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[Star Wars] so you didn't send the fish Jedi immediately because...?

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  • GiantGeek2020GiantGeek2020 Registered User regular
    I mean, if we assume this is for Mando S3, isn’t it way too early for anything?
    well technically what we could be looking at here is the same actor for both live action and animated. since Filoni runs the whole show we can now have consistency of actor all the time.

  • Bloods EndBloods End Blade of Tyshalle Punch dimensionRegistered User regular
  • ObiFettObiFett Use the Force As You WishRegistered User regular
    I mean, if we assume this is for Mando S3, isn’t it way too early for anything?
    well technically what we could be looking at here is the same actor for both live action and animated. since Filoni runs the whole show we can now have consistency of actor all the time.

    I wish they had done that for Ahsoka. Her voice actor could've done a good job, imo.

  • Atlas in ChainsAtlas in Chains Registered User regular
    Wasn't he already cast, or am I suffering a Mandala Effect/Stroke? I swear we've known for ages that he was Ezra.

  • Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    Shivahn wrote: »
    Bloods End wrote: »
    Also if they are related, you are less likely to have the stupidest kiss in cinematic history. A kiss that managed to piss of everyone, including Rylos, who to be fair, should never have more than disappointment in their lives

    Should've made them step-siblings. Milk that OG Star Wars nostalgia and the modern porn zeitgeist at the same time. What efficiency that would've been.

    I mean, they are cousins.

    Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
  • KetarKetar Come on upstairs we're having a partyRegistered User regular
    Wasn't he already cast, or am I suffering a Mandala Effect/Stroke? I swear we've known for ages that he was Ezra.

    Nope.

  • NightslyrNightslyr Registered User regular
    Wasn't he already cast, or am I suffering a Mandala Effect/Stroke? I swear we've known for ages that he was Ezra.

    Are you smelling toast?

  • OptyOpty Registered User regular
    You're suffering a Snoke, there's a subtle difference

  • Doctor DetroitDoctor Detroit Registered User regular
    Opty wrote: »
    You're suffering a Snoke, there's a subtle difference

    That’s a good thing. Because you may think it’s serious, but it’s really nothing at all.

  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    Opty wrote: »
    You're suffering a Snoke, there's a subtle difference

    That’s a good thing. Because you may think it’s serious, but it’s really nothing at all.

    Easily dealt with misdirected laser surgery

  • Local H JayLocal H Jay Registered User regular
    edited October 2020
    Wrong thread lmao

    Local H Jay on
  • Lord_AsmodeusLord_Asmodeus goeticSobriquet: Here is your magical cryptic riddle-tumour: I AM A TIME MACHINERegistered User regular
    So, someone back some pages mentioned something about the New Order being the Empire 2.0 and nobody caring seeming to match up with modern politics, and I disagree but more importantly, this gives me an idea for something that could have been cool and had even better modern parallels in some ways.

    So, my idea would basically be this. The First Order would still form from disaffected Imperials and their supporters, fleeing to the Rim and beyond to try and rebuild their power. There's still some level of apathy and even under the table support from the New Republic, but the First Order wouldn't be as powerful and the New Republic wouldn't be totally apathetic. Rather, the support for the First Order would seem to be growing in some quarters, and they've recently been showing up with new ships and more troops, becoming more of a threat, and Leia's call to action rather than being ignored is picked up by a diverse group of supporters, many from worlds that had been harmed under the Empire who fear the rise of a true successor. As the drive to arm and fight the First Order grows stronger, there are worrying signs in the New Republic. The supporters of the military are making more strident demands, those who raise objections are accused of being Imperial supporters, and certain individuals seem to be gaining power, influence, and wealth at everyone else's expense. Everything is cloaked in the imagery of the Republic and defending the people's freedoms, even as they are limited as the fight between the New Republic and First Order grows ever wider, becoming a more devastating war instead of a simple police action, much ado is made of the Republic's glorious past and how certain decadent elements, who went unpunished for aiding the oppressors of the Empire, are once again dragging the Republic down and the enemies within need to be dealt with before the enemy without can be faced, and how there will be a new golden age for the New Republic once these enemies, inside and out, are dealt with. With the alarming shift in the New Republic ever more obvious, Leia and her closest allies investigate to discover the root of the corruption, and find that it isn't the supposedly pro-Imperial worlds which prospered under the Empire that are funding the First Order, but elements within the bloc which has declared itself most staunchly for the Republic, politicians who are using the rise of an external enemy to propagandize against their political enemies and remove them from power, and to grant more and more political power to themselves.

    See, it's like poetry, it rhymes :P

    Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if Labor had not first existed. Labor is superior to capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. - Lincoln
  • MancingtomMancingtom Registered User regular
    So.

    Are we ready to discuss the fact that Padmé is a space racist?

    Anakin murdered some Tusken children, committing genocide, and she married him like a week later.

    Anakin murdered some human children, committing genocide, and suddenly it's a problem.

  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Mancingtom wrote: »
    So.

    Are we ready to discuss the fact that Padmé is a space racist?

    Anakin murdered some Tusken children, committing genocide, and she married him like a week later.

    Anakin murdered some human children, committing genocide, and suddenly it's a problem.

    She's royalty. It'd be a surprise if she wasn't.

  • davidsdurionsdavidsdurions Your Trusty Meatshield Panhandle NebraskaRegistered User regular
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  • OrcaOrca Also known as Espressosaurus WrexRegistered User regular
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    As fan theories go, I actually like that one!

  • Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    edited October 2020
    Movie Padme marrying movie Anakin makes zero sense in general for the obvious reasons that Lucas is a) shit at writing romance and b) shit at writing characters. Padme marrying Anakin after the massacre is like... sequel trilogy dumb.

    But Padme marrying Anakin with all the additional material as background makes more sense, if only because they spend much, much more time together than some 20-30 on-screen minutes alone. And as has been pointed out, she is royalty from a very safe, wealthy planet, plus life is pretty cheap in Star Wars and "leave people the fuck alone" seems to be the common attitude. People that would kidnap an innocent farmer and torture her to death isn't going to win points with Padme, especially since the Tusken apparently do that normally and this time they just had the bad luck of picking the mother of an unstable Jedi. She wouldn't be happy about it, but she also didn't even care enough about the entire underwater kingdom populating the massive oceans of her home to go meet their ruler. So there have certainly been less sensible situations in Star Wars.

    Ultimately, though, all of that shit really should have happened after they were married. Palpatine setting up the situation so that the Tusken raiders went after Anakin's mother would've been the perfect wedge to split Anakin from Obi-Wan, Padme, and the Jedi. At worst, Anakin rescues his mother, gets pissed off at Padme, Obi-Wan, and the Jedi for not freeing his mother years earlier, and (justifiably) leaves the Jedi in disgust. At best, Anakin's mother is dead and Anakin goes full Dark Side murder mode, Padme finds out and, horrified, goes to Obi-Wan with it, Obi-Wan confronts Anakin, Anakin has been primed by Palpatine and blows up about it, and then we're into a whole sequence where Anakin is so enraged that, say, he attacks Obi-Wan and Padme is mortally injured trying to intervene. That would also be the prime point for Anakin to just completely lose it and get sliced-and-diced by Obi-Wan at what should be the peak of Anakin's rage and power, showing that Jedi calm and discipline outplay raw Sith power.

    And I mean Anakin actually mortally injures Padme, not just makes her so sad that she dies. Something thematically memorable, like her getting stabbed through the chest the same as Qui-Gon. Having Obi-Wan stay on the level after that and calmly defeat Anakin, without killing him, would further show how much he has developed since Qui-Gon's death, whereas Anakin has fallen further and further away.

    Ninja Snarl P on
  • ShadowenShadowen Snores in the morning LoserdomRegistered User regular
    Alternately Lucas could have come up with a less facepalmy way to kill Anakin's mom in a way that would provoke him to non-borderline-genocidal violence. Zero to "slaughtered an entire village" is not corruption, it's character assassination.

    My rough idea: she's deathly ill, and on this backwater almost lawless world, the Lars family can't afford the medicine, which is controlled by criminal cartels. Anakin goes to talk to the local drug dealer pharmacist and ends up murdering him and taking what he needs, but by the time he gets back Shmi has died anyway. He murdered someone who was an asshole, but it was all for nothing.

  • MancingtomMancingtom Registered User regular
    Honestly, Anakin's arc works a lot better if you ignore Attack of the Clones and go straight from Phantom Menace to Clone Wars.

    They shouldn't have given Anakin a psychotic break in Episode 2 at all. Let him have the visions of Shmi in danger, let him tell Obi-Wan and Yoda about it, and when they tell him the future is always in motion and he should let it go—he listens.

    Later, he and Padmé have to flee from Naboo to Tatooine for the exact same reasons as in Phantom Menace, and that's when Anakin finds out that his mother is already dead.

    That's how you build him into someone who can never let go. He already did, and it sucked. He goes into Episode 3 knowing without doubt that he had the foresight and the power to save his mother, but he let her die because the Jedi told him to.

  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Mancingtom wrote: »
    So.

    Are we ready to discuss the fact that Padmé is a space racist?

    Anakin murdered some Tusken children, committing genocide, and she married him like a week later.

    Anakin murdered some human children, committing genocide, and suddenly it's a problem.

    It's not racism because they are a different species and therefore she can just view their lives as being worth less then other more intelligent species.

    I mean, she's from a planet with gungans for fuck's sake. There's no way she entertains the notion that all species throughout the galaxy are equally worthy of life.

  • Linespider5Linespider5 ALL HAIL KING KILLMONGER Registered User regular
    mRahmani wrote: »
    “Who is Snoke” and “Who are Rey’s parents” are both dumb questions TLJ answered in the best possible way. At least before Abrams got pissy and scribbled in dumb answers over them.

    The movie has plenty of flaws but those two things it got right.

    Reading these two questions next to eachother made my mind suggest a draft of the sequel trilogy where Snoke made Rey. Force clone, escaped experiment, I don’t care. Seal up the two mysteries by making them eachother’s solutions. Give resonance and also add this additional power dynamic between Snoke, Kylo and Rey. Does Kylo know Snoke grew a force clone? Is Rey made from Skywalker DNA? Is Rey Kylo’s clone-sister?

    Why are these options so easy to come up with for a rando on a phone like myself

  • joshgotrojoshgotro Deviled Egg The Land of REAL CHILIRegistered User regular
    Hindsight

  • ShadowenShadowen Snores in the morning LoserdomRegistered User regular
    joshgotro wrote: »
    Hindsight

    Yeah. It's very easy to say "well what you could have done instead was this" and be right about it--witness everyone who's like "I could have written a better prequel trilogy" but are actually saying "If George had let me script doctor the prequel trilogy it would have been better." And in the moment of writing a thing, sometimes a thing seems brilliant, and then you go back after it's out and say "what was I thinking." When you see people's reaction to an idea it becomes much simpler to propose a more palatable take on that same idea.

    Plus I mean, production schedules are a thing. Lucas supposedly had issues with procrastination when he actually sat down to write the prequels, but people have had twenty years to come up with alternate ways of telling the same broad story. And the sequels haven't been out as long but had a rushed production (especially Rise), shaving fully a year off the production time for each movie compared to either the original or prequel trilogy because the shareholders wanted the money they spent to buy Star Wars back. It's almost certainly been longer since Rise came out than it took to write it already, so it's no surprise that some people have come up with better ways to write it.

  • MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    Anyone could write a better prequel than Lucas because I don't think anyone else would have ever considered reducing the Force to a fucking blood test.

    I am in the business of saving lives.
  • MancingtomMancingtom Registered User regular
    MegaMan001 wrote: »
    Anyone could write a better prequel than Lucas because I don't think anyone else would have ever considered reducing the Force to a fucking blood test.

    If you had quantify the Force, I think it's best to take the same approach as Robert Jordan in Wheel of Time.

    For its magic system, Jordan developed 72-tier ranking to determine a magic user's strength—and it never appears in the text. Instead, Jordan's characters treat it more like muscle: some are naturally stronger than others and you can improve through exercise. As in the real world, you always have a general idea how strong a person might be, but it's never exact. Jordan made the ranking for himself and published it for internet grognards like ourselves, but he knew the numbers didn't matter to the story.

    You fawn over 20,000 midicholorians all day, but it doesn't add anything to the statement "Anakin is shockingly powerful." It's like Vegeta and over 9,000; extraneous detail weakens the point.

  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    WHAT, NINE THOUSAND?!?

  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    Not for nothing, I started criticising the Sequel Trilogy real quick after watching each of them.

  • NosfNosf Registered User regular
    Mancingtom wrote: »
    So.

    Are we ready to discuss the fact that Padmé is a space racist?

    Anakin murdered some Tusken children, committing genocide, and she married him like a week later.

    Anakin murdered some human children, committing genocide, and suddenly it's a problem.

    No one gives a shit about the space Taliban or their kids. Do they do anything even remotely decent in the EU or whatever? In the movies they're just shitty fleshy headed mutants with crowbars.

  • MancingtomMancingtom Registered User regular
    Nosf wrote: »
    Mancingtom wrote: »
    So.

    Are we ready to discuss the fact that Padmé is a space racist?

    Anakin murdered some Tusken children, committing genocide, and she married him like a week later.

    Anakin murdered some human children, committing genocide, and suddenly it's a problem.

    No one gives a shit about the space Taliban or their kids. Do they do anything even remotely decent in the EU or whatever? In the movies they're just shitty fleshy headed mutants with crowbars.

    The only decent thing that jumps to mind is taking in Tahiri Veila.

    Her parents were moisture farmers who were mistakenly killed by Tuskens when she was 4. So they took her to make up for it, raised her until Luke recruited her for the Jedi at 9. So....a wash, I guess.

    Also:
    Tahiri was the deuteragonist/eventual love interest for Anakin Solo, and their series was my entry point into the EU.

    Naturally, they killed off Anakin (apparently because they thought people couldn't handle two characters with the same first name) and....had Tahiri turn to the dark side and molest Luke's 13 year-old son.


    And that's why I'm glad Legends got axed.

  • Doctor DetroitDoctor Detroit Registered User regular
    Nosf wrote: »
    Mancingtom wrote: »
    So.

    Are we ready to discuss the fact that Padmé is a space racist?

    Anakin murdered some Tusken children, committing genocide, and she married him like a week later.

    Anakin murdered some human children, committing genocide, and suddenly it's a problem.

    No one gives a shit about the space Taliban or their kids. Do they do anything even remotely decent in the EU or whatever? In the movies they're just shitty fleshy headed mutants with crowbars.

    Darth Krayt enters the chat.

  • Ninja Snarl PNinja Snarl P My helmet is my burden. Ninja Snarl: Gone, but not forgotten.Registered User regular
    edited October 2020
    From the official material, there's no indication that the Tusken Raiders aren't actually human or something. They're totally sentient, but are both (as we see in the Mandalorian) very territorial and entirely reasonable if you bother to talk with them (with a neat silent sign-based language no less). Whatever they actually look like isn't common knowledge because they wear all that protective desert gear; they could all look like supermodels as far as the galaxy at large knows.

    The whole thing with them kidnapping and torturing Anakin's mother just screams that Lucas had no good ideas for that plot point. The Raiders will shoot you and take your stuff if you're in their territory, but what possible reason could they have for kidnapping and torturing a random person? At a minimum, it should've been a ransom thing (which also would've worked far better, since Anakin's mother dying directly as a result of him intervening would mess him up pretty badly). Outside that one event, there's no indication they're at all cruel or love hurting people; heck, they just knock Luke out and start picking through his stuff when they easily could've cut him to pieces right there. It seems like the only really bad thing about them is knowing what the heck they consider their territory in endless miles of featureless desert.

    But again, it's mostly just as an example of Lucas refusing to acknowledge and implement preexisting ideas about the setting and cultures if they didn't come from his own hand. He basically discarded any other notions of Tusken Raiders to wield them as a blunt instrument for another bad piece of writing, which is hardly a surprise for the PT.

    Ninja Snarl P on
  • MancingtomMancingtom Registered User regular
    From the official material, there's no indication that the Tusken Raiders aren't actually human or something. They're totally sentient, but are both (as we see in the Mandalorian) very territorial and entirely reasonable if you bother to talk with them.

    The whole thing with them kidnapping and torturing Anakin's mother just screams that Lucas had no good ideas for that plot point. The Raiders will shoot you and take your stuff if you're in their territory, but what possible reason could they have for kidnapping and torturing a random person? At a minimum, it should've been a ransom thing (which also would've worked far better, since Anakin's mother dying directly as a result of him intervening would mess him up pretty badly).

    But again, it's mostly just as an example of Lucas refusing to acknowledge and implement preexisting ideas about the setting and cultures if they didn't come from his own hand. He basically discarded any other notions of Tusken Raiders to wield them as a blunt instrument for another bad piece of writing, which is hardly a surprise for the PT.

    In KOTOR, it's heavily implied that Tuskens are humans and Tatooine is the lost human homeworld.

  • NosfNosf Registered User regular
    Nosf wrote: »
    Mancingtom wrote: »
    So.

    Are we ready to discuss the fact that Padmé is a space racist?

    Anakin murdered some Tusken children, committing genocide, and she married him like a week later.

    Anakin murdered some human children, committing genocide, and suddenly it's a problem.

    No one gives a shit about the space Taliban or their kids. Do they do anything even remotely decent in the EU or whatever? In the movies they're just shitty fleshy headed mutants with crowbars.

    Darth Krayt enters the chat.

    Ah Darth Gwar wasn't actually a Tusken. There was a comic reveal but later they begged off and suggested that's what Anakin visualized them as.

  • OrcaOrca Also known as Espressosaurus WrexRegistered User regular
    Mancingtom wrote: »
    From the official material, there's no indication that the Tusken Raiders aren't actually human or something. They're totally sentient, but are both (as we see in the Mandalorian) very territorial and entirely reasonable if you bother to talk with them.

    The whole thing with them kidnapping and torturing Anakin's mother just screams that Lucas had no good ideas for that plot point. The Raiders will shoot you and take your stuff if you're in their territory, but what possible reason could they have for kidnapping and torturing a random person? At a minimum, it should've been a ransom thing (which also would've worked far better, since Anakin's mother dying directly as a result of him intervening would mess him up pretty badly).

    But again, it's mostly just as an example of Lucas refusing to acknowledge and implement preexisting ideas about the setting and cultures if they didn't come from his own hand. He basically discarded any other notions of Tusken Raiders to wield them as a blunt instrument for another bad piece of writing, which is hardly a surprise for the PT.

    In KOTOR, it's heavily implied that Tuskens are humans and Tatooine is the lost human homeworld.

    I don't recall that. But certainly that the Tuskens had been around long before the current crop of humans had arrived, and expected to be there long after they had left because there was nothing but sand there.

  • SteelhawkSteelhawk Registered User regular
    Nosf wrote: »
    Nosf wrote: »
    Mancingtom wrote: »
    So.

    Are we ready to discuss the fact that Padmé is a space racist?

    Anakin murdered some Tusken children, committing genocide, and she married him like a week later.

    Anakin murdered some human children, committing genocide, and suddenly it's a problem.

    No one gives a shit about the space Taliban or their kids. Do they do anything even remotely decent in the EU or whatever? In the movies they're just shitty fleshy headed mutants with crowbars.

    Darth Krayt enters the chat.

    Ah Darth Gwar wasn't actually a Tusken. There was a comic reveal but later they begged off and suggested that's what Anakin visualized them as.

    IIRC the fallen Jedi that would eventually become Darth Krayt was a near-human who was adopted into and eventually rose to a leadership position in the Tusken culture.

  • Phoenix-DPhoenix-D Registered User regular
    ...uuh...
    https://www.starwars.com/news/the-lego-star-wars-holiday-special-disney-plus-announce
    This November, The LEGO Star Wars Holiday Special, — which premieres on Life Day, November 17, 2020 on Disney+, — will reunite Rey, Finn, Poe, Chewie, Rose and all your favorite droids, from R2-D2 to BB-8, for a joyous feast on Life Day, the holiday first introduced in 1978’s Star Wars Holiday Special. The new LEGO special is the first to debut on the streaming platform and will continue the rich longtime collaboration between Lucasfilm and the LEGO Group — playful adventures told in an endearingly irreverent way.

  • jothkijothki Registered User regular
    Phoenix-D wrote: »
    ...uuh...
    https://www.starwars.com/news/the-lego-star-wars-holiday-special-disney-plus-announce
    This November, The LEGO Star Wars Holiday Special, — which premieres on Life Day, November 17, 2020 on Disney+, — will reunite Rey, Finn, Poe, Chewie, Rose and all your favorite droids, from R2-D2 to BB-8, for a joyous feast on Life Day, the holiday first introduced in 1978’s Star Wars Holiday Special. The new LEGO special is the first to debut on the streaming platform and will continue the rich longtime collaboration between Lucasfilm and the LEGO Group — playful adventures told in an endearingly irreverent way.

    At least the actual actors won't be forced to deal with it this time?

  • jdarksunjdarksun Struggler VARegistered User regular
    jothki wrote: »
    Phoenix-D wrote: »
    ...uuh...
    https://www.starwars.com/news/the-lego-star-wars-holiday-special-disney-plus-announce
    This November, The LEGO Star Wars Holiday Special, — which premieres on Life Day, November 17, 2020 on Disney+, — will reunite Rey, Finn, Poe, Chewie, Rose and all your favorite droids, from R2-D2 to BB-8, for a joyous feast on Life Day, the holiday first introduced in 1978’s Star Wars Holiday Special. The new LEGO special is the first to debut on the streaming platform and will continue the rich longtime collaboration between Lucasfilm and the LEGO Group — playful adventures told in an endearingly irreverent way.

    At least the actual actors won't be forced to deal with it this time?
    ...John Boyega, Daisy Ridley, and Oscar Isaac lent their voices to Lego Star Wars: The Force Awakens. Kelly Marie Tran is set to voice Rose. They're bringing back Billy Dee Williams and Anthony Daniels. "There will be no escape for The Princess this time."

  • DonnictonDonnicton Registered User regular
    Yeah but is the voice actor for Lumpy coming back or what?

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