • AiouaAioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    Yeah if literally anything is getting undone from Trump it would require A) Dem House and Senate and B) a willingness to fuckin fight for it.

    Not a "oh, we will cross the aisle and work together" mealy mouth promise

    That shit doesn't work

    The other side has been actively destroying every part of the government for over a decade and has no interest in anything other than their own power

    You gotta dig in and pick fights and even then shits gonna get messy. The courts are filled with unqualified, bigoted and corrupt judges right now. That ain't something that's gonna get fixed with well wishes and hope.

    This is insipid bullshit. What does this mean in context? Is Bernie going to lecture people into doing what he wants? What will he do when that inevitably fails?
    It means that he will have to pick fights

    Not go OH JEEZ WE COULD DO THIS BUT IT'LL BE HARD SO LETS ACTUALLY TRY A HALF MEASURE FIRST

    Fuckin go for the big swings, fight the right fights and not just the ones that are easy wins

    This country has been broken to such a degree that tiptoeing around trying to not be TOO aggressive about fighting back means you aren't worth anyone's time

    Again, this is all platitudes. It's just bullshit. Can you give me specific concrete examples of what any of that means?

    AOC herself just conceded the likelihood of compromising down to a Public Option, is she the devil now, too?

    I'd rather we aim high and end up somewhere decent than aim at something "reasonable" and end up with barely an improvement. That's kind of the whole Bernie or Warren divide in my mind. I'll be happy with either but I like Bernie's approach better.

    Warren's aiming for the same things!

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    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Speaking of backing off on M4A! Here's AOC conceding that M4A might not happen! Oops! Looks like somebody understands that insipid platitudes about "rallying the people" and "fighting for it" don't actually pass legislation. I wonder if she'll get excoriated now for trying to tell the truth.

    https://www.axios.com/aoc-medicare-for-all-public-option-bernie-sanders-6f94493e-96d3-4329-8c29-d17891d43fc9.html
    A president can’t wave a magic wand and pass any legislation they want,” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) told HuffPost this week

    Ocasio-Cortez ― one of the most outspoken advocates for Medicare for All ― said she thought voters understood there was an “inherent check” on the president’s ability to actually change things like our health care system. And she argued that the realities of governing were actually an argument for someone like Sanders, as he’d be able to push Democrats and resulting changes further left.

    But Ocasio-Cortez is also realistic about how far even a President Sanders could actually move Congress.

    “The worst-case scenario? We compromise deeply and we end up getting a public option. Is that a nightmare? I don’t think so,” she said.

    Ocasio-Cortez stressed that just getting a public option for health care wasn’t the left’s ultimate goal. But she also said she wasn’t here to railroad other members with differing viewpoints on health care ― she just thinks it helps to have a president who has a more ambitious platform than Congress so that Democrats could stretch what’s possible.

    you are so transparently frothing about sanders it is hilarious

    So I take it that you DONT have a response to the fact that he's not going to get his singular promise off the ground?

    my dude this is SE++ not D&D i don't have to write three paragraphs pretending that you've written anything at all worth replying to, all you did is cherrypick something that fits your anger and now you're screaming "CHECKMATE, BERNIE BROS! DEBATE ME! DEBATE ME! DEBATE MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"

    i get to just say "lol, you are very mad"

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    Aioua wrote: »
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    Yeah if literally anything is getting undone from Trump it would require A) Dem House and Senate and B) a willingness to fuckin fight for it.

    Not a "oh, we will cross the aisle and work together" mealy mouth promise

    That shit doesn't work

    The other side has been actively destroying every part of the government for over a decade and has no interest in anything other than their own power

    You gotta dig in and pick fights and even then shits gonna get messy. The courts are filled with unqualified, bigoted and corrupt judges right now. That ain't something that's gonna get fixed with well wishes and hope.

    This is insipid bullshit. What does this mean in context? Is Bernie going to lecture people into doing what he wants? What will he do when that inevitably fails?
    It means that he will have to pick fights

    Not go OH JEEZ WE COULD DO THIS BUT IT'LL BE HARD SO LETS ACTUALLY TRY A HALF MEASURE FIRST

    Fuckin go for the big swings, fight the right fights and not just the ones that are easy wins

    This country has been broken to such a degree that tiptoeing around trying to not be TOO aggressive about fighting back means you aren't worth anyone's time

    Again, this is all platitudes. It's just bullshit. Can you give me specific concrete examples of what any of that means?

    AOC herself just conceded the likelihood of compromising down to a Public Option, is she the devil now, too?

    I'd rather we aim high and end up somewhere decent than aim at something "reasonable" and end up with barely an improvement. That's kind of the whole Bernie or Warren divide in my mind. I'll be happy with either but I like Bernie's approach better.

    Warren's aiming for the same things!

    I mean her Healthcare thing literally is not though. She's splitting it up, Bernie's going for it all in one go.

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    Aioua wrote: »
    mitch mcconnel shouldn't be grumpy about being called a name

    he should be legitimately and actually afraid of leaving his home

    he has a lot of money and power so that's a tall order but until that's where we're at with the guy i'm not impressed by "getting under his skin"

    Kentucky went 62.52% for trump in 2016.

    In 2018, all six of its house reps were up for re-election, the 5 Rs held their seats, and the overall vote was 59% republican. (and they get 5 out of 6 seats thank gerrymandering)

    he doesn't need to fear shit because the only way he's leaving office is when he retires

    his low popularity doesn't mean shit, the state may hate him but they hate anyone with a (D) even more

    what does that have to do with anything i said

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    I thought Trevor Noah had some real good thoughts about how Stop and Frisk was so insidiously evil.

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    Maybe a bunch of us are tired of, after being told time and again to "just hold your nose and vote for this candidate even if you don't really care for them much they're better than the other person" when it comes to voting for empty centrist suits over people actually pushing progressive visions, but then when the most progressive candidate is actually in the lead, all those people who were telling us to hold our noses and vote are screaming at us to, yet again, choose a compromise candidate.

    No motherfuckers, it's your turn to compromise.

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  • AiouaAioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    Yeah if literally anything is getting undone from Trump it would require A) Dem House and Senate and B) a willingness to fuckin fight for it.

    Not a "oh, we will cross the aisle and work together" mealy mouth promise

    That shit doesn't work

    The other side has been actively destroying every part of the government for over a decade and has no interest in anything other than their own power

    You gotta dig in and pick fights and even then shits gonna get messy. The courts are filled with unqualified, bigoted and corrupt judges right now. That ain't something that's gonna get fixed with well wishes and hope.

    This is insipid bullshit. What does this mean in context? Is Bernie going to lecture people into doing what he wants? What will he do when that inevitably fails?
    It means that he will have to pick fights

    Not go OH JEEZ WE COULD DO THIS BUT IT'LL BE HARD SO LETS ACTUALLY TRY A HALF MEASURE FIRST

    Fuckin go for the big swings, fight the right fights and not just the ones that are easy wins

    This country has been broken to such a degree that tiptoeing around trying to not be TOO aggressive about fighting back means you aren't worth anyone's time

    Again, this is all platitudes. It's just bullshit. Can you give me specific concrete examples of what any of that means?

    AOC herself just conceded the likelihood of compromising down to a Public Option, is she the devil now, too?

    I'd rather we aim high and end up somewhere decent than aim at something "reasonable" and end up with barely an improvement. That's kind of the whole Bernie or Warren divide in my mind. I'll be happy with either but I like Bernie's approach better.

    Warren's aiming for the same things!

    I mean her Healthcare thing literally is not though. She's splitting it up, Bernie's going for it all in one go.

    do they not both plan to have m4a at the end of four years?

    the only difference I see is that if they fail to meet that goal (which is EXTREMELY likely, doubly so for bernie who has no way of getting it though a filibuster-intact senate), with warren's plan there's a chance we at least get a consolation prize

    what I don't want is to go in demanding a unicorn, fuck around for a while, get nothing, and then have the republicans come back in with the narrative that dems clearly can't fix healthcare, let us do it instead

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  • No-QuarterNo-Quarter Nothing To Fear But Fear ItselfRegistered User regular
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    Yeah if literally anything is getting undone from Trump it would require A) Dem House and Senate and B) a willingness to fuckin fight for it.

    Not a "oh, we will cross the aisle and work together" mealy mouth promise

    That shit doesn't work

    The other side has been actively destroying every part of the government for over a decade and has no interest in anything other than their own power

    You gotta dig in and pick fights and even then shits gonna get messy. The courts are filled with unqualified, bigoted and corrupt judges right now. That ain't something that's gonna get fixed with well wishes and hope.

    This is insipid bullshit. What does this mean in context? Is Bernie going to lecture people into doing what he wants? What will he do when that inevitably fails?
    It means that he will have to pick fights

    Not go OH JEEZ WE COULD DO THIS BUT IT'LL BE HARD SO LETS ACTUALLY TRY A HALF MEASURE FIRST

    Fuckin go for the big swings, fight the right fights and not just the ones that are easy wins

    This country has been broken to such a degree that tiptoeing around trying to not be TOO aggressive about fighting back means you aren't worth anyone's time

    Again, this is all platitudes. It's just bullshit. Can you give me specific concrete examples of what any of that means?

    AOC herself just conceded the likelihood of compromising down to a Public Option, is she the devil now, too?

    I'd rather we aim high and end up somewhere decent than aim at something "reasonable" and end up with barely an improvement. That's kind of the whole Bernie or Warren divide in my mind. I'll be happy with either but I like Bernie's approach better.

    Except that's not what Sanders has been selling, has he? He hasn't been selling compromise, or reasonability. It's been fire-breathing about revolutions and the will of the people. He certainly hasn't addressed political realities. His plan for McConnell is to... hold a rally in Kentucky. I'm sure Mitch will be quaking in his boots.

    And it's certainly not the type of criticism his supporters have levied at other candidates.

    "Warren ABANDONED M4A! *snake emojis*"

    What will be the response from Sanders supporters when he inevitably can't deliver on his singular promise?

  • AiouaAioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    Aioua wrote: »
    mitch mcconnel shouldn't be grumpy about being called a name

    he should be legitimately and actually afraid of leaving his home

    he has a lot of money and power so that's a tall order but until that's where we're at with the guy i'm not impressed by "getting under his skin"

    Kentucky went 62.52% for trump in 2016.

    In 2018, all six of its house reps were up for re-election, the 5 Rs held their seats, and the overall vote was 59% republican. (and they get 5 out of 6 seats thank gerrymandering)

    he doesn't need to fear shit because the only way he's leaving office is when he retires

    his low popularity doesn't mean shit, the state may hate him but they hate anyone with a (D) even more

    what does that have to do with anything i said

    I mean what, are you saying people should be assaulting him in the street?
    Because his job is certainly not in danger.

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    her usage of the word "affordable" torpedoes any goodwill about being genuinely for m4a, turning healthcare as a human right into literally anything with a gate is fundamentally missing the point

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    No-Quarter wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    Speaking of backing off on M4A! Here's AOC conceding that M4A might not happen! Oops! Looks like somebody understands that insipid platitudes about "rallying the people" and "fighting for it" don't actually pass legislation. I wonder if she'll get excoriated now for trying to tell the truth.

    https://www.axios.com/aoc-medicare-for-all-public-option-bernie-sanders-6f94493e-96d3-4329-8c29-d17891d43fc9.html
    A president can’t wave a magic wand and pass any legislation they want,” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) told HuffPost this week

    Ocasio-Cortez ― one of the most outspoken advocates for Medicare for All ― said she thought voters understood there was an “inherent check” on the president’s ability to actually change things like our health care system. And she argued that the realities of governing were actually an argument for someone like Sanders, as he’d be able to push Democrats and resulting changes further left.

    But Ocasio-Cortez is also realistic about how far even a President Sanders could actually move Congress.

    “The worst-case scenario? We compromise deeply and we end up getting a public option. Is that a nightmare? I don’t think so,” she said.

    Ocasio-Cortez stressed that just getting a public option for health care wasn’t the left’s ultimate goal. But she also said she wasn’t here to railroad other members with differing viewpoints on health care ― she just thinks it helps to have a president who has a more ambitious platform than Congress so that Democrats could stretch what’s possible.

    you are so transparently frothing about sanders it is hilarious

    So I take it that you DONT have a response to the fact that he's not going to get his singular promise off the ground?

    Their reponse was to mock your hilarious pathetic bloodthirstiness

    Broke as fuck in the style of the times. Gratitude is all that can return on your generosity.

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  • I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    edited February 2020
    Aioua wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    mitch mcconnel shouldn't be grumpy about being called a name

    he should be legitimately and actually afraid of leaving his home

    he has a lot of money and power so that's a tall order but until that's where we're at with the guy i'm not impressed by "getting under his skin"

    Kentucky went 62.52% for trump in 2016.

    In 2018, all six of its house reps were up for re-election, the 5 Rs held their seats, and the overall vote was 59% republican. (and they get 5 out of 6 seats thank gerrymandering)

    he doesn't need to fear shit because the only way he's leaving office is when he retires

    his low popularity doesn't mean shit, the state may hate him but they hate anyone with a (D) even more

    what does that have to do with anything i said

    I mean what, are you saying people should be assaulting him in the street?
    Because his job is certainly not in danger.

    we think that politicians who harm people should maybe be concerned that people will respond in kind

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  • No-QuarterNo-Quarter Nothing To Fear But Fear ItselfRegistered User regular
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    Yeah if literally anything is getting undone from Trump it would require A) Dem House and Senate and B) a willingness to fuckin fight for it.

    Not a "oh, we will cross the aisle and work together" mealy mouth promise

    That shit doesn't work

    The other side has been actively destroying every part of the government for over a decade and has no interest in anything other than their own power

    You gotta dig in and pick fights and even then shits gonna get messy. The courts are filled with unqualified, bigoted and corrupt judges right now. That ain't something that's gonna get fixed with well wishes and hope.

    This is insipid bullshit. What does this mean in context? Is Bernie going to lecture people into doing what he wants? What will he do when that inevitably fails?
    It means that he will have to pick fights

    Not go OH JEEZ WE COULD DO THIS BUT IT'LL BE HARD SO LETS ACTUALLY TRY A HALF MEASURE FIRST

    Fuckin go for the big swings, fight the right fights and not just the ones that are easy wins

    This country has been broken to such a degree that tiptoeing around trying to not be TOO aggressive about fighting back means you aren't worth anyone's time

    Again, this is all platitudes. It's just bullshit. Can you give me specific concrete examples of what any of that means?

    AOC herself just conceded the likelihood of compromising down to a Public Option, is she the devil now, too?
    If you actually read the article you so excitedly posted to shit on one of the country's most exciting politicians you would see where she says conceding would be a "worst case scenario"

    Not likely

    Not something she wants to do

    But the worst case scenario.

    Acting like that is her giving up and saying she was wrong is hilariously petty

    It's also the most likely scenario given the political realities of the Senate. The worst case is that we get nothing.

    Manchin and Sinema have both have already said they won't back M4A. Neither is going anywhere, and Manchin especially wont give a flying fuck about Sanders trying to bully him. How will you deal with them?

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    No-Quarter wrote: »
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    Yeah if literally anything is getting undone from Trump it would require A) Dem House and Senate and B) a willingness to fuckin fight for it.

    Not a "oh, we will cross the aisle and work together" mealy mouth promise

    That shit doesn't work

    The other side has been actively destroying every part of the government for over a decade and has no interest in anything other than their own power

    You gotta dig in and pick fights and even then shits gonna get messy. The courts are filled with unqualified, bigoted and corrupt judges right now. That ain't something that's gonna get fixed with well wishes and hope.

    This is insipid bullshit. What does this mean in context? Is Bernie going to lecture people into doing what he wants? What will he do when that inevitably fails?
    It means that he will have to pick fights

    Not go OH JEEZ WE COULD DO THIS BUT IT'LL BE HARD SO LETS ACTUALLY TRY A HALF MEASURE FIRST

    Fuckin go for the big swings, fight the right fights and not just the ones that are easy wins

    This country has been broken to such a degree that tiptoeing around trying to not be TOO aggressive about fighting back means you aren't worth anyone's time

    Again, this is all platitudes. It's just bullshit. Can you give me specific concrete examples of what any of that means?

    AOC herself just conceded the likelihood of compromising down to a Public Option, is she the devil now, too?

    I'd rather we aim high and end up somewhere decent than aim at something "reasonable" and end up with barely an improvement. That's kind of the whole Bernie or Warren divide in my mind. I'll be happy with either but I like Bernie's approach better.

    Except that's not what Sanders has been selling, has he? He hasn't been selling compromise, or reasonability. It's been fire-breathing about revolutions and the will of the people. He certainly hasn't addressed political realities. His plan for McConnell is to... hold a rally in Kentucky. I'm sure Mitch will be quaking in his boots.

    And it's certainly not the type of criticism his supporters have levied at other candidates.

    "Warren ABANDONED M4A! *snake emojis*"

    What will be the response from Sanders supporters when he inevitably can't deliver on his singular promise?

    you don't compromise before you start negotiating. that's like. the most basic rule of negotiating

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    edited February 2020
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    SniperGuy wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    No-Quarter wrote: »
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    Yeah if literally anything is getting undone from Trump it would require A) Dem House and Senate and B) a willingness to fuckin fight for it.

    Not a "oh, we will cross the aisle and work together" mealy mouth promise

    That shit doesn't work

    The other side has been actively destroying every part of the government for over a decade and has no interest in anything other than their own power

    You gotta dig in and pick fights and even then shits gonna get messy. The courts are filled with unqualified, bigoted and corrupt judges right now. That ain't something that's gonna get fixed with well wishes and hope.

    This is insipid bullshit. What does this mean in context? Is Bernie going to lecture people into doing what he wants? What will he do when that inevitably fails?
    It means that he will have to pick fights

    Not go OH JEEZ WE COULD DO THIS BUT IT'LL BE HARD SO LETS ACTUALLY TRY A HALF MEASURE FIRST

    Fuckin go for the big swings, fight the right fights and not just the ones that are easy wins

    This country has been broken to such a degree that tiptoeing around trying to not be TOO aggressive about fighting back means you aren't worth anyone's time

    Again, this is all platitudes. It's just bullshit. Can you give me specific concrete examples of what any of that means?

    AOC herself just conceded the likelihood of compromising down to a Public Option, is she the devil now, too?

    I'd rather we aim high and end up somewhere decent than aim at something "reasonable" and end up with barely an improvement. That's kind of the whole Bernie or Warren divide in my mind. I'll be happy with either but I like Bernie's approach better.

    Warren's aiming for the same things!

    I mean her Healthcare thing literally is not though. She's splitting it up, Bernie's going for it all in one go.

    That is literally 'aiming for the same thing'. They both want the same policy implemented!

    The argument as I have seen it made is

    "Warren isn't interested in M4A, I can tell because she wants to implement it in two parts, when I don't think that would work"

    I could as easily use that as an argument as to why Sanders doesn't actually want M4A, you know? Because I think a single vote is unlikely to work.

    But I don't, because that would be counterproductive and silly, since he's worked for years on this and clearly cares about it.

    Like these two people are close allies with the same goal, it is wildly silly to try to pry apart their positions on this just so that it's easier to make a choice in the primary. If either of them wins, the other is immediately a key player in their administration! Because of all the work they keep doing together! On this!

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  • BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Yeah

    Folks should be in Mitch McConnell's face literally any time he goes out in public, yelling at him about the atrocities he has done

    Every Republican that has to leave a restaurant because the back of house won't serve them and the other patrons are yelling at them is a win

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    BlankZoe wrote: »
    Yeah

    Folks should be in Mitch McConnell's face literally any time he goes out in public, yelling at him about the atrocities he has done

    Every Republican that has to leave a restaurant because the back of house won't serve them and the other patrons are yelling at them is a win

    it really says a lot about what people focus on that people stopped doing that

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    Aioua wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    mitch mcconnel shouldn't be grumpy about being called a name

    he should be legitimately and actually afraid of leaving his home

    he has a lot of money and power so that's a tall order but until that's where we're at with the guy i'm not impressed by "getting under his skin"

    Kentucky went 62.52% for trump in 2016.

    In 2018, all six of its house reps were up for re-election, the 5 Rs held their seats, and the overall vote was 59% republican. (and they get 5 out of 6 seats thank gerrymandering)

    he doesn't need to fear shit because the only way he's leaving office is when he retires

    his low popularity doesn't mean shit, the state may hate him but they hate anyone with a (D) even more

    what does that have to do with anything i said

    I mean what, are you saying people should be assaulting him in the street?
    Because his job is certainly not in danger.

    i'd be a lot more impressed with "Someone attacked mitch mcconnell in the street" than "someone called mitch mcconnell a name," yes

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  • AiouaAioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    Aioua wrote: »
    Aioua wrote: »
    mitch mcconnel shouldn't be grumpy about being called a name

    he should be legitimately and actually afraid of leaving his home

    he has a lot of money and power so that's a tall order but until that's where we're at with the guy i'm not impressed by "getting under his skin"

    Kentucky went 62.52% for trump in 2016.

    In 2018, all six of its house reps were up for re-election, the 5 Rs held their seats, and the overall vote was 59% republican. (and they get 5 out of 6 seats thank gerrymandering)

    he doesn't need to fear shit because the only way he's leaving office is when he retires

    his low popularity doesn't mean shit, the state may hate him but they hate anyone with a (D) even more

    what does that have to do with anything i said

    I mean what, are you saying people should be assaulting him in the street?
    Because his job is certainly not in danger.

    we think that politicians who harm people should maybe be concerned that people will respond in kind
    BlankZoe wrote: »
    Yeah

    Folks should be in Mitch McConnell's face literally any time he goes out in public, yelling at him about the atrocities he has done

    Every Republican that has to leave a restaurant because the back of house won't serve them and the other patrons are yelling at them is a win

    ok so

    get on a plane to DC

    go see how that turns out for you

    life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
    fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
    that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
    bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
    No-Quarterspool32EmperorSeth
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